Morning Shootaround — March 31

VIDEO: The Daily Zap for games played March 30


Struggling Pacers have hit rock bottom | Knicks finally ready to close in on 8th spot | Win or lose, Lakers facing crossroads this summer | The age of analytics or overload? | Haywood says one-and-done kids hurt NBA game

No. 1: Struggling Pacers have hit rock bottom after loss to Cavaliers — The Indiana Pacers have officially hit rock bottom. Sure, it’s a strange thing to say about a team that currently occupies the top spot in the Eastern Conference standings. But there is no other way to describe what the Pacers are going through after watching them get taken apart by the Cleveland Cavaliers. Their current state of affairs is not conducive to a long and productive postseason run. And after warnings being sounded from every direction, including Pacers’ boss Larry Bird, the struggles continue. Their lead in the standings over the Miami Heat has dwindled to just one game. And the Pacers have no explanation for how things have unraveled the way they have. Candace Buckner of the Indianapolis Star paints the picture:

On Sunday afternoon at Quicken Loans Arena, the Pacers searched for their first road win since March 15 but could not find it. Then, after the 90-76 defeat, they searched for something to explain this most mystifying late-season plunge that has left them holding a scant one-game lead over the Miami Heat.

Again, the Pacers couldn’t find it.

“I don’t know what we’re going to do,” said Paul George, only after raising his head from his hands.

“I’m lost right now,” Lance Stephenson muttered under his breath. “I don’t know.”

“I don’t know,” David West said, the words struggling to escape from his gravelly voice, “what else we can do.”

The Pacers may not know what’s behind this latest stretch of basketball as they’ve lost five straight on the road, but know this – they have reached the lowest point of the season.

“Yeah, I would say,” West answered. “For us to be playing like this just as a group, just to be so out of sync and out of sorts – we just got to find an answer. Something happened and all of us are sort of searching for what that is and why we’re playing the way we’re playing and why we’re looking the way we look when we’re out there on the floor.”

Indiana, now 52-22, has played on the offensive end as if it’s an agonizing ordeal to simply put the ball through the hoop. For the fourth consecutive road game, the team could not eclipse the 37-percent shooting clip.

“We had trouble catching passes and trouble knocking down open shots,” Pacers coach Frank Vogel said. “Our guys are out of rhythm right now. We got to figure it out. That’s what we gotta do.”

VIDEO: David West talks about Indiana’s loss in Cleveland


No. 2: Knicks close in on playoff spot — One huge road win could very well be the tipping point that allows the New York Knicks to finally catch and pass the struggling Atlanta Hawks for that eighth and final playoff spot they have been eyeing for months now. The gap has been closed, after the Knicks’ stunning win on the road over the Golden State Warriors. The way they did it, with Carmelo Anthony struggling through a 7-for-21 shooting night and with J.R. Smith, Amar’e Stoudemire, Tim Hardaway Jr. and others stepping up, only makes the stretch run more intriguing for the always dramatic Knicks. It’s down to one, as Marc Berman of the New York Post explains:

It’s down to one.

With Atlanta in free fall, the Knicks are lucky to be alive. And so they are very much, closing to one game of the final playoff spot with a 89-84 upset victory in a surprising defensive struggle over the Warriors at Oracle Arena, when they shut down Stephen Curry twice in the final 30 seconds.

The Knicks used rare gritty defense and a 15-0 run late in the second quarter to keep their postseason dreams alive. They had lost 10 of their last 11 games in Oakland before rising to the challenge — and bottling up Curry on the final possession.

“Our defense finally stepped up,’’ coach Mike Woodson said.

The Knicks moved to 2-2 on their five-game West Coast trip. With eight games left, the Knicks finish up the Western trip Monday in Utah. The Hawks face the Sixers.

“If we head home, get [Monday] night, it will be a great road trip,’’ Carmelo Anthony said. “We control our own destiny. I just hope we win and bring the same mindset and focus into Utah.’’

The Knicks had allowed 127 points in Los Angeles, including a 51-point third quarter, and 112 in Phoenix before buckling down in Oakland, where team president Phil Jackson continued to stay away.

Smith, who has been rising as a secondary scorer, finished with 19 points at halftime on 8 of 11 shooting and wound up with 21. Anthony finished with just 19 points but had four in the final 1:30. He shot 7 of 21. Amar’e Stoudemire was a beast on the boards, finishing with 15 points and a season-high 13 rebounds.

‘For us to bounce back after that loss in Phoenix, We did a great job tonight,’’ Anthony said. “It says a lot we can put this stuff behind us quickly.’’

VIDEO: Carmelo Anthony talks about the Knicks’ big win in Oakland


No. 3: Win or lose the Lakers facing dilemmas at every turn at season’s end — As enjoyable as that win over the Phoenix Suns might have felt for Lakers fans who have endured an unthinkable season, the sad facts of this season remain. No matter what they do between now and the end of this regular season, this summer is setting up as a critical crossroads for the franchise. There is so much uncertainty that some of the starch is taken out of any of the good vibrations Chris Kaman and Co. provided with that surprising rout of the Suns. Mike Bresnahan of the Los Angeles Times sets the table for what the Lakers are facing:

The Phoenix Suns were in town and handed the Lakers much more to ponder beyond another surprisingly rare and easy victory.

The Suns couldn’t control Chris Kaman, lost Sunday’s game by a 115-99 score and offered the perfect time to explore some big-picture questions involving their past employees.

What will the Lakers do with Coach Mike D’Antoni?

What will happen with Steve Nash, who won two NBA most-valuable-player awards in Phoenix under D’Antoni? And what of Kendall Marshall, a first-round bust of the Suns who found plenty of playing time with the Lakers?

The answers in quick succession as of now — undetermined, staying and staying.

The Lakers have a dilemma with D’Antoni, who coached the Suns for five successful seasons. They still owe him $4 million next season and don’t want to look like a franchise with a coaching turnstile.

But Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol don’t support his small-ball offense and Lakers fans don’t support him, period.

So the team will decide fairly quickly after the April 16 regular-season finale — pay him to not coach the team, just like Mike Brown, or try to make it work next season.

General Manager Mitch Kupchak said last week he thought D’Antoni was “doing a great job under the circumstances,” but how great would obviously be revealed in coming weeks.

Nash sat out another game, which is no longer surprising for a player who appeared in only 12 this season.

For financial reasons, the Lakers currently plan to keep him next season, The Times has learned, eating the remainder of his contract ($9.7 million) in one swoop instead of waiving him and spreading the money out over three years.

It would give them more money to spend in the summers of 2015 and 2016, when they figure to be active players in the free-agent market amid such possible names as Kevin LoveLeBron James and Kevin Durant.


No. 4: The new age of analytics … overload or advantage? — It’s one thing for fans and pundits alike to debate the merits of advanced statistics, or analytics (if you will). It’s something altogether different, however, when players, coach and front office types are still haggling over the merits of that information and what it means in the overall matrix of the game. In Boston, where the advanced metrics movement got its start in the NBA, there is no better context than the one painted by All-Star point guard Rajon Rondo, former Celtics coach and current Clippers boss Doc Rivers and Celtics president and brain waves guru Danny Ainge. Baxter Holmes of the Boston Globe provides this illuminating take on where things stand by framing the debate:

Rondo has savant-like math skills and a well-documented interest in advanced statistics. But he has his doubts about SportVU.

“I don’t think it means anything,” Rondo said. “It doesn’t determine how hard you play. It can’t measure your heart. It can maybe measure your endurance. But when the game is on the line, all that goes out the window.”

Rivers, on the other hand, considers himself a proponent.

“There’s a really good use for it,” Rivers said. “There’s a use for us, each team, depending on how they play and how they defend. You can find out stuff.”

And while Ainge is also a proponent, he remains cautious.

“You have to be careful with how you utilize the information that you have,” Ainge said. “It is sort of fun and intriguing and I understand why media and the fans are intrigued by it all, but I think it’s blown way out of proportion of how much it’s actually utilized.”

Ainge’s point was echoed by several analytics officials employed by NBA teams who corresponded with the Globe on the condition of anonymity.

Naturally, none of them could speak in specifics about how their teams use the data, but many said that numerous challenges — such as how many variables can affect a player on any play — keep this from being an exact science.

“Our sport is just not a pretty sport for isolating things,” one official said.

Above all, several officials emphasized that how the discussion is framed is key, as analytics are often discussed publicly in black-and-white terms — “they’re great” or “they’re pointless” — when reality is in the middle.

One official wrote in an e-mail, “People don’t understand the limitations of the data and only focus on the articles that are written about it and the way it is ‘sold’ by the NBA and the teams that use it. Some of the data is much more along the lines of trivia as opposed to something that can be useful for an NBA team. But make no mistake, there’s plenty of good stuff in there, too.”

Another said, “The underlying data, I think, is incredibly valuable in the way that diamonds or gold under a mountain are valuable, but it takes a lot of effort and infrastructure to get at it and then take advantage of it.”


No. 5: Haywood: These one-and-done kids aren’t ready for the NBA — Few people can offer the perspective on the one-and-done dilemma that Spencer Haywood can. He changed the landscape for early entrant candidates in 1971 when the Supreme Court ruled in his favor, after he starred for two seasons at the University of Detroit, and allowed underclassmen to enter the professional ranks. In an op-ed for the New York Daily News Haywood explains why one season on a college campus is not sufficient preparation for anyone with aspirations of joining the game’s elite. In short, Haywood believes the one-and-done rule has to go, mostly because the NBA game is suffering because of it:

I jumped to the ABA in what would have been my junior year and won the ABA Rookie of the Year and MVP honors with the Denver Rockets. I had a fair amount of seasoning before I challenged the system. I wouldn’t have been able to handle the rigors of the NBA on and off the court after my freshman year.

The NBA is now strewn with underclassmen, most notably players who have left after their freshman year, who have yet to make a significant impact.

Look no further than last year’s NBA draft, when five freshmen — Anthony Bennett, Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore, Steven Adams, Shabazz Muhammad — were selected among the top 15 overall picks.

How many are difference-makers for their respective teams? None.

How many are averaging double digits in points and minutes? None.

The high scorer among this group, McLemore, is averaging 7.5 points per game. The other players are all averaging less than five points and 12 minutes. Noel is out this season due to a knee injury.

Bennett, the No. 1 overall pick of the Cleveland Cavaliers, clearly needed more seasoning at UNLV and I told him as much before he made his decision to declare for the draft.

I live in Las Vegas and I saw most of his freshman year. I wish he would have listened. His NBA rookie season has been marred by being out of shape, injuries and failing to live up to the expectations of being a No. 1 overall pick. Averages of 4.1 points and 2.9 rebounds in 12.7 minutes per game aren’t exactly what the Cavaliers had in mind when they selected him with the top pick.

Will these players ultimately have long and meaningful NBA careers? Time will tell. But all of them would have benefited by staying at least one more year in college.

The first 30 years after the court ruled in my case, there were only three players who came out of high school early: Moses Malone, Darryl Dawkins and Bill Willoughby. Moses bounced around a few teams before becoming an all-time great, but Dawkins had a stagnant, underwhelming career because he wasn’t trained well enough and Willoughby had a marginal eight-year career with six teams.

If you look at the current generation of players from Kevin Garnett to Kobe Bryant to Dwight Howard, only one player was able to make an immediate impact right out of high school — LeBron James.

The NBA is a man’s league. The transition from college to the NBA is huge, on and off the court. The players are faster, stronger and smarter. You’re playing an 82-game schedule, not to mention preseason and if you’re lucky, the playoffs. Suddenly, you’re a teenager going up against the likes of James, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, Carmelo Anthony, Paul George — all men — on a nightly basis.

One and done players need the extra year to successfully transition off the court, too. A lot of these players are still acquiring life skills: Critical thinking, time and money management, self-discipline, moderation and simply learning to say no.


SOME RANDOM HEADLINES: After a season filled with turnover issues, the Thunder finally seem to be getting grip on their most glaring flaw … LaMarcus Aldridge and the Trail Blazers turn the tables and secure a much-needed win over their nemesis from Memphis … After missing 16 straight games is Kevin Garnett finally on his way back to the rotation for the Brooklyn Nets? … The Cavs, who are also chasing Atlanta for that eighth spot in the Eastern Conference standings, are hoping to get Kyrie Irving back sometime this week

ICYMI of the Night:  Brooklyn Nets swingman Joe Johnson doesn’t normally make a fuss when he does his business, but Sunday was a milestone day for the seven-time All-Star, who surpassed the 17,000-point mark for his career …

VIDEO: Joe Johnson hits a career milestone by reaching the 17,000-point mark


  1. okc2014 says:

    I keep saying that the Hawks have waved the white flag of surrender and have given up the 8th seed to whoever wants it. But the Knicks are refusing it and the Cavaliers are going for it. Watch. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids.

  2. Jintan says:

    Paul George is overrated, he’s not still a superstar. He could be someday but time only will tell. Brooklyn will probably be the playoffs surprise this year. West conference playoffs are going to be reaaaally tough, no matter the seed.

    I want to see Phoenix in the playoffs. Seems like one of those that could pull upsets or at least fun to watch, just like GSW last year. I really want to see GSW vs Clippers or Brooklyn vs one of the top 2 of the east.

  3. dustydreamnz says:

    I agree with someone, the Cavs are looking good for the East spot.
    I don’t believe the Pacers are coasting, no doubt they would want the no.1 seed and the Heat are right behind them.
    ZenMasterNY-If the Pacers aren’t a good team then there is 14 bad teams in the East because they are top.

  4. justsayin says:

    ICYMI – “Does his business”? I think you mean “goes about his business.”

    Also, Haywood kind of undercut his argument mentioning Garnett, Bryant, and Howard. Their careers havent exactly been terrible.

    • DoCJ says:

      agree agree agree if nba coaches think there good enough out of high school or 1 year of college that’s there choice

  5. ZenMasterNY says:

    Well , the Pacers are not a good team. They are great defensively but their offense is awful. They don’t use Paul George properly he should be the primary ball handler. He and David West should play pick and pop. Simple stuff they should not have gotten rid of Danny Granger or if they did they should have gotten a point guard that can create easy opportunities for the team . Andre Miller would have been a good fit not Andrew Bynum or Evan Turner. So really the blame for their woes should fall on the shoulders of Larry Bird. He messed up the team chemistry and didn’t add players that will help them win a championship. If they make it to ECF they will lose to the Heat regardless if they had homecourt or not . They are not on the same level at all . The Heat have had 20 different starting line ups ,loads of injuries , don’t really practice and they still have a chance for the best record . What adversity have the Pacers really had? They are falling apart and they haven’t had any real problems.

  6. ko0kiE says:

    if the Knicks are going the make the 8th seed, it’s probably a disadvantage to have the No.1 seed in the east…

    I’ll rather have the 2nd seed and play vs Charlotte and then Toronto/Washington than have the 1st seed and play the Knicks and then Chicago/Brooklyn.

    what do you think?

    • Jack says:

      The 1-seed schedule is going to be tougher than the 2-seed schedule but it does comes with home court advantage in the East finals. For the Pacers, that home court is key to beating the Heat. However, if they get to the East finals banged up against a fresh Miami team, I’m not sure if the one game advantage is such a big advantage. The Bulls, Nets and possibly the Knicks are going to put up quite a fight.

  7. Someone says:

    there is no way in hell Knicks make the playoffs… have you seen their schedule after tonight’s game against Utah?

  8. ApexPredator says:

    Last 1-2 months of the season is normally coasting time for strong teams, the Pacers are no different. They were hot in the beginning and mid season but ran out of gas towards the end, that’s normal. They weren’t expected to be the top team in the East. MIA was predicted early on to take the #1 seed. Once playoffs start they will regain their focus since now they have something to play for thats worth a lot more.

    Note: I don’t yet see Paul George as a superstar, an All-Star but not yet super. He will have to rise in the playoffs when it counts the most. He must be capable of taking his team to the promise land or near it. I predicted him as #3 in the MVP race before season started with #1 LBJ #2 KD. I was off on that prediction. Mid season, I moved Blake Griffin and James Harden over Paul George. The other 2 guys up top you can’t touch until the very end.

    On the other side, MIA is closing in only 1 game behind. They had their season low in Feb-Mar losing to sub-par teams. Why? Their not engaged, Lebron lives by playing against the best even though he still puts up numbers. How does a mega-star get revd up by playing scrubs? The Heat want one thing, 3 PEAT. You will see a different Heat team in the playoffs, I can’t wait for the Conf Finals (projected: Heat vs Pacers) if it happens, the ball is round anything can happen along the way.

    Lakers are done (full rebuild mode) and the Knicks will have to think similar. If Melo makes the 8th seed, it would be a good test for Paul George. Do not sleep on TOR, WAS, or BKN their surging late in the season.

  9. OKC champions 2014-2024 says:

    okc is winning it this year

  10. Celtics fan says:

    Pacers aren’t struggling, they just had a scorching hot start on the season then cooled off at the end.
    PG is considered as superstar yet had games where he scored 2 the whole game. have anyone seen melo KD LBJ score 2 points the whole game? those player would struggle some games but still get 15 points.

    • ko0kiE says:

      he’s not there yet but he’s definitely a star on the rise because he can do it all on both ends of the court… and it certainly helps that he has that flashy style of play which gets attention of the fans.

    • kitten mittens says:

      I like PG but youre right, hes not quite a that level yet

    • kobefanjay says:

      yes Paul George is half hype…for some reason the league likes to push certain players…everyone really jumped on Indiana at the start of the year as if they have never seen a team start hot and fizzle out or a team do awesome in the regular season and be first or second round victims…

  11. JustTheStr8Facts says:

    It truly is like a curse. Seems like everyone they play against decides to have a big night and can’t miss anything. Miami will likely take the top spot and I could easily see the Pacers getting knocked out of the first round. Lord help our Pacers.

    • kobefanjay says:

      its not that the teams arent missing anything…its the pacers cant generate offense so it seems like the other team is sinking everything in comparison