In The Aftermath Of Doomsday …

HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS – The frayed emotions and exhausted looks on the faces of basketball lovers worldwide should be impossible to hide this morning.

Now that the doomsday fears have been realized, and the first two weeks of the NBA’s regular season have been canceled, we’re all left with the uneasy feeling of what faces the chopping block next as the lockout digs deeper into the fall.

We can dispense with all of the pleasantries now and get down to brass tacks. Forget about when the season starts. Most fans are wondering this morning if there will be a season. The unthinkable a few weeks ago has become our new reality …

Something To Salvage?

Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated: Can the season be saved? The answer is yes, so long as the NBA owners are willing to negotiate into January, as they did to resolve their previous lockout in 1999.

Understand that two weeks of NBA games have been wiped away, and that more cancellations are to come. Nothing important is likely to change over the next two weeks that will enable basketball to be played in late November or early December.

On and on it will go, with both sides looking back to the salvation of the ’99 lockout. That resolution a dozen years ago may have influenced these extended talks that failed Monday night in New York. As much anxiety as both sides were feeling to reach an agreement this week, they weren’t experiencing the ultimate pressure that will be felt later this winter when the entire season is at risk. “The problem,” said a former league official who was involved in the negotiations that shortened the 1998-99 season to 50 games, “is that people tend to look at early January as the drop-dead date.”

He was worrying that the absolute final offer from either side may not emerge for another 12 weeks. Not until the final days of this calendar year will the owners fully understand the consequences of losing a full season during a recession, while more than 400 players find themselves confronted with the likelihood of a full year without an NBA paycheck.

In many ways these entire negotiations have gone according to form. It is not the formula anyone would have desired, but it has been entirely predictable. The owners lock out the players July 1, with little negotiating done for most of July and August, followed by sudden urgency to make a deal that can save the full season.

Lost Games Part Of The Plan?

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com: On the sidewalk out on 63rd Street, sirens wailing and knucklehead cameramen jostling for position and cursing each other, here was Billy Hunter living in his own movie. Regular-season games lost on his watch, and on David Stern‘s, just as they’d discussed two years ago.

“It goes back to a comment that David said to me several years ago, when he said this is what my owners have to have,” Hunter said Monday night, after the first two weeks of the 2011-12 NBA regular season were canceled. “And I said, ‘Well, the only way you’re going to get that is, you prepare to lock us out for a year or two.’ And he’s indicated to me that they’re willing to do it. So my belief and contention is that everything that he’s done has demonstrated that he’s following that script.”

The script, written in red ink because it all came back to the so-called “blood issue” of hard salary-cap concepts Monday night, will be one neither side wants to remember. And it was amazing to watch how everyone snapped back so violently to two-year-old rhetoric, fell so easily into old habits. The hours upon hours, the days upon days of meetings, negotiations, concepts, ideas, blah, blah, blah … it all went up in smoke on 63rd Street Monday — the jackhammers rattling and sirens wailing and knucklehead cameramen finally squaring off and fighting in the street.

“I’m not surprised, because as I’ve indicated to you, based upon representations that were made to me earlier in discussions that David and I had, I’m convinced that this was just all part of the plan,” Hunter said.

Just like all the old rhetoric came back, so did the old deal points — the massive changes owners formally presented in January 2010 with their initial proposal to the players. Stunningly, it was not the biggest issue dividing the two sides — the split of revenues — but the details. The devil is always in the details.

Winning Fans Back Won’t Be Easy

David Steele of the Sporting News: What Stern did for two decades to elevate the NBA, becoming the most progressive and visionary commissioner of his day, can’t be taken away from him. But now he’s on the record as overseeing two significant labor stoppages during his tenure, and just 13 years apart. Bud Selig and Gary Bettmann can’t even claim that, and to suggest that either belongs in the same conversation with Stern as leader of a league is to get laughed out of the room.

Whatever the owners get out of this – this bigger cut of basketball-related income (BRI), this hard cap, all these other givebacks they’re demanding from the players after the sport had moved the needle so much the last few years – is it going to be worth the steep, uphill climb they’ll have to make to regain the fan base’s love?

They have more evidence than they could ever want from how the public is reacting to their absence. While there are plenty of passionate fans enraged about their sport being taken from them for no logical reason, that passion is a fraction of the insanity that surrounded the prospect of NFL games being cancelled this past summer.

Yes, that’s another piece of history the NBA is willfully ignoring. This commissioner, these owners, they must have some stupendous ideas for new revenue streams cooking, enough to overcome the ferocious public-relations hit, the distrust of their loyal supporters and the abandonment of the fringe fan.

All of which–again, if history repeats itself–will last a lot longer than this one truncated season. To paraphrase a famous saying, toy with me once, shame on you, and so on.

Once they get whatever terms they believe will guarantee them a profit despite their own ineptitude at running their franchises, what plan do the owners have to win back the supporters they will lose, short-term and long-term? The fans are not going to come back grinning, dancing and arms open wide, as they did with the NFL. They’re going to demand a pound of flesh. They’re going to make the NBA pay penance.

This Is Just The First Blow

Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated: With both sides retreating to neutral corners — no new negotiating sessions have been scheduled and neither Stern nor Fisher could say when the two sides will talk again — the question becomes: What’s next? Stern hinted that the league will likely cancel the next two weeks of the season two weeks from now. He also suggested that the revenues lost as a result of the lockout bleeding into the regular season, revenues that are expected to number in the hundreds of millions, will be factored into the next proposal.

The union believes the league will wait for the players to break, that the loss of a paycheck or two will make the players willing to accept the deal the owners have on the table. Hunter said that would be a mistake and multiple players texted SI.com that, after learning details of the owners’ proposal, they were resolved not to agree to it.

“They want us to say we can’t miss checks and just take the deal,” texted one All-Star player. “It won’t happen. We are standing firm. Everybody thinks the players are being greedy, but when it’s all said and done, we are giving up a lot.”

How quickly these system issues are resolved will likely determine when the league gets back to work. Stern has frequently said that if the system issues can be agreed to, the economic ones — specifically the BRI — are close enough that a deal can be made. On Monday, Kessler suggested the same. Getting the system issues settled, however, is looking like a tall task.

“The NBA is more dug in than before,” Hunter said. “[The owners] are going to have to soften their position and be willing to compromise.”

Misplaced Optimism

Chris Sheridan of Sheridanhoops.com: An explanation is owed to my readers for the eternal optimism of the past few weeks. So here it is: I have known all of these men for years, and in the past several months I have looked all of them in the eyes – David Stern, Adam Silver, Billy Hunter, [Derek] Fisher, Dan Rube, Ron Klempner, Jeffrey Kessler and others – and have spoken to them in detail about the lockout.

There was always one common denominator.

I always perceived the same thing when speaking to each of them: There was always a reasonable endgame, with a reasonable settlement to be reached at the right time.

And unless David Stern is superbluffing and becomes the next 48-hours-from-zero-to-hero story, the right time has just passed. What the union believes is a “pre-ordained” plan is now the NBA’s cold reality.

From talking to people after the talks ended Monday night, the players felt the owners were piling on with their demands for system changes, trying to run up the score in a negotiation that clearly, from the get-go, was a case study in what is known as concessionary bargaining – a union trying to hang us onto as much as it could from the old labor deal. (When all of us are old and gray, the only unions that will have survived will represent sanitation workers. If you’ve ever endured a garbage-collection strike, you understand.)

The NBA’s owners have clearly already won this battle, and a 51-49 neighborhood deal was there to be made over the past two days of talks.

But those talks never proceeded to the closure stage. In the 11th hours, Sunday and Monday, the principle players ended up being lawyers instead of humans. They wasted valuable time and many billable hours on side issues instead of the real issue, the money issue – the financial split.

And as they all walked out onto East 63rd Street and announced doomsday, all of those same guys mentioned above had the same new looks on their faces: They are uneasy. They are treading dangerously into the unknown, and they are uncertain where this thing is going.

Self-Inflicted Wounds

J.A. Adande of ESPN.com: The NBA was counting on you to be a sucker. You’d be a sucker because the league just intentionally damaged its brand and devalued its product by showing its willingness to do without it, secure in the knowledge that fans would still come back once this was over. Or you’re a sucker because you bought the lines the NBA fed you for the better part of two years — that the league needed a hard salary cap and salary rollbacks and other drastic changes to the fundamental structure of the league in order for the business model to be tenable — only to find out that wasn’t actually the case.

That’s the realization that hit me Monday as we awaited word on the last-minute labor negotiations. At this point I was actually rooting against a simplistic end to the lockout. Because to end it without anything more drastic than a lower revenue share for the players would mean the past four months were a complete waste of time. You know those studies that attempt to calculate the cost to businesses from employee time spent following the NCAA tournament? I want one of those done for the time spent analyzing issues and negotiating points that won’t wind up in the new collective bargaining agreement.

I was stunned the owners moved away from a hard cap. Everything I had been told from their side was that it was a mandatory part of a new labor agreement. That didn’t mean they couldn’t mimic the effects of a hard cap through other means, but the fact that the NBA didn’t try to jam the original version down the players’ throats actually made me think a deal was possible in time to save the season.

My mistake. I believed. Lesson No. 1 from this lockout: Don’t believe what’s being offered to you.

You know what else the NBA is asking us to believe? That a new system will automatically eliminate the case of the overpaid player. Why should we believe that when, for the most part, these are the same owners and general managers who continued to overpay players despite all of the cost-containment mechanisms that were already in place.

Some Saw This Coming

Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports: Philadelphia 76ers forward Elton Brand, who entered the league a year after the 1998-99 season was shortened to 50 games by the previous work stoppage, has attended three labor meetings in recent weeks in New York. He didn’t feel optimistic after leaving them.

“I’m not surprised at all,” Brand said. “I was at the meetings and we talked about solidarity and sticking together. It’s what it’s come to. There wasn’t a mass vote, but this is what we agreed on and we’re sticking together.

“We are sticking with the union and what we are doing. I wish we were playing, and I hope we don’t alienate our fans but, at the end of the day, we were locked out. It’s a lockout.”

Sacramento Kings rookie guard Isaiah Thomas has yet to draw his first NBA paycheck, so he doesn’t have nearly as deep a savings account as some of his peers. He’s made money this summer by working in basketball camps and playing in exhibitions during the lockout.

The last pick of this year’s draft, Thomas is in his native Seattle, taking online classes at the University of Washington and working out with his old teammates. He’s also vowed not to cut his hair until the lockout ends. He could go overseas to play if the lockout lasts another month but says he doesn’t regret skipping his senior year at Washington to turn pro.

“The worst thing about it is you really don’t know your next move right now,” Thomas said. “You’re just going off of what you hear. To get the news that the first two weeks are canceled makes it that much worse.”

For now, the players can only hope they won’t lose the entire season.

“We have to gut it out,” [LaMarcus] Aldridge said. “We have to get even closer now, even more united, during these tough times.”

93 Comments

  1. Peter M. Arel says:

    CITIES SHOULD SUE THE NBA!If enough cities REALLY GET AGGRESSIVE, The people living and working in those cities can collectively say ***** the NBA! AND THEY SHOULD! That is the message that REALLY needs to be sent right now!People are losing their jobs or facing the prospect of losing their jobs;businesses that depend upon NBA to bring in the customers are hurting too. FANS SHOULD BOYCOTT THE NBA FOR THE NEXT 2 or 3 years if we lose the 2011-2012 season!

  2. Joanne says:

    Owners of teams are parasites feeding on someone else’s talent.The players make money for the owners of the teams.What is going on is just another form of Wall street greed where main st bails out wall street and they take their profits and go home.The basketball players can take their talents and go overseas they will still make some money ,but an empty building will make the owners no money and they will still have to pay unemployment insurance to the many employees that they locked out and the players can sue them for locking them out.

  3. Bigwaltpro says:

    The owners want to split revenue from my understanding 50 50 and the players counter that with them recieving 53 percent and owners recieving 47 percent. Hmm is it just me or is that the most ridiculous crap you ever heard. Tell me one job where the workers recieve a higher percentage of the revenue than the people who write the checks? Its just ludacris. First and foremost both sides look very insenstive arguing about billions of dollars of revenue especially when millions of household by no fault of their owns have been hit with the aftermaths of a recession. Players not all but most are living in a fantasy world be happy they offer you 50 50 because guess what the owners arent owners because you guys make them wealthy the owners are owners because they were wealthy before they became owners. All owners are rich before they become owners or they would not be owners point black. Second the real issue here is that the players not all but some do not know how to manage their money. Its down right ridicolous for anyone on this face of the earth to make 100 million dollars in a 12 year carrer and then file bankruptcy. Its inexcusable, so because alot of you guys dont know how to budget your money you want to take more. Its greedy and selfish this lockout also affects people who are hired by the nba and dont make millions of dollars. Both sides need to take a hard look into the mirror and remember this while youll are being greedy all your doing is losing your real OWNERS the FANS!!!!

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      IT IS THE FANS WHO MUST MAKE THESE PEOPLE LOOK IN THE MIRROR! And the way to do it is to NOT watch NBA games, even on television! It means NOT buying NBA gear of any kind! Commissioner David Stern and the owners-AND THE PLAYERS, TOO- MUST BE MADE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY PAY THE FREIGHT-THE FANS!Without the fans THEY’RE NOWHERE!

  4. Doctor ECV says:

    I’d like to know what Michael Jordan has to say about all these. He’s been on both sides as the greatest player of all-time and now a team owner. I’m guessing he’s siding with the team owners which says much about how he thinks of today’s players. When he played for the old CBA (was it then a 53-47 split for the players?), that meant he felt the players were worth that much instead of bullying the league for let’s say a 60-40 deal! If he thinks a 50-50 split is good enough today, then the current players should be ashamed of themselves for overpricing themselves. Fisher, take a hint!

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Doctor ECV,

      Derek Fisher WILL NEVER take a hint! If there is one place I’d like to send him to it’s SIBERIA(he could become a human ice cube)! The people who stand to become unemployed(if they aren’t already) and the business owners(restaurants and/or sports bars) and the employees of those establishments for the hungry and thirsty sports fans need somebody in THEIR CORNER, too;THERE SHOULD BE NOBODY HOLDING TEAM OWNERS’ FEET TO THE FIRE.CONCERTS, ICE SHOWS, and HOCKEY GAMES(if there’s a local hockey team in need of a place to play its games) ARE THE EVENTS ARENA OWNERS SHOULD GIVE SERIOUS THOUGHT TO BOOKING INTO ARENAS BOTH DURING AND AFTER WORK STOPPAGES SO THAT THERE IS STILL MONEY COMING IN AND SOMETHING GENERATING REVENUE IN LIEU OF NBA GAMES!

  5. natefilewood says:

    Greedy scum. Players dont care about anything but getting paid. Owners are stupid for giving people who couldnt be bothered to get an education WAY too much money and then treat them like respected business men. Sure, they are business men, but they are about their own business, no one elses. Oh, and before my rant ends, dont give us nonsense about your love for the ‘fans,’ cos they also include the people who are losing their jobs over your pay cheque tantrum. Love the fans? Pay them their years losses. Im over it.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      natefilewood,

      These guys are wearing tattoos NO PARENT IN HIS (OR HER) RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT THEIR KID TO BE WEARING!PAY THE PLAYERS PEANUTS TO PLAY BASKETBALL AND TELL THEM THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO’D BE GLAD TO TRADE PLACES WITH THEM! LIKE THE ARENA EMPLOYEES WHO ARE HEADED FOR UNEMPLOYMENT LINES OR THE SPORTS BAR OR RESTAURANT OWNER WHOSE BUSINESS IS BEING THREATENED WITH FORECLOSURE!THERE SHOULD BE NOBODY-NOT EVEN ONE UNION OFFICIAL- HOLDING THE TEAM OWNER’S(OR OWNERS’) FEET TO THE FIRE! LOWBALL THE PLAYERS TO DEATH! And let the owners of the arenas book other events in their arenas (circus performances, concerts, ice shows,etc.) EVEN AFTER THIS STUPID LOCKOUT ENDS AND BEFORE THE NEXT ONE!

  6. Daniel Fung says:

    It now looks like those college eligible players that pulled their names out of last year’s NBA Draft at the last minute did the right move in hindsight.

    Now they can stay in bball shape and improve their bball skills, while their buddies that got drafted aren’t even making the big bucks they were hoping for, and not getting the critical rookie coaching that they need to better hang in the NBA.

    Perry Jones from Baylor is a shining example of this point. He was likely a lottery pick and still chose to stay in school b/c of the threat of the NBA lockout this year.

    What a shame for all of us as fans of the game, for the rookies that were just drafted and for those of us that are huge fans of fantasy basketball.

    A BIG FU to the NBA owners holding out for the extreme concessions (aka small market teams like Dan Gilbert’s Cavs, etc) & D. Stern IMO.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Daniel Fung,

      Perry Jones from Baylor was one SMART fellow to stay in school;LET’S HOPE THAT MANY MORE COLLEGE STUDENTS FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE MR. JONES SET FOR THEM! If I were attending a four-year college right now I’d consider Mr. Perry Jones’ decision to stay in school A VERY WISE DECISION INDEED! I’d also be EXTREMELY WARY OF THE NBA AND THE TURMOIL WITHIN IT that would make blowing off an education to go pro TOO HIGH-RISK FOR ME!

      • Peter M. Arel says:

        Dear Mr. Fung:

        I think there is an EXCELLENT LESSON HERE for ALL COLLEGE STUDENTS:STAY IN SCHOOL AND SAY “SCREW THE NBA! I’ll tell my folks to save their money to come to see me get my degree at(fill in name of any applicable college or university). That will be something WORTH SAVING FOR AND A VERY WISE INVESTMENT INDEED!”I wouldn’t want to blow off an education to go pro with the threat of an NBA work stoppage on the horizon!NEITHER SHOULD THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTENDING FOUR-YEAR COLLEGES TO GET DEGREES!

  7. john fan says:

    we fans do not give a %^$%$^%%#% about how much millionares make. get to playing basketball or find some other leaders to get agreement done. we do not give a flying hoot what you want( ball players). nobody in america cares what you make. and you can take that to the bank. we want superstars playing ball now!!!!!!!!! do they care of our troobles…. no . they say go to the game and get your mind off your worries for a brief time. again we dont care about your problems. get them on the court or find someone with an IQ higher than a ball player to get the job of getting players back on court. to many people are suffering because of your issues. and again, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR ISSUES. when someone comments on their personal life they say this is none of the publics business. so please get this to someone. the people that pay your paychecks, and yours to, have spoken….. get this out there or we will stop supporting sponcers, gatorade, nike, and others if they do not take to court. if you get this out their america will see what to do!!!!! we want balls now. either or will do.

  8. Daniel says:

    they should fire all the players for their pighead atitude… everyone is saying ” for me it`s all about winning”…. ????????????????????? ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!! if thats the case you should take what the owners are offering to you and get back to basketball cause thats your job.

  9. Matt Terry says:

    The owners are the ones who take the risks and provide jobs for players. Players are just employees.
    Why do they need a union? They are lucky to have such a high paying job. And WHY are they letting Derek Fisher be their mouthpiece?

    From this point on, I’ll always look at Derek Fisher as a dumb hothead. I’d rather not have known that about him. He’s lost his glow.

  10. Jonathan says:

    This very sad. I am from the Philippines and Philippines love basketball more than any sport. I lean more to the side of the owners. I think the players should understand that many of the NBA teams are losing money. While they have the talent, they also should understand that the league that pays that talent should also be financially healthy and secure. The players will not go broke with a small cut from their fat salaries. But the league will go broke if many of their teams will continue to lose money.

  11. tanduay5years says:

    I DONT BLOODY CARE ANYMORE! WILL RATHER WATCH MY LOCAL PLAYERS PLAY IN A LOCAL STAGE AND SOME NAITONAL GAMES. BLAH BLAH BLAH! MONEY THIS MONEY THAT! HOW MUCH CAN ONE PERSON LIVE IN A MONTH?? 5MILLION?? BS! PEOPLE ARE LOSSSING THEIR JOBS! AND THEY ARE TALKING HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO EARN! NOT GOING TO VISIT THE WEBSITE NO MORE TIL THE LOCK OUT ENDS! SAYONARA AMIGOS! CIAO!

  12. Gary says:

    Can we just have some playoff games? Don’t really care about this season anymore.

  13. Gary says:

    The season can be lost but can

  14. whennacks says:

    what if all fans will boycott every game..do they have revenue to be collected and salary to the players?..if there’s no positive outcome of the lockout it should be laid up until the next off season so that nobody will be affected. so, let’s play basketball ..

  15. Vancouver Grizzlies Fan says:

    I am sick of expansion teams having to relocate because of inability to keep star players. If you players want a 8 team (knicks, celtics, bulls, heat, lakers, mavericks, blazers, etc) then the bri drops considerably. The fans want a competitive 30-35 team league so that teams can stay put and it won’t happen like what happened to Vancouver Grizzlies and Seattle Supersonics. Our cities miss our franchises. The superfriends, super big soft caps, allow all of the stars to leave and create bigger inequalities, The owners get this, the fans get this, WHY CAN”T you PLAYERS get IT?!?

  16. dejuanandoli says:

    If NBA owners and players truly care about their fans more than just the money… maybe they should just agree to put whatever difference in income sharing, money issues etc… in an escrow for future use by the NBA in humanitarian efforts like what they did in new orleans after hurricane Katrina, and even to the rest of the world where help is needed and where NBA has huge following. Did should raise their stock even more and bring more loyal fans to the organization.

  17. Cones says:

    Does nobody realize that millions of people that actually live paycheck to paycheck are going to lose their way to feed their families because the owners and players cant stop arguing over who gets more millions. It is laughable when the players talk about living paycheck to paycheck too. Even the bench players that are not good enough to get in the game get upwards of a million a year. I thought maybe this lockout would be worth it IF the hard cap system was accepted but now it seems like the owners do not even care about that. I am an nba fanatic but if at the end of this lockout there is no hard cap, if this turns out to be just millionares and billionares taking the paychecks of hard working americans to get themselves more millions, it will be very hard to come back to the NBA.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      After this lockout THERE SHOULD BE MORE CASUAL FANS THAN DIE-HARD FANS!More people should be saying “I’M DONE WITH THE NBA!” Cities with struggling NBA teams playing in those arenas SHOULD TELL THE NBA THAT THEY WILL NO LONGER ALLOW NBA franchise owners to kick them and their citizens in the teeth!If an NBA team is in danger of folding, then they will LET IT FOLD! THE ARENA WILL BE USED FROM NOW ON FOR EVENTS THAT WILL BRING MONEY INTO THOSE CITIES AND THE NBA WILL FIND ITSELF-AND ITS TEAMS-LOCKED OUT OF THOSE ARENAS!

  18. Erik Hausen says:

    I don’t understand how anyone can be with the players. If the league is losing over 300 Million than not only do players have to give that back they also have to give owners a chance to profit. No one should accept that a business system is working if the owners are losing money or only breaking even.
    Who wants a more competitive league? I do.
    Who wants to see super teams like lakers and miami? I don’t

  19. MW says:

    I am disappointment that the NBA did not come to a deal that would have started the season on time. I do believe I am more frustrated and disgusted by the players thinking that they are bigger than the NBA. The NBA existed before all these players were born. Players ego’s are bigger than the all star games arena in Dallas, its really disappointing. Players saying that they feel the fan’s pain is a bunch of garbage, hot garbage! Fans should protest and stop buying their jerseys/ apparel than they would understand how the fans actually feel. I believe the players should apologize to the Nba veterans who may have been gearing up for their last season before retirement or second last season before retirement. They should also apologize to the players who arent making maximum contracts or endorsements. FANS WAKE UP AND UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PLAYERS ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS AND NOT FANS!!! ITS EVIDENT!!

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      MW,

      We need more people like you telling people to STOP ACKNOWLEDGING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TREATED US, THE FANS, AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT ALL THESE YEARS. I’ve read posts from people saying that THERE SHOULD BE GAMES PLAYED REGARDLESS OF HOW FAR APART THE PLAYERS AND OWNERS ARE ON CERTAIN ISSUES! The fans should BOYCOTT THE NBA FOR AT LEAST ONE ENTIRE SEASON-2012-2013;and then let the players and owners face the wrath of the people they put out on the streets of NBA cities(and the people whose businesses were foreclosed upon)!

  20. Andy says:

    I don’t understand people saying the players are wrong here. The players don’t get to play for their whole lives, they should be trying to make as much as they can, while they can, remember its not just the superstars looking for more money its those guys who don’t have the sponsorship deals and max salaries, owners however will continue to make millions and millions of dollars no matter what for alot longer than the average NBA players career. Also i don’t know about everyone else but I wouldn’t go to a game to watch the owners, I go to watch the players play the game I love, their the employee’s, owners need to understand that, as far as I’m concerened players do the work for almost the entire year, and remember just because they are “playing” a game doesn’t mean its easy work, they work hard to get where they are, they deserve the main piece of the pie after all the players are the game .

    • Gary says:

      Those guys still make millions over the course of their careers which is more than enough to retire on once they leave the league. They are just irresponsible and want to spend lavishly. Any responsible adult who made 5-10million dollars before 35yrs old would be albe to invest and retire young. Problem is that these guys aren’t responsible and can’t do that.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      THE PLAYERS SHOULD BE MADE TO WORK FOR PEANUTS, NO MATTER HOW SHORT THEIR CAREERS ARE! Especially the players who play the games wearing these DISGUSTING TATTOOS AND WHO CAN’T SEEM TO STAY OUT OF TROUBLE AWAY FROM THE HARDWOOD! And especially in these times when people are having a hard time staying on top of their growing responsibilities at home or paying rent(for those living in apartments). IT’S THE AMERICAN WAY TO BE UN-AMERICAN AND DENY THESE PLAYERS THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE BIG MONEY WHILE THEY CAN! AND AGAIN I’M TALKING ABOUT THE PLAYERS WHO SEEM HELL-BENT ON MAKING AS NEGATIVE AN IMPRESSION AS THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH MAKING! Fans MUST STOP “PAYING RANSOM TO KIDNAPPERS” IF THEY HOPE TO BE ABLE TO BRING DOWN THE PRICE OF TICKETS TO ANY SPORTING EVENT! They need to collectively say “I’m DONE with this!”

  21. bryant roberson says:

    I say BOYCOTT the NBA like they have done to us true fans. TREAT them like they are treating us by not caring enough of what we want!! Very simple folks

    • Gary says:

      These guys realize that no matter when the league starts people will come back to watch. Most may say they won’t but eventually will. I wish we could really all band together and boycott them.

  22. Thomas says:

    I am a huge NBA fan from Detroit. I am age 35 and pro-basketball has been my favorite sport to follow for my entire life. Unfortunately, I am one of the die hard fans that have finally had enough of this. It is senseless to miss ANY games with billionaires and millionaires arguing over money during these horrible economic times. Due to the lock-out, I have started to watch more football than I ever had before. I find myself becoming more of a NFL fan. I used to be impatient waiting for the NBA season to start – now, I’m starting not to care because the lockout is senseless. Go LIONS & TIGERS!

  23. leeshot says:

    I have paid for the last NBA GAME I QUIT PAYING FOR LEVIS WHEN THEY RAISED THE PRICE FROM 3.95 TO 4.95
    AND SAID YOU S O BS I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER PAIR AND HAVE NOT IN THE LAST 55 YEARS ABOUT TO DO
    THE SAME THNG WITH THE N B A

  24. Thomas says:

    I am a huge NBA fan from Detroit. I am age 35 and pro-basketball has been my favorite sport to follow my entire life. Unfortunaetly, I am one of the die hard fans that has finally had enough of this. It is senseless to miss ANY games with billionaires and millionaries arguing over money during these horrible economic times. Due to the lock-out, I have started to watch more football than I ever had before. I find myself becoming more of a NFL fan. I used to be impatient waiting for the NBA season to start – now, I’m starting not care because the lockout is senseless. Go LIONS & TIGERS!

  25. Lee says:

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. #%#^ the nba. I’m not wasting any more money on a bunch of ungrateful, spoiled babies. I was already sick of watching the refs control almost every aspect of the game and ultimately decide which team advances in the playoffs. The NBA is a joke, its just a scheme to extort the sport of basketball so the already wealthy can make more money off the people who actually have love for the game.

  26. Ron Aguilar says:

    I love watching basketball just like everyone else.
    Welcome to the New Economy.
    Now maybe everyone can do other things more productive, imagine that.

  27. Jako says:

    Dear NBA and Players:

    In the first place there shouldn’t even be a union, there shouldn’t have to be revenue sharing, and there shouldn’t have to be any negotiations.

    Unions are entities started by workers to try and get fair wages, but when they try to negotiate a business out of business, then they have lost their effectiveness and should be disbanded.

    If a team is in a situation where it’s not making money, it should just close its doors. Many small market teams don’t own their arenas so the owners wouldn’t even have to pay property taxes on them. Then, if someone wanted to play for that team, they could apply for a spot on the roster and if the owner could put together a team that financially made sense for his market, that team would start up again.

    Players would be hired for one year, no more, and their expenses would be taken care of by the team, and if the team started losing money they would be staying at Motel 6 rather than the Hilton, and they would be arriving by bus instead of private jet. Let’s get back to fiscal reality.

    And…in order to keep things fair, no team would be allowed to pay any higher salaries than the salaries affordable to the team with the least revenue, and no player would be allowed to decide where they want to play, other than they could accept or reject any offer from any team at the end of their current contract. There should be no negotiations until a contract expires. If a player wants out of his contract, he should be banned from playing anywhere until the expiration date of the contract he is voiding. That’s the way it is in any other business. There are penalties for breaking contracts.

    Believe me, there are many college players out there that would give anything to play for pay, any kind of pay. They have gotten this far in life on their playing ability alone and if they can’t play ball they will be left working at Mickey Dee’s.

    Let’s get rid of all of these prima donnas. They mostly seem to make bad life decisions anyway and we don’t need those bad decisions as role models for our children and grandchildren. If players want to make more money, they can sign more lucrative endorsement contracts.

    I think the NBA should close its doors long enough for all current player contracts to be voided and everyone should start over again. That way teams that signed players to huge contracts in smaller markets could start making money again and players who got injured would get their health taken care of by the team’s insurance, but the team would no longer be required to pay huge salaries for someone who could no longer play up to their previous level.

  28. Barry D. says:

    The more I read from Derek Fisher, the more I roll my eyes. “Chris Paul and I will also be utilizing our personal social networking channels to show the fans and you all, that we are united and want to get back to work under a fair deal. On Monday, Chris and I will tweet and post “LET US PLAY.” This was used by the NFL players and many will be joining us on Monday and retweeting the same message to show their support for our players. I will also be using the hash tag #StandUnited after all my messages until this lockout is over.

    We invite you each to do the same. To show our unity and to remind the fans that this is not our choice and we would like to go back to work and play the game they love to support. ”

    Give me a break. Do you really think fans are that dumb? That we really believe that the big bad owners won’t let you play your precious basketball. And that all you want is a “fair deal”. Who gets to say what’s fair, Derek? You? When did you let the players vote to see if they think 50/50 is fair? No one is fooled by you saying you want to play and they are locking you out. You just want more money to play. Please, at least don’t insult every fan’s intelligence by pretending all you want is for them to LET YOU PLAY? That’s annoying.

  29. Donte says:

    All right! Stop the lockout right NOW! There’s no reason there should be a lockout. The fans love the game. They pay for tickets & jerseys. David Stern, STOP. Don’t you get the money from the fans & give them to the NBA teams? You should of thought about this. This is SO STUPID! IF YOU’RE WITH THIS COMMENT REPLY! WE WANT BASKETBALL!

  30. Suns299 says:

    This is probably unrelated but the only issue for me is why they are still allowing ESPN to cover the NBA. Since TNT and CBS partnered to broadcast every March Madness game it would make sense that they could again partner up for NBA coverage. However the greedy Owners would never go for that. They would rather take horrible coverage for more money.

  31. lom says:

    Lets put it this way – owners profit last year? loss of $350M. Player’s profit? $2B.
    Tell me who has more to lose from games not being played?
    Yes, some value is lost because it will take time for fans to come back to the sport , but at some pt they will. Whether the players today will actually benefit from fans returning? probably not… owners? you bet.
    I just don’t understand – they should go talk to NFL players who play a game 100x more exciting, take 100x more risk, with only a fraction of the guarantee. Bloated overpaid players need to wake up, realize how well they’ve had it over the past decade, and get to grips with reality.

    And while I think the players are mostly at fault, the owners are not without fault . While I disagree with the idea that owners are stupid and can’t make a profit (look, it only takes 1 owner to be stupid to put a break a bad system), there was a way to get to an agreement that would gradually improve profitability without completely breaking the other side, and allowing union/players to save face. They clearly werent in this to negotiate, they were in this to dictate.

    Either way, both sides have completely disgusted one fan. I will not be buying your jerseys. I will not be buying your tickets. I will not be cheering. And I will not be watching. I am simply disgusted.

    The people I really feel sorry for are the ones that cleaned the arenas, the ones that served food/drinks, the ones that collected the tickets, the ones that sold the caps and t-shirts, and the ones that cleaned the bathrooms. All the little people who made it possible for all of you rich overpaid self-absorbed divas to play your “game” for millions of dollars a year.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      EVEN IF THE NBA SEASON RESUMES, FANS SHOULD BOYCOTT THE NBA(SO SHOULD THE PEOPLE WHO BECAME VICTIMS OF THE LOCKOUT WHO WORKED AT THE ARENAS WHERE NBA GAMES ARE PLAYED-WHEN THEY’RE PLAYED);THE BOYCOTT SHOULD LAST EVEN BEYOND THE END OF THE CURRENT NBA SEASON!IF THE NBA SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY LOSING ONE THING, IT SHOULD BE FAN SUPPORT-TONS OF IT! The casual fans should seriously consider spending their money elsewhere, even after the lockout ends;but let’s patronize the restaurants and sports bars near the arenas where sporting events take place so they’ll stay open.CONCERTS, ICE SHOWS AND HOCKEY GAMES SHOULD REPLACE NBA GAMES SO THAT THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS SENT TO THE NBA OWNERS, PLAYERS AND COMMISSIONER DAVID STERN:SCREW US UP FINANCIALLY AND YOU WILL ALL PAY FOR IT!

  32. Stuie says:

    While I do not agree with the NBA’s approach I agree with their message. After LeBron’s Decision and all of the Melo Drama I agree that something needs to be done. They should be focused on getting a deal done. After we’re back to playing basketball then and only then should they be focused on making it more competitive for every team. Without basketball being played there is no point in trying to make it fair.

  33. kanuk says:

    these players are delusional. these owners supply the arenas (owned or leased), employees whom really make it all happen, security, medical staff, buses, planes, accommodations, food, public appearances, basically the players larger-than-life lifestyles as ENTERTAINERS. the owners have done all this since the last CBA and have lost money doing it?! i’m surprised the owners have maintained this money-pit this long. it’s an oblivious mind that would suggest the owners/NBA are at fault in this lock out. let the players think that they are the most important partner in the NBA house, let them hold their little games in gyms all over the US, then let’s see whom they think is according their lifestyles in march, april, may of 2012. perhaps stern was wrong only making them spend one year in college as it should’ve been 4 years so at least they’d have something to fall back on and offer society … like in times as they are right now. i have absolutely no support for the players or their union as their expectations and demands are ludicrous.

  34. artifex says:

    @ground:

    “[…] all around the planet most of players cannot afford even their living issues with their salaries. they work a second job and after job go to practice with respect and major love for the game called BASKETBALL! […]The biggest shame is not that you continue the lockout and disagreeing with owners LEAVING MANY PEOPLE JOBLESS WITHOUT THE CHANCE TAKE CARE THEIR FAMILIES,,, ”

    Rightly said

    “[…] you forgot what Michael Jordan tought us all…. THE LOVE FOR THE GAME, THE COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE RESPECT FOR IT!”

    You may forget, Michael Jordan is one of the owners, who initiated this lockout!

  35. Magic fan says:

    Scr€w players ‘solidarity’ no one cares you spoilt nuckleheads, stop trying to act tough. We all know your just spoilt.

  36. Magic fan says:

    I don’t know if any NBA players visit NBA.com and read any of this, ut this is enough. If you have any respect for the game and the fans you end this lockout. If you don’t and your all greedy a$$holes like the owners you can keep ” trying to seem tough” we fans are the only reason you have a NBA job. STOP THE LOCKOUT before you lose that little bit of respect you have left from the people.

  37. Patrick B. says:

    The dressed-up pigs all sit around and grunt as best they can,
    They want more slop between them, that’s agreed from man to man.
    The fans thought they deserved a break for all their dollars spent
    I can’t blame them if they wonder where their excitement went.

    It was never about the fans, except for the money that they wasted,
    The players showed off, surely, but it was the money that they tasted.
    Talented athletes, surely, all sweating for an hour.
    Then, it was strip clubs and marijuana, after the media shower.

    How absurd can it get, these commoners who pay?
    Wouldn’t it make more sense to throw your money in a Salvation Army tray?
    They’re putting on a show for us, don’t they love us after all?
    Wake up and smell the odor of the pigs within their stall.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Great poem, Patrick B.! I’m no William Butler Yeats, but I really liked your poem about the NBA players.You really got your point across very effectively, too. ONLY WHEN FANS STOP “PAYING RANSOM TO KIDNAPPERS”(the kidnappers being the people who left scores of people jobless or to see their restaurants or sports bars go under and the kidnap victim being the game of basketball) WILL ANY REAL CHANGE TAKE PLACE IN BASKETBALL AND IN THE NBA! Concerts, ice shows and hockey games SHOULD BE THE ONLY EVENTS TAKING PLACE IN THOSE ARENAS UNTIL THE OWNERS AND PLAYERS WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT THEIR POSTURING AND BICKERING OVER MONEY HAS COST THEM!

  38. MZa says:

    This league is worse every time, not even the shadow of what it was 15 years ago. Tattooed players, agressiveness, no quality, no commitment with the fans, soon there’ll be no NBA at all.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      MZa,

      Hey, I don’t like the NBA either for what it’s doing to the people who work at the arenas as ticket vendors, parking attendants,etc.;nor do I like what the NBA lockout is doing to the people who work NEAR the arenas who whose businesses need the money that they are being deprived of due to the NBA lockout! Odysseus suggested a circus might be the thing the people who own the arena might be happy to have;also, concerts, ice shows, hockey games(if there’s a local hockey team getting started that needs a place to call home).All of these could be the answer but NBA SHOULD BE FOREVER LOCKED OUT OF EVERY ARENA IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE COMMISSIONER DAVID STERN, THE OWNERS AND PLAYERS, WITH ALL THEIR POSTURING, ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

  39. artifex says:

    You know, what’d be funny?
    If they get a deal someday (IF!!!), the season starts and no one goes to watch the games. Just for a week or so. I know it’s utopic and I don’t know if I could stand it myself but it would be SO funny to see these multi-million-$ players play in front of empty arenas and the owners, on top of their losses for missing XXX games this season, having to pay the players and still don’t get money from ticket sales.
    Instead people may go to the bars etc. around the arenas and pay some extra money, for those are the real losers of this lockout. I mean, I’m disappointed but I CAN do something else. But there are lots of people that DEPEND on “basketball related income”. And that’s what makes me kind of angry…

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Artifex-Make that A YEAR OR SO AND I’M WITH YOU!MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN A YEAR, LIKE TWO OR THREE!THE PEOPLE WHO OWN AND OPERATE SPORTS ARENAS CAN BOOK CONCERTS, HOCKEY GAMES AND ICE SHOWS TO KEEP THE MONEY COMING IN SO THAT LOCAL SPORTS BARS AND RESTAURANTS ALSO GET SOME PATRONAGE.I’m a casual fan who DOESN’T NEED the NBA;I enjoy PLAYING BASKETBALL RATHER THAN WATCHING IT.And other casual fans like me should seriously consider doing the same;or watching high school or college basketball until the NBA’s OFFICIATING problems are also straightened out.

  40. rage says:

    This is what i am tired of hearing about. Players going on tweeter and any other social site saying that “the owners locked us out, its not a strike, they are locked out”. “the fans want us to play, they players want to play”…yeah we do, I am not on anyones side…anymore, I want the games to be played but what is making me a little more pissed is that “certain” players are trying to put all the blame on the owners. Sorry guys, its not just the owners, you sit and talk about how it is hurting local buisnesses and how the people who work at the arenas and vendors are being affected, get real, your just as much to blam as the owners, if you care so much about the little people then the talks for a new deal wouldnt have started late in september, these talks should have started on Day 1 of the lock out. So, i dont want to hear about how its not the players fault or the owners fault, its both so stop playing the blame game, and get something going. If Hunter and Stern knew this was coming, then they let it happen.

  41. Michael says:

    come on guy this lockout is dumb all the fans just want to see some basketball why are you all complaining about how much your makeing its just money it comes and goes we the fans pay alot just to see yall play and this lockout needs to end soon

  42. archangel813 says:

    Maybe Robert D is right, maybe the players should just start their own league and have Fisher as their commissioner. Oh, well…what about the expenses to manage and maintain a team? I guess they might just have to spend some of their money. Oh hold on, some of these players are not making money right now or might not have any money anymore because of those 5 lamborghinis and gazillion blings, hmm, I wonder where they’re going to get their money from.

  43. ground says:

    I don’t even know if this message be read by someone but i don’t care. i am not a fan i am a player from another country. this is wrong, all around the planet most of players cannot afford even their living issues with their salaries. they work a second job and after job go to practice with respect and major love for the game called BASKETBALL! THEY love basketball THEY want to play basketball THEY respect themeselves and the fans not YOU! The biggest shame is not that you continue the lockout and disagreeing with owners LEAVING MANY PEOPLE JOBLESS WITHOUT THE CHANCE TAKE CARE THEIR FAMILIES,,, The biggest shame my friends is that you forgot what Michael Jordan tought us all…. THE LOVE FOR THE GAME, THE COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE RESPECT FOR IT!

  44. ryan says:

    owners have to give in

  45. Robert Dandurand says:

    David Sterns and the NBA owner’s should be ashamed of them selves. All they care about is there pocket book and not of the fans. This is one fan that is never going to watch pro basketball again. I think the players should start thier own league and get rid of Sterns and the owners.

    • Odysseus says:

      Hey Roberto, and the rest of you guys in favor of the players. I’ve got a great business opportunity for you! You can even pool your money together to invest in it together if you want. There’s a really great circus here for sale really cheap. You can buy the company for $1,000 USD (practically free), and this circus is so great it sells out every day and also sell a ton of merchandise. The revenues are amazing! They generate like 100,000 per show. The only condition though, is that you can’t touch any of the circus performers, as they are the “stars” you know. Without them the people wouldn’t come anymore. But that’s ok, they only make like 150,000 per show, so you only need to dish out 50k from your pocket every show to keep the circus going…. Pretty sweet deal huh. When can I be expecting your call to put you in touch with the selling party?

      • Peter M. Arel says:

        Odysseus,

        Why not try selling that circus idea of yours to SOMEBODY WHO COULD REALLY USE IT? LIKE A PUBLICLY FUNDED ARENA THAT NEEDS A MAJOR LEAGUE TRANSAFUSION OF CASH TO KEEP ITS EMPLOYEES WORKING AND EARNING A PAYCHECK WHILE AT THE SAME TIME KEEPING LOCAL RESTAURANTS FLOURISHING AT THE SAME TIME? A circus would be a tremendous boon to such a community. I’m not knocking your idea-I’m just telling you where it can do the most good.

  46. Abel says:

    Losing the season was never unthinkable. I’ve said all along that there will not be an NBA season.

  47. markl says:

    How can we contact David Stern and the league office and show our support for the players? This is rediculous and these greedy a$$holes need to be over whelmed by the fans. COME ON PEOPLE…what can we do? Is there a place we can call or email? Some body please start posting this info.

    • ryan says:

      i know

    • Odysseus says:

      Markl, I think there are more people that don’t agree with the players (myself included) than those who support them. The players are being greedy and pigheaded, and they will pay for it. And if they are willing to go play overseas for a fraction of what they earn now, then why all the fuss? Hopefully the NBA will fix it’s problems soons, otherwise their disease will spread all over other leagues trying to snatch these so called superstars with ridiculously high contracts that they can’t afford.

  48. DEE says:

    There is no doubt the players are being greedy !! The numbers are there to see. If the owners are losing money, why should they agree on same terms . For players, there is no love of the game. Its all about money !!

  49. dave says:

    maybe it will turn out better in the long run. more exposure for the NBA internationally with a lot of players signing overseas, and probably more opportunity for players to build relationships over there with owners, etc.

    i could see the NBA expanding into other countries, this might expedite it.

  50. archangel813 says:

    To all NBA players…As a worker, I understand the players’ right to ask for a raise but for pete’s sake, isn’t 50-50 enough? These owners might be making more but remember, they’re the ones taking care of you, travel expenses, water boy, medical, dental, vision, bonuses. parties, etc. I hope one if not every one of these players will read this and bring them back to reality. If you want 53-47, then you can pay for your own airline fees, gas for bus, food, pay for the waterboys, the team doctors, the team therapists, ballboys, towel boys and the rest of the team employees and see what you think about being greedy.

    • Barry D. says:

      Agreed. I’d be happy to see the 400 best basketball players in the world who are willing to work for a measly $5 Million Dollars a year + all of their personal endorsements (down a whopping 12% from the 5.7 Million they now make.) Who Cares! Sounds like an awful lot of money to me. And I’ll bet it’d be some exciting basketball. I don’t really need so see players with egos as big as the ones making all the noise about how great they are and how it’s all just about them. BTW, have you noticed that we haven’t heard a word from the grownups in the league like Steve Nash, Tim Duncan or Dirk Nowitzki who have accomplishments like MVP awards and NBA championships to pound their chests about? My guess is you put those guys in charge instead and you’ll get a deal because they are adults who have their egos under control.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Archangel 813,

      You are right in saying if the fans TURN AGAINST THE NBA(and in this economy, who could blame them?), the players may have to pay for a lot of the things they don’t have to pay for right now. BUT THOSE LUXURIES MIGHT NOT EVEN BE AROUND IF THE FANS DECIDE THAT THEY WILL SPEND THEIR MONEY ON THINGS THAT COST LESS;OR SAVE THEIR MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY WORTHWHILE. THAT IS THE STAND FANS MUST TAKE AGAINST THE NBA IF THERE IS NO BASKETBALL EXCEPT WHAT LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS AND COLLEGES HAVE TO OFFER! THEY MIGHT DECIDE THAT A LOVED ONE’S UPCOMING GRADUATION IS WORTH SAVING FOR!

  51. Live to fight next time. says:

    Now’s NOT the time to fight, Now is NOT the time to take a stand, Now is NOT the time to set you self up for the future or get the “best deal”. You guys better get it done and get it done NOW!!

    In this economy NOBODY has any sympathy to go around. I crap deal for the players may very well endear them to their fans because right now the economy is giving the fans a crap deal.

    Wait till next CBA to make the push some days you need to take one step back to take two steps forward.

  52. Troy says:

    Total bummer. I am a huge NBA fan, but seeing the lack of concern from both sides regarding the cancellation of these games really leaves me with a bad feeling in my gut. It’s crazy to think that we as fans care so much about our teams, to the point of spending billions of dollars on tickets and merchandise, and yet they just shrug their shoulders and call it a day over a couple of % points and some other garbage. Both sides share equal blame here, so just stop finger pointing and playing the victim and get a deal done. Actually, at this point you may as well wait til next year, as a shortened season is tainted and will always be asterisked in the minds of true fans of the NBA. The NBA Championship road is meant to be a marathon, some people don’t understand that.

    Best of luck moving your families to Europe (if you’re lucky) and getting paid less to play against scrubs nobody cares about seeing, not to mention all the pay you’ll lose in the meantime. Hope it’s worth it.

  53. Jeff Beal says:

    The players and owners have the means to sit out for a long time. Let’s not forget the vendors, ticket-takers and everyone else who doesn’t get paid unless the league is in play.

  54. nahmayne says:

    Doomsday? Enough with the hyperbole seriously – having no season is depressing but lets put it into perspective… doomsday is the economy tanking with unemployment rising…

    • JC Blessett says:

      Unemployment will rise. Think of the people that won’t have jobs because of the lockout, ticket vendors, consessions, security, or anyone that works in a center where the sport is played.

      • scud70 says:

        JC is right… there are few good articles outlining what some business are about to lose … they have already started losing with no pre-season games and now first 2 weeks .. so it would make sense that soon jobs will be lost .. its a ripple effect the longer this take the wider the impact it will have….

  55. Tim says:

    Obama needs to increase the tax on millionaire athletes an extra 10% and call it the spoiled millionaire tax. They get paid to entertain and we are no longer entertained by their egos.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      Hey, Tim, I like that idea!Every year Obama-if he’s still President after next November-SHOULD increase the tax by ten percentage points. But THE FANS THEMSELVES MUST “STOP PAYING RANSOM TO KIDNAPPERS” and BOYCOTT THE NBA UNTIL 2021 or until the NBA players who show little or no integrity by going overseas to play are either abroad or too old to play;the people who OWN AND OPERATE THE ARENAS WHERE NBA TEAMS PLAY SHOULD BOOK CONCERTS, ICE SHOWS AND OTHER REVENUE-RAISING EVENTS TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE AREA SO THAT RESTAURANTS AND SPORTS BARS CAN ALSO STAY OPEN!

  56. Anand says:

    I cannot fathom whatever has been going on. I am not subscribing to cable because of all this, I want to make sure that there is a season, and all this after a mind-blowing season last year. Fighting for millions, leaving so many people jobless in this struggling economy, cannot really single out and blame a player, I mean think about it, each and everyone of them is expected to stick with the union or else they will be alienated.

  57. wawie says:

    we want the game back again, think about the fans that makes you rich

  58. wetz says:

    Bottomline here .. who needs the NBA season more, the owners or the players? The owners can be united and can afford to lose the season and will just layoff their employees and write-off their losses and life goes on for them. For the player, they can be united now, but once they start missing their paychecks, that unity will quickly break down .. Sad, but that’s just the reality and the player union should have realized that .. Time is obviously on the side of the owners here and was surprised that the player union allowed several weeks during the summer without negotiating.. they should keep on pushing while they still have time during the summer.

    • Peter M. Arel says:

      BOTH SIDES ARE AT FAULT HERE! But it is the FANS THEMSELVES WHO MUST TAKE A STAND NOW TO STOP “PAYING RANSOM TO KIDNAPPERS” AND BOYCOTT THE NBA OR WE’LL NEVER STOP PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE FOR BASKETBALL!Let us, however, be mindful of the people who, through no fault of their own, have seen their jobs vanish or who are at risk of seeing their businesses tank.THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD GO DOWN THE SEWER IS THE NBA! The people who own arenas should book events that will keep the money rolling in LOCKOUT OR NO LOCKOUT!Come on, people! Let’s MAKE NBA COMMISSIONER DAVID STERN, the NBA OWNERS AND PLAYERS PAY BIG-TIME FOR THIS WORK STOPPAGE!

  59. Matt Terry says:

    Love the title under the picture: SELF INFLICTED WOMBS

    Let’s play basketball or not.

  60. Enough says:

    Back in July, I wanted a more competitive league and I was tired of seeing cities losing their basketball teams. I thought that the owners proposals sounded like a reasonable way to accomplish this. I was even willing to miss the season to get it done. Now, with the cancellation of games, I find that I don’t care about any of that. I just want the season to start. I’d rather see people working than argue about a fair system. Granted, teams being sold will put a lot of people out of work, but right now, it is like all the teams have been sold. I love to blame the players as much as the next guy, but they are not the only ones at fault here, nor are all the players at fault. I’d like to think that all of the players on my local team (Jazz) are not sacrificing the season for money, but I think that there are players that are. I know that the players say they are locked out, but if they wanted to end the lockout, they could. Sure it might take some concessions on their part, but if they made them, the owners would end the lockout. That being said, the owners are in the same boat. I’m sure some of the owners want to end the lockout, but others don’t. They also have the power to end the lockout, but they are also unwilling to make the necessary concessions. Please, let’s just get this thing started again.

    • imad akel says:

      Man what people don’t get is that the teams ARE equal. The amount of money every team can spend on its roster IS equal. The amount of money every team can WASTE on its roster is NOT equal.

      It comes down to the market itself.
      The Knicks can be superstarless, and get a sucky overpaid roster and still make money.
      If The Hornets get a sucky overpaid roster, they will lose money. If the Hornets want to make money, they actually have to win. The Hornets need the playoff money to make a profit.

      How the owners have managed to spin this issue onto players’ contracts is beyond me. Its all about markets, and greed, and a little bit of jealousy. Owners want to profit WITHOUT having to win games.

      Well, guess what. It doesn’t work that way. Money comes from fans. And fans follow winning teams and traditions.

      The Knicks don’t just have tons of fans coz they’re in New York. The Knicks have tons of fans because they won the hearts of the people in New York, something teams like the Hornets and the Bobcats are yet to accomplish.
      You think players are overpaid? The players are what keep fans watching and communities thriving. The Knicks probably still have fans today who only became fans because of the likes of Patrick Ewing and John Starks.

      You want to make money? You have to win your fans over… And most of the time that means you have to actually win.

      Some teams have won enough times that they EARNED the luxury of being able to lose.

      This has nothing to do with how much you players are paid. If the hornets want to make money, a couple of good playoff runs would do the trick.

      • ddddd says:

        your analysis there is off-

        The Bucks won a lot back in the olden days, however have not won much in the past 2-3 decades. The kings, wizards(Bullets), Sixers, Jazz, Clippers and even Nets have had varying degrees of success in the past even though they have been around a long time. None of those teams have the exposure that the large market teams do. The Clippers have been the Lakers’ little sister for so long that I wasn’t sure that the people cared until Blake Griffin came to town. The kings and wizards switched names and therefore the only people who even recognize their past are those who are planning their own retirement. If it werent for Stockton, Malone, Jerry Sloan and Deron Williams the jazz wouldn’t have been relavant at all these past 30 years and they don’t have extreme tv coverage either. Jason Kidd made the nets a little relavant, but now are in line to become the knicks little sister in spite of the rich Russian. Other teams are too new to have any real history (Bobcats, Wolves, Raptors, Magic, Hornets, Grizz)…. The obvious exception to the rule is the Heat…..

        The only reason why the knicks could have a sucky overpaid roster (before last year that is) and still make money is because the people of NY still supported their team as NY is a basketball mecca…. And the fact that every Knick fan after a horrible game went to their computer and called for the torches and pitchforks to go to Isaiah Thomas’s house….. Football is more prominent just about everywhere else.

        LA on the other hand when Kobe retires will either flip over to the clipshow or have their own pitchfork party depending on whether the lakeshow can entice the magic into trading Dwight. For the record, Dwight did come out on record saying that he did not want to follow in the footsteps of Shaq. Lets see if thats for real… Anyways yellow and purple pitchfork party is probably in the works right now if they are not able to seamlessly transition out of the Kobe era.

        point being huge populations of die-hard fans that can afford to spend money = large markets = winning franchises with the way the system is now……

      • scud70 says:

        Imad,

        there is definately truth in what you say regarding winning and to win you need a good roster, it goes without saying that there will be teams both rich n poor that no matter what the salary structure is will get duped into signing over priced players. What you miss is the point that not allowing a team like LA have kobe, pau, bynum, odom .. or a miami team that has 2 of the leagues super stars and bosh in the one team rather force them to move to other teams and make those teams better, this may not happen in the next season or the one after that but be sure that from experience i can tell you that good players will move for the highest money and not only that they will move when they know that they dont need to gang up into super teams to win a title…. i say i know from experience because here in Australia all the sports have Hard salary caps and my favourite sport has probably the most stringent cap out there but the team out of 16 i would say 10-12 of them are title contenders and the top 8 that go to the playoffs are so close that it usually takes the last game of teh season to choose the top 8 this year even the 8th team could have finished 4th if things went their way…..

        for me its either get the league going as soon as possible or dont have a season at all and build the league, system, salaries again from scratch …

      • CJ says:

        Are you sure we are talking about the New York Knicks, winning I mean.

      • Andy says:

        I can’t disagree more…. I am a Knicks fan since 1992 and look at the team from 2004-2008 seasons – there was no player that could be named even a star and not a superstar for sure – there was a band of overpaid running clownes then, arguing about virtualy everything and the Knicks still got tons of fans – but this is about TEAM and not the players – of course those are the ones that play the game, but this is about a TEAM and the game. This thing that is going now is about players are greedy fools. They should all be fired and the owners should hire a new guys to play. And if You want to speak about player’s talents – go to Brooklyn and see what other guys on the courts are doing and You will see also many talents there that will never get a chance to play in MSG just because they didn’t have luck and not the talent like those others greedy bustards had.

  61. dave says:

    Kennys right. The fans are going to be really pissed off. The fans are the reason all of these guys make money. I mean how do you go from having huge ratings and looking to increase the league’s overall revenue for 2011-2012 to locking out the players and looking at having no season. Does no one (players/owners) see how this can make their overall revenues crash?

  62. mark says:

    come on guys… lets play basketball again… this is very sad to hear… its the fans that’s making both the players and owners rich… its the fans who bought tickets to games… its the fans who bought jersey and other NBA stuff… so please stop all the whining about salary cap and start playing basketball…