Welcome To The NBA’s Nuclear Winter

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HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS – In a matter of hours Monday, the NBA’s labor impasse went from maddening to certifiably ridiculous thanks to raging emotions on both sides of a nasty fight.

What’s that phrase Kobe Bryant uttered a few weeks ago? It’s the same one NBA Commissioner David Stern used yesterday in the aftermath of the union rejecting the league’s proposal for a new collective bargaining agreement and disbanding (read up on the details here), the first step in an anti-trust lawsuit being filed by the trade association formerly known as the union.

“The union decided in its infinite wisdom that the proposal would not be presented to membership,” Stern said. “Obviously, Mr. [union attorney Jeffrey] Kessler got his way and we are about to go into the nuclear winter of the NBA.”

Raise your hand if you’ve had enough of this already.

We spent 137 days waiting for something that could have come July 1. If this affair was going to end up in the courts with one side suing the other, we only wish it had come right away instead of months later, when it seemed the sides might be working their way to an uneasy alliance for the greater good of the game.

Instead, we’re left with the prospect of that aforementioned nuclear winter.

And it’s going to be frigid, because if you thought the name-calling and rhetoric used by Stern and former union executive director Billy Hunter the past 137 days was cold-blooded, wait until we get knee-deep into this new mess (where Kessler and the players’ other attorney, noted anti-trust attorney David Boies take the lead against the league’s attorneys ) …

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Ken Berger of CBSSsports.com: What was described Monday at the Westin Times Square — site of the infamous blowup of talks over the BRI split on Oct. 4 — had the feeling of a pre-ordained act to remove Hunter from power and transform this fiasco from a pointless staredown into the mother of all antitrust lawsuits. As Hunter described, union officials explained the owners’ proposal, which would’ve been replaced by a far worse one if the players didn’t accept it. He then laid out the options: present it to the full body for a vote; reject it; make a counterproposal; or give the NBPA the authority to “do whatever they deem necessary and appropriate going forward,” Hunter said. “And then all of a sudden, the players said, ‘No, we want to talk about decertification or disclaimer,’ ” Hunter said. “So it actually came from the floor. And when it came from the floor, then that’s when we began to engage on the issue.” The players then decided that a disclaimer was the route they wanted to pursue, because, you know, players tend to spend a lot of time sitting around thinking of obscure legal strategies. Hunter said they didn’t want to wait the 45-60 days for a decertification effort to bear fruit with an election authorized by the National Labor Relations Board. The decision to disclaim, announced after the nearly four-hour player meeting, stunned even those agents who had been clamoring for the players to decertify for months. Agents held a conference call late Monday afternoon, and according to a person who was briefed on it, hardly any of them were happy with the path the union chose. Some 200 decertification signatures already collected from players likely will be filed with the NLRB as a backup plan in case the disclaimer strategy doesn’t work, sources familiar with the decert movement said. “This is honestly the last thing I would’ve done,” one moderate agent said of the union’s disclaimer. “I can’t imagine these [players] truly know what they’ve gotten themselves into. … I don’t know an agent, including the decert agents, who are happy with this move.”

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Michael Wilbon of ESPN.com: Players, no matter how strong the union is, can’t stay out forever. If a deal had been reached today, a player who makes $8 million this year, just to pick a number, would make $100,000 a game for the proposed 72-game season, which would factor in a blown $100,000 for the 10-game reduction in the season. That money, to use a now-famous basketball saying, is never walking through that door. Instead, let’s say there’s no basketball until January and the player misses his first paycheck tomorrow, another one on around Dec. 1, another Dec. 15 and another Jan. 1. That’s four paychecks of $667,000 or $2.6 million. So, how do you make that money back? Answer: You don’t. You wave bye-bye to that money so the 14th or 15th man is protected from being sent down to the D-League? Or because the length of a mid-level contract is a year shorter than you feel it should be? Apparently, there are a lot of principled guys in the players’ association. But how long does that hold up? Until January? February? The whole season? And to what end? Haven’t enough NBA players heard NHL players, who recently missed an entire season, say it simply wasn’t worth it? And what about the fact — and I do mean fact — that there are close to double-digit owners who wanted the players to just say no to this deal because they didn’t want the deal, either. Quite a few were willing to accept it, but are breathing a sigh of relief because they think they can squeeze the players tighter in the coming weeks, after a few of those missed paychecks. Thing is, this dispute could really get ugly now, what with legal proceedings and more games missed and more players fleeing to Europe and Asia. Hell, it got ugly last week when players started accusing Michael Jordan of being a hypocrite in these silly and naïve rants that don’t begin to recognize that people don’t and shouldn’t remain the same all of their lives.

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Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated: For the NBA owners and players to shut down their league during the worst economic times in more than 60 years has got to be the dumbest thing they could imagine doing. At a time when so many businesses are fighting for every last dollar, the NBA players and owners are giving back money to their season-ticket holders — their die-hard fans — and saying we don’t want it. Put that money back in your pockets for now, and when we decide to start playing again, think about whether we are worthy of your investment. The priorities and sensibilities of the owners and players exemplify an arrogance that now threatens the future of their business. But the players and owners don’t see it that way. They are too focused on viewing their relationship as a divorce rather than a marriage. Someday the owners and players are going to view this argument the way millions of people around the world view it today. At that time in the distant future, when it will be far too late, everyone involved is going to feel regret for his role in a mess that — given the economic environment and the pessimistic mood of the country — threatens to become worse than the Tim Donaghy scandal, the 2004 brawl in Detroit and the 1998-99 lockout combined. This breakdown was not set off by the union’s legal maneuverings on Monday, and it didn’t happen with commissioner David Stern’s recent ultimatum. It goes beyond the lockout of July 1 or the launching of negotiations more than two years ago. It goes back to when the losses were starting to pile up among the smaller-market franchises, as they realized they were being outspent by the deeper-pocketed teams. If Jerry Buss, Jim Dolan and other big-market owners had been willing to share their revenues earlier and more comprehensively for the greater health of the league, could the division among owners have been headed off? Or look at it from the other side of the owners’ room. If so many of these small-market owners had operated their teams more wisely and efficiently, might the bigger-market teams have been more willing to share money with them on good faith that they were investing in the health of the league? And then could the owners together have not inched forward on a few points of contention here and there in order to ensure agreement with the players?

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Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports: Union officials served the league with a “disclaimer of interest,” officially informing Stern of their plans to disband and become a trade organization. Jeffrey Kessler, who had acted as the union’s lead negotiator, will represent the players in their litigation with the league, along with David Boies, a famed antitrust attorney. Boies worked for the NFL against the players’ antitrust suit this past summer, putting him on opposite sides of that sport’s labor battle with Kessler. Neither Boies, nor Kessler, would commit to the union filing an antitrust suit, saying they are still evaluating their options. Some agents are discussing the separate filing of an antitrust suit against the NBA on behalf of league’s rookie players, sources told Yahoo! Sports. “I would hope that, in the face of a disclaiming union, where there’s no hope of collective bargaining, that the owners would reconsider whether, under these circumstances, it makes sense to continue to boycott,” Boies said. “But I have no idea what [the owners’] strategy is.” The players had agreed to accept a 50-50 revenue split with the owners, provided they resolved some of the system issues that could limit player movement. In several media interviews over the weekend, Stern repeatedly said the owners were done negotiating and that the players must accept the league’s current proposal or risk a worse offer. Union officials said the players at Monday’s meeting voted unanimously to file the disclaimer of interest rather than put the owners’ proposal up for a full membership vote.

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Mark Murphy of the Boston Herald: Glen Davis is, in a word, disgusted. “Sure I am,” the Celtics forward, an impending free agent, said tonight after hearing about the NBPA leadership’s decision to dissolve the union and take the league to court over anti-trust violations. “I’m sitting here at home like everyone else, and I just want to get a job, get a deal done. “It’s just frustrating,” said Davis. “You don’t know what to expect. That’s how things are.” Davis blames the breakdown on macho posturing from both sides in the dispute over a new collective bargaining agreement. The league, its latest offer rejected yesterday by players, has dropped its revenue split offer from an even 50-50 division to a package that would give owners a 53 percent share plus a hard salary cap. Davis just knows the process never should have come to this. “I hope they realize that by throwing their chests out at each other, they’re not going to get this deal done,” he said. “I know when I want to get something, it never works when my chest is sticking out. “It seemed like we just had a couple of issues, and now we have to go to court,” said Davis. “You don’t want to waste that amount of money going to court. But you stick your chest out, and now we are. “If you want to negotiate with us, then don’t make it a pissing contest.” Davis is also upset with the line of communication between the union and the rank and file, though he doesn’t blame player representative Paul Pierce specifically for this meager trickle of information. “I don’t think I’ve been kept in the loop as far as what’s going on and how things are going on,” he said. “I want to be kept in the loop, but when I say that, they say, well, come to the meetings. “It’s not just Paul making that decision,” said Davis. “It’s also Derek (Fisher) and Billy Hunter. I talk to players, but my friends are guys like Paul and (Kevin Garnett) – guys who are in a different stage of their careers.”

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Henry Abbott of ESPN.com: The last time the NBA and the players association met, the meeting ended early Friday morning with an offer from the league. The NBA then sent that offer in writing to every player, and quietly prayed that the union would let the players vote on it, expecting it would pass and the NBA season would begin.  It never happened, however. Instead of putting the decision to 450 players, the union put the decision to 30 player representatives who, the union says, were unanimous in rejecting the deal and taking new legal action.  As soon as that decision was announced, I asked union spokesman Dan Wasserman, who was standing in the back of the room next to attorney Jeffrey Kessler, why the union was turning to the group of 30 representatives.  The union has three player bodies it can consult: The executive committee, the 30 elected representatives and the full membership. Why that middle body?  I was asking what I thought was a fairly boring question. I would have been satisfied with a response about by-laws or somesuch. But Wasserman and Kessler blew up. I couldn’t even finish the question before both were loud, gruff and dismissive.  The gist of the response was that you cannot give your adversary direct access to the membership. “That’s not how any union in America, that I’m aware of, operates,” said Kessler. If the NBA is just going to send offers straight to the players, why even have a union? The idea is that the union is savvier, and knows a good deal when it sees one. And only when the union is sure that the deal is in players’ best interests will they present it to the workers.

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Mike Wise of The Washington Post: I wish we could go into a nuclear winter in which Stern stops yammering about nuclear winters. Come on, David, is this really “a tragedy”? The league, not the players, began this impasse by opting out of the current collective bargaining agreement and declaring a lockout. Stern is of course playing his usual divide-and-conquer game, getting the players to believe he plans to really cancel the entire season tomorrow and deprive 450 men, with only a finite number of years to earn this kind of money, their $2 billion share of the pie. “Players whose last year was this season will have their careers end,” he said, ominously. “What they’ve done is destroyed incredible value.” But what Stern is toying with destroying is worse: a mutually respectful relationship with his business partners going forward. His “take it or leave it” gamble backfired. Instead, the players have counter-punched in for the first time in forever, and the ball is back in the league’s court. “For years owners have treated players as if they are just their property — fining them over how they dress, act, everything,” said Aaron Goodwin, the agent for Kevin Durant and a dozen other NBA players. “This is the first time the players have the opportunity to say no. They feel like they’ve been negotiating against themselves for a month. This is a big moment for the relationship between players and owners from now on.” Whatever happens, I believe we’ll still have a 50- to 60-game season, if not more. This won’t be the nuclear winter of the NBA; no, this Cuban Missile Crisis will be solved so the Dallas Mavericks have a chance to defend. Trust me. I know Stern. He’s bluffing.

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Ailene Voisin of the Sacramento Bee: “It’s pretty clear many of the small-market owners are determined to change the business model and saying they can’t agree to something that will be penny-wise and pound-foolish,” said USC professor David Carter, a longtime sports business expert. “The thing that surprises me … I thought the owners would have been able to persuade players to agree to a 50-50 split. To fans of basketball, that sort of seems equitable. And from a PR standpoint, Commissioner Stern has done a better job getting that message out.” But the thing about Stern is he doesn’t hold the hammer as in the old days. If he was empowered as in the past – with old-time (and now deceased) owners Larry Miller, Bill Davidson and Abe Pollin attached to his side – an agreement would have been reached weeks and possibly months ago. Easy Dave, as he was known, for decades battled fiercely with union leaders Larry Fleisher and Charles Grantham, then charmed his owners into signing the deal. That has all changed. The dynamic today is to divide and conquer, with mean and nasty exchanges the dominant form of conversation, and everyone and their cousin having their say via social media. “The vitriol is somewhat inexplicable,” said Steve Kauffman, a former player agent who now represents Kings coach Paul Westphal and several other coaches and executives. “Even during the 1998-99 work stoppage, it was nothing like this. There just seems to be some kind of high tension between the union and the owners that I haven’t seen before.”

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Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star: Fans have been waiting months to start filing into Conseco Fieldhouse again after the Pacers have been near or at the bottom of the league in attendance in recent years. Now, as University of Chicago senior lecturer Allen R. Sanderson predicts, many could be turning their backs on a league that is coming off one of its most impressive seasons. Many fans are frustrated that billionaire owners and millionaire players cannot come to an agreement to put an end to the lockout, which started July 1. “In addition to owners fighting against players over this and players fighting against owners, they’re also facing a serious risk of a defection of their fan base,” Sanderson said. League officials say the NBA lost an estimated $300 million last season, with 22 of the 30 franchises in the red, a number the players dispute. “My first reaction is disgust,” Tom Miller, Indianapolis, wrote in an email to The Indianapolis Star. “I’m disgusted that a bunch of overpaid athletes who are privileged to be playing a game as their job of choice fail to understand the economic conditions of today’s world. “While they are fighting to protect multi-million dollar guaranteed contracts that can’t be voided even if you fail to do your job, millions of hard-working Americans are being laid off from $40,000-a-year jobs . . . what the average player makes in ONE game.” Stern has not officially canceled any more games, but Sanderson said people can “kiss the season” goodbye if the courts get involved. “I never thought there would be a season,” Sanderson said. “Both sides are dug in, saying they’re willing to sacrifice some money upfront for the prospects of more money down the road. I suspect the owners will likely prevail. Stern’s a good negotiator for his group, and I would expect them to be the ones controlling the situation.”

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Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel: Let’s me say this about the NBA players: Their latest move in the ongoing NBA labor dispute is an admirable one, but not a very smart one. In fact, I have more respect for NBA players right now than I have throughout this cumbersome and contentious negotiating process. At least now the players are showing they stand for something. They are collectively and individually risking something tangible — millions and millions of dollars in annual salary — to stand up and fight against what they feel is an unfair deal that owners are trying shove down their throats. Magic guard J.J. Redick put it bluntly last week when he told me players “have gotten screwed” during these negotiations. If that’s how the players feel then give them credit for standing up for their principles. Dissolving the union and suing the NBA for anti-trust violations is really the only leverage the players have, Redick said. “One of the things that has kind of happened in this negotiation is that the owners have pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed from the beginning,” Redick explained. “This goes back two years when they gave us this proposal that was so Draconian there’s no way in hell we would ever accept something along those lines.  They pushed and pushed.  We haven’t done a whole lot to push back.  This (breaking up the union) is our one bargaining chip.  We don’t have a lot of leverage considering they are the ones writing our checks and they are the ones that dictate whether or not we get to play basketball.” Redick went onto to say that the so-called 50-50 split of basketball-related income the owners are offering is not really what it seems. “50-50 sounds fair,” Redick said, “but, to be honest, it’s really not 50-50. They (owners) are lopping off about $600 million in expenses before we start splitting everything up. It would be like you and I ordering a 12-slice pizza and saying we’re going to split it 50-50. But before we start splitting it, I take four slices and then we split the next eight slices 50-50. So what happens is this: I end up with eight slices and you end up with four. That’s essentially how it (ownership’s 50-50 split) works.”

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98 Comments

  1. The Last Archimedean says:

    This sin’t about the money. 50/50 BRI was settled weeks ago. This is about the owners cutting the legs out from under the AGENTS. They don’t want the agents to have as much power as they do and by putting through the system changes they want it cuts off the agents’ ability to influence things. Players could still go wherever they wanted, they just would have to take a pay cut to go to LA instead of stayijng in Cleveland. Gary Payton and Karl Malone jumped ship to lA and took a pay cut in doing so, nothing would stop the future players from doing the same.

  2. Brandt says:

    There is one upside to this whole lockout though………..LeBron still cant get a ring hahahaha

  3. Robert - Romania says:

    NBA Players are not greedy? Maybe not, but the agents are for sure. I think the agents are the cause for this situation.
    And a noticeable difference between NFL ( which I switched to, by the way) and NBA is that after the decert or whatever, the NFL players sued the owners and asked them to end the lockout. What the “smart” NBPA did? They asked for damages aka MONEY cause this is what they want: more MONEY. Now who’s greedy? Tell me…

    I take no sides, both parties did wrong. Sure they will lose a lot of money in the next period. Sure a lot of fans will forget about basketball. Sure a lot of arenas workers will lose theirs jobs. Hell, if I think for a second, nothing good comes of all this. Stupidity and greed is a powerful combination.

    I feel like the 2011-2012 season is gone!

  4. SheWolvereene says:

    Sure hate it came to this. Hope everything works out because of the stadium workers, the local bars, etc; and every player is not a millionaire.

  5. Kramer says:

    Besides the hardcore fans who like a drug fiend (myself included) will come back and watch no matter what because we need our fix who else is going to watch the NBA anymore. I understand the players are taking a stand and setting the standard for future players but what about the casual fan who started watching the NBA after years of not tuning in. The owners need the fans to watch and the players need the fans to watch to get paid. But what happens if there is no season and people just lose interest and decide to spend there money elsewhere to fill the void? Then when it comes time the NBA is back these people need to make a choice. Stick with my new favourite sport (eg NFL, NHL) that hasn’t hurt me yet or go back to watching the NBA. In these economic times hard financial choices will need to be made and people wont be able to afford both. The longer this goes the more damage it will do to the league and the longer the damage will last. When you have millionaire players asking for more money while people are being put out of a job because they want more money people don’t forget that in a hurry. That leaves a really sour taste in your mouth and you don’t forget that and you also think long and hard before handing over money back to those people. At the end of the day nobody wins.

  6. Pepe says:

    Thanks Stern!!!You made it man!!!!
    Thanks Fisher-Hunter dupla!!!
    You have disbanded the NBA :That means that this collection of idiots and greedy players have to go searching for another job JOb!!!

    Fisher and Hunter for President !!!
    Thanks

  7. dan says:

    i just dont see what leg the players think they have to stand on. they are nothing but employees. dont they understand business? i can understand unoins being relevant when workers had to work 12 hours a day in bad and dangerous conditions, but when players make that kind of money for that kind of ‘work’ i just dont understand. even if the owners made billions profit, so what! theyre the owners and thats the way it is. their attitude is killing the nba as a business, now their fighting for a higher percentage of a much lower bri. hopefully common sense will prevail in the courts, and players will walk away feeling thankfull for what they have, and very remorseful for what they have put us through. shame on them!

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      dan,

      Hopefully they will-BUT DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH WAITING FOR IT TO HAPPEN. MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN INSTEAD-BY BOYCOTTING THE NBA AND SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE THAT WILL REALLY BE WORTHWHILE.THE NBA PLAYERS AND OWNERS DO NOT DESERVE ONE IOTA OF FAN SUPPORT! People have posted comments saying that the NBA IS NO LONGER ABOUT TEAM PLAY;MAKE THE NBA LOSE SOME BIG BUCKS BY WATCHING HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE BASKETBALL INSTEAD.

  8. jazzapeek says:

    well, i believe that the biggest loser of this recent tirade between owners and players is us…THE FANS…THE PAYING PUBLIC…the ones who stand on the line to buy tickets (if you’re not a season ticket holder)…we all love this game, but with the attitude of these two parties…i’m having second thought of watching NBA again

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Jazzapeek,

      IT IS GOOD THAT YOU ARE HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE NBA. MAYBE PLAYING sports instead of watching them is what you should consider trying. We need more people RIGHT NOW SAYING “NO MORE!” TO GREEDY ATHLETES AND TEAM OWNERS TREATING THE FANS AS AFTERTHOUGHTS; THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE ARENAS ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BOOK CONCERTS, ICE SHOWS AND HOCKEY GAMES(WHERE APPLICABLE) TO KEEP THE MONEY COMING INTO THE CITIES AND BUSINESSES NEAR THE ARENAS AND LOCK THE NBA OUT OF THOSE ARENAS AFTER EVERY WORK STOPPAGE AND MAKE THE PLAYERS, OWNERS AND COMMISSIONER DAVID STERN AND HIS MINIONS LOOK LIKE GARBAGE EVERY TIME THERE’S A LOCKOUT OR STRIKE!

  9. Andy says:

    The NBA gets what it deserves. When the NBA decided their best marketing stratagy was marketing players and not teams. Did they not realise what would come of this, enormous egoed players who now feel they are bigger than the league. The players are just acting how they have been programmed to act. It’s not the Lakers, it Kobe’s Lakers. It’s not the Celtics, it’s Paul Peirce’s celtics, and on, and on….
    It takes more than a player( or 3) to win a championship, it takes a team.
    Unfortunatly in the end it will take a blown up season for the NBA to right itself.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      You’re right,Andy-IT DOES TAKE A TEAM TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!Watch high school or college basketrball and keep doing that until the NBA gets its act together;THE PLAYERS ON THOSE TEAMS WON’T QUIT ON YOU! Also read my posts for suggestions as to what other activities are available for casual fans to enjoy that will cost A LOT LESS THAN THAT WHAT IT COSTS FOR TICKETS TO AN NBA GAME!

  10. watcher says:

    Why decertify now and not 4 months ago?
    Why did the 30 player reps unanimously reject the deal without even presenting it to the rank and file members?
    Why, after heeding the (alleged) wisdom of player agents for the past 140 odd days, would the players fly in the face of all known logic, and choose this path?
    Why would anyone inflict such damage to their public standing over ‘principles’ that are entirely financial in nature?
    (and yes, that includes the restricted FA movement to luxury tax teams clause)
    How could so many, with so much and so much to lose, have it so very wrong?
    Why, why, why????

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      The players SHOULD BE UNDERPAID PEONS WORKING FOR PEANUTS!ESPECIALLY THE PLAYERS WHO ARE SITTING ON THE BENCH! UNDERPAY THE PLAYERS! CASUAL FANS CAN DO LOTS OF THINGS AND SPEND THEIR MONEY AWAY FROM THE NBA-AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO! Here are a few suggestions for casual fanswho want to spend their money on something other than NBA GAME TICKETS OR MERCHANDISE:

      1.Organize groups to go Christmas Caroling between now and Dec. 24 & 25;
      2.Visit restaurants and sports bars while doing so, to give these businesses some much needed money;
      3.Befriend arena employees(maybe take them out for lunch, coffee,etc., to let them know they are NOT alone.

  11. TS says:

    Is there any way to give NHL players a basketball, and turn the goals into rims? It’d be fine if they kept the ice and skates, but we seriously need some kind of pro-basketball.

  12. tom B says:

    Mr Hunter
    You got your wish.
    You will make more money then your Players.
    You ruinned the NBA.

  13. tom B says:

    Players
    You can file for unemployment
    I think you can get 300.00 a week for 26 wks.

  14. R4 says:

    In the last 30 years LA and Boston have won 14 championship out of possible 30. Both team have begin involve in 18 finals. This isn’t a competitive sports its really the Boys only club. where if you not in a big market your chance are slim to none.

    Being a Raptors fan gettting no love from reporters on anything to do with our team is sad and I hope this competitive balance does come to light. It’s funny how Raptors make more money than 30 teams in the NBA but are regarded as bad place to play. I guess NBA loves our money but doesn’t love the product we show on the court. We as fan deserve a chance to win not just be a good business plan for the NBA becasue when fans ask for Toronto to be contract is sadden me because It’s not thier fault they have not begin educated it the job of the sport reporters to have the ablity to inform them of the importance of Toronto Raptors to NBA because we are 10 best money making team in the NBA not Orlando or Altanta can even compete and they have winning season. Tell Bayless before he open his mouth again to at least learn how to read. Contract team that are losing money not the ones that are making money.

  15. omar says:

    i hope they cancel this seasoss

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  17. jj says:

    When the players decide that they’re ready to play again, they need to know that we won’t be ready to pay again.

  18. Leigh Taylor says:

    I don’t support either side because frankly they got what they deserved. NBA players and owners earn obscene sums of money compared to me, I just about cover rent, bills and food each month and these rich people can’t accept a pay cut? YOU’RE RICH YOU GREEDY EXPLETIVES! If I had to accept a pay cut as big as yours yes it would cause untold harm, but I don’t earn millions of dallars a year, I earn approximately $36000 a year. Try living on my wages. Don’t get me wrong I love ball, I’m a staunch Bulls fan, but come on people, this is ugly, rude and obscene to those of us who have had to make sacrifices. I used to live comfortably, run a nice nissan truck, take regular trips to see friends around the country, odd trips overseas now and again, but now I’ve had to sell my truck to save money, no more foreign holidays and i’ve had to really cut back on trips to see friends. I now use the train, my push bike or good old fashion walk where i need to go. I now HAVE to use the internet to keep in touch with my friends far away. As for going out and enjoying myself, buying nice new clothes and the odd trip to a ball game all these things have had to go, I’m not happy about it, but it needed to be done, I had to step up to the plate, man up, be professional. So, NBA owners and players stop being petulant sort it out and play ball godamit, or all those folks that pay their hard earned wedge to buy season tickets, or turn up on game night when they can afford it will leave you guys out in the cold and you will only have yourselves to blame. It would do you all good to remember who pays your wages, because if we didn’t buy our tickets or replica vests where would you be? You have all dropped in my estimation ALL OF YOU, yeah including the Bulls. You are supposed to be professionals, well this ain’t professional boys. Fix it, because right now YOU SUCK, I ain’t happy about it, but it needs to be done, step up to the plate, man up, BE PROFESSIONAL. A very disgruntled UK Bulls fan.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Leigh Taylor,

      WAY TO TELL THEM OFF! A BOYCOTT IS IN ORDER HERE TO TELL ALL THESE GREEDY S.O.B.’S WHERE TO GO! Not the people who have either lost their jobs or are about to-go easy on them.Ditto for the restaurant and sports bar owners-and their employees. IT’S TIME FOR A REVERSE LOCKOUT,PEOPLE, OF THE NBA! THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE ARENAS SHOULD BOOK CIRCUS PERFORMANCES, CONCERTS,ICE SHOWS AND HOCKEY GAMES TO KEEP PEOPLE EMPLOYED(especially those I’ve named who need the money coming into their establishments that such events would bring into the cities where NBA plays its games)!

  19. Gree Dy says:

    Just shutdown the season and lets see how far this group of greedy and overpaid arrogant players can go!! In a real word,owners are the ones paying their employees and taking all the risk with their investment..I just couldnt believe it!! These arrogant & selFISH players led by their pres. derek selFisher cant accept the deal..they’re still making MILLIONS of money by just throwing balls in the hoops and they’re still asking for more!!! GRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDY and SELFISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “NBA doesn’t CARES !!” ( to us the fans ) …”NBA,where GREEDDINESS of overpaid,dumb players happen!”

  20. Tony says:

    Somehow Stern’s manner of addressing the players seem condescending. Always making threats and ultimatums and then having the nerve to say that they were not untimatums. If you say that there will be no more discussion why be surprised when the person react as though the discussion is over?

  21. rich says:

    It’s true that some owners one way or the other would still profit. But some owners as well are merely thinking of earning this time around or minimizing the risk of loss in the 6-10 ten years. Now the players are only thinking of not losing too much for an already bloated salaries !
    Owners are thinking of hard cap to possibly balance the strength of teams within the league. Players are thinking of no-hard-cap so they can earn as much as they want – again greedy players !
    Without NBA, the stagerring losses for everybody’s involved outside players and owners, are hundreds of millions for cities and billions collectively. Who should rightly sacrifice for this, the owners who are losing and not earning much because of the broken system or the players who have to merely take a salary reduction from the millions that they are earning.
    IN THIS ECONOMY, sorry players, you don’t get my vote.

  22. Buck says:

    This whole thing is an attempt by the small market owners to make sure that the Lebron’s and Carmello’s can’t play out their first contract and bolt to a team that can pay more good players more money to try to buy a championship. You can thank the Miami Heat and “the Decision” for what is happening now. It is very apparent that competitive balance is the key issue for the owners and the reason why bums are getting paid so much. The big market teams in glamour cities can afford to spend/overspend trying to buy a championship team. What hope does the owner from Cleveland or Minnesota or Sacramento or Portland have to compete? Easy, overpaying for the “best available” free agents just to put butts in the stands. The key point to this agreement for the players is not the BRI, but the ability to pick where they want to play and still be grossly overpaid. The owners are offering the ability to go play wherever you want, but the trade off is a smaller contract. The players can’t have it both ways and soon they will learn when there is a hard cap in place, a 53/47 BRI split and NON-guaranteed contracts. I sure hope the hard-line owners stay that way so someone besides the Celts, Lakers, Bulls, spurs, Heat & Pistons have the opportunity to win a championship in my lifetime.

  23. Joe Jack says:

    The NBA Sucks anyway just a whole bunch of millionare and billionare crybabies, NCAA and High School is where real ball is played. Just cancel the season, in fact do the rest of us sports fans a favor and just shut down completely.

  24. GREEDY OWNERS says:

    Its simple, players had 57% and have dropped down over 1 BILLION, to all of you who say the owners are right.
    Greedy owners don’t want the game to happen, kiss goodbye to these NBA teams, players should develop a new league and tell the greatest dictator of all Mr. Stern to go have coffee and retire.

    If you had your salary cut and had to give over 1 Billion to dictators and had to live under a regime that treats you as a slave for 10 years you would fight too.

    It is about time this happens, Mr. Stern thought he had the players under his wings, well, the OLD regime is over! I pay to see the stars play, and not to see Mr. Stern continue hunting and punishing players as slaves. Players are not responsible for the bad management by the owners, they should have know, they chose to pay millions, it is the owners fault. If you don’t have any dogs you better start hunting with cats, and some owners just can’t afford dogs, so live with it! Look at Memphis and Oklahoma. Stupid managers, shouldn’t have bought the team you can’t run it.

    Players stand up and fight for your rights, too long you have been living under this regime, it is time to break loose and be the master of your own puppets.

    • rich says:

      You cannot use the 57-43 split as the base because it is a broken system. Only players benefit from this big time and some owners even loss their money.
      The no hard cap is also a broken system the the owners are trying to eliminate. This approach by the owners may mask the idea that they just want not to pay more. But this also is a very good reason to give other teams the opportunity to compete.

  25. chris says:

    basketball never stops???? well it has and im never coming back… ex fan

  26. josh says:

    allof you can you just be quiet about the lockout everyone in this world is greedy -__-
    if you love nba basketball just hope that the lockout will end but dont bs and say that you arent gonna watch basketball if youre serious about your offer youre just as pathetic as the players or owners
    forgive and forget because we are all people that always want the cash -.-

  27. Dalton says:

    In defence of the Players, I unequovically agree with their stance. In a world of the demand/supply equilibrium, they are asking for what is just. The league makes billions of dollars on the backs of these incredibly talented players and like almost every other retail outfit, the markup on cost is 100 %, right? If owners expenses are covered then what is the big deal with owners giving the players (450 of them) a 53% deal in their favor as an incentive to grow and maintain a profitable business, afterall, if there is no product there cant be any sale. The owners ‘occupy everything’ approach is draconian in my humble beliefs. Mom and pops shop know that they cannot compete with super chains, as a result they spend their shoestring budget wisely on products that will yield the highest return, they do not spend of poor quality products and expect to keep a business running successfully. The owners need to look internally first, before making an attempt of strongarming the players with their limited shelf lives. My only disdain with the players is that like everyone else supporting them, I too, hoped they would have done this some time ago and spear the individuals and entities that are without a voice in all this. As a morally conscious individual, I hope to see a deal done b4 this goes before the courts, because God knows we are in a rough economy and my heart bleeds for those who are jobless as a result of this.

  28. Rick says:

    they both are at fault, both have equally contributed to this problem. i cant really say one is more than the other because if both sides would have just given up a little then the deal would be done. fault either one all you want, you just got to realize both are the problem. yeah the players make more than enough playing a game that many people actually pay to play and no reasonable business would give half their revenues to the employees, but then again the owners are charging ridiculous prices for tickets to the games, merchandise and this that and the other thing. its not like they had any shortage of money coming in, i dont care what team it is, they all have their endorsement deals of some sort with tv companiies or other businesses. either way in the recession we are in they were not losing money, they were making a ton on both sides so instead of fighting blaming one side or the other realize its both their faults and blame both :)

  29. Greg says:

    All are spoiled individuals who have closed their doors on the fan base and only care about money. Period. The “negotiations” proved it. I think they owners should fire every freaking player and hire those who really want to play the game. They get 100s of thousands dollars per GAME! and make in one season more than families put together make in their life time. I hope everyone gets what the deserve, which is a big, fat 0. They are the 1 percent of the population we are the 99. The owners build their amazing arenas with our tax money, not theirs. So hell with the owners, hell with the players. I think we should be the ones locking out them. Stop buying their merchandise, stop buying the tickets (which are insane, $150 for nosebleed section? are u kidding me?) And until they truly apologize for what they’ve done to us the fans, not even turn on an NBA game. See who wins then.

  30. Tony says:

    technical error – continued

    driven by corporate greed. In my opinion, the owners are trying to turn the NBA into the Walmart model without the Walmart low prices. :)

  31. bjn72 says:

    the company i work for is a sponsor for a nba team. will my company get back some of the money that they put out to be a sponosr of this nba team, more then likely not. not only are the fans that like basketball getting screwed with this whole mess, but the people that work in the stadioms arent getting paid, all the resutrants are losing money because no games = less people coming in to eat. these owners and players arent thinking of the little people, they are only thinking about themselves and all the millions they make.
    president obama you are such a basketball fan,, how about a beer sumit with the owners and player. maybe play a little ball with them and who ever wins, gets what they ask for. that is the answer.

  32. J. Pla says:

    I truly believe that the pressure from the players agents are the main factor here.Remember this are the guys (agent ) that take a % of the players salary( the parasites) and the greedy of some stars.They don’t respect anybody period!

  33. Tony says:

    I support the players 100% just I support every person who has been underpaid or had his/her salary/benefit/job cut mostly for the further enrichment of corporate executives. At he time when Citibank was cutting 30k+ jobs in 2008, its CEO’s compensation was over $38M. That was just one example of several that has transpired since the summer of 2008 almost all of it

  34. Airball says:

    I am traveling from Europe to NYC end of this month. One of the reason was to go to MSG to watch a game with my son :-(. Anyway, if the season is screwed, will it impact the US team for the coming olympic games ? Other countries (where players are often very far from making so much money) are not on strike and will be better prepared, isn’t it ?

  35. Raw Deal says:

    Would’ve been a bad deal but in this economy the players could have endeared themselves to the fans if they just GET BACK TO PLAYING!! People are taking raw deals all over the place right now. Can you risk STICKING it to the owners all the while hoping the fans will come back?… GOOD LUCK. You guys just killed the golden goose and I hope 10 teams fold up that 170 lost jobs. that kill the season length so it’s lost checks and revenue and say good bye to endorsement deals losers…. I not buying SQUAT with an NBA logo for a loooooooooooooooooonnnnnnggg time!

  36. Tom says:

    In this economy, this squabble among multi-millionaires is the height of absurdity. That money I might have spent on watching grown men in shorts throw a ball through a hoop? I’m going to donate it to a local food bank instead.

  37. Nonya says:

    Wow look at the slave minded people here. “The players should just do their job!!” Hmm, lets translate that shall we?

    “The Players should just do their job”

    Translation = “If we as people must live as slaves to the system so should you. we can’t change how our every day goes so why should you?” Sekou please make sure they understand they are saying it in a whiny voice.

    “The owners and players are greedy bastards.”

    Translation= We do not understand business for the life of me and live in fairy tale land and see how reality really is. We should be holding hands and singing Kumbaya lighting essences and praying when our enemy gets closer to us. No we should not learn about work and labor laws we have everyday that we intentionally ignore cause we have fear of being targeted if we do or we are just plain lazy.

    “What about us the fans?”

    Answer: What about you? oops I mean

    Translation: What about the income that is easily brought back through PR campaigns and apologize games. After which re gain all the stubborn fans and feed people the sympathy cards and watch how easily they fall for it when we air these broadcast when times are hard and bordem takes in.

    “I need the NBA this is unfair for fans”

    Answer: You don’t matter you can be gained back and on top see above. oops

    Translation: I am more than likely a overweight, low confidences having, cheesy etc, etc playing NBA 2k12 who isn’t doing anything with myself and complaining about the NBA who doesn’t care about me in any fashion and I know this but I am to weak of a person to do anything with myself.

    “Greedy”

    Didn’t I just address you and aren’t you being a hypocritical? Last I checked, millions or not most of the world is greedy. Anyway I see why this country is messed up, people are clear idiots. take this energy to politics and let these cats do their business and make their mistakes.

    • celtheartbroke says:

      Wow your post takes a shot at everybody.
      I’m not a lazy chesse ball eating couch potato.
      I own my own business so I think I understand business thank you for your enlightnement.
      I not hypocrtical I love this game but hate the greed on both sides, so I will stop contributing by no longer buying season tickets, what are you going to do?? Mr I’m smarter than the rest of us stupid people, get over yourself please.

    • killin it says:

      wow I never thought sarcasm could be so stupid..
      A) comparing a pay cut to slavery is stupid, fighting a 14% pay cut, when you earn millions? in order to keep the business more sustainable for years to come, in an economic climate that is dire for the best part? That shows that only one year of tertiary education doesn’t really cut it.

      B) Business knowledge? entrepeneurs and other companies buy out fledgling businesses, in this case NBA franchises and make drastic structural changes in order to make the business more profitable. There is no law that prevents a business from inducing a pay cut once the term of the previous contract has finish, after all this is what this lockout is about. it isn’t a dispute over changes made to the current CBA, this is the dispute over the CBA that has yet to be introduced.

      C) there is a big difference between normal greed and stupid greed. You can be greedy and be wise, heck there are plenty of frugal people who can strecth 50 cents to ridiculous lengths. Stupid greed is when you are willing to sacrifice a financially secure future, in order to make a quick current buck. look at latrell sprewell, that idiot turned down his 4 year 12 mill contract, by saying how am I supposed to feed my kids with this? well I wonder what income he’s feeding his kids with now NO teams in the NBA wanted him after his stint with minnesota.

      D) For someone who by self confession knows all about business, you neglect to consider the difference between what these players think they are worth, and reality. Fact is they are replaceable, when I last checked every draft year has someone with ridiculous potential or hype. So yes players like Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Michael Jordan(yes I said it) are replaceable, that is the nature of the entertainment business, it’s fickle as f*ck, you don’t like it? that’s your problem.

      I really don’t the hypocracy of you posting this useless rant, calling everyone else cheeseballs, when the time taken to write your post displays you as no different from the rest of us…

      • Gary says:

        You were making a good argument until you said stretch 50 cents to ridiculous lengths.

        And just for the sake of argument, the players shouldn’t just bent over backwards and take whatever pay cut the owners want. That’s bad business. Plus have you seen some of the other terms of these proposals? Look up the D-League clause and tell me if that’s something you would accept.

    • Gary says:

      WOW you get it! I really mean that. People are on here complaining like the NBA did something to them personally. It’s just a game and this coming from a diehard fan, but I’m mature enough to understand that these things happen. My life does not revolve around these guys playing and neither should yours. Just find something else to do or watch!

      • killin it says:

        Gary, I acknowledge there is a difference between the d-league and the NBA. And yes standing by your principles seems like a just cause, but that argument was thrown out of the window, since everyone knows the current system in the NBA is unhealthy for the longterm.

        People also bring up the fact that teams like sacramento, SA, and detroit have all won or come close to championships. Need I remind you that sacramento was a good team on the previous CBA not the one that has just been, SA’s market is decent, if you look at the perspective that texas’ domestic economy hasn’t been as hard hit as detroit’s, and I never saw tim duncan leaving or any of the SA 5 leaving that team on their free will unless it’s due to retirement and detroit WERE good..

        People also mention that NBA players are the “product”; they’re not, they can’t be, a product is something you consume, it is tangible. So unless I have a cotton farm(I don’t and I’m black) I’m not going to buy a human being. NBA players provide a service, they entertain. Never have I gone to a strip club, slipped the dancer a 50 and taken her home so she can dance on a pole at my house. The tickets you buy to go and see them play, the ludicrously overpriced soda you buy at quarter time, the singlets you dish out 70 bucks for, they’re products, products that owners are responsible for, they own the intellectual rights to the jerseys, they own and supply the postmix liquid for your soda, they also own and maintain the seats you plant your arse on when you go to see them.

        As I mentioned earlier, there are no team sports where the players are above the game, sure people go to see the players play, but it could just as easily be joe, larry and bob instead of kobe, dwayne and dwight. Showbiz is a fickle business, so it never hurts to be financially wise,

        if the players are going to complain about an insecure future, when they are able make more in a year than most in a lifetime, in todays economic climate, where owning a house in the US costs less than buying a car in Australia. Then they need to all get on the phone to a lawyer and set up a trust fund, so they don’t blow it all(difference between wise greed better known as frugality and stupid greed better known as blowing your money on useless crap)..

        They shouldn’t complain about a pay cut that ensures they could still have a job in a couple of years..

  38. Jabari says:

    I’m with the owners on this one. The players were spoiled way too much with the prior agreement. This really has become a pride war.

  39. HadEnough says:

    There is a cancer that has been growing in the NBA that has come fully mature now. The economy is terrible. Teams aren’t worth what they use to be. Not only are the owners taking risk and losing money yearly, but in their investment. Owners were content to loose some money if they new the value of the team was increasing, but it isn’t now. MJ once said, “If you can’t make a profit then sell the team”. Well, I think there are a number of owners who would like to do just that, but no one wants them. Look at the Hornets. My 2 cents is, I think the players are going to learn a lesson they need, when the dust settles.

  40. rav says:

    dereck fisher (money hungry attention feen) is a chump and needs to get beat up… hes the face of everything thats wrong with sports. stop crying on what u dont get paid and be happy for what u do get piad. To be honest we should go on strick againts the players who are involved in this stupid fight. we are the fans that pay your checks becuase we enjoy watching the game, leave the dramma to the WE channel. hopefully the selffish players remember that its about the fans not there beantlys and bmws and 100 million dollar homes. if you cant afford THEN DONT BUY IT. and im just a regualr guy , but i see the owners point of view… its a business and you work for them. deal with it . if i buy a restruant and my sheff is the best ever i might go 50/50 with him since he help me blow up but never more ITS MY BUSINESS…. GROW up players and do your job ……………..PLAY BALL

  41. Alisadunk says:

    Lets watch NCAA, now days they dunk just as often as NBA players do. The rest is just marketing. :)

  42. Osman Aga says:

    One thing people saying employees are not entitled to 50% have tp realize is that players were getting paid 57% before that.. Of course its a huge ammount but lets realize that its the way it is in professional sports. Its like that in all of entertaiment buisness.. Actors , musicians etc. and what the owners are doing is reducing player salaries by 14%… I bet anyone commenting here , if their salaries were to drop by 14% they would fight it

    • Gary says:

      Thank you. All these people against the players act like they themselves are so generous. They talk about how these guys don’t love the game and are only playing for the money…well duh! They made a choice to play ball as a CAREER move, and the plus side is they make millions doing something they like or love. Why don’t all of you just quit or work for less if you love your jobs so much?

  43. tom B says:

    Today what went in NBA shows how all sports have become.
    Nothing more then money .
    My fans mean nothing just a big fat pay check.
    We have players in all sports wont give the time of day to the people who paid there hard earn money to see them.
    We all need a wake up call on what we are paying for.
    And that is not much.

  44. Swiss boy says:

    I m a swiss nba’s fan. It’s a shame that players don’t signed the agreement with owners. Players must understand that without money their owners can’t pay their salary. And without money, no team and….. no players.
    and what about players with little salary or journey men. In europe, some us players can’t not find a team because some nba’s payers are taking their place. They should think about it !
    Earning less money is always better than earning nothing.
    What a pity !
    Best regards
    Alain

  45. Jimbo99 says:

    Players are bold? Yeah sure but don’t forget the word dumb. They let Hunter, the agents, Union Officials and Kessler do all the macho talking but all of these people have x-agendas. Union and agents of course wants arger money because they get a percentage of it so the bigger the merrier. Kessler on the other hand have always wanted to go to courts because when they are in court, it’s money time for lawyers.

    Smartest thing they should have done is let the rank and file vote. If the players do not agree then fine, go chase for more money but if they agree then you’ve weeded out the real cause of this mess, the Union leaders.

    Dumb. You should read the tweets of some players though this morning…shows their true character in this whole thing. Disgusting. This is my last time to go to NBA.com

  46. angel says:

    Well done guys!!
    Keep fighting!!
    Don’t let those greedy bastards take all your rights!

  47. Josephslive says:

    I’m with @Mert I also support the owners they do more than the players

  48. NBAEurope says:

    I invite all of you guys to come to NBAEurope. We got plenty of NBAstars (Lawson, Weems, D-Will, Ibaka, Rudy, Farmar,…) and just awaiting Superstars to arrive after Christmas (Gasols, Durant, Nowitzki, Ginobili, Bryant…). Come and enjoy with us cause this is gonna be a hell of the Euroleague, the one we´ve never seen. The biggest thing is that nobody sees the end of it, since there s a real war between 2 lock-out-sides. Here s a small video how Ibaka spends in Real Madrid practicing his biceps with Rudy Fernandez:

    http://kosarka.org/main.asp?dir=video&vid=1463

  49. moneymike says:

    its a privilege to play in any professional sports and they just take it for granted. they take the fans and owners for granted.

  50. moneymike says:

    disgusted

  51. moneymike says:

    i hope they cancel the NBA for good. over paid m0th3rfuc&ers.

  52. moneymike says:

    god damn players and agent and all those who represent them. well thank god for football and hockey. i don’t need this crap. greedy greedy greedy, who the hell do these players and agents think they are.

  53. John says:

    Like I ******* said in the first place, I wish you guys would’ve just agreed to the proposal in the******* 1st place so that we wouldn’t be having this same dilemna still. This has been going on for a **** four months. Just STOP being greedy and just play basketball like you guys were mean’t to do in the 1st place. This **** ***** would NOT be going on forever if it wasn’t for you *******! It’s ******** stupid! Your all just a whole bunch of drained out ****** ********* that don’t know how to use life like it should be!!!!!!!!!!! Just PLAY BALL, you ***** pussies!

  54. celtheartbroke says:

    Shame on all of you.
    I’m a season ticket holder, and have supported this game since I was a child, my father took me and I grew up loving the game, and the players who thrilled me for years.
    I WILL NOT support your greed anymore, and I hope others will stand tough with me.
    I spend thousands of dollars a year on this game, and work hard for my money, but I always thought the game was worth it.
    No longer, the greed both side, but more the players have exhibited break my heart.
    I enjoy taking nephews, and nieces to games, I will not anymore, it was wrong all on sides of the bargining table to forget who pays your salaries, and buys your shirts, and I can not get my money back for this year, or next as I am locked in, and I promise no more, I will sell the tickets I have when the game comes back, but I will not spend more money on such selfish, and arrogent people anymore. You made this desicion, and someday you will all pay for your greed, I truly hope you understand what you have done to the loyal fans who have supported you for years, SHAME ON YOU.

  55. This blows, but I back up the players 100%. I also believe that there is still a chance to save the season if Stern wises up and schedules another bargaining session. All he has to to is pick up the phone and call Billy Hunter.

    END THE LOCKOUT!!!!

  56. Marco says:

    I’m an italian NBA fan.
    We had the same problem in our football league and it has been solved in a week..
    In this crucial and difficult economic situation i really don’t understand the players position: what they wish to obtain??
    The world is going worst.. and they reject any proposal?
    They are crazy. Nobody has the possibility to discuss with the owner like they have,
    Nobody in a real work. They lived in a dream until today, now it’s right they came down to earth.

    • R4 says:

      You are totally right my friend. I remember that strike in Football it took one full week and now look at all the team losing like AC Milan and Inter Milan they need to clean up their act. Players make too much money in recession and for them to say they came down far enough is ludacris because no business in this world does anyone get more than 50 / 50 from their employer. If so I need someont to tell where do I sign up?

      Let’s be honest in the last 30 years of the sport only 8 teams had the opportunity to win the chip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions… The bread is in the pudding. NBA needs a balance in the opportunity for glory. Too many times in the beginning of the year people predict teams to compete and majority of the time they are correct. They now need to take the predictable fact out of NBA and have reporters working double on every team not just the big market team.. if you don’t believe google it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions

  57. KINGJAMESBALLIN says:

    Sekou,

    I’ll see you at the Lakers game next week. I’ll be in the 2nd row next to the court behind Mike Brown. I was hoping I could do a podcast with you during halftime and discuss which team the Mavs should play on Christmas day.

    Thanks

  58. JPFno2 says:

    I am disgusted. Will you finally just play basketball again and stop “negotiating”?

  59. Ex-NBA Fan says:

    NBA took a BIG dump on its fans.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      BOYCOTT THE NBA!DON’T BOYCOTT THE RESTAURANTS, SPORTS BARS AND SPORTS ARENAS THAT NEED THE CASH COMING IN TO STAY ON SECURE FINANCIAL FOOTING. THOSE PEOPLE NEED THE INCOME AS BADLY AS YOU DO. INSTEAD TELL COMMISSIONER DAVID STERN THAT YOU WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT THE NBA IF THERE ARE ANY MORE STUPID LOCKOUTS OR STRIKES!

  60. NBA Ban it says:

    GREED!! is what all this comes down too. I hope they cancel this season!

    • Kris says:

      Sure it is GREED by both sides, more by players than Owners.

      If this has to go on public opion, or public vote, lot of them will vote for owners, since they are investing money, taking risks, so they should make more profits to be in business to support themselves and in future.

      Players, it is easy for Owners to find more players and rookies and turn them into stars and super stars in a year or two, but it is difficult for you to find another league and many owners who will agree with you.

      So be wise, take it or loose it. I sure miss basketball, but I will have little respect for you all to having bringing the situation to this. You all could have stopped negotiating long back and done this six months ago so by now courts would have made their decision,

      I am not sure if you find anyone in the Jury that will side with you players in this economy.

  61. Nick says:

    Disgusting from both players and owners but i believe particular blame is on the players. Why do they keep saying they are ‘giving up this and that’ and they they ‘are losing millions’? Why can’t they focus on what they have got instead of what they are ‘giving up’? What they do have is a job they love, earning millions and millions of dollars to essentially run around throwing a ball into a basket… Those in the union who are stopping a deal being done are a joke and are greedy and selfish.

  62. George G. says:

    I read all the articles. I am a bit confused about this situation. I think both sides should calm down and try to get to a point. This is not a negotiation, but a war, which will find both players and owners on the losing side, even if someone survives at last. I am curious to see what effects will this risky move by the players cause.

  63. foultalk says:

    I’m sick of the fights between billionaire owners and millionaire players. The true losers in the NBA lockout are the fans and businesses. Check out the rest of my thoughts here: http://foultalk.wordpress.com

  64. Mert says:

    I am a software developer and what i code creates income to the companies i work for. However we as developers don’t have a right to ask 50% of yearly income of the company. I honestly don’t see the point players are arguing in here. Of course owners should make more money from players as they are taking all the risks.

    I am supporting Owners

    • Kris says:

      I truly support your view.

      I support Owners, since they take all the risk. Go and look at Speedy Claxton’s contract, he got 30Mil + after leaving spurs but never played properly in years after that, can owners cancel his contract for under performing, if not then players union should make speedy pay back his money to owners whom these agents duped. There are many more such contracts.

      If players argument is you were foolish on writing such contracts and suggesting owners should spend wisely so they will be profitable. OWNERS ARE DOING THE SAME THING THAT YOU PLAYERS ARE SUGGESTING. i.e BEING WISE ON HOW THEY SPEND FROM HERE ON and that is what their proposal is.

      Players, take it or LOOSE it, I LOVE watching games and giving the league my money, but I don’t sympethise with you guys at all, NOT IN THIS ECONOMY.

    • James says:

      Well said. The players and Kessler have no ground to argue on. Owners have employees and in this case the players are their employees. How can I possibly feel like I would win a battle in the courts by asking my boss (CEO) for half their revenue???? I just really don’t get the players. It also seems that the ones with major endorsement deals are the ones who are doing the most arguing. My call would be, if you want a split in revenue, split your addida, nike, G2, converse and rap money with the owners. I’m sure the players wouldnt do that.

      • BermudaTriangle says:

        Of course you guys are right. I actually used the job of a programmer in a previous post about how there are so many other, extremely valuable employees in other industries that don’t get nearly the money or benefits that NBA players do. The players will undoubtedly regret this decision…but I certainly will enjoy it. It’s about time that people who play children’s games for a living get brought back down to earth. It’s also a time that we should all reflect on this and say to ourselves…what have we, as fans, created here? We’ve created spoiled little brats who have no appreciation for what they’ve been given! It’s time we boycott the players…F the NBA!

    • tide23 says:

      they can replace you easily but they can’t replace guys like wade,kobe,lebron,and 447 others guys.The difference is that the players are the product and the only product the nba can use.All the owners could sell they’re teams right now and the money will keep coming in but if all the players leave with their GOD giving abilites and nba talents the money stops coming in.They could use others players but they are not going to be worth paying all your hard earned money to see.There are people waiting in line to buy nba franchises even if it is just for a hobby.

      • shhh says:

        whatever the next CBA is… the kobe’s, lebron’s, wade’s, melo’s, durant’s and the likes will be kept happy by the owners/teams.

        so i disagree with you… yes they can’t replace the kobe’s, lebron’s, wade’s, melo’s, durant’s & the likes easily, but all the rest of the players?! they’re as dispensable as a regular employee in a regular company.

        there are only a few nba players with “god given abilities” if i may borrow your words, all the rest are fillers that can be replaced by an underpaid hardworking player who is willing to accept average salary.

        what really can the players do with their stance now? i am referring to the ordinary nba players.

      • Sal says:

        Players get replaced every year and stars eventually get replaced by the next group so to say players cant be replaced is a joke!

    • Gary says:

      I can understand where you are coming from but you can’t compare your job to this. First off we are talking about a union vs. a group of owners. It’s not Derek Fisher saying he wants’ 53%; he’s speaking on behalf of the players. Not only that but they were originally receiving 57%, and who put that in place? The owners. Now they are in tight situations for overpaying guys and want to rectify it by completely changing the way things work. The players have already agreed to reduce salaries and were willing to drop 4% of the BRI. That wasn’t good enough for the owners and now they want to really haggle for even harsher terms. It’s the owners fault plain and simple. Yeah the players can end it bay taking the raw deal but if you were in that situation you probably would put up a fight too.

      • Jon says:

        I agree, i know i would take a pay cut.

      • Peter M. Arel says:

        IT IS RIGHT TO MAKE THESE GREEDY BALLPLAYERS WORK FOR SOMETHING THEY BELIEVE IS WRONG! PERSECUTE THE PLAYERS BY UNDERPAYING THEM AND TREATING THEM LIKE INDENTURED SERVANTS AND THEY ALL GO TO EUROPE THEY WILL NOT BE MISSED!LOWBALL THEM TO DEATH!TELL THEM TO “TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT” WHEN THEY ASK FOR A RAISE AND THEY’LL ALL HEAD FOR EUROPE TO PLAY!

    • David says:

      NO player gets 57%, they do so collectively. Plus, in many service orieanted industries, wage is alot more than half the total revenue. 50-50 will give the NBA the lowest pay percentage in North America compared to other sports leagues, so tell me, in what ways are NBA players worth less than hockey or baseball players collectively?

      • BermudaTriangle says:

        Baseball actually makes money and Hockey Players don’t get paid 18 million a season to slap a puck!

      • Gary says:

        @ BermudaTriangle, no offense to hockey fans, but stats show that basketball is a bigger entertainment sport industry so of course the players make more. Still that is part of the problem created by OWNERS. These guys didn’t come out of college demanding these salaries. What they did do however is get agents who jacked up their worth, but that is still the owners fault for buying in simply because he or they wanted a star player.

  65. Dom says:

    The season is screwed isn’t it?

  66. Hg says:

    It has been said on numerous post that this new clause was a little late; although I would have to agree as far as basketball is concerned, but fighting through negotiations to get a fair deal is surely not without merit. We lose, probably a season of basketball, but the players are fighting for the whole career of basketball. The owners OTOH are fighting for what they feel is right.

    In this world of greed, can you really condemn the players for fighting for principles or the owners for fighting for their principles?
    Our children that fought against the bullies with a gun for taking their lunch money surely didn’t go about it right, but they were backed in the corner with very little support from the school, parents, or adult leadership. Most players are just children and has very little leadership to look up to.

    Hg