Labor Talks: Your Move … Owners

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HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS — It’s hard to believe that the NBA lockout has been going on for more than four months and we’re just now getting down to the real negotiating in the past four days.

Seriously, it has taken us all this time to get down to business. The owners submitted their proposal and issued their ultimatum Saturday with a deadline that expires and the “end of business” (5 p.m. ET) today. The players rejected it Tuesday. And here we are, hours away from that deadline with the ball, and the hope for a season sooner rather than later, in the owners’ court.

The players are willing to meet again to get what they say is a “fair” deal. They insist they are willing to negotiate on system issues and made it clear last night that they are willing to jump on the 50-50 split, provided the owners give on some of the system issues that have become sticking points.

That sounds like an offer to negotiate to us.

(As of Wednesday morning, per tweets from ESPN.com’s Chris Broussard and Yahoo! Sports’ Marc J. Spears, the sides appear to be working on a meeting this afternoon in New York. Additionally, The Associated Press reported the sides would meet in small groups — although they could include players still in the city after yesterday’s NBPA meeting — sometime today.)

But are the owners willing to budge on their stance and perhaps extend tonight’s deadline? Are the owners willing to concede at all on the system issues to save the season? Are they willing to take their blowout victory and show a little mercy now that they know the major battles have been won?

Those are fair questions. Why should one side be expected to move off while the other does not?

The drumbeat the players heard in the wake of that weekend ultimatum was that it was time for them to face reality and prepare to surrender in order to save the season. Shouldn’t the same apply to the owners in the minutes and hours leading up to this afternoon’s deadline?

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Zach Lowe of SI.com: The NBA players’ union has called David Stern’s bluff — and it’s done so with a smile. Facing a take-it-or-leave-it deadline amid rumors of reserved conference rooms for negotiations on Wednesday and the possible cancellation of games through Christmas (a rumor the league denied), union officials met here Tuesday and made it clear they wouldn’t accept owners’ latest offer. They also made it clear they’re not too worried about Stern’s 5 p.m. Wednesday deadline, when the commissioner will supposedly pull the current offer and replace it with a harsher one. The union put on a united face Tuesday, saying it barely discussed the possibility of decertifying and hinting that it will almost certainly meet with owners Wednesday in a last-ditch effort to make a deal. When Bill Clinton, who was in town to promote his new book, Back to Work (the irony!), strode through the hotel lobby after the press conference, the players were practically giddy. “You’re with the players’ union now!” vice president Mo Williams shouted. “He’s with us!” The players essentially kept things status quo, which is newsworthy considering the clock ticking on Stern’s ultimatum. They emerged from the room with a clear message: We have volunteered to take 51 percent of the league’s $4 billion in basketball-related income (BRI) instead of the 57 percent we used to get, and we would even go down to 50-50, but we will not bend any more on the structure of the salary cap and luxury tax. “Without improvements in the system,” union president Derek Fisher said, “we don’t see a way of getting a deal done between now and the end of business tomorrow.”

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Ken Berger of CBSSports.com: Union chief Billy Hunter said Tuesday he’s “cool” with Paul Pierce leading a decertification movement within the National Basketball Players Association and is “not at all opposed” to the Celtics star taking the lead. “I think Paul is kind of frustrated with the process,” Hunter said after a news conference in which the players said they were rejecting the league’s latest take-it-or-leave-it proposal. “Paul has been at the bargaining table and he doesn’t feel that we’ve been making any kind of progress. And so he thought that maybe that’s necessary. We don’t have a lot of options and that’s the option Paul was pushing – still is pushing.” Asked in a small group of reporters if he’s cool with that, Hunter said, “Of course. Listen, I’m cool with Paul and all these guys. I think it’s very important. I’m happy that Paul and the others are involved in the process. That’s always been the problem with athletes, that a lot of stuff is foisted on them and they have no input. Paul has been actively engaged, he understands, he’s been in five or six of our negotiating sessions, he talks to me, and when they had the (decertification) calls, he called and let me know that they were having the calls. And I said, ‘Hey, I’m not at all opposed to you doing that.’ … I endorse what Paul did.” Hunter later said in an interview on NBA TV that Pierce informed him Tuesday that about 200 players have committed to signing a petition seeking a decertification election if a deal is not consummated before commissioner David Stern’s 5 p.m. ET Wednesday deadline to accept the owners’ latest proposal — which includes the same 50-50 split of revenues the union is now prepared to accept. With owners almost certainly following through on their threat to forward a worse proposal to the players if they didn’t accept the one on the table, the talks could be thrust into chaos even if Hunter is successful in securing another bargaining session Wednesday. Once the decertification petition is filed with the National Labor Relations Board, the players seeking to dissolve the union would have to wait 45-60 days for the agency to hold an election — a period during which negotiations with the NBPA could continue.

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Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports: As one ownership source told Yahoo! Sports on Monday night, “If there were a couple of tweaks needed around the edges – not fundamental deal points – I believe there could be a deal if everything else is agreed upon. But there needs to be a meeting with David and Billy for anything to happen.” Fisher and Hunter indicated the union is willing to compromise on the proposed revenue split between the owners and players if the owners drop their demands for some specific system changes. “Without those improvements in the system we don’t see a way to get a deal done between now and the end of business [Wednesday] evening,” Fisher said. The union wants teams that cross the luxury tax threshold to still be allowed to use sign-and-trades and the regular midlevel exception to acquire players. Union officials also want the financial penalty for repeat tax offenders decreased and changes in the owners’ proposed escrow system. “There are things in the system … that we have to have, in order to be able to get this season going again,” Fisher said. The Players Association offered to drop its revenue split to 51 percent on Saturday. Hunter surprised some in Saturday’s mediation session when he suggested the players might be willing to drop to a 50-50 split, even when they had just stated their position as 51, sources in the room told Y! Sports.

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Marcos Breton of the Sacramento Bee: The NBA, like all major sports leagues, is bloodthirsty when protecting its interests. So far in their labor talks, league owners have routed players by seeming unsatisfied with partial victories. They want it all: Big salary rollbacks, shorter contracts, restricted player movement, taxes on big-money teams that spend a lot on acquiring players and other demands too numerous to cite here. Stern said players have to give on all these issues by today – or else. In arena negotiations with cities like Sacramento, the NBA also has wanted it all. In Indianapolis, Memphis, Charlotte and other places, the communities took most of the financial risks while the league reaped most of the financial benefits. If the NBA expects to win such a rout in Sacramento, the entire arena effort is at risk. Very soon, city officials will know whether they can rely on city parking revenue to help generate the kind of money needed to fund an arena costing $400 million or more. AEG, the sports and entertainment titan controlling facilities across the globe, seems poised to invest millions in a Sacramento arena. City staff, officials and local leaders have worked endless hours to explore whether this arena deal is possible. It’s been a massive effort to prove that Sacramento wants to make this happen. But will the NBA and the Kings be willing to put money up for an arena construction deal as Sacramento and AEG seemed poised to do? Or will they string Sacramento out, play it against Anaheim or some other city and then try to blow up the deal while pinning the blame on Sacramento? They play that way when it suits them.

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Amy Shipley of The Washington Post: There were no talks between the sides Tuesday as tension over the four-month-old labor dispute remained high. All games through Nov. 30 have been canceled. Jeffrey Kessler, a prominent attorney for the players, accused the owners of treating his clients like “plantation workers,” a comment that drew a furious response from Stern. Kessler said the owners’ current offer to give the players half of basketball-related income was not a “fair deal” and that the soft salary cap functioned like a hard cap. “To present that in the context of ‘take it or leave it,’ in our view, that is not good faith,” Kessler, who also represented the NFL players in their labor dispute with the NFL, said in a telephone interview Monday night. “Instead of treating the players like partners, they’re treating them like plantation workers.” In a phone call Tuesday, Stern blamed Kessler for the stalled talks and said he deserved to be “called to task” for the remark. “Kessler’s agenda is always to inflame and not to make a deal,” Stern said, “even if it means injecting race and thereby insulting his own clients. . . . He has been the single most divisive force in our negotiations and it doesn’t surprise me he would rant and not talk about specifics. Kessler’s conduct is routinely despicable.” The vitriol surely won’t help close the gap. “It certainly is dire,” Stern said about the stalemate.

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Chris Sheridan of Sheridanhoops.com: NBA players want one more meeting with commissioner David Stern and the owners. And although they are probably not willing to say “pretty-please,” they are willing to pay for the privilege. Making the surprising declaration that they are prepared to make further financial concessions (goodbye, 51 percent), team representatives from the NBA players union said Tuesday they still want to make a deal, and they still want to make it by tomorrow, as long as it is fair. Union director Billy Hunter said he will likely call Stern on the phone tonight to ask for the meeting, which would be held — if Stern says OK — in the hours leading up to the commissioner’s “close of business Wednesday” deadline for the union to accept the current offer on the table or have it replaced by a new offer under which the players would receive only 47 percent of revenues. Quite clearly, the union is anxious to give this one more shot. What is unclear is whether the owners will be willing to budge on many of the salary cap system issues that are keeping the sides apart. … Owners have offered the players a 50-50 split, and the players came down from their demand for 52.5 percent of revenues to 51 percent during last Saturday’s ill-fated bargaining session. The one percent difference represents $40 million annually in a business that brought in $4.2 billion in revenues last season. “We’re open about potential compromises on financials, but there are certain things in the system we have to have,” Fisher said. “Of course players want to get a deal done, we’ve gotten thousands of those calls, but not by any means necessary.”

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Harvey Araton of The New York Times: Those who have worked closely with Stern and who recognize that the players have made significant concessions this time around believe that he would have already cut a deal if past conditions still prevailed. “This is a very different economic situation than he’s had,” said Russ Granik, the former N.B.A. deputy commissioner and now a vice chairman of Galatioto Sports Partners, which advises pro teams and leagues on finances. “When the dynamics end up being more important than the economics, it’s the hardest kind of dispute to resolve.” And Stern winds up looking more like the provocateur than the pragmatist, though Granik added: “If he was concerned about his legacy, he would have walked away, retired a year ago. Everyone knew this was coming.” Those who know Stern said he would not have left the current mess to Adam Silver, who replaced Granik as deputy and could be Stern’s eventual replacement. For his part, Stern said he understood and accepted the heightened rhetoric and news media criticism that are parts of any contentious labor showdown. Regarding the most inflammatory of comments — HBO’s Bryant Gumbel’s likening him to “some kind of modern plantation overseer” — Stern sighed and called it “an occupational hazard.” But he didn’t leave it there because here, finally, was an attack not on the commissioner’s persona, but on his core person. “I have worked harder for inclusiveness and diversity than he could ever understand,” Stern said. “So when I heard what he said I sat back and waited for the e-mails from the people who know me, who have worked with me.”

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Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star: Indiana Pacers swingmen Danny Granger and Dahntay Jones reached out to many of their teammates to get their thoughts on the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement offer before heading to New York for their meeting Tuesday. The consensus, according to Jones, was that they considered the league’s offer unacceptable. “Most people were abreast of the situation and knew what was at stake,” Jones said in a telephone interview after the players’ association meeting. “We were all on the same page according to how we felt about the deal.” The players’ union rejected the deal and hopes to meet with NBA officials in an attempt to put an end to the lockout, which has already caused the preseason and first month of the regular season to be canceled. “We knew the deal wasn’t what we wanted, but I wanted to know how bad the deal was,” Jones said. “We can get past the 50-50 (revenue split), but the (luxury tax and salary cap) system is so bad in the proposal that they left us no choice but to turn it down. “Hopefully, the system issues can be tweaked and it’ll be something we can work with and get a deal done.”

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Ben Maller of The Post Game: If a professional sports league cancels games and nobody is around to care about it, does it really matter? An overwhelming 76 percent of respondents to a new scientific survey said they aren’t missing the National Basketball Association during the work stoppage. The lockout is now 130 days old, with the first full month of games canceled, yet a majority of Americans haven’t spent too much time crying in their beer over the bickering hoop stars. Only 12 percent are upset the games have gone away and another 12 percent couldn’t get off the fence and come up with an opinion. Race is a big dividing line in who is missing the NBA around the country. Only 8 percent of whites miss pro basketball, with 83 percent saying they don’t care about the loss of games. African-Americans feel much differently, with 26 percent saying they do miss NBA games, and 57 percent who don’t care, according to a scientifically conducted telephone survey of 1,179 registered voters nationwide by PollPosition.com … Men and women have pretty similar opinions about not watching LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and Blake Griffin. The survey reports 72 percent of men weren’t upset about the postponed start to the NBA season, while 80 percent of women said they don’t miss NBA games. Only 8 percent of the ladies want pro hoops back asap. Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 are most brokenhearted about the canceled games. In the younger demographic, 29 percent say they’re missing games, 53 percent are not, and 18 percent without a strong a point of view either way. Generation X misses the NBA games the least, with 83 percent responding that they couldn’t care less about missed games, as opposed to 7 percent who do and 10 percent who had no opinion.

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45 Comments

  1. Zip says:

    I disagree that the sides should meet half way. The two sides aren’t fighting over how to split profits because the NBA is not profitable; they can’t simply draw a line down the middle and say this half is yours and this half is mine.The NBA is running a business and that business has to be profitable–right now it’s not. The NBA can only make concessions to a point where they can run a profitable business. Every NBA player makes money. They come into these negotiations with a 100% guarantee of making a net profit every year. They have to be aware that the people who employ them have to have a working business model to continue running this league. They can’t expect to continue to make the same kind of money while the league fails.

    When it comes to BRI, I understand that going from 57% to 50% seems like a big concession, but the players need to realize that it’s not a concession because the old deal doesn’t exist anymore. It expired. It’s done. They can’t give up 57% because they have no claim to that number anymore. That deal was made almost a decade ago in different economic circumstances. Obviously, things have changed. What the players need is to except a deal based on today’s league and today’s economic circumstances.

    The bottom line is that the NBA is loosing money and that’s bad business. The NBA needs a business model that is sustainable into the future and that is not possible by simply looking at what both sides want and picking a point in the middle.

  2. Josiah says:

    The owners are the investors of course they have the right to be greedy. How would you feel investing millions and then have your employees telling you how you should disburse their money. The owners are the business people so thats expected but the players should not be getting even half of the BRI. Does your boss share 50% of his business earnings with the staff? uh no. The players have no leverage if the season the players are the one that will loose the most

    • shhh says:

      our company does not even give back more than 10% to our employees’ union.

      actually based on what i have read, a good number of these people supporting the players thought that the % they are fighting about is the % the players give up off their salary.

  3. Get on with the GAME! says:

    I’d rather see hungry players with a little humility. LeBron is a disgrace to athletes. Ditto for all the other huge egomaniac jerks who can’t just be grateful for the millions they are making instead of the real option…a job at Mickey Ds. You guys are idiots. Shut up, take the money and get back to work so that everyone else who depends on the nba for a living doesn’t get screwed.

  4. Kevin says:

    I dont understand why there’s people thinking that the players are THE GREEDY ONES.

    As far as I know, we have a bunch of billionaires and supermillionaires owners, so… I dont understand why they are b!tch!ng about 3% or 1%

    • Ron says:

      You sound like the under-educated guys the person above was refeering to. The owners lost 1.5 BILLION during the just compleated 6 year contract. Even at 50/50 I think they will still lose money unless they put the playes up at motel 6 and go back to commercial flights.

  5. Bobby says:

    Bottom line is Economy is not looking good, and owners are losing money left and right. Players have to understand that it’s time that everybody sacrifices to some extend and keep the NBA alive.

    I am taking owners side but I do believe teams are struggling to make money while players are getting tons of money.

  6. Josiah says:

    Come on players, you guys continue to say that you all play the game for the love of the sport but this whole situation proves that its about the money for you guys. They spoiled you guys with that 57% and why are you blaming the owners they are the ones putting all the money in. Players look at it this way, if there is no season the owners loses nothing they will have the money that they planned to invest what will you guys have? NOTHING!! I say if the players decide not to agree to a deal then to hell with it. let the players go. And come and recruit me and 450 others like me who is willing to take even 25% of that 4 billion. People will still watch basketball even though there is no D-Wade Lebron or Kobe. We fans watch the game for the love of the game not for the players. Cause those players disappoint us all the time so who cares if we don’t have any greedy “superstars”. The owners have the right to propose what ever deal they want because they have to protect their investment. They are the only ones that can be greedy because they are in this for the business the players suppose to be in this for the love of the fans and the sport. I wonder if we fans decide not to show up to any games how is anyone going to get paid.

  7. Brad from Canada says:

    Disgusting!!! I am done with trying to support & defend NBA players against attacks they often come under from hockey fans. It looks to me that most of the things that people are saying about them is right. They are indeed little more than a bunch of street punks, that care more about $$$ than the well being & fututre of the sport. It appears that my friends were right about them being quite posssibly the bottom of the barrel in terms of IQ in pro sport! Im done with the NBA, may watch the playoffs, thats about it. Im going back to a real sport, full of real men, with character, heart, that care about more than themselves: Hockey Baby! Goodbye NBA! I hope everyone else follows my lead & makes these undereducated, piss poorly raised, street punks pay for their stupidity! This is not a rap video you losers, its not about getn yours( which is all you care about), its about the future odf the sport.(somethings you dumb punks dont care about)

  8. Corey says:

    Anyone that says this is about greed is a clown plain and simple. I don’t know how you give up almost 10 percent of your income and you are greedy because you don’t want to give up more. Anyone in the position of these players would fight for a system that is fair plain and simple. Is the economy of the world in a bad shape yup…but what does that have to do with an industry that is growing. Not much. I agree there needs to be change, but how can you tell me that the player agree to drop 280 million dollars off their salaries or 2.8 billion over the coarse of the new collective bargaining agreement and also another 800k because on the mid level exception or another 8 mil over the CBA represents people being greedy. People have to start being realistic. This is a business first and foremost and these athletes don’t have 40 years to make their retirement fund. They have 3-5 years on average. So they got to get what they can when they can and hope they don’t mess up their money after that.

    You have to remember this is a lockout not a strike. The players are not refusing to work they are not being aloud to work. Just like any Union, whether it be an automotive, teachers, or trade it is responsible for trying to get the fairest deal, based on their industry, for the members of the Union. Anyone here would expect no less from their Union, yet we curse the players because they make a good amount of money.

    You call the players crazy and greedy, I believe crazy is working for a multi-billion dollar company and being the direct result in that company making hundreds of millions of dollars and then going home with 60k a year and being satisfied. Its not the players fault that people have become accustomed to undervaluing themselves in the work force.

    I say to the players get your deal and make sure you like the terms cause you are going to be stuck with it for the next 10 years!

    • K@T says:

      Well said!

    • Ron says:

      You mean like the postal works! The one’s that touch the mail make about 50,000 a year, and the one’s that don’t touch the mail make double and triple, and the board that holds them back makes 4 or 5 times the real workers. And the federal goverment steals the money, We are being forced to pay another tax by the crooks in congress. Is that what you mean? I don’t feel sorry for most of the players The average salary in the NBA last year was 5.2 million Most people work almost 50 years and come close to making 1 million Even if you only have 4 years in the NBA if you are smart and invest wisely you are set for life. 70 percent of NBA players 5 years after leaving the NBA owe more money than they have. SPEND WISELY

  9. Enough says:

    Jeffrey Kessler: “Instead of treating the players like partners, they’re treating them like plantation workers.”

    They are treating them like employees. They are not partners and this is not slavery. The difference between being a slave and being an employee is freedom to leave. As far as I know, Stern doesn’t chain the players up after each game. The owners may be bad employers, but let’s not pretend that this something it isn’t. Did you see the article about the arena worker from Portland. http://ijustwriteright2.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/usher-confidential/ That guy is getting the short end of the stick. I think the problem is that the players had a great deal going and now they can’t bear to lose that. I bet that if the old CBA had offered 40% BRI and a hard salary cap, they would think this new offer looked pretty sweet. I think that is why fans can’t relate to what the players are upset about, it’s all relative. To the players, they are losing money, to the fans they are making more money than they can imagine.

    • tide23 says:

      the nba is different then alot of jobs. wal-mart could easily replace you and keep they’re money rolling,you need them more than they need you,in the nba without those unique talents nobody gets paid,don’t forget that the players have to divide that 50% with 450 other players and there are only 30 owners and that that 50% doesn’t include the revenue sharing the owners have already agreed to do,i was just using walmart as a example they could pay there employees a lot more but because of supply and demand they don’t.

      • shhh says:

        i don’t know what you’re trying to explain, you don’t make sense.

      • Ron says:

        Do the players want to sleep at motel 6 and fly commercial flights? I didn’t think so. It was in the paper a few days ago 900 people work in the Rose garden on nights the Blazers play.
        Who pays them? DUH! The owners do. Hugh per dium for the playes Practice gyms, charter flights, top cabin motels, Coaches, office staff, It just goes on and on. No wonder the owners lost 1.5 billion over the last 6 years. THINK

    • Ron says:

      40 percent sounds perfect. And the teams in big markets can spend over 60 million a year for salary everyone else can spend 70 million. Now let’s see if the plays all want to go to LA or New York etc.

  10. Andy says:

    I can’t help but feel that while the owners are perceived greedy, they actually are trying to put their houses in order. At the end of the day if that many franchises are in debt then something HAS to be done – or you’ll wind up with 8 teams contesting the entire season.

    The NBA has been the pinnicle of basketball for years – where the best players play and most exciting action happens… I think the players need to conceed and get back to giving the fans what they want.

    As I have seen blogged here before – not many companies offer employees 50% of related income… and these guys are not on an inconsiderable salary!!

    Take the deal and lets all get on with looking forward to tip off…. hopefully before Christmas!!

  11. David says:

    How will letting players choose where they want to go help small market teams be competitive? Do the players know that this deal won’t get done because no one wants to have only 4 Miami heat type teams. Its not good for the market overall. Unless the Players are willing to move into smaller market teams.

  12. Great display of unity from the players on the last press conference. The players are now willing to accept the 50/50 split in exchange for continuing to negotiate the system issues, I think it’s only fair that the league accepts the invitation to continue negotiating and come to a deal. Let’s get it done please!

  13. Ann says:

    Dear Players,
    Take the deal or take your basketballs and go home to your mansions overlooking the rest of us. There are not many who really care any more. Have a nice life.

  14. matthew says:

    I don’t understand how you can be for either side of this equation. Both parties are being a bit greedy with owners actually being more unappreciative then greedy. The number crunching and accounting is funny too. If you own a major sports team and you aren’t pulling a profit on a yearly basis, then it’s your fault. If you overpaid for a terrible team in a small market town, it’s your fault. If you’re paying mediocre players superstar salaries, then it’s your fault. Are players overpaid? Some are. But professional sports isn’t like any other job. These players are always one injury away from having to work at McDonald’s. There is no job security. They know retirement is usually at around 35. They gotta make that money last a while.

  15. mailman says:

    just cancel the season, much better 2 seasons! hope these high and mighty “basketball gods” default on their car loans, mortgages and other expenses and be like antoine walker! then lets see who’s boss hahaha

  16. Patrick says:

    I say the owners cut the term of the deal in half to see how it goes for the next 5 years and still lighten up a little on the system issues that trouble players the most! Let’s give it a try with the agreement to revisit it in 5 years and make a few tweeks here and there for fairness!!

  17. MarK C says:

    I wonder what happens if the season gets canceled, who gets the top draft picks for 2012? Would the picks be the same as in 2011? If those same teams are in position to get top picks, I would say its probably why the owners are playing hardball with the players.Not only do they get the system they want, they get BRI and draft position for next year. How can lottery position be determined if no season is played? The word is small market owners are driving these negotiations. Thats who would benefit if indeed those picks would be remotely similar. Jordan knows his team will stink and team will lose money. Why not play hardball with players and give them a super unfair offer knowing it would be rejected then sit back and wait till 2012. Then get more picks on top of Kimba and the african dude(forget his name) . All this without having to pay no one(maybe sponsors).Its like 2 seasons in one. I could be off base but its possible.

    • Ron says:

      when will the unfair offer come? The players had 17 percent more than fair for 6 years while the owners lost 1.5 BILLION dollars. 40 percent is fair not 50

  18. FlyGirl says:

    The players make me sick. Everyone else in this economy is taking huge pay cuts….why should they be any different than 99 percent of Americans? Most of us can’t even afford to attend a game at the cost of $100 or more per ticket! If the players really cared about their fans, they would play the game they supposedly “love” at a reasonable wage so we could all afford to take our kids to the arenas (haha – like that would ever happen). In every other business in this country, the employer offers a salary, and the employees can take what is offered or choose to work elsewhere. It is the employer’s business, they are the ones taking the risks, and they should have the right to make decisions for their business, including wages. I have been an NBA fan for many years, but the players have gotten so high and mighty with their demands that my interest is waning. What has happened to this league? Owners, stick to your guns and FIX this system. Don’t give into these spoiled brats who think they “walk on water!”

    • MarK C says:

      Wow I disagree.The money is not the problem for the players at this stage. Went from 57% BRI to 51% BRI. If every 1% of BRI is = to 40million per year the players gave up 120million already. So lets not say this is about greed on the players behalf.Everyone bashing the players. Players are overpaid but so are other entertainers. Furthermore they,ve been rolling with this system forever Celtics,Lakers, winning majority of Chips now its a problem. Now you want Kings and Raptors in the finals.When owners start sitting back and not make shrewd basketball moves because theyre all making a profit from players and their BRI you can blame that on this CBA. Guaranteed profits and/or contracts doesnt motivate everybody(ask E.Curry).

      • Enough says:

        Wow I disagree. This is still about money. They are willing to give up some BRI, if it means that they can get more money from the tax-paying teams. If I have it figured out correctly, that 120 million doesn’t amount to a whole bunch when you divide it by 450 players. Whereas, the system issues could mean a nice fat paycheck for guys who aren’t superstars. The players know this, so they will give back the pennies to make the dollars.

        As for the Kings and Raptors making the finals, sure it wouldn’t mean a lot to most people, but to Kings and Raptors fans it means everything. If the league doesn’t want all 30 teams to compete for a championship, why do they have 30 teams? If we only want the Lakers and Celtics winning championships, why make them play the other 28 teams? Like it or not, the Lakers and Celtic s need the other guys, so let’s do what we can to give the other guys a reason to keep playing.

    • tide23 says:

      did you hear anything about the owners dropping ticket prices with the money that the players gave back to them,no.They will not do it, the players even suggested that they do that but they did not comment on it i know you want basketball back but be fair.NBA was at a alltime high last year and most of the money losing was because of bad management as suppose to player salaries.If the owners that that the nba would drop in revenues then why do they want a 10 year agreement so bad

      • Ron says:

        Yeah! And the owners lost 300 million, and 349 million the year before, and 370 million the year before that. The players have offered 240 million not 120 million but it’s not enough. The players should get about 40 percent of BRI. Lot’s of the players get extra money from endorcements because the NBA promotes them. How about throwing some of that money in the pot?

      • Ron says:

        Bad management!!!!!!!!! Yes giving the players 57 percent is BAD management. But the players salarys did not come that high. The NBA had to give the players 29 millions more to bring it to 57 percent.

  19. Sean S says:

    Ohhh I’m an NBA player and I make 6-7 figure salaries. My life is sooooo tough. I hate my boss for paying me all that money, what a jerk…..

    Hey note to NBA players: You’re greedy, you’re already wealthier than more than 99% of the WORLD and you want more money!?!?!? First you’re not the boss, the owners are, so take their money and stop complaining. Second since you make more money than most of the world, SHUT UP and stop acting like ingrates. Lastly, YOU ARE KILLING your sport. As a hockey and football fan I thank you. Your greed will help change not only your sport but sport in our world for the better.

  20. Reality says:

    Forget about who’s right or wrong. Let’s talk about reality. Players, you have no leverage. ZERO. DON’T YOU REALIZE THAT???

    I know it sucks to lose a fight but you have no options. Ok, I take that back. You do:
    1) Take the deal you don’t like right now
    2) Take a worse deal at some point in the future and sacrifice a ton of money between now and then.

    I’m not taking the owners’ side. Just saying they can wait this out much longer than you. Just accept it and move on.

    LET’S GO!

    • tide23 says:

      thats where you are wrong it will hurt future players and the younger players today.Youre statement would be true if this deal was mostly for them but its not.GOD bless and remember JESUS is lord!!!!!

  21. George G. says:

    Now it’s up to the owners hands. good move by the players.

    • shhh says:

      Players made the move to try to get the league to the table and stall the 5pm deadline because they know the league is firm with the ultimatum.

      If players are not worried, they wouldn’t have offered the 50-50.

      Their move may well be beneficial to end the lockout. That doesn’t mean though the players get the better end of the deal.

  22. Jako says:

    So Hunter/Fisher:

    If under the system you propose 22 teams loose money and file for bankruptcy, and you say you have 450 players in your union, then that would put 330 of your players out of work, darken 22 arenas, cause no cities to ever again build an arena for an NBA franchise, and cause the death of the league. How do you really think that will sit with your players? You guys’ demands are ludicrous.