Labor Talks: Step Back And Listen

HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS – If we are indeed on the verge of yet more of the NBA regular season being chopped down by the stalled lockout negotiations, perhaps it’s time for the sides involved to take a breath.

Maybe we all need to take a step back and listen to what both the owners and players are trying to say about their positions. We tried our best Monday to provide the proper forum for you, the fans of the game, to speak your mind about where you stand. And we’ve heard in detail exactly where the league stands in regards to this latest impasse.

Listening to union executive director Billy Hunter on The B.S. Report with Bill Simmons of Grantland.com provided a drama- free opportunity to hear Hunter’s argument and try to grasp how we got here and where we might be headed. (You need to carve out an hour to listen. It’s an absolute must-listen, especially the part when Hunter reveals that he and NBA Commissioner David Stern are fraternity brothers.)

The finger-pointing that marked last week’s breakdown in talks was pleasantly absent from this conversation, which made it much easier to wrap your head around exactly why the players feel the way they do toward the owners, who have come under considerable fire themselves since last week.

And for those of you who enjoy a tidy list, our friends at the Los Angeles Times have compiled an easy-to-read roster of exactly where all 30 owners stand on the lockout.

ALLEN UNDER FIRE

Portland owner Paul Allen has been the most talked about member of the owner’s side since last week, both in Portland and beyond. Whatever his role was in last week’s breakdown of talks, he’s being fingered as the man whose presence led to a severe crack in the process.

The dizzying 72-hours of drama that ensued was recounted by Zach Lowe of The Point Forward, who also pointed out that the league sought out members of Portland’s local press to defend Allen against a storm of charges from various unnamed sources:

Those of us who read The Oregonian‘s NBA coverage noticed that the lead byline on the piece belonged to Allan Brettman, a business writer who is not part of the paper’s regular NBA crew. That was strange. Shortly after the piece appeared, Mike Tokito, listed at the bottom as a contributor, revealed via Twitter that the NBA told The Oregonian before the Silver interview that the deputy commissioner would only speak to a reporter who was not part of the paper’s NBA team. If the paper would not abide by that, the league threatened to send [Deputy Commissioner Adam] Silver to a competitor, Tokito claimed.

Very weird.

Allen does some explaining of his own about owning the team, both in his recent book and on his Website:

Q: The first half of your book deals with how you made your fortune, the second half on how you’ve spent it—buying sports teams, building rocket ships, searching for aliens (by funding the SETI Institute), pursuing artificial intelligence, making movies, the huge boat, a submarine. These were all things you were fascinated by as a kid. It’s almost like you set out to relive your childhood, just with a lot more money.

A: It’s not about reliving your childhood; it’s about what’s interesting and exciting. Some of these things might change the world in terms of scientific research on the brain, or listening for alien signals, which I like to say is the longest of long shots. But then there are just things that I saw when I was young. It was the golden era of early manned rocketry, so it was always in the back of my mind that if I could participate in some of these things, and maybe move them forward, that would be a dream come true. Other things, like the sports teams, you do because the community asked me to save the team and keep it in my hometown [the Seattle Seahawks of the NFL]. The other team [the Portland Trail Blazers of the NBA] was just because I loved the sport. Some things you do because they make your life fun, but they’re big responsibilities. You’ve got a responsibility to a whole community.

OWNERS V. OWNERS?

Dan LeBatard of the Miami Herald offers up another rather interesting perspective on the current state of affairs, suggesting that the backbone of this struggle right now is “selfish owners battling one another.” It’s not a completely novel take, but it is the first we’ve read that’s been highlighted with the sort of detail and examples (namely the Heat’s Micky Arison and Cleveland’s Dan Gilbert) provided here:

Think about all the ego and money in the room when those owners meet. Think about how accustomed these men with yachts are to getting their way in every walk of life. That kind of wealth isn’t usually accrued by sharing and compromise; these men tend to be rich because cutthroat is what wins in business. Given that there are so many different interests in that room, and given that these owners aren’t really in it for the money, why would Gilbert want to help Arison with urgency, exactly? Even if he is not motivated by spite, what exactly is Gilbert’s impetus to settle quickly? You think he’s in a big hurry to go 19-63 again? Better for him to lose the season, break the union, fix the system and win that way than to fight the Timberwolves for worst record again. Trying to beat the players in a negotiation is more fun than that. Letting Dwyane Wade age another year next to James without playing would be a happy bonus for Gilbert, even if it isn’t his outright goal.

Yes, Arison and Gilbert are the extremes. But here’s the scary part for Heat fans: More owners are closer to Gilbert’s camp than Arison’s. There are only five or six legitimate contenders in the lopsided NBA every year, if that. Might as well make money and rig the system in our favor for the next decade, the rest of the owners are saying, if I don’t have a real chance to win. It isn’t a coincidence that Mavs owner Mark Cuban and Arison are the most eager to get a deal done. But they are the minority when Yahoo! is reporting that even Paul Allen, one of the world’s richest men, has grown bored and disinterested with how far behind his Blazers are and is now a lot closer to Gilbert in philosophy than Arison. The Heat changed the paradigm in a way that gives too many owners who are behind incentive to fix the system instead of trying to win within it. If everyone had a real chance, no owner would want a lockout, scoreboard losses hurting these wealthy men more than financial ones. That’s why Stern, who works for the owners, has been so loud and threatening as their mouthpiece.

JACKSON’S CALL TO ACTION

Today marks a first in that someone has finally made the call for the players to vacate the entire 2011-12 season to make their point. ESPN.com‘s Scoop Jackson, always something of a radical, delivers his explanation for this proposed “call to action” …

If you want to do something in the best interest of the future of the game at this level, continuing to stand strong about what you all believe is fair. If it means not playing in an NBA arena or putting on an NBA uniform until October 2012, so be it.

Sacrifice of self is the eternal path to self-respect.

Force them to do more than blink. Think differently, and make them think differently … about you. Force all ownership — even as they are the people who will pay you — to look at you and the players who will enter the League after you’re gone as more than just property, peons or pieces of clay.

Force them to look at you and treat you like Steve Jobs looked at software. He knew that without software, all the iPhones, iPods and iPads in the world were nothing but expensive pieces of aluminum and stainless steel. Jobs respected those who could create and develop the software to make them useful. NBA players should make the owners do the same.

Which is why losing the season is more important now than playing one is. Even if the players find themselves in the exact same position next year, with the same modifications to the old CBA in front of them, they will have made the point that they are not willing to be treated this way. It’s a stand that will have far-reaching ramifications for any such negotiations in the future.

This is not an encouragement to revolt, or a mutiny against fans or the system or the NBA. This is not about them. Nor is this a suggestion of indifference to the people beyond the players who will be without work for the next 12 months if there are no NBA games. Bless them. Unfortunately, though, this comes with the territory in any industry where there is a union and ownership makes the effort to do what’s in the best interest of ownership rather than the service it provides. From public school teachers (when children are the collateral damage) to municipal bus drivers (when commuters are hurt), innocent people suffer when contractual disagreements occur.

This is about NBA players doing what regular, everyday workers in their regular, everyday work situations should consider doing when the work environment between employer and employees reaches this level of contempt.

At some point in life and careers, damaging decisions must be made. Thirteen years ago, when the owners claimed players’ salaries were out of control and were outpacing revenues (sound familiar?), the players didn’t fold, and the owners ultimately reduced the season to 50 games.

We imagine the reaction to Jackson’s call to action will be as intense as any we’ve seen around these parts since the lockout began. While we can’t simply co-sign such a thing — we here at the Hideout are holding out for as much of a season as we can get at this point — he does make a compelling argument.

Big-picture issues aside, we just want the NBA back in our lives. (NBA.com‘s chief negotiator Steve Aschburner has even come up with an alternative mediator to add to the process).

And we’ll take it by any means necessary!

59 Comments

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  2. Max. W says:

    The NBA has a goal, and that goal is for every team in the league to have an equal chance at a championship. The goal for the future is to become the NFL and not fall down the ranks and became the NHL.

    The owners have pleaded strongly that the NBA is extremely lopsided when it comes to talent. That the big market teams have more of a chance for a championship.

    Howard Beck from the New York Times wrote that the last four NBA champions had payed a luxury tax given to the biggest spenders. The other stat was that the 10 highest spending teams over the last 6 years have an average of 48 wins while the lowest 10 spenders averaged 34 wins. Although the stats may be convincing, I believe this argument came a few years too late. Maybe 6 years ago this theory could’ve been true but this season really proved this theory wrong.

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  3. jam says:

    HUNTER and FISHER is leading the player to abyss… let the players decide not that 2 ego men..

  4. josh says:

    Whether you cheer for the heat or bleed a boston green or a laker die hard(Me) or scream for victory for the bobcats, it doesn’t matter, we the fans are united. And we say end this lockout!!!!1

  5. waly says:

    owners want to make changes to the NBA system that garantee more money on their poket,rather than really get the 30 teams with a chance to compete. Small market teams were created by them, in order to absorb fresh new college players with a minimun salary for 4 years before becoming free agents. Look at today’s Rose comment about hard salary cap!!!!…THE NBA MVP is making $5.5 millions because a rule of the league. That convince me even more that this lockout is nothing more than a sabotage from the owners

    • watcher says:

      Yeah, lets bring back the days when rookies like Glenn Robinson refused to suit up until he got a $50 million (or thereabouts) deal. Lets eliminate the cap so the Kings can have a $20 payroll of street ballers and the Lakers a $200 million payroll of Kobe Pau Howard Rose etc. Lets turn this sport into a European soccer style league where the same 3 or 4 rich teams in their respective leagues are the only realistic chance chance each year to win the silverware.
      Maybe some owners are being mercenary, but others are simply trying to remain competitive and survive in their current markets. If the owners were all making so much money, why would they ‘sabotage’ the season when the league was at such a high?

  6. Glad to hear that owners and players are back on the bargaining table today. Now we are cooking with gas, as they say :)

  7. Oke says:

    Threshold!

    Pretty straight forward…

    If “so called” revenues reach a certain Threshold at the END of the season.. Players proposed split should be accepted.

    If revenue doesn’t reach that Threshold.. Owners proposal is then accepted.

    NOW LET’S PLAY SOME DAMN BASKETBALL!!!

  8. Bmac23 says:

    LOVE THE NBA. TIRED OF THE MONEY TALK. IT IS ALL GREED.

    EXAMPLE: SOME TEAMS ARE PAYING MORE INTEREST THAN OTHERS ON SEASON TICKETS. LAKERS, ROCKETS ARE PAYING 5%. KNICKS 2%. BULLS AND OTHERS 1%.

    ONCE AGAIN NOONE CARES ABOUT THE REAL PEOPLE THAT GET THIS LEAGUE THE MONEY—THE FANS!!!!

    MAYBE THEY WILL NOT COME BACK!!!!!

  9. endlockout says:

    any team can win a title if they work hard and believe they can by building the team through young players who are willing to work hard. Look at the Grizzlies and the Thunder. They are both small market teams and look how close they came to the title last year

  10. Johnathan says:

    People stop being fooled, these owners pockets are so deep that they could lose money for a decade and still make and have plenty left over and be billionaires still….dont think these owners are scraping to get by when they pay their players, they make plenty of money from non basketball related business..they dont depend on the BRI to fill their pockets…the owners want the players to agree to a 50/50 split before they even get into the details of the system issues…if the players did that, they would get screwed through their eyelids…its would be like highway robbery on the owners behalf..

    The owners want a chance to compete, when the reality is that no Star player wants to go to a bad small market team and stick around for half their career waiting for them to build a good team around them..the players want to win and get paid at the same time, and they arent gonna give both of those up..the owners need to stop crying that they arent winning/ and losing money when they reality is that they are the ones that sign players and overpay them, then cry when they dont work out or werent that good to begin with

  11. nba fan says:

    i dont really understand this lock out very well but what i can take from it is that the owners what a raise basically and the players union will not be at cost. In my opinion the cost in minimul but at the same time i dont know what is a lot and what is anything to the players and the owners. the owners are for sure the future of the league but so are the players. where im trying to get with this is that the players signed a contract which they rightfully diserve and have sacrificed most of there lives to achieve and intitled to the money they signed for.Precautions should have been taken to prevent this predicament and this could posssibly happen again. Ad a fan i’m obviously upset and would love to see my favorite player and teams aspire to achieve even greater then what he and they have already acomplished as becoming an NBA player. I’m not providing a means to an end of this predicament but i would like for evry player and owner involved to reach a general concensus instead of “waiting for someone to cave in” like children.

  12. If you have twitter please follow @NBAfans_Speak and express your ideas there. It’s completly for the fans.

  13. BSEA says:

    ITS SIMPLE……PLAYERS…YOU ARE EMPLOYEES and HAVE NO CLAIM on PROFITS…..you are all overpaid to the point of ridiculous and I for one wojuld like to see the next 3 seasons cancelled while the league rebuilds thru the college ranks

    • waly says:

      yeah…players are employees who invest part of their revenue in no-profit charity organizations,they also give money, I remember Mike Miller donating a million dolars to Miami Childrens Hospital last year, or Ron Artest selling his ring to donate the money for charity. Beside they did not asked to be overpaid, they were overpaid because owners had full pocket,but now they are crying because bad times!!!!….sorry….the league should look for a solution that benefit the 30 teams,not at the players cost.

  14. Nudgee says:

    Mmmm… looks like another finger pointing moment.

    My finger goes to……….. ” David ”

    David who…..

    David “Stern”

    Why?

    As you all know Lebron is the “king” of Ohio or some say the king of choking in the clutch.

    And David Stern is the king of NBA kingdom.

  15. nba fan says:

    I am a fan of the nba, and have been a fan for 30 years. Players come and go, but the nba lives on. This generation of players who refuse to take 50/50 won’t mean much to the nba in ten years, but I’ll still be watching my favorite teams. I want a healthy and prospering nba. The goals of the owners in making a more competitive league and controlling cost align much better with my interests as a fan.

    • waly says:

      I think both sides should agree in a fair split,both sides should sacrifice. But in the middle of this economic crisis do you really think is the time to FIX what u have been enjoying for 30 years?. Do you really think that this is the time for a completly NEW/REFORMED CBA that changes the system for the next 10 years?….well my friend seat and watch NFL. Rather than a healthier NBA, as you said, you will be seen a divided NBA, dont you see that owners are no looking to help each other, comisioner is not looking for solutions in how NBA league spare their income and big market teams share revenues with small market tams. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PLAYERS, IT IS ABOUT THE OWNERS WANTING TO MAKE MORE BETTWEEN THEM. And the perfect excuse are the players….big fish eating the small fish

      • nba fan says:

        The fact is that if the sytem continues to perpetuate the trend of acquiring the best players of smaller teams and then acquire a new mid level every year (the heat’s plan), then I doubt I’ll have much interest in the the nba in ten years. The interest of specific teams will always be divided, that is what competition is all about. But the system and revenue changes proposed by the owners are at least an attempt to bridge the gap of what has become a completely unlevel playing field. What have the players proposed to fix a system that provides huge advantages to certain teams?

      • R4 says:

        Ask baseball how it feels when New York is sitting at home. They have too much problem with marketing. I think if this system change happen and they need to fix marketing. No more players as broadcaster and if they keep them they need to take the approach of NFL tv. Have a scriptive conversation no more opinion broadcasters.

        No system change, I will change my habits. I don’t wear the same underwear everyday so I’m not going to watch a sport where the same team win everyday.

  16. waly says:

    guys one more thing….everybody is talking about money money money…..the split is something that soner or later can be solved. Concentrate in system isues,which is the more dificult obstacle in the conversations. The system problems will affect players much more than owners…but who cares eh?….only the players do

  17. Neil Anthony Rollon says:

    I was thinking that a new league could have a very less probability of making it into reality but i somehow make some tinkering and thrwon down some thoughts about it.

    now, the talks have bog down between the players and the owners. however, i think this is not about the owners and the players anymore but there is strong clamor of looking what is happening between the owners at this stage of the negotiation.

    but first of all, let us discuss what the business identity is the nba holds? the center of this is who actually is the owner of NBA? the owners who has the billions, the players who has the millions or the fans and other people who thrive from nba?

    when a company like an automobile goes down bankruptcy or are being hit with a financial crisis, the first that it had to do is down sizing. right? well that is the normal employee-eployer outcome that is happening in such a corporate world scenario. NBA is in same but a complicated but clear same ideology the corporate world should be. However, the employers cant just fire and cut employee (i this case is the players) just outright because they are downsizing. and especially they cant let go of their valuable players. when they go financial troubles. actually the players are the product of the company and they just cant make a sale if they dont have a product to sell.

    Now lets go back to the little fuzz that is actually being miss look by many or maybe a sore to look that is why nobody bothers to take a peek, That is the owners themselves.

    i am pretty sure that many owners that has a good result or financial outcome in nba are ready to sign a deal but they dont have the numbers. The Question is this? do this big market NBA teams actually need those small market to be prosperous in the NBA market place? so owners are the real owners of NBA. They are really only the marketer and the business man who sell their product in the NBA Marketplace that involves the FANS as the consumer of this commodity.

    so making a new league out of this SUPER NBA Teams that are making good in NBA is a good transition to start a new league if they wanted to. Those Big marketteam are actually ready to have a deal done and make their product running again. i am pretty sure that they dont reall want to BOW down to those small market teams too. well, we dont see BIG BANKS rename their brand to smaller banks when they acquire smaller banks in a merger or a buyout, right?

    now hear me out a little more, does a potential 10 Team NBA playing is good than nothing at all?

    i can say that its better to watch a very competitive 10 team NBA than seeing those small market owners being a hard-to-get bullies who make NBA season in HOSTAGE because they are crying out loud that they cannot be competitive in a corporate stage of dog-eat-dog world.

  18. waly says:

    what if in the near future it comes up that owners are losing money because the dont know how to invest?, how come San Antonio been a small market team did not lose money?….good ivestment of their chips maybe?. Why Portland even been on the play off did not make enough?…because Paul Allen dont give a shi.. maybe?….In sports it is about up and down, it is infantile mentality that ALL teams in every sport will compete. Owners are doing a great job in fans minds, they are squeezing the players,they dont care about us,the dont care about the thousands future unemployed, they dont even care about NBA….and here are a bunch of fans on their side.
    Five out of the 30 teams owners WANT a deal…they are more divided than players are….it is happening for a reason…they are LYING.
    Why do they used nasty Paul Allen just when Cohen made a small progress in the conversation?….because they are LYING.

  19. joe pacic says:

    if the both parties took a glimpse at the real world,they would see that there are 99.9 percent of people out there with less money then players or owners…I am one of those 99.9%,but I love the game too much,and would play it for free…especially if they knew how much joy and excitement THE GAME brings all over the world…it has marked my life. I consider all of them(owners and players) very very selfish..money,money,money…maybe they should all sit down in a room and listen to what pink floyd had to say about the subject.

  20. Mike says:

    hey mike, players actually do take playcuts because of their love of the game. they take paycuts to stack teams so that they can win. that’s the wrong reason to take a paycut. but nobody should be expected to take paycuts just for loving what they do either. you should also know, that playing the game is extremely hard work. As hard as any farm labor or other line of work. Just because it’s fun, doesn’t mean it isn’t strenuous and it isn’t providing a service for the world. As hard as it is for you to believe, other employees love their line as work but none of us would be willing to take a paycut to help out our company. Many players aren’t making the tons of money you imagine if you stretch it over time. Many NBA players are jobless coming out of the NBA and that was their whole income. it is the rich, overly-paid players who are willing to give up money to cheat (Lebron, D-wade, Bosh, KG, Ray allen) who should be taking pay cuts to help the NBA.

    • R4 says:

      Ask you a question. Who has a harder job based on their paid.

      Ball players vs. Broadway dancer???
      Ball players vs Bus Driver???
      Ball players vs. Teacher???
      Ball players vs. Doctor???
      Ball players vs. Vice President??? Ball players of course

      But let’s stop living in our like bubble and realize that Ball players are paid well and their job is a 6 month period and with they can choose to work out in off season it not require because the check is still in mail. Ask Eddy Curry.

  21. Byrdymann says:

    I think the players should write a formal letter and inform the owners and David Stern that there will be no need for any more discussion about the current season. The players should stand up and be firm that they are willing to sit out two yrs if thats what it takes to get a fair deal. Trust me, the owners will not forgo losing billions of dollars a year just to prove a point. They love money too much. It isn’t about a recession for them losing money. Its the dumb owner’s management paying average players entirely too much money to score 3 to 5 points and grab 2 rebounds. its a bout getting more control. Not once have David Stern said “we nee to reduce the tickets to the games because the fans are suffering worse than the owners or players”. Continue to put old reruns on NBA TV, I like seeeing those old games anyway!

    • Ron says:

      The players would never do that because 80 percent of them KNOW they are over paid even at 25 percent. They could still have lots of tatoo’s and several cars and spend a lot of time on 420, booze, dog fights, guns etc. If the union put the 50/50 split to a secret vote 80 percent of the players would jump at it.

  22. I said it before and I will say it again, the owners are 100% at fault here, no question about it. Why would the owners offer a final ultimatum knowing very well that the players would reject it and the talks would stop. Here in lies the problem in my opinion. The fact that the owners are willing to risk the entire season and have yet to initiate or encourage further talks is enough for me to point the finger straight at the owners.

    Also, with all due respect, I would like to point out that I totally understand David Stern had the flu in the last meeting, but to not show up was like a slap in the face! The mere thought of thousands of peoples livelihood at stake should have been enough for Stern to drag himself to the meeting and ride it out. I mean let’s face it, as a team leader myself, if I am sick and need to call out, but there is a similar emergency situation with so much at stake, guess what, it is my responsibility to be there and I drag myself to work! Something about him missing that meeting just does not sit right by me. Sorry, but it’s how I feel about it.

    Please continue the bargaining and let’s get the season started.

    • Ron says:

      The players have not even tried to get a deal done. They have stayed very close to their first offer.At a 50/50 split and bringing in the same money they did last year the owners will still lose 20 million dollars. Get real! The owners have given ALL they are gonna give. Done, finished over. And they told the playes. You are not getting more than 50 percent EVER. Deal with it! I think about 40 percent for the players is very fair. Figure the costs of running a NBA team. If the owners wanted to be A–holes they could go back to no private jets staying in motel 6’s the whole nin g yards. GET REAL

    • R4 says:

      Owner offer 50/50 because they paid the bills. Your telling me you forgot already when you use to tell your mother that you wanted to bring girls over the crib, and she said not until you paid bills in this place. The person that paid bills has control until players paid bills they have no say on what the owner want. Like my mother would always tell me “Money don’t grow on Trees, and until then shut up.”

  23. Anthony says:

    i miss basket ball

  24. todd B says:

    Remember NBA Players and Owners .
    Fans are Paraimont in your Business and nothing else matters.
    Resolve your differences and get the season started.
    Or both will Pay a Heavey Price.

  25. waly says:

    to james: the playes are making milions becuase they have something called TALENT, why dont you go after Bill Gates and claim him to donate his fortune?…he earned,he deserve it, same as players deserve their millions. Palyers,not owners have been entertaining fans for years,and now becuse of this unfair/stupid lockout imposed by owners we are going to blame the plaers…come on…

    • Ron says:

      What would happen to the players if the ownwers decided to just shut the whole thing down? Several ownwers have said they would lose less money if there is no season. If the owners can’t make a profit why should the playes average 51/2 million each? THINK

    • James says:

      Do you have a boss? Are you saying that you deserve more than your boss? Don’t you think that he is above you because he worked harder than you? The bottom line here is the employer deserves more than the employee.

      And did I say that the players don’t deserve their salaries? I’m only saying that they should be contented with their salaries already. 10 of millions of dollars should be enough already.

    • R4 says:

      If there no owners there no NBA. Not everyone is interested in buying a basketball team right now. Not alot of billionaires just floating around. If you know of any on a first name bases? you probably wouldn’t be listening to me talk about difference between a boss and employee? I guess you know that players deserve more of profit because they deliver the services. How about bus driving you drive people to work everyday. Without them there no bus services but yet they still don’t make have of what CEO of the company makes. This is my point no person in this world runs a business to make less profit than there employee. And for the sport reporter you guys need to understand it not smart to write foolishness because without NBA you don’t really have a job. You need the NBA just as much as the players. Owner even though I hate your wealth have other venture and if they choose to leave the nba that less job for players and reporters.

      • Zach says:

        You guys realize that these “hard-working owners” were rich before they had an nba franchise. Look, there is no way the owners out-work the players….especially when the owners bread and butter (in the NBA) is player images, names, jerseys, and likenesses. The reason the owners dont care if there isnt a season because they are insanely rich any way! Most NBA players only make money from their contracts, not Knobe, Lebron, and all those other guys who have endorsements…..How could a normal hard-working person agree with some CEO!? Geez

  26. Just Rockwell says:

    As this lockout continues, I continue to lose respect for the players and owners and that respect wont come back for a while. When and If the games finally do return, the little people will still have to work for the same wages, while most of the players and owners will still continue to make millions. I truly hope people boycott the NBA and everything it stands for because it makes me sick. Derick FIsher and the Commish should save their weak apologies to the NBA fans bucause we see through this stupidity you call a lockout. In these times when so many people are out of work, have no money and find it hard to take care of their families, to hear you bicker over 3% is absolutely CRAZY in this kind of economy. The NBA cares is a Joke, I hope the owners and players go broke. I’d rather go to an Insurance seminar in the state of Maine, than pay 1 dime to see a bunch of arrogant, tatoo wearing, entourage having clowns who obbiously have no clue how blessed they are to have this kind of opportunity. This lockout is offensive to all hard working americans.

  27. waly says:

    The conversations started 2 years ago,players acepted to go from 57 down to 52.5 (maybe 51-52),owners give excuse after excuse. Why in hell you want to change a system that produces billions a year, it is not players fault, it is owners trying crack te system,it is the owners non-union,non-fraternity….they are acting like a bunch of selfish guys that don give a dam sh.. about NBA

    • Ron says:

      Grow up! If 22 of the owners are loosing money how long do you think the league will last? And unless you are willing to loose 60 or 70 million a year you can’t compete

  28. tom Bean says:

    I am in the Radio Business.
    What I see going on are two groups of people who are not looking at the Fans in the stands.
    But what are looking at is what is in there Wallets.
    In the entertaiment Business they are both on a slipery path to ruin that was given to them many years ago when players were making a hundread dollars a day at Best.
    We have a new mind set when players with Unions tell the owners what they want and that is wrong.
    The owners are on the hook for everything when it comes to paying the bills.
    I see a back lash that players and owners will not survive when it comes to Fans in the stands.
    They will not come back and you will see the outcome in the end. Players go back to work while attorneys work it out..

  29. Max says:

    The NBA has a goal, and that goal is for every team in the league to have an equal chance at a championship. The goal for the future is to become the NFL and not fall down the ranks and became the NHL.

    The owners have pleaded strongly that the NBA is extremely lopsided when it comes to talent. That the big market teams have more of a chance for a championship.

    Howard Beck from the New York Times wrote that the last four NBA champions had payed a luxury tax given to the biggest spenders. The other stat was that the 10 highest spending teams over the last 6 years have an average of 48 wins while the lowest 10 spenders averaged 34 wins. Although the stats may be convincing, I believe this argument came a few years too late. Maybe 6 years ago this theory could’ve been true but this season really proved this theory wrong.

    To read more go to http://www.nbathroughmyveins.wordpress.com

  30. Wade says:

    If I am earning 10M dollars a year or even 1M a year, I don’t mind if my boss will earn billions of dollars a year.

    He’s the boss, he has the right to earn more than me, even billions of times than me.

    If my salary if fair already, I will not complain. Especially if other people will be loosing money if I complain.

  31. James says:

    Take this:

    If I will have to choose between owners and players, on whom I will let to have an advantage, I will choose the owners.
    Why? Because if you will let the the owners prosper, the NBA will survive. But if I will choose the players, the owners will not prosper and the NBA will die. And besides, the players are already earning millions! Don’t tell me they cannot survive.

    Forget fairness, nothing is fair.

  32. Ro says:

    Let’s talk about what this lockout is, plainly. It is a temper tantrum by people who clearly cannot manage themselves, so their ‘solution’ is to clothe their perpetual incompetence with ridiculous notions of trying to do ‘what’s good for the game’. The reality is that they have no idea what they are doing and now what the players to share in the consequences. Essentially, the want a bail out because they can’t be profitable on their own at the players’ expense.

    And for all the people talking about the players this, the players that, it’s a lockout. The players aren’t refusing to play. They aren’t even asking for more money. They just wanted to be treated fairly, just like every other employee in every other business. It is not their fault the owners are losing money. They should not bear the brunt of consequences.

    If the owners truly gave a damn about the game, they would not have prevented the season from happening. The players have been extremely generous in concessions, even though the idea taking a pay cut after being the main reason the NBA had a banner season last year is beyond insulting. In what business in America do you penalize your employees for performing spectacularly? The owners don’t want to negotiate for what is good for the game. They want to grandstand and browbeat other grown men into compliance.

    This whole ridiculous situation is because of the ego and absurdity of a group of men that don’t have the capacity to take responsibility for their actions. I agree with Scoop. I love basketball, but I will not blame the players at all for not bending to this nonsense the owners are trying to push down their throats.

    • Marvin Jones says:

      The players see themselves as the “product” , when in reality they are employees, and well paid employees at that. In what business does the employee make more than the employer. The old guard owners gave the the players 57% of BRI which was crazy, now the new owners who paid millions more for their franchies are trying to correct that mistake. I think the players should realize that if the employer loses money then the franchise may fold and jobs will be lost, it’s playing out everyday in the real world. The UAW gave concessions to the auto makers so they could stay in business, thus preserving jobs, the NBAPA should take note.

    • Ron says:

      I am in total disagreement with you. In what business does the owner give more than half of his income to the workers. So much he looses money? If the ownwers did what you and a lot of other people suggest (quit over paying) The players and their union would be screaming colussion. The players haven’t even given up enough to let the ownwers break even. I love watching the games, but the players are totally in the wrong. If the union put the offer of a 50/50 split to a secret vote right now 80 percent of the players would vote to accept it.

      • Barry D. says:

        BINGO! Let the players vote! They will accept 50/50 in a heartbeat which proves this is now all about Hunter and Fishers EGOS! Let ‘em vote and let’s play ball.

      • Ro says:

        The owners don’t give more than half of their income to their players. The owners take a sizable cut off the top before the the pot is divided. So it’s not a 50/50 spit at all.

        And I did not say that over paying players was the main issue. I said inept management was, which includes over paying players, which is a problem for the owners to solve, not the players to remedy.

        It’s not a matter of what the players will let the owners do. Read about the last lockout and how the owners tried to do the same exact thing. It is common knowledge that most NBA owners treat their teams like hobbies and not businesses. It takes work and intelligence to run an NBA franchise, neither of which are in great supply of the owners.

        Now matter how much the players give up, we are going to have the same problem. Ignorance of the facts does not change the fact that issue has always been the owners. Read your history. Even Michael Jordan said, the most blandest super star of all time, said there are many owners that just shouldn’t be running a business.

      • R4 says:

        NBPA economist Kevin Murphy has article that tell us that Lawyer make 60 percent of the pot. There is no business in this world that allow small portion of people to make more than the investment.

        People keep thinking the players are right. Funny thing is most of my friends agree with the players. But ask my friends to paid and go to a game or even a bar they will just laugh. I think people that what to see change are the people that pay to see the games. I believe if the system stay the same stadium will be empty only on night a superstar comes to town and I’m not talking about D Rose or Kevin Durant. There don’t have big pull yet.

  33. mike says:

    if the players truely love this game they would be willing to take a cut in salary they get to play the game they love and get paid not many people get to do that

    • DEv says:

      THE PLAYERS HAVE ALREADY OFFERED GIVEN BACK 4% IN BRI SPLIT iT HAS BEEN THE OWNERS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING MORE MONEY FROM THE PLAYERS. THEY PLAYERS HAVE ACTUALLY SACRIFICED SOME CASH IN THEIR POCKET.

  34. David says:

    But here’s the counter argument from Bill Guerin, one of the hardest of the hardliners in the NHL lockout six years ago.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Veteran+conflict+warns+owners+have+more+power+than+seems/5601985/story.html

    And don’t forget, if the players scrap the season, that doesn’t mean the owners will cave. The NHL lockout was heading for a second lost season in July 2005, and the players not only caved, they took a worse deal than they could have had in mid-winter.

    • R4 says:

      I was reading a article on NBPA economist Kevin Murphy about system changes and how everything should be. I just think if the players want to have control of where they go they should just consider contracted. NBPA economist Kevin Murphy said that people that live in Milwaukee can be lakers fans more than ever, then what is purpose of having a Milwaukee team because there not make any money they are losing alot of it. They only sell out when Lakers are in town so there use to be in the NBA is pointless. NBPA economist Kevin Murphy also said there not enough superstar to go around. Then put on superstar on everyteam and for the other teams just contract them too. Peole are lakers fans because they win and do it alot but if you take the winning out of the picture I bet you people will root for their home team.

      • R4 says:

        NBPA economist Kevin Murphy also said that NBA final will not do so well in the tv rating. MLB has this problem right now with Texas and St.Louis because the reporting was bad. All MLB and NBA talk about is big market teams. TNT has a special for Charles Barkey to guess where centain players play. NFL has no problem in informing there broatcasters to study each team like it was their favourite. You ever watch NBA tv when there showing highlights. First 20 minutes is about big market and last five minutes has 5 games in one. NBA tv needs to watch more NFL tv they breakdown everyone fault superstar and all. I see a system change as something good and who cares if there not enough superstars. If you go to Toronto, Charlotte, Indiana, Utah, Denver, Philly, and many more teams game when there not playing a superstar filled team it half empty. Kobe can’t be everywhere at once so, back to my point. If there not enough stars to go around just contract teams that were losing money. No point of running a business to lose money let the top 6 markets continue to do what they want and other 24 just fold because if it ain’t make dollar it don’t make sense.