Morning Shootaround — Nov. 28


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NEWS OF THE MORNING

Report: Cavs looking to deal Waiters | Knicks have lengthy postgame talk | ‘Cupgate’ in Brooklyn

No. 1: Report: Cavs shopping Waiters – By just about every statistical measure, Cavs guard Dion Waiters is having a bit of a sophomore slump. His shooting percentage has fallen from 41.2 percent as a rookie to 39.9 percent, and his points per game (13.8) and assists per game (2.3) are down, too. Part of the reason for his drop in numbers might be due to the relationship — or lack thereof — that he has with his teammates. According to ESPN.com’s Chris Broussard, the Cavs are shopping Waiters, who has had some clashes with his teammates this season:

Three teams the Cavaliers are known to have spoken with are the New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls and Philadelphia 76ers, the sources said. The Cavs’ targets are Iman Shumpert in New York, Evan Turner in Philadelphia and Luol Deng in Chicago, sources said.

It is believed Cleveland has reached out to other clubs as well.

Waiters, whom the Cavaliers drafted with the No. 4 pick in 2012, has a contentious relationship with several teammates, including star point guard Kyrie Irving, and sources say he is open to being traded. In fact, although Waiters has not demanded a trade, he brought up the subject in a three-hour meeting last week with coach Mike Brown and general manager Chris Grant, according to sources.

“It’s just nonsense,” Waiters said of the trade rumors following his season-high 24 points in the team’s 95-84 loss to Miami. “There’s been things thrown out there that haven’t been true at all.”

The Cavaliers are looking to shake things up after a 4-11 start. Part of their problem has been the dysfunction in their locker room. Waiters, a 6-foot-4 guard, got into an altercation with forward Tristan Thompson during a players-only meeting after a 29-point loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov. 13, sources said.

Sources described the following account:

Irving called the meeting after the game, and every player spoke. When Waiters was given the floor, he criticized Thompson and Irving, accusing them of playing “buddy ball” and often refusing to pass to him. Thompson took umbrage with Waiters’ words and went back at him verbally. The two confronted each other, but teammates intervened before it could escalate into a fight.

However, Waiters and Irving are not close. Waiters believes the Cavaliers have a double standard when it comes to Irving, sources said. Waiters feels that while Irving is allowed to get away with loafing defensively, making turnovers and taking bad shots, he is taken out of games for such things. Waiters has shared his views with Brown and Grant.


VIDEO: Dion Waiters talks about the trade rumors surrounding him

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No. 2: Knicks hold closed-door meeting after loss to Clips — On the heels of a seventh straight loss — this one coming at the hands of the title-contending Clippers in Los Angeles — the Knicks continue to reel and struggle as much as they have all season. They have the third-worst record in the league and another loss would give New York its longest losing streak since 2010. All that negativity and all those bad vibes led the Knicks to hold a postgame team meeting, writes¬†Arash Markazi of ESPNLosAngeles.com:

After the New York Knicks lost their seventh consecutive game Wednesday night to fall to 3-11 on the season, players and coaches held a 20-minute, closed-door meeting.

“The easiest thing for us to do is just to crumble right now,” Carmelo Anthony said. “We are in a dark place but we have to get out of this. We just have to get out of it.”

“We talked. Everybody talked,” Anthony said. “The players had a meeting, the coaches — everybody had a meeting after the game. We had to talk. We’re trying to figure it out together. We have to put four quarters together. We got to do it for one another. Right now the game is not for nobody. We’re just not making it happen.”

Last season, J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert were two of the big reasons the Knicks won 54 games and advanced to the second round of the playoffs. But both players have struggled this season, and on Wednesday, Smith and Shumpert combined for just nine points on 4-of-14 shooting.

“They have to figure it out, and we have to help them figure it out,” Anthony said. “I really don’t know how we do that but we’re going to keep trying and we’re going to keep trying to figure this out. Them guys have to figure it out on their own, too, and along the way, we all have to be there for one another. The easiest thing would be for us to go our separate ways and separate this team in the locker room but we have to be here for one another right now. The hardest thing to do right now is to remain positive. I know it’s tough but we have to do that.”

Knicks point guard Raymond Felton started Wednesday after missing the previous four games with a back injury, but his return wasn’t enough to improve the team’s fortunes.

“It hurts. It’s something that no team wants,” Felton said. “We don’t want it. We’re not used to it. It’s mind-boggling. I can’t really put it into words. We’ve got to keep fighting. We’ve got to figure this out, someway, somehow.”

“We’re not struggling,” Metta World Peace said. “It’s part of life. You know how life is. We had a bad hair day, you know?”

World Peace signed with the Knicks in the offseason, passing up an opportunity to stay in Los Angeles with the Clippers, largely because of the lure of winning in New York.

“I honestly didn’t even know who the coach was when I was coming to New York,” World Peace said. “I just wanted to win a championship; I didn’t even know who was coaching. I didn’t care. It could have been Aunt Jemima. They could have had the syrup coaching. I was coming here regardless. I just wanted to win a championship here.”

Knicks coach Mike Woodson has come under scrutiny after the team’s poor start but believes they have to have faith in the process and believe they are a win away from turning their season around.

“It’s something we haven’t experienced the last two years but we just have to stay the course,” Woodson said. “This is no time to panic and feel that you can’t get out of it. You win one game and that gets your confidence back going and there’s no telling what can happen so we just have to stay the course, keep grinding and see what happens.”


VIDEO: Carmelo Anthony talks about the Knicks’ postgame meeting

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No. 3: Did Kidd intentionally spill his soda? — The Lakers seemingly had last night’s game against the Nets in Brooklyn in hand, building a lead to as much as 27 points. But the Nets surged back in the second half and managed to tie the game late in the fourth quarter. With 8.3 seconds left in the game and L.A. nursing a 96-94 lead, Nets coach Jason Kidd spilled his soda in a move some are questioning whether it was intentional or not, writes Mike Mazzeo of ESPNNewYork.com:

With 8.3 seconds left in Wednesday’s game against the Los Angeles Lakers and his team out of timeouts, Kidd, who was holding a cup of soda, appeared to say “hit me” to point guard Tyshawn Taylor in order to stop the game so the team could draw up a last-second offensive play.

After Lakers guard Jodie Meeks made the first of a pair of free throws, giving his team a 96-94 lead, Taylor walked toward Kidd near the sideline and collided with his coach, who was holding a cup of soda at the time. The cup of soda spilled on to the court. While it was being cleaned up, the coaching staff drew up a last-second play. Taylor was subbed out of the game for forward Mirza Teletovic.

Adding to the chaos of the moment, while Nets assistant John Welch drew up the team’s final play, two Lakers appeared to be in the middle of the huddle.

Meeks then made the second free throw, and on the ensuing Brooklyn possession, small forward Paul Pierce missed a 3-pointer that would’ve tied the game with 2.2 seconds remaining. The Nets ended up losing to the Lakers 99-94 at Barclays Center.

“Cup slipped out of my hand while I was getting Ty,” Kidd said of “Cupgate.” “Sweaty palms. I was never good with the ball.

“In the heat of the battle, you’re trying to get guys in and out of the game, and the cup fell out of my hand.”

Video replays appeared to show Kidd saying “Hit me,” something Taylor flatly denied.

Said Taylor: “No [Kidd didn’t say that]. I wasn’t paying attention. I just kind of bumped him. I didn’t even know he was holding [anything]. [But] coach was drinking a soda on the sideline. I was like, ‘What’s he doing?’

“It could ice a free throw shooter and be a timeout when you don’t have one, but that wasn’t the thought process. I was just coming out, and he was in my way. ‘Coach, get out of my way, bro.’ “


VIDEO: Jason Kidd spills his soda during the closing moments of the Lakers-Nets game

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SOME RANDOM HEADLINES: The Sixers got Thaddeus Young back in the lineup last night after he had missed some games due to a family issue … Andris Biedrins is practicing with the Jazz, but his return date is unknownKendall Marshall, the 13th pick of the 2012 Draft, will enter the NBA Development League

ICYMI Of The Night: Bulls forward Carlos Boozer gets a lot of (deserved) flak for how he defends the paint. After what Rodney Stuckey did to him, I doubt we’ll see him contest a shot again anytime soon …


VIDEO: Rodney Stuckey gets up to dunk it over Carlos Boozer

79 Comments

  1. Bodjee says:

    Waiters plus a Canadian for Gay!

  2. dave says:

    smashing performance

  3. ELISEO SORIANO OLDPATH says:

    ANTHONY BENNET no.1 pick is he a BUST???

  4. jorge says:

    DIDNT HE FAKED INJURY ONCE WHILE HE WAS A PLAYER. DONT LIKE KIDD. HE WAS A DIRTY SNEAKY PLAYER. THE ONLY GOOD THING IS HE WONT MAKE IT TO THE END OF THE SEASON.

  5. Tim says:

    Lesson. Knicks should have cut Melo and made Jeremy Lin their leader. But stupid, dumb rich people who run basketball teams apparently can’t help but to cater to the empty demands of selfish, entitled brat athletes who don’t have the character to be winners.

  6. BlaBla says:

    Kidd could get for flopping ;)

  7. DM says:

    I can tell you anthony why this is happening.. Cause you keep hogging the ball. Ive seen them up by a lot of points in the 4th and he starts to not share the ball. He’ll never win a championship.

  8. Shawn Kemp No. 1 says:

    Waiters is right. Irving has been TERRIBLE this year, 40% fg, shoots whenever he wants from stupid positions and he’s turning it over a lot. Maybe he took it literally when people say “It’s his team”. That Deng trade can be good for both teams, but he Irving doesn’t stop thinking he’s bigger than the team, the Cavs will be in the running for another no.1 pick

  9. tdot gm says:

    how bout waiters to the raptors… DONT SLIP

  10. LBJmyKING says:

    HEAT GET ASIK!!!

  11. James says:

    Cavs should trade Waiters for Turner. The Cavs don’t really have a good shooting guard so that’s why they need Turner.

  12. BOJI says:

    I think the Bulls-Cavs trade would be the best for both teams. Deng would be a great addition to the Cavs young squad, he’ll bring veteran wisdom to those rascals in Ohio. On the other hand, Bulls never had a great 2 guard ever since MJ retires, and since D. Rose is done this season, they could use Waiters well. He seems hungry anyways. My only concern is that if I were to trade Deng, I ask for another player in addition to Waiters, a big man perhaps, Mohammed is kinda getting old. If not, a draft pick perhaps.

  13. Rhedz says:

    Kidd made that move intentionally to save the game…sadly it didnt work..a cheap shot by kidd..dirty or not i honestly would have done it if i was in his shoes. Its okey for kidd to do this things, but you wont see doc, spoe, phil or pop doing what kidd did…if ya catch my drift.

    On the otherhand, waiters should just go to nuggets or kings or hawks or lakers or spurs.

    new york needs to back down abit in order to move forward. Coach is good, its just that the players are having their bad days…hopefully they can unload stoudemire, prigioni, felton for let say a forward in the like of iggy or leonard and a guard like rubio, barea.

  14. pacquiaoverated says:

    don’t worry Knicks there may not be Jeremy Lin anymore but Ron Jeremy is going to help you out! fits the team so well

  15. pacquiaoverated says:

    Dion waiters is a joke he’s just in his second year yet acting like Kobe, he is just going to be like another isiah rider or marburry or what talent is there but he will be just another player who complains about anything

  16. dustydreamnz says:

    The more I think about the Waiters trade the more I think he will go to New York.

  17. tyson says:

    bring jlin back

  18. John says:

    Trade shumpert for waiters!!!!!! Waiters can score, provides speed, and is a tall guard who can defend. Shumpert will be rehabbing his knee like stoudimire the rest of his career with a torn ACL

  19. Magic says:

    This time, there won’t be another Jeremy Lin to save Nicks behind!!!

  20. jokolopoyonomokojokolo says:

    Kidd has been suspended for one drinking problem and fined for another.

  21. Tom says:

    Metta went to the Knicks to win a championship….. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  22. Sky says:

    Kidd is not Knicks coach.

    Focus

  23. moneyinthebank says:

    waiters for luol deng? as a 20 year bulls fan i say lets do it….wer gonna lose deng for nothing and waiters has bulk potential, plus he’ll be entering a locker room that is so regimented and structured that he’ll thrive under thibs….plus he’ll have a chance to become the new #2 scorer on this team

  24. Bill Kovacs says:

    I wonder if Pierce, Garnett and J Terry wish they had stayed in Boston!! Watching these three is really painful. I have been a Celtics fan all my life , and I have suffered through some tough seasons. It will take some time , but the Celtics will be back. I would like to see more of Marshon Brooks , I think he could be a major factor with some regular playing time.

  25. jonathan c says:

    Knicks better trade shumper for waiters us a gift from the cavs !

  26. BlackDove- says:

    even if amare scores 25 a night…. he’s going to give up 35 on the other end. so playing him more ant gonna work.

  27. silencio says:

    Dion waiters talks like MIke tyson… when tyson is drunk.

  28. ak says:

    HAHAHa OKC Kidd coaches the nets so much misinformation on here.

  29. Jim Muncy says:

    I had my daughter come in and watch just what Kidd said without any context. I said, “Read Kidd’s lips and tell me what you think he said. She knew nothing about the context and she said, “‘Get me’ or something like that.” I think he said hit me. I am just saying.

  30. okc2014 says:

    We can’t solve the Knicks problem. They know what it is and are not being open about it. They can fix it. But they won’t because of egos. Too bad so sad. This will be Jason Kidd’s last year as their coach.

    • MGL says:

      Knicks contenders ? yeah they are contenders for last PO spot. as for the Brooklyn , they shouldn’t had taken KG, considering his mileage and the will to compete he left in Boston, they should shop him.

  31. Waz says:

    Ben Affleck would be proud. It’s safe to say the academy won’t be calling Jason any time soon.

  32. its a flop says:

    IT’S A FLOP

  33. DOMINICANO says:

    carmelo have to leave the nick is way too good for that team

  34. ralph says:

    that was intentionally done by coach kidd. his lips clearly said … HIT ME!!!

  35. stvek says:

    OMFG the knick should take the deal asap waiter > shumpert

  36. dustydreamnz says:

    Yep, Kidd intentionally spilt it. Watch his eyes, he knew exactly where he was going.
    I think Waiters would be a great pick up IF he fits in on another team, he looked good at the start of the season.

  37. dj says:

    Evan Turner for Dion Waters would be solid, Turner can play SG and SF and will bring some defensive toughness. Also Dion Waiters along with Carter-Williams and Noel would be a nice future for Philly. But to be honest Cleveland should try to intervene before trading him, these guys are young and should realize they have a HUGE ceiling. But if guys don’t click then they just don’t click, seems to be a theme this season.

  38. Game Time says:

    Someone needs to let Metta know bad hair days shouldn’t last a month.

  39. Kk says:

    Well played Kidd,. They should make a basketball commercial,. Something’s has to do with hit me baby… .;)

    • PetrGSW says:

      For real, that was funny, way he stands around the towel boys trying to look like he didnt mean to…Would have been great if Pierce made it, now its just a waste of 50k.

  40. Unkle Daddy says:

    Man, first they take Anthony Bennett as the first pick (waste, who didn’t see that coming) and now there two guard wants out, Why because he gets out shined by Kyrie Irving every night, I’m sick of these spoiled kids, they need to grow up, your getting paid a lot of money just to play a game. If he wants out I say call the Kings, shoot for two of these three guys in a trade Jimmer Fredette, Marcus Thornton or Jason Thompson.

    • icecreamman says:

      LOL, why post about a situation you know nothing about.
      If Waiters is traded it’s because the Cavs organization is trying to better complement Kyrie. (Which would be a terrible mistake) If you watch the Cavs, Dion has clearly had more good games than Kyrie has.

  41. KNICKS LISTEN TO THIS says:

    FIRED NYK Head coach RIGHT NOW!

    nuff said

    • LBJKIN6JAMES says:

      Woodson would be gone right now if it wasn’t for Melo .. Melo has the power to fire any coach he wants .. but for some reason he likes Woodson.

  42. X says:

    lbj do you think only miami heat have won championships in nba
    Don’t you remember when 36 year old J.Kidd beat you king

    • LBJthaking!!!! says:

      Hmmmm but lebron handled it pretty well for the whole world hating him and booing him evry second and still brought miami to the finals. Lebron would destroy kidd 1v1

  43. Hugh says:

    No, no, no! As a Bulls fan we’ve seen how useless a 6’4 2-guard can be on “D”. Anyone remember Ben Gordon????

    • wadefan says:

      Wade is a 6’4″ guard and one of the best defenders. Chalmers is good too. Chris Paul anyone? Derrick Rose can shut ya down too, Lance Stephenson did a great job on lebron, Kobe is a pro, george hill, jimmie butler and Tony Allen. Iverson, Gary Payton and many more.

      • Derrick says:

        Wadefan, he said a 2 guard…. Chris paul, Derrick Rose, George Hill, Gary Partyon all point guards… Lance Stephenson 6’5, Jimmy Butler 6’7, Allen Iverson…. is Allen Iverson, one of a kind….. Nice try, trying to challenge Hugh.

      • EFA says:

        Wade and Tony Allen I will pay for sure, the rest are either bigger than 6″4, point guards or both. As for Iverson, good to great in the lanes but a below average man defender, partly due to his size.

  44. jennmouse32 says:

    Tell how does a team go up 96-94 then lose 99-94… how did they lose the two points??? (Brooklyn/ Lal game)

  45. junu0507 says:

    He must be Kiddin’

  46. lbj says:

    if Kidd ever wants to win a championship he needs to come to MIAMI to play with the KING

    And because he can’t coach he should just come out of retirement and play PG

    PG: KIDD
    SG: WADE
    SF: THE KING
    PF: BOSH
    C: ANTHONY

    • lakerslakerslakers says:

      kidd beat lebron in the NBA finals 2 years ago and won his ring lol

      • LBJthaking!!!! says:

        Ya well that was luck and its still amazing that the very first year Lebron joins miami they make it to the finals

      • Rap fan 2 says:

        I think the main difference was having Tyson Chandler. Look at what’s happening in NY after he goes out.

    • Mavsfan says:

      Just proof that most Heat fans are bandwagon fans. “If Kidd ever wants to win a championship…” Doesn’t even know Kidd won a championship with the Mavs against the Heat in 2011.

      • skrutz says:

        This guy is a troll. He says this every time, regardless of what the article is about. Apparently every single superstar, ever, should join the Heat. Not sure if he’s a real fan (a bit brain damaged, if true) or just trolling to get us all mad.

      • LBJthaking!!!! says:

        Ummm we hav the best player on our team. Come on get over it. Lebron James is everywher and he’s getting better he wuld smask Kidd anyday

      • CP3#1PG says:

        LBJ just stopping putting your fingers on a keyboard, though I know you cant resist. To be honest, your stupidity did make me laugh.

    • mikexin says:

      as a die hard Miami heat fan..you need to stop with all that nonsense, first Kidd won against our team in 2011, second just because he’s a big name don’t mean he needs to come to Miami, this is more then just bring in big names to play, everyone who came into the Heat fits the style of play and the way the team works. Watching them play has been fun not because they’re just big stars scoring everytime, but u can see them playing as a team. Stop with the every player needs to come to the Heat, the Heat is fine right now the way they are…the chemistry does not need to be messed with

      • So weird... says:

        …it’s like you guys (except skrutz) have never been on nba.com before – this guy has posted this, or a variation of this on every post. It’s CALLED TROLLING. Sigh.

    • A-ROB says:

      Comments like this disgust me and prove that a lot of Heat fans aren’t even real basketball fans

  47. tapk8 says:

    Kidd that was completly on purpose …. Just wow

  48. hammar22 says:

    The NY Knickerbockers have to realize that it’s impossible to compete when injurers are overwhelming but have to go back the basic’s to restart their drive to compete. The Coach should put Worldpeace into the starting line up along with Stodamire.
    No matter who left out that’s the way it should be.

  49. OKC says:

    I wouldn’t want Waiters screwing up my locker room =/.

  50. Once upon a time T-Mac says:

    WTF, Waiters??? The man is talking like Brad Pitt in Snatch, you can’t understand the single word he says… :O

  51. The spill soda incident was a joke!
    Sorry to say this, but it’s time for Jason Kidd to pack his bags! Nets look horrible on the floor at this moment and it’s not because of the injury of DW & BL.

    Try George Karl or Lionel Hollins if you need a coach with experience & better strategy.

    And if you want a younger person as a coach bring back the Little General.

    There are better options then letting Jason Kidd stay.

  52. mike says:

    That was a great effort by the Nets, and it should put the rest of the NBA on alert when an opposing team can surmount nearly a 30 point deficit against you. You can infer the inverse of that observation to be that they have the potential to shut you out.

  53. grantstern says:

    Its only Thanksgiving and 3 myths have already imploded:

    1. LeBron’s not going to the Cavs
    2. The Knicks aren’t winning a championship
    3. Jason Kidd is an NBA coach