Deadline Day … Again

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SIDES TO CONTINUE TALKING THURSDAY

1:18 a.m. ET: After more than 12 hours, talks have halted and will continue Thursday at noon ET. While no deal was agreed upon and no significant progress was made, NBA commissioner David Stern said the deadline on moving to a 53-47 revenue split in the owners’ favor was being put on hold, as our own David Aldridge tweets:

Stern: We’ve agreed to stop the clock while we contnue to negotiate. Back at noon tomorrow. Neither optimistic nor pessimistic.

Yahoo! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski tweets:

Stern wouldn’t deny progress had been made on system issues. “We’re not failing, and we’re not succeeding.” Stern: “It was understanding going in that at end of the session, whether it ends today or tomorrow, that’s when our offer reverts.”

Aldridge tweets the same message from Derek Fisher:

Union now. Fisher: we spent a lot of time covering the issues. I can’t say there was sig progress made, but we’re going to meet tomorrow.

Aldridge also tweets a smiliar tone from Billy Hunter:

Hunter: didn’t make much headway on any of the five system issues.

WEDNESDAY ROLLS INTO THURSDAY

11:58 p.m. ET: We’re headed for yet another marathon meeting, with Wednesday’s negotiations rolling into Thursday morning. But does the length equate to progress? ESPN’s Ric Bucher tweets his thoughts:

As night rolls on, my optimism on NBA deal being struck wanes. If they’re grinding at this point, it’s because fundamental divide remains.

Our own Steve Aschburner sums it up, too:

Has gone all ways. Long talks=”progress,” long talks=breakdown. Same w/ short talks.

WE’VE BEEN HERE BEFORE

11:07 p.m. ET: As Wednesday’s labor talks pass the 10-hour mark, our man David Aldridge gives us the following:

Don’t know if they can close the gap on everything, but do have the sense [David] Stern/[Billy] Hunter want to make a deal tonight if possible …

But, Aldridge points out:

But, again, we’ve been at this spot before and they haven’t been able to get it done. No promises or predictions tonight, either.

AND THE BEAT GOES ON

9:11 p.m. ET: A ray of hope, perhaps? Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports tweets that the owners and the players have made “significant progress.”  The info is from sources who have been briefed on the talks. In a follow-up, Wojnarowski tweeted:

No deal was considered imminent, but talks were expected to extend late into the evening.

 Sam Amick of sister site SI.com tweeted:

There is an interesting level of optimism among the NBA executive ranks regarding tonight’s talks and how this night will end.

Sums up our man Steve Aschburner:

Reports of “progress” in NBA labor mtg (multiple outlets). If it took chastened union attorney [Jeffrey] Kessler or Stern’s straw deadline, so be it.

NO DRUM ROLL YET

8:29 p.m. ET:  After about seven hours of bargaining, which we hope is collective, still no word on whether progress has been made or whether commissioner David Stern has reset the owners’ offer.  As Ken Berger of CBSSports.com puts it in a tweet:

Cranking along here at the lockout stakeout. Hour No. 8 has begun. Been given no indication of how things are going.

SOUND OFF

7:23 p.m. ET:  With the CMA set to recognize the brightest country stars tonight, we wait with bated breath for an harmonious chord to be struck in the NBA labor negotiations.  As the labor fiddling continues, media types have been forced out of their big waiting room in the Manhattan hotel.  Says Howard Beck of The New York Times in a tweet:

In the latest round of stakeout hijinks, hotel took away our luxurious 4,000-square foot room and jammed us into two smaller ones.

I’LL HAVE THE CAVIAR, PLEASE

6:35 p.m., ET: This, from our man David Aldridge, a few minutes ago, via twitter.

League, union ordering in dinner. Make of it what you will. #smallmoves

Breaking bread? Good, right?

Or just loading up for the food fight to come?

This might take a while. A while longer, that is.

DEBATING, STILL

6:23 p.m., ET: While the Republican presidential wannabes get ready to tee it up in their latest debate, this one tonight at 9 in the suburbs of Detroit, our basketball leaders continue to hash out things in a midtown Manhattan hotel.

We could attempt to make some more ill-conceived parallels between those folks, one of whom may be the next POTUS, and our cast of characters, none of whom has acted particularly presidential lately. But we’ll stop there. Suffice it to say, they’ll be talking and gesturing and maybe pointing fingers tonight in Detroit. And in New York, they’re doing the same in the latest negotiating session between the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association. They’ve been at it about five hours worth today so far.

While we’re waiting for one to start and the other to end, enjoy the newest update from NBA TV (above). And remember to check NBA TV (and NBA.com) after the talks for all the news conferencing you can handle.

A GIFT FOR GAB

5:23 p.m., ET: NBA lockout expert Howard Beck (@HowardBeckNYT) of The New York Times tweets this, and we’re happy for his ciphering:

Updated tote board: Labor negotiations have now consumed 140 hours over 22 meetings since the lockout began.

That is a lot of gabbing since July 1. We need to count up the deadlines next, and the deadlines missed, and the comments by owners and players regretted, and the money lost and the time spent hanging around lobbies and the pizzas eaten (and the Tums) and the times we’ve written BRI and …

Oh, come on already.

BONG! BONG! BONG!

5 p.m., ET: From Merriam-Webster.com. The definition of the word deadline:

1 a : a line drawn within or around a prison that a prisoner passes at the risk of being shot
2 a : a date or time before which something must be done

OK, we’re not absolutely positive which one applies at this hour. But that ringing you all just heard was the Stern-line passing. And, by all accounts, the talking between owners and players is still going on.

That, of course, was to be expected. If progress is being made [be gone, you cursed optimism], it makes no sense for either side to get up from the table. No sense at all.

Keep talking. Order in. We’ll pay!

On the negative side, as we’ve learned over these past months, the length of a bargaining session in no way is indicative of the results of said session. We have learned — or been told, anyway — that there comes a time when there’s nothing else to be said. And if differences still remain … well, that’s how we got here.

But on the hopeful side, as close as the two sides reportedly are, it can only be good that they’ve blown by the stated deadline and are still talking. Whether they can come to that elusive agreement or not and get the dang season started, we just don’t know at this point.

Either way, there went another deadline. That ringing you heard? Probably in your head.

AT WHAT COST?

4:43 p.m., ET: It has been reported, and tweeted, from the always-excellent TrueHoop blog on ESPN, that (and we’ll copy that tweet right here):

Difference between the two sides is tiny compared to cost of lost season, no matter what happens today

No doubt about it. And if sportswriters and fans can see that … don’t you figure the guys in the room should be able to, too?

Sorry. Slipped into common sense there for a second. No place for that here.

DEADLINE NEARS

4:31 p.m., ET: We’re inside a half-hour until the David Stern-imposed deadline. After that, supposedly, things get worse.

Things can get worse?

‘ROUND AND ‘ROUND

4:20 p.m., ET: You do have to wonder, if you’re at least half-interested in the NBA lockout, what those guys talk about in the room for all these hours. After all, they met for 8 1/2 hours last Saturday and into Sunday. The players, on their own, have gotten together since then. The owners have, too.

They’ve been going at this for 132 days, for Podoloff’s sake. It’s been a tad sporadic, granted. But shouldn’t it be as simple as this?

ONE SIDE: “Have you guys moved? Are you willing to?”

THE OTHER SIDE: “What about you guys?”

If these guys don’t understand the other side’s position at this point, we’re all in trouble.

Anyway, NBA TV is, as they say, cutting into their regularly scheduled programming with updates. Rick Kamla gives you a rundown with the latest, above. And allow us a quick plug: If there are news conferences to be had after this meeting of the minds — good, bad or in-between (if there is an in-between at this point) — you can find them on NBA TV. Call your cable or satellite provider for details. Or click on the guide already. It’s not that hard.

GETTING ALL DIPLOMATIC

3:26 p.m., ET: Our man David Aldridge has offered up this bit of scribing, pointing out the need for diplomacy in these touchy times and alerting us as to what to listen for in the public pronouncements of the principals in these proceedings.

Wow. We’re only a couple of hours into this thing today and we’re getting all alliterative already. Time for a break.

Anyway, D.A. does a little reading between the lines for us:

  • It’s true, the league has said it will put a new, harsher proposal on the table at 5 p.m. Wednesday that goes back to the 53-47 BRI split in favor of the owners and the “flex cap” NHL-style, harder salary ceiling. But even if the NBA does so, it’s just a proposal, not an ultimatum. [The bolding is Hang Time’s.] Which means it can be negotiated up as well as down. Just because the owners start there doesn’t mean they finish there, and if you dovetail some give by the players on BRI with some give by the owners on the system, you get very close to a deal.
  • There are a good portion of hard-liners among the owners. But guess who isn’t a hard-liner? The owner of the New Orleans Hornets, which just happens to be the NBA. And guess who else probably isn’t today? Atlanta Spirit, the new/old owners of the Atlanta Hawks, who were put back in charge of the franchise last week when Alex Meruelo’s deal to buy the team fell through. It’s a pretty good guess that Atlanta Spirit will be willing to eschew whatever concerns it may have about a new deal in order to secure the help of one David J. Stern to help it make the best possible sale for the team. Those are two important votes the Commish has in his back pocket. And who knows how many other teams are on the block, and whose owners that are otherwise hawks might fall in line to facilitate a future sale?

IN THE ROOM

2:48 p.m., ET: Jeffrey Kessler, a lawyer for the National Basketball Players Association, is in the bargaining room today, too, according to the Turner Sports tag team of Steve Aschburner and David Aldridge.

This is news because Kessler, if you’ll recall, was the guy who couldn’t check his emotions, or his mouth, when the owners told players that the latest offer was the best that they were going to get, so they should take it. Remember?

“To present that in the context of ‘take it or leave it,’ in our view, that is not good faith. Instead of treating the players like partners, they’re treating them like plantation workers.”

Yep, generally speaking, “plantation workers” doesn’t go over well in any context. But Kessler went there Monday.

To his credit, we guess, Kessler apologized in a statement earlier today.

The comments that I made in The Washington Post took place in an interview late at night Monday after a very long day. Looking back, the words that I used were inappropriate; I did not intend to offend. I was merely passionately advocating for the players.

The players evidently thought that mea culpa sufficed enough to invite him back into the party today, where he will face NBA Commissioner David Stern. It was Stern, remember, who called Kessler’s actions during these negotiations “routinely despicable.”

See. This is why they don’t allow gavels in these meetings.

AND THEY’RE OFF

2 p.m., ET: The gavel sounded and the meeting came to order somewhere around 1:30 p.m. Well, we weren’t in there, and there probably wasn’t a gavel (it’s kind of dangerous to have a hammer in NBA negotiations), but reports from the scene indicated that the meeting started somewhere around 1:30.

This meeting reportedly is between a smaller group of players and owners, the kind of meeting in which most of the best and most productive work has been done during the lockout. Our guys in New York are busy running down a roll of who is there, but it’s a good bet that NBA Commissioner David Stern and Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver are repping the owners. Reports are that labor committee chairman Peter Holt of the San Antonio Spurs is in the room, too.

National Basketball Players Association Executive Director Billy Hunter and the union’s president, Derek Fisher of the Los Angeles Lakers, are sure to be there. Economist Kevin Murphy is helping out the players and is in town, it’s been reported, and several other players are milling around New York after Tuesday’s labor meeting and may be there.

Sources told Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! for a piece earlier today that Stern has the authority to come off the owners’ demands on some of the system issues, which might be encouraging news.

NBA commissioner David Stern has the authority to make minor system alterations to the owners’ latest labor offer to the players to try to complete a collective bargaining agreement and end the lockout, ownership sources told Yahoo! Sports.

How much, though, and will it make a difference?

“It will be a very slight budge,” one high-ranking management source said.

We will see. We will see.

LET’S GET READY TO …

1:20 p.m., ET: The owners fired out an ultimatum. The players knocked it back with a “no can do.”

And so now, in Day 132 of the NBA’s maddening, frustrating and ever-tiring labor lockdown, we find ourselves once again wondering: Is this it?

Is this the day players and owners finally look for a compromise that everyone can live with and strike a new collective bargaining agreement? Is this the day that the players — largely regarded as giving the most so far in the back-and-forth of negotiations — finally tell the owners to take their offer and their 5 p.m. deadline and dunk it?

Or … is this just another misguided bit of silly optimism in this multi-billion dollar game that these guys are playing?

We will find out soon enough. Or, we’ll find out soon, anyway.

OK. We’ll find out. Hopefully.

Representatives for the owners and the players’ union are supposed to be gathering — once again — in a Manhattan hotel meeting room at this hour, supposedly to try to move the last few feet on an agreement that, according to many people’s estimation, is already 95 percent done. The owners have an offer on the table that they will snatch back, says NBA Commissioner David Stern, at 5 p.m. ET if the players don’t accept it. At that point, Stern has threatened to replace that offer with something decidedly less attractive to the players.

The players, after rejecting Stern’s offer on Tuesday, talked the owners back to the table today in a bid to bridge that final gap. The players are reportedly ready to take a 50-50 split of basketball-related income — it would actually mean 12 percent less for them than they had in the previous agreement — if the owners give a little on the so-called “system” issues which govern player movement, contract length, raises and those kind of things.

Will the owners move? Will they move enough? And if they don’t, what next?

Decertification by the union? More inane comments from those in the room? A fan revolt? Heads exploding?

It could be a long day. Or not. But our guys David Aldridge of TNT and Steve Aschburner of NBA.com are on hand to fill you in.

Hang around. And let us know what you think, too, while we’re waiting around for … whatever.

84 Comments

  1. SportEnding.com says:

    I think they should also negotiate that in the future , there must be no more lockout, This must be discussed internally by nba management, unions, and agents. Basketball players must just focus on their game!

    SportsEnding.com

  2. BBLover says:

    We need a fan’s union. And this union should be on a lock-out until these greedy people come to some senses. We should be on this lock-out until this sport becomes a sport for fans and not for some fashion show-offs that have plenty of money to sit up-front and smile on TV. Those poeple don’t care about BB. I do, but if I take my family to a game, it costs me couple of hundred bucks to sit mile up from the court. We should be on this lock-out until they decrease the prices and make it affordable for normal people – not some spoiled millioners that are so out of touch with real life.
    I wish they just closed the NBA and opened another league that is about basketball and people who love this game. I wish government had big enough balls to step in say enough – we will take 50%BRI and players and owners split the remaining 50%.

  3. LOCKOUT SUX!!!!!!! says:

    Honestly, just make a deal already. Peoples jobs are at stake. I don’t know why both sides don’t want to make a deal already. 50-50 is not that bad. I hope you guys are reading these comments. 50-50 is better than nothing. You heard me right. 50-50 IS BETTER THAN NOTHING! If you guys want to play so bad, then why didn’t you accept it earlier. You’re saying that 50-50 is a bad deal? 47 freaking percent is a bad deal. Hopefully when you guys do meeting, hopefully you come to know senses and accept any deal. I really want this season to happen. I really wanna see Lakers vs Heat on my birthday (Dec 8 2011). I really wanna see the Miami Heat win the NBA championship. Just make a deal everyone can like. Make a deal where everyone can be satisfied. The next meeting, put everything on the table. Everything that you got and see if it’ll work. That’s my only advise. I really hope you are reading each comment because, if you are, you are looking at the people. Listen to the people. Give the people what they want.

  4. David says:

    Both sides are incredibly dumb. They are fighting over 1% or 2% but they fail to realize that the overall pool is going to decrease because fans are getting pissed and losing interest. Theres no MJ to save the league. No Larry or Magic and forget Bill or Wilt. No Skyhooks from Cap and no admiral or the dream. No Answer and soon there will be no Truth. The Mailman aint delivering and the Worm has gone back underground. No Penny to be found nor White Chocolate.

  5. David says:

    CMON just end the lockout please!!!! i wanna see the NBA badl

  6. ray allen #1 fan says:

    watching xfactor waiting for the LOCKOUT TO END!!

  7. For 3 says:

    Bye bye season

  8. Mike says:

    Lets just play basketball already

  9. Josh says:

    Okay I love watching the superstars such as Dirk, Kobe, Lebron, Paul Peirce, and even people like John Wall as they rise and posterize somebody and I know they deserve their millions for all the hard work they do every day. On the other hand they need to think that it is NOT only for them to get there money, but for us fans who love following our teams. Like I said they deserve them but there are people in this world who tried to get to the NBA and make millions but they are now out working their fingers to the bone every day to make maybe 100 dollars a week if they can get lucky sometimes. Now i know that im still tryin to get there and so are my teammates and we very rarely get noticed in our small town of Madison County, NC but we dont let it stop us from playing the game we love for no money at all. So what im saying is that if they truly love the game they would be out there playing each other as soon as they possibly can.

  10. Mike says:

    This will all blow over. The 2011-12 season will begin before Christmas. The players will still get paid their millions and will say how glad they are that this dispute is over and how they just wanted to play the game they “love”.

  11. Pepe says:

    I am for the lock out. And Hunter and Fisher are my hopes for that purpose !
    Since , they contribute to it like nobody else !!!

  12. V says:

    Jeffrey Kessler said the owners treating the players like “planatation worker”?? Oh man, why don’t he talk with the real former planatation workers and see if they were making millions. Those NBA players are so spoiled they think they can tell the owners to pay them what they want. It would be nice if we american workers can ask the company to pay us what we want. NBA players, accept what you get and move on. Do u love basketball? This pro sports are going out of control while the whole world’s economy is collapsing and more people are losing homes. Nice to see those pros making millions while miillions of us are collecting unemployment and cant make our payments on time. sigh…Sad world we all live in…

  13. damn! says:

    if players dont sign it, they are going to have a lesser %, so there is no other way, 50/50 is just fair enough on both ends.
    sign the god damn! agreement.

    we need games.

    everyone is affected especially working on arenas and commercial establishments that needs a game.

    if players dont agree on it, your all going to be broke. almost none of them know how to do a real work

  14. shakenbake says:

    best bet no deal will come out of this. Coz NBA CARES

  15. Gordon says:

    So why do the players have any say whatsoever in the percentage of revenue. The owners pay them a salary like every other sport and should not have to pay the players based on revenue. What a joke.

  16. GM says:

    They should have it that players make 51% for 1/3 of the season and owners 51% for 2/3 of the season..simple! would give players a chance to earn more and also have a bigger say and power in things for a while!

  17. Will B says:

    end the lockout sign a deal end the lockout sign a deal end the lockout sign a deal end the lockout sign a deal and so on

  18. rey says:

    sign it now, i dont care what the percent % , what i need game game game…… im d no. 1 fans of nba i dont leave without nba mr. commisioner.

  19. Viktor J says:

    we already know no deal will be done guys why even look at NBA website the statement will come out that derek fisher says bad deal bla bla bla and nothing will happen

    NBA=Nothing But Amateurs

  20. R4 says:

    I hope there is a system in play so I could be a fan of small market franchise and see a parade down my street. I still remember the day when the Toronto Blue jays won the world series 92s and 93s were the first team in baseball history to break 4 million fans in one season and how we party like it was new year eve. But in NBA that day might come when I’m turn over in the my grave with the system that allow players to build all star teams. Bring in the NFL style system and NHL too

  21. sickosynch says:

    Com.Stern fine all those greedy players and fine more on D.Fish and B.Hunter for being more greedy.. They are employees,they ought to have less more than the owners.. it’s the law..

  22. Please End NBA Lockout End Now Please All NBA Please My Name Is Alex Jay Montgomery And My Brother Steven James Montgomery And Please Lockout NBA End Now Please.

  23. Gaz says:

    “Sir, they are asking for 1.6 billions and 1 helicopter or they will blow up the building.” “We don’t negotiate with terrorists! Where is the shrink?”

  24. Fahou says:

    Seriously, cancel the season, cancel 2 or 3. Let’s see how much they will complain working at Home-Depot. Most of them won’t even qualify to flip the burgers at Arbys.Then they will be happy to play for $50K a year.

  25. LRivas says:

    I’m sorry…If you ask me, these players should be happy to be getting paid their ridiculous salaries and shut up and play the game they are paid to play. I am completely unsympathetic to someone who is whining about not getting their share of millions of dollars when people are losing their homes and having to choose between making car payments or buying food for their families. Most of us make 1% of what these players make in a year.

  26. tiger says:

    100% the owners fault. they need a new deal because of the ridiculous contracts the past few years. Well, whos fault is it that some crap players made $10 million a year? THE TEAMS THAT SIGNED THEM!!!!!!

    • Gordon says:

      So if they paid them ridiculous amounts in the past what do you think they are trying to do now. Correct the problem so they can turn a profit. If they paid a crap player 10 million in the past and now they know that he wasnt worth it, you dont keep paying him that, you correct the situation which is exactly what they are doing. Bottom line is that they cannot continue to lose money so the situation needs to be changed.

  27. michael says:

    i’m all for the lockout. let the players go broke. they didn’t deserve the deal they got 10 years ago and they sure as hell don’t deserve more than 50% (they don’t even deserve 35+%). an equal split in this type of business is absolutely ridiculous. these players are a bunch of spoiled and over paid jerks. screw all of them.

  28. RealFan says:

    I am disgusted watching both sides. I wish there was a union for fans. And I wish this union would say – enough of your greed. We are not going to buy tickets/watch NBA at all.
    These are people far away from the reality. Fisher is complaining on TV we don’t want to be taken advantage of. Youa re an employee and suck it up like we all do. I do not go to my director and say I will not work unless you pay me this much and give me this kind of benefits.
    Would any of these “poor” millioner players say no to a $500,000 annual income if they were not spoiled by their unrealistic incomes. Look at the world, who else is complaining making millions, Shut up and play and be thankful to what we, fans pay you.

  29. RealFan says:

    I am discusted watcing both sides. I wish there was a union for fans. And I wish this union would say – enough of your greed. We are not going to buy tickets/watch NBA at all.
    These are people far away from the reality. Fisher is complaining on TV we don’t want to be taken advantage of. Youa re an employee and suck it up like we all do. I do not go to my director and say I will not work unless you pay me this much and give me this kind of benefits.
    Would any of these “poor” millioner players say no to a $500,000 annual income if they were not spoiled by their unrealistic incomes. Look at the world, who else is complaining making millions, Shut up and play and be thankful to what we, fans pay you.

  30. Gman says:

    sign IT!!!

  31. Anthony says:

    David Aldridge is the MAN!!! Keep us Posted!

  32. damn! says:

    players are going to agree on the 50/50 split, they just wanted to have a change on the system.
    hope this will end the lock out. equal split and change on the system….
    NBA here we go.

  33. Humanoid says:

    Sign it, whats the worst that could happen, you go back on the court and continue to make millions.

  34. Byrdymann says:

    It’s not about the money, it’s about player movement. The owners make the bulk of their income from TV contracts , not concessions. It’s about Lebron james, Chris Bosh, Deron Williams, Carmello Anthony, D. Howard, Chris Paul, Amare Stodimire going to big market teams. These small markets have a hard time getting fans to the arena as it is, and if the best players are going to big market teams, Small market teams will not mae additional profits off concessions. I still blame any owner that locate or buy a team in a small market where people don’t have the money to support the over-priced tickets, high price for food, and high price for parking that the fans have to pay. Its strange how regular people likes to stick it to the players instead of the owners who has set the price of admission. the players aren’t employees, they are the product. They deserve to get paid whateva they can get, if you believe the owners deserve to make the money they get. We the fans are the fools because we keep them all very wealthy. So lets start blaming ourselves too if we are going to place blame on the players.

    • Gary says:

      These small market teams still make enough. Prime example is the Clippers. They have been a losing team for a long time, but still manage while competing with the Lakers. Some owners are just getting greedy about not making what others do, or mad cause they won’t be making the EXTRA profits that their star player was bringing in. Now they want players to take a cut to compensate for that. Give me a break.

    • Gordon says:

      we the fans are not at fault. If our ticket sales went straight to and paid the players salaries then sure. This is not true however, and the owners are losing money. The players are just employees and should have no say in revenues.

  35. Miguel Rivera says:

    Players just sign the Deal. You are already over paid as it is. How dare they say that the owners should sign the deal and stop being greeding and to think about the People that work at the stadiums ( ushers, tickets sales, concession stands) . The last time I check none of them are making 20 million a year for 5 years and have any type of shoe contract. This players are a bunch of spolied brats that the more money theu make the more the want. Tye get paid some much to play a sports and once they retire they have no money and nothing to fall back .

  36. CocaCola-1890 says:

    Is Marbury at the meeting?

  37. Pepe says:

    I really like this reality -Show !!
    They have stolen the show with no actions and a lot of talking!!!They have everybody in suspense.
    Hey Stern !!1 Don’t die on me now Man !!!! nail this bunch of illiterate greedy pigs….nail’em hard
    Back to work workers!!!!!!!!!!
    I hope for a “No -deal” at 5 PM .and .yes a “nuclear winter” …nail’em Stern …

  38. mikeudy says:

    So sick of derek fisher its like he doesnt want there to be an nba season they need a new union president

  39. Gary says:

    Well I don’t think a deal will be made today. The 98-99 lockout issues were not this bad and the season didn’t start until January(I think).

  40. PLAY BASEKETBALL says:

    JUST PLAY BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP BEING SELFISH ALL THE OTHERS (NOT FANS) ARE AFFECTED BY THIS!!!! THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE GAME RUN AS WELL, THE CONCESSION STANDS WORKERS, THE SECURITY, THE TICKET HOLDERS. BE FAIR 50/50 BOTH Y’ALL PROFIT IT……

  41. TS says:

    If ya’ll is worried about the teams that’s losing money, then maybe you should start by giving out equal TV spots to all the teams, not just when the Lakers play them.

  42. jabong rapp says:

    very.very greedy players…

  43. AAG_SR says:

    THE MAVS NEED TO GET OUR RING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS TOTAL DISRESPECT TO THE MAVS

  44. Patrick says:

    Definitely was more neutral if not leaning towards owners side when hearing some of the demands early on in the lockout from,the players and what they wanted. After the past month and seeing the players flex on a lot of the areas that I, as a fan not owner or player, think is important, and seeing how stringent the owners are being, I cant help but root for the players.

    I hope they stay unified and get a deal that they feel is fair. I want a deal that support a team of players, and the owners argued for that and got the players to flex on that. So owners, give the players their 51-52%, they have conceded on a lot of the more important issues that wont get teams locked out in bad contracts. It is at this point that we see the owners really just arguing over some greedy bs, and just wanting everything their way.

  45. Ron says:

    The D league players play harder. If you take about 15 “super stars” and put with them who could tell the difference?

  46. Mike says:

    I hereby offer my services to any NBA franchise. I’ll play basketball for 40k a year and a sandwich after every game.

  47. Mike says:

    Get back to work.

  48. Alisadunk says:

    I liked the comment about how MJ is always playing for the team he is on. MJ is the greatest competitor we have ever seen and one of the smartest owners.

    About the lockout. Somebody suggested that both parties look at the issue from each other side. Well, owners are loosing money, and players were asked to give 7% back and make the league more competitive. The players are the once who are trying to get the best they can, But players would still play in this league even if there making only 25% of BRI. It still beats working at Home Depot. It is the owners who are fighting for their livelihoods. If somebody to blame for the lock out still going it must be the players. But it is all part of the business of basketball. My prediction that today all will be resolved for 50/50 BRI and some minor consessions on the system toward the players.

  49. Chris says:

    Ok this is ridiculous…I mean seriously. This is a business for the NBA owners, and the commissioners of the NBA. I just dont understand how players(the wokers) expect to make most of the profits, what kinda of nonsense is that….Just sign the contract already.

    The owners agreed to a 50-50 split and the players declined it, thats a big WTF!.. They actually want more, it’s a job. When you as a worker, go to work, for a company do you really expect to make more or just as much as the owner…I love the NBA players, but lets think logically here. I’m going to have to side with the owners. I sided with the owners aswell when the NFL was going through the same situation.

  50. multibong says:

    Keep these greedy guys locked out, who needs them. Promote the D League players to legit NBArs, I will attend all the games. King Bargs!

  51. Come on now. Lets do this!!!!

    END THE LOCKOUT!

  52. Adam says:

    Lets go MEN!!! Losing fans by the minute now. Sign it, so the Bulls can get 2 winning the title

  53. Pat Brown says:

    I don’t give a Sh!!!t how much money you guys make, I’m ready to watch some basketball. This is simple BS.

  54. NNM says:

    ..And I have to add, it feels like the players are suddenly being punished because the owners have been bad businessmen!

    If my employer suddenly told me I have to move to [FarCity] for less money? I’m out.

    The owners are the ones running poor businesses then? New teams appear; some are bought by very rich businessmen, who suddenly complain their business is not doing so well? I now see it as really dirty business by the owners. They knew what they were getting into! They wanted it! Didn’t they have any financial advisers to give them an analysis of the market; to warn about the risks involved?
    If you view a team and the owner as a business and an investment: some teams can make their economy work, others not. And nothing will ever change that. No matter what you do, you will always have someone getting ahead..

  55. Martin from Austria says:

    Please, let’s finally end this, I think we have at least the agreement that we all want to see basketball so let’s do this!!!

  56. Chucky53 says:

    I think the players are going to decertify, which will probably backfire on them. IDK, i’m just saying but if thats the route they are going to go there want be no basketball this season at all look for that to come next. I’m sure we want see any basketball in December.

  57. SACKINGSFAN says:

    It really doesn’t matter what happens from here on it, this has hurt the game. Whether or not the players like it or not the Owner own the teams. They take all the risk. The players are so spoiled. I respect Kevin Martin for coming out and talking about the realities, especially mentioning the economy. The fans live in reality. We have all taken paycuts in the past few years. This has hurt the game big time. I love basketball at all levels but I will never again feel the same about the NBA>

  58. RaymondG says:

    This is more exciting than watching an NBA game!

  59. Jason says:

    What have the owners conceded on? I haven’t heard one thing that they have softened on. They are getting their way with everything. Greedy owners are the problem here. The players have came down from 57 percent. Give them something owners, do you part! It’s called negotiating.

  60. Jumpshot = fail says:

    NBA is dead

  61. Michael W says:

    This is why San Antonio needs a football team, its Texas, football ANYWHERE in Texas will have fans!!! 7th biggest city in the country and no football! Everyone in these negotiations are greedy, just get the deal done so I can have SOMETHING to watch from my city!!!

  62. byrLLO says:

    Today is the day to get a deal done! If there is one thing the “ultimatum” did, it was to give a wake up call to everyone around the room that there is NO MORE TIME to wait on signing a deal! If players can get anything back today in terms of system issues, ANYTHING, they should sign the deal! Sure it might not seem fair for the players who gave so much, but the owners think its unfair for the smaller markets as well.. bottom line: FAIR ENOUGH, letsss go!

  63. iRob says:

    they better make a desicion today. if so no nba and no commercials about bball never stopping

  64. Gman says:

    Cmon Sign it. the Black mamba doesnt have that many years remaining.

  65. tony says:

    I got a feeling this is heading south .. the owners just dont care about what the players are sacrificing and stern said so himself. theres no “wiggle room left” .

  66. Agent #006 says:

    I personally don’t mind the lockout….well i love basketball but like all businesses there will be business related issues that has to be ironed out, with that said… i admire the way the players stuck together in solidarity throughout this process. the one thing i didnt want to see is player divide, we all know divided we fall. i am frustrated with these greedy owners though, especially MJ with his hardline and not being too far removed from playing himself, remember MJ told Abe Pollin, “if your team cant make a profit you might as well sell it”….MJ practice what you preach, owners and players….PLAYBALL.

  67. Eddie says:

    Fans should be become united and boycott first game regardless of outcome, of course if there is an NBA season.

  68. Rob says:

    sign it already! we dont care how much you make. just play ball for nba fans.

  69. NNM says:

    At the beginning of the lockout, I would have picked owners side. Now that I understand what they want to do to the system, I am 100% with the players on this.
    Don’t really care how they split the money. Just, do not flex on the system! Let’s take it back to the 90s…. Those were some years…. Dominated by the legendary dynasties… Ahhh how I miss those tough games from the 90s.

    And today, there’s so many free throws. Too many. I don’t know if they even discuss the rules; but I don’t like the amount of fouls being called… I want “..and he draws the foul..” to be replaced with “..flopping called..”

    And start playing basketball already!

    • R4 says:

      If you want to take it back to 90s then give the teachers pension back their money for the raptors and find some other fool to fund a losing team in Toronto. You guys just don’t get it, No one cares anymore about other cities, fans want their own city to succeed no more I live in Houston and cheer for Chicago or I live in Portland and cheer for the Knicks. People want success to be in reach for all teams that compete regardless of location. NFL has found how to intergrade this program. No more Cowboys winning any superbowl, Now its the same teams such as Packers, Saints, and who next I think it could be Lions. This is how you grow a sport league into dynasty no more team dynasty just best team with the best heart no more superstar on one team. Just players with heart and luck.

  70. Patrick says:

    Concerning the owners: I believe they are fighting for what every business owner would want. If your employees were to band together and tell you how much money they wanted and the benefits to go with it would you shut the company down until they agreed to come back to work for something that would allow you to pay them and your contractors while still making a profit? Of course you would!

    Concerning the players: If you spent your life’s energy and strength as the workhorse for a company and made it billions fo dollars wouldn’t you want your fair share of that income? The wear and tear on their bodies is worth alot though it may not be as much as they are asking! The problem is that it was theirs before. Can you imagine working for a billion dollor company making 2 million a year then are asked a few years later to work for 1/2 million a year instead? Well, that’s how the players feel.

    Concerning MJ: When he was a Bull he fought for the Bulls. When he was a Wizard he fought for the Wizards. When he was a player he fought for the players. But….now he’s an owner. So, he’s fighting for the owners. The man just shows that his loyalty and competativeness is reserved for the team he’s on at the present time.

    However,I wish they all could lay aside their greed (which is the real root problem) and put themselves in the other’s shoes for a few hours.

  71. Karam says:

    If the owners are willing to give back, and understand that the players came all the way from 57 down to 50 percent then they to can understand that they can do their part and give back to the players. They don’t want the players to hate the owners and have a bad relationship with them, so they must make it fair. The players came down to 50-50 now its time for the owners to help in with the negotiating and give back some leverage to the players. I see something good happening today. If the players wanted to decertify they would have done that already. The fact that the players said they would take 50-50 and willing to negotiate once more before the deadline shows nothing but hope. So let us cross our fingers and hope and pray that this nightmare not only for the fans but also for those who are currently un-employed because of this lock out will finally end.

  72. Anthony says:

    DEAL IS BE ACCEPT OK

  73. athanasia columbus says:

    players please get the deal done today nba players make more money than other pro sports dont listen to the agents

  74. JCPortugal says:

    What a “Rocky Horror Basquetball Show” this has been! At leats for NBA fans, for I believe no one else in the world gives a tut. Believe me this is so difficult for European fans to grasp!
    Meanwhile we have been delited at watching Gasol and many others playing next door in the Pro Spanish League, and other European leagues. Hurray for FIBA basketball. Down NBA…
    I have been more on the owners side througout this process, but now…If the NBA loses this season, they will only have the owners to blame!
    Again FIBA and Europe will then have gained immenselly in popularity and number of fans, cause there will be many top NBA players making a move to Europe, where we will get to see them playing live!

  75. Duane says:

    A deal is never fair for all. But getting something done is better than nothing. Teams not making money should only blame there own selfs. They are the ones who accepted a bad TV deal. Like the Kings. I am a Lakers fan for 35 years and I am spoiled, so I can see how others feel that never win or can not spend the money others do. It is not fair, but those owners moved those to small markets. Did theynot think…

    • R4 says:

      So question how much room is there to put 22 more teams in big market smart guy? So if the owners are making bad decision that cause these loses? They should sell the team but to who? Who would buy a team that not making money in a small market.? Then they should move the team to big market but is there anymore room in New York, Chicago, LA those are the biggest market in basketball Miami to me is still a small market because they can’t sell out every game with the big three.

      Toronto raptors suck but they make more money than the Thunders, Grizzles and these two teams went further into the playoff than Raptors. Like I said there no more room for team to go to big market so i guess just keep selling them all back to the league

      • chulodo says:

        And should your English teachers blame “there own selfs” too, Duane?

        The TV deal isn’t “bad”; where do you come up with the idea that $4 billion is a bad TV deal?

        Oh yeah; you’re a Laker fan.

        The mistake was agreeing to handing over 57% to the players.

        And this 50-50 deal helps to remedy that mistake–at least getting the league back to break-even.