One Man’s Plan, Part II

HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS — We’re a week into this NBA lockout and there have been countless solutions proffered up by the masses, informed and otherwise, that would supposedly end the misery for us all.

But here at the hideout we’re terribly selective in what we read and choose to believe in. Emotional and knee-jerk suggestions are fine, but when there is little to no chance of it happening in any realm, it’s hard to spend a lot of time dwelling on those sorts of mythical plans.

There is an alternative to some of this labor tomfoolery that has invaded our space and it’s being provided by HT fave and Hang Time Podcast regular Ken Berger of CBS Sports, who continues to deliver some of the most salient commentary where the lockout is concerned. Having already detailed his strategy for bridging the collective bargaining agreement gap via revenue sharing, Berger is ready to share the second phase of his plan for labor harmony. And this time he’s locked in on the salary cap issue:

You are going to see a lot of similarities between what I am proposing and what the NFL already has had. The NFL system isn’t perfect, but there’s a lot to like — starting with, of course, far more substantial revenue sharing. So if we’re taking a fresh look at how the NBA does business, make like ‘Melo and tip your cap to yourself if you know that the first issue that has to be decided is … the cap.

The players want to maintain a soft cap with a plethora of exceptions that allow teams to exceed it. The owners have proposed what they call a “flex cap” with a $62 million midpoint and undefined upper and lower limits. Any salary system with an upper limit is, by definition, a hard cap. And by the same logic, any cap that can be exceeded isn’t a cap at all. I am with the players (and the agents) when they point out that nothing in the current system forces owners to overpay players with multiyear guarantees and the like. The problem is, the tools currently at management’s disposal aren’t giving low-revenue teams a chance.

While the prospect of a “hard cap” hasn’t been met with a welcoming tone by those in the union camp, Berger does the math and then offers up an interesting take on how to make it work:

The most effective way to narrow the gap is to institute a hard cap with little or no funny business, wiggle room or exceptions. The cap just needs to be higher — higher than it was last season, and much higher than the absurd $45 million the owners originally proposed. So to get the number, let’s go back to my proposal that has the players getting 52 percent of basketball-related income in the first year of the new CBA. That’s $1.976 billion, less $150 million in benefits, divided by 30 teams, and voila: the salary cap for the 2011-12 season is $60.9 million.

According to league salary figures, nine teams have committed payrolls above that amount for next season: the Lakers ($93.5 million), Magic ($76.1 million), Spurs ($73 million), Trail Blazers ($70.2 million), Suns ($67.7 million), Heat ($66.2 million), Celtics ($65.8 million), Hawks ($65.1 million) and Bulls ($62.7 million). There are two ways to deal with this problem, and the NBA should do both: 1) Phase in cap compliance for two years; and 2) Allow for the restructuring of contracts to provide an avenue for teams to keep their core players while getting under the cap, as in the NFL.

For the first step, the two-year phase-in, we’ll set a second-tier limit allowing teams to spend up to last season’s average payroll for the 2011-12 and ’12-’13 seasons: $67.5 million. That spares the Heat, Celtics, Hawks and Bulls. If those teams, the other five already projected to be over $67.5 million — or any other team, for that matter — wants to spend more than the second-tier cap, they’re welcome to. But they’ll have to pay the worst-performing financial teams for the privilege and will have to plan to be under the hard cap in ’13-’14, when the second-tier cap will go away.

Again, this is just one man’s plan for solving some of the sticky issues that have led us to this lockout. Whether you agree or not, and reading the entire piece is a must, you have to admire anyone willing to tackle this topic the way Berger is doing it right now.

86 Comments

  1. louie says:

    …I think the 2 real hurdles that need to be overcome are the issue of hard cap and length of contract. Hard cap in my opinion will make it ‘fairer’ for other team to compete and eventually have a chance of winning a championship. With a hard cap, it will be very difficult for a team to have 3 or even 2 max player on their roster. Because we all know that start player will always say that they would want to go to a team that can win championship, what they are not saying is that they also expect that team to pay them max contract. If a star player go to a team which pay him considerably less than what he will get from a ‘non contender’ team, then that is his prerogative but highly unlikely…
    People also need to recognise who NBA labor leader are really fighting for or representing in regards to length of contract. Are they representing star players or role / supporting players who represents majority of basketball players in the NBA? I my opinion, it is the ‘star ‘player who are oppose to shorter contract as they are the one who stood to lose a lot of money if they did not perform. In the current system, a player can sign a max contract for 6 years but can become a bench player in the 2nd year up to the end of his contract. If the contact is cap at 3 years, the quality of NBA games will dramatically improve as all players will always strive to do their best as they will be free agent sooner than later.

  2. sascha says:

    ..we are living in a society that runs on capitalism. Not the nicest system,but obviously the one that is currently in place. With entrepreneurship you pay for quality. Within this system it is never fair. People prefer to live in NY or LA rather than in Durango. Miami has better weather than Minneapolis… So leave it up to entrepreneurship. No cap, no crying. Pay everybody what they are worth. Stop having ex Players with no business background run the company. How can an explayer be able to manage the financials of a company when 60 percent of all the players go broke within 5 years after they retire?
    Don’t forget that everywhere the weakest links get fired first. In business it was the callcenter agents (india anyone?). You can be sure that more than all the players it will be the team staff that suffers. Minor league scouts, cleaning lady, ball boys, receptionist….
    Both sides are arrogant and unaware. Welcome to the 21st Century. Anyone actually realizes that the whole country is going broke officially soon (in reality it has been for a long time). So please don’t take away B’Ball. Let’s play!!

  3. sirreel says:

    its lebrons fault

  4. JMoon says:

    OK, why does there have to be a cap at all? Whatever happened to free enterprise? You pay a player what you think he’s worth. You use the profit you make to try to bring in players taht will generate more profit. If someone else thinks he’s worth more and think they can afford to pay him more, that’s fine. If you think it’s worht investing a bunch of money to bring in several players, then do it without having to worry about going over the salary cap.

    It’s just like an employer — you pay someone what you think they’re worth. It’s so simple and yet it would work. Who cares if one team is better than the others. “It’s unfair” is so childish. Everybody will naturally want to make their tea the best, so they will invest what they want to bring in whoever they want, and if it generates profit, they can invest more. The cap just makes no sense at all to me.

  5. da bulls says:

    what i mean is that there are so many comments on this page like, “next year if theres a season the heat is gonna own the nba”. im sorry but its not gonna happen

  6. da bulls says:

    lol i love how heat fans always think something is gonna work out their way when no matter what lebron is always gonna choke. why didnt lebron go to college? cuz he didnt want to show up 4 finals! XD

  7. alex says:

    When the league says it lost 1.8 billion in 5 years….where did this money come from??? Has the league borrowed 2 billion to cover expenses???…or was it sitting on 2 billion surplus?? I am confused?

  8. TV Rights and other NBA Related Rights that generates income should be handled by NBA itself. And Divide the income to the teams via percentages in ranking.

    English Premier League is doing this.

    Lock out like this looses everyone including fan. But when they will start loosing money that will be the time they will compromise.

    Hard Cap should be implemented so other team will have a shot at superstars…

  9. bamz says:

    @celtic

    still mad at the heat for destroying your celts? get over kid!

  10. peter says:

    i honestly dont understand all the fancy words i just want to see bball again who cares who gets more if the fans dont like wats going on then nobody gets paid so quit ur whining over payed players and corrupt owners

  11. watcher says:

    Brick layers, construction workers, factory plebs and a ton of other ‘normal’ jobs also require people to put their bodies on the line (I’ve seen up close what many years of manual labour doe’s to an individual as far as long term injury goes) for a far, far longer period of time at a miniscule percentage of what these players receive. Not to mention the very best of medical care these players have at their disposal. So, unless we’re all gonna drastically raise the wages of all who suffer debilitating injuries due to their occupation (occupations that have a real impact on society, not just entertain us), the argument that NBA players sacrifice their bodies for such a wage is moot.
    The owners bought into a franchise which is controlled by the NBA umbrella. This isn’t a case of buyer beware into the great unknown of business. This is a well established entertainment industry. These franchises don’t just disappear (as a failing business often does) when the going gets tough. They either evolve or move towns to a more attractive looking and profitable location. Under the currect expansion credo that the NBA adopts, the players will have no choice but to eventually accept a few of the non-negotiables (hard cap – just swallow it and move on NBAPA) that the owners have stated. And for the sake of the overall health of the league, the owners will have no choice but to accept revenue sharing as the way forward. Will these two issues redress the balance? Probably not. Will teams, players and agents find ways to circumvent whatever the CBA stipulates? You betcha. During the NBA’s worldwide peak in the 90’s the players were getting 48% of BRI. During the worst recession in 80 years the players were getting 57%. The owners aren’t perfect by any means, but ending this starts with the players. The owners aren’t in a position to lose, and will sit for as long as it takes to smoke the PA out.

  12. Jesse says:

    Well, the whole country is going down. The USA is no longer stated in the first place in many aspects. Giving up the NBA means they move to further south. Not to worry, there will something emerge, and, fast, to replace the role that today they are world-wide playing in the field of sports.
    To establish the mutual understanding in order to help the fading glory is never easy. So, lock them out, forever and ever.

  13. hilliardsaces says:

    Players should get paid less but a hard cap is impossible to maintain . Unlike the NFL the NBA is a star driven league and when teams cant afford to get stars they will not profit. A prime example is Cleavland who refused to spend enough to get Lebron a second star but in the end it cost them many more millions to lose him all together. Too many teams in the NBA are far too content to miss playoffs if it keeps payroll down . Both players and owners should be paid in a per win basis with a salary slot based base salary with win bonuses . For example the last place team should have to pay an uncompetitive fine. Each team should have a franchise player who makes 10 million a year plus 1/82nd of base salary for every win in regular season. And a 10% of base salary for each year with same team up to 10 years (100%) as a loyalty bonus . This would give players options to stay for loyalty bonus or if they feel a more competitive team can earn them more money without loyalty bonus. Also a 35% of base salary for making playoffs 60% for advancing to 2nd round (on top of 35% bonus) 85% for getting to conference finals and 150% for championship. The playoff bonuses would be partially compensated by non playoff teams with the worst teams paying more for an uncompetitive fine. This would force owners like Elgin Baylor to spend money to be competitive or lose money. We all like to think players are greedy but owners take shortcuts to save payroll while players must workout all year long watch diet and travel most of year while owners simply collect a check. If the NBA is foolish enough think loyal team fans will pay to watch “B” list players they are wrong. The NFL can get away with that because the system and team history and prestige is more important than star players . As a matter of fact the NFL fans are somewhat anti star players and view them as divas.The lockout will be decided by the owners who have billions and the players will bow down but in the end the fans are the ones who suffer.

  14. PedramSPURS says:

    Hey People Look around other countries,other businesses and other etcs…
    It’s the owner who DOES the investments and takes risk because of the profit to make.the players should understand that they’re not above owners decisions.I’m absolutly on Owners side and players (even suckers!) are getting too greedy,stop them

  15. Michael says:

    I like the suggestions regarding the cap. I would change the BRI share to 52-48 in favor of the owners. They’ve endured over $1 Billion in combined losses since this last CBA was instituted.
    http://hoopsscout.blogspot.com/2011/06/shame-on-nba-players-union.html

  16. Lance Reyes says:

    What needs to happen was to have a fallback clause that would end a lockout from the n.b.a. altogether by doing this one thing.
    If two sides cannot come to a new agreement, both sides should exists under the old one.
    This prevents lockouts from ever happening and the fans wouldn’t be punished fron seeing summer league, and the season being gone.
    but also forces those that want to be heads of both sides to be ordered to meet everyday until an agreement can be made and if the two heads cant agree then change may be in order

  17. How bout this says:

    i agree with the salary cap tier system on sekous OP…
    if players dont want hard cap then so be it but the consequence of going above the cap should be met with harsh financial penalty so much so that the owners wont risk going there, but the option is still available…

  18. heatfan34 says:

    u guys need to realize that the heat arent even the highest paid team the lakers need to get rid of some of thier players of course u guys all want a hard cap so ur guys sucky teams can finally be good but u guys need to realize that its not the good teams fault that some teams suck just instead of getting good players they try to get players they think will be good but arent

    • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

      nah the problem is players dont want to come to dead end cities, like detroit…cleveland…miluwakee (dont if i spelled that right)…sacremento..or teams with bad reps like the wizards, golden state, charoltte, and others

      players nowadays are more concerned about the glamour and fame, the “where i can be seen” act, so good players who are in those kind of cities seem to leave for places where there are alot of stars and glamour, LA MIAMI NYC HOU DAL ect…

  19. AJC says:

    Personally, I think it should go to NON Binding arbitration, and let a panel of selected arbitrators decide which model they think is fair and equitable, then take the time out to negotiate the difference if neither side agrees with the arbitrators. Then, each side submits their final offer AFTER non binding arbitration , then if no deal is reached, agree to a last round of Binding Arbitration, and a short 3 yr contract to test the tenability of the new deal.

    But again, when greed trumps common sense, it isn”t possible.

    2 arbitrators the league selects
    2 arbitrators the players select
    3 random arbitrators, including one FAN representative as fans have a stake in the game as well.

  20. AJC says:

    PLayers sacrifice their youth and their bodies for the game. I saw Bob Lanier once in Eastern Market in Detroit and he was limping like a 80 year old man. A player’s career is 5-7 years, few players play 20 years like Kareem, Shaq, Kidd. You have players like Grant Hill who have had 8-9 surgeries, all game related. How do you compensate a person for lifetime damage to their bodies ? They deserve much of what they get. There are examples of overpaid players, but again , fault the owners who jack up the bidding and the salaries. I agree that the larger market teams should share a percentage of their TV earnings with smaller market teams. Greed is at play here, and it’s not just the players. But unlike the NFL, NBA owners don’t want to divvy up the gross. IN fact, when a large market team plays a small market team on local television, why in the world should only the home team gain financially ? Both teams are on television and both should profit, but somehow , that common sense seems to be lost on the owners.

    They should maximize their potential while able to. It’s called capitalism. The owners have a choice, Not to pay the high salaries and risk losing the star players to teams that are, or to Europe . Their choice.

    Small market owners are the one’s who are whining here. They take on struggling teams and expect a guaranteed profit. Actually for the league to be a viable business model, some teams must fail, it insures owner turnover and new investment. No one is going to sell a cash cow. The owners should confer and change their business model first, then negotiate with the players instead of playing this game of cutthroat where no one wins. Reminds me of the current Republicans playing chicken with the world economy.

  21. Duane says:

    A team like the Lakers that has won a lot over the last 10 years. 5 titles. To get to that point. How would the Lakers go from 93 million down to 62 or so million. Kobe and Pau are going to be making almost 45 million next year and add in Odom at 8 million and Bynum at 14 million. That is over 60 million. It would not be fair for a team way over to have to get rid of players to get to some point. Seems like a lot of ideas that work for teams that are always in the lottery and that do not win. But teams that win have to pay there players. Can not have it both ways.

    • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

      I think the Lakers have created a hole with the high payroll of kobe gasol and bynum, odom is fine i think, but with the other three making so much jeezzzz, how can we ever get a good enough bench?

  22. HeatFan17 says:

    this lock out means that there is going 2 be no more future super teams. sorry newyork but looks like cp3 wont come even if he wanted 2 lol. its the heats league now!!!

  23. Mik from Australia says:

    Everyone wants more money…. simple.
    But if we walk up to our boss and say i want a percentage of what the company makes, they will laugh at us, or ask us to chip in to help cover losses.
    Get players on the 51/49 scale… but if the NBA loses money, they have to chip in, cause they are part of the reason, they are the product… hahahahahaaaa (will never happen)
    I love BBall and i pay to play at a high grade, but if i got offered my regular job money (about 35,000) to go play in the NBA, i would do it in a second……
    the players need to realise that the NBA can lock them out, shut down the league, start up Strike Breaker League and people will love that, Fantasy BBall would be back, fans would watch cause we like to be entertained, owners and the league would make money. it wouldnt be rich guys bitching about money, would be guys who just want to play…
    it wont be a 10/10 league, but maybe an 7.5/10…. and it would be the only BBall on. Would be easy to find 300 replacement players who would play for $100,000 a year or less. Then these other guys can try to find a job somewhere else that will pay several million a year for someone with no qualifications who didnt graduate college…. I would bet my whole paycheck plenty would jump ship and take a pay cut just to play ball again.
    If u want your dream job, you dont bitch about money, you take what they offer and love it.

  24. John B says:

    They won’t go to poverty… they’ll go overseas… just like these huge corporations are sending jobs overseas to turn a greater profit players will go overseas to make more money and those overseas teams will chomp at the bid to pay them what they are worth… next thing you know the NBA will no longer be the greatest league in the world… sad but may be a truth if things continue to go this way. Athletics is a big part of the american economy right?(I’m not enconomist but I’m fairly certain it is considering all of the jobs it creates and the money it makes) America needs the NBA right now. Sorry but those teams need to pay or bounce in my opinion.

  25. lb6 says:

    i think its the players fault not its teams. if the players play better, they would be in the playoffs. if the players play better then their teams worth would go up then salary will go up. y punish the teams if the players are not playing better. if the nets clippers raptors are losing money, then dont sign bad players. invest on the better players.

  26. Viper139 says:

    One of the biggest problem is income disperecy – some bigger market teams have huge TV contracts giving them a whole bunch to spend (Lakers…), Other smaller market teams get significantly less than that.
    That is stupid – just put all the TV money in one pot and divide it. That way most teams would be able to break even, even in smaller markets, while teams like LA would have to cut down spending.
    And don’t give me that you have to spend 90 Million to make it to the finals – both teams in the finals were below 61 Million 😉

  27. da bulls says:

    Why are people blaming the owners and not the players? The players are the ones who get paid so much and are asking for too much when some of them dont deserve it. So many people are struggling just to keep a home while these jerks are putting the entire NBA on the line so they can get their 4th or 5th mansion or a corvette to add to their other 20 cars. The owners are just trying to help their team do good. They may have been a little careless with money, but you have to spend a lot to win championships. Just look at the Lakers.

    • joey says:

      its the front office fault coz they dont want other teams to get their franchise players so they match the offer sheet which is to much like lewis, haywood etc. so some front office personnel are using strategies to let other teams way above salary cap by offering high salary to star players that they feel will not be release by their teams. this is a mind game guys, thats why dont put the blame to the players,its the greedy teams gamble for giving too much salary to other players. its like a bidding war for the players and the players just want of course the highest bidder. put a salary cap to franchise players (max 2 each teams), ave players,role players and rookies. there should be no exceptions (Lakers….)

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        Wat you mean Lakers, we have no exception…

        Kobe and Gasol are the quote on quote “STARS” of the team…end of story!

        Ron Artest is not a star….but his best season was in Houston, yes he helped us win in 2010, but to delcare him of an ALLSTAR status is baffling, he served his role, and when his shot was finally falling he did what they payed him to do when first signing him

        Lamar Odom has been with the Lakers for a while, since Shaq left in Miami, and not once has Odom been a star any of those years, he fills his role out as a GOOD bench player but that is it, and even at times he has shown INCONSISTENCY except for past season when he won 6th Man Award

        Bynum in my eyes is not a star, and if you want to consider him one then that was our luck because WE drafted him, no trades or free agency walk in

        And after them who else is left, Fisher? Shannon Brown? Steve Blake? Matt Barnes? Theo Ratliff? …yea get real, people always have to throw LA’s name into everything and not really looking at the roster. I agree though that Kobe and Gasol have been overpaid in their deals, and because of that we dont really want to pay for any other better role/bench players

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        Wat you mean Lakers, we have no exception…

        Kobe and Gasol are the quote on quote “STARS” of the team…end of story!

        Ron Artest is not a star….but his best season was in Houston, yes he helped us win in 2010, but to delcare him of an ALLSTAR status is baffling, he served his role, and when his shot was finally falling he did what they payed him to do when first signing him

        Lamar Odom has been with the Lakers for a while, since Shaq left in Miami, and not once has Odom been a star any of those years, he fills his role out as a GOOD bench player but that is it, and even at times he has shown INCONSISTENCY except for past season when he won 6th Man Award

        Bynum in my eyes is not a star, and if you want to consider him one then that was our luck because WE drafted him, no trades or free agency walk in

        And after them who else is left, Fisher? Shannon Brown? Steve Blake? Matt Barnes? Theo Ratliff? …yea get real, people always have to throw LA’s name into everything and not really looking at the roster. I agree though that Kobe and Gasol have been overpaid in their deals, and because of that we dont really want to pay for any other better role/bench players…

    • Dwade3 says:

      the players arenet asking for anything, the owners are offering ti tot them so yeah there gonna take it

  28. AJC says:

    I don’t see the problem with a 50-50 split. I agree the current 57-43 split is untenable for the owners but to reverse that and give the players 43 would be a little dramatic as well. 51-49 would be another option with the owners getting the benefit of the doubt here, but in a locked out season, ticket sales will suffer so the entire purpose of locking out the players will be lost as all teams will lose money in a locked out season.

    The players are not responsible if other teams compete for salaries and drive the salaries up, the owners should handle that and not make outrageous salary offers for players who aren’t worth it in the open market. In fact, the salaries should be statistic driven. A computer model of the best performing player for each year should be taken , then based on that model and that players salary, scales can be made which determine if a player is in cat 1,2,3,4,5 , all the way to cat 12 to indicate player number 12 who warms the bench. Regardless of tenure in the league, a million max for this player should be the ceiling than upwards to the number 1 player.

    Say the #1 player’s salary is 10 mil , then #2 is 8.5 , then #3 is 7 , until we reach 12. A sliding scale based on performance would also stop the slackers in the league who are there just for the paycheck all teams have them. ( My Pistons has one, who I can’t name but we know who it is ). All salaries should be performance based anyway and if a player doesn’t meet certain criteria, then his salary should reflect it.

    There was a post earlier that the Players should take into consideration the leagues losses on the WNBA. Why ? The NBA isn’t responsible for the leagues experimental ventures. That’s the league and the owners problems. Expand haltime to 30 minutes, and play a 24 minute WNBA game. Lots of ways to make this profitable,

  29. Ryan says:

    Well, I feel that each team must start from the head coach and work their way down in cutting salary. Keep staff under 2-3 million a year at most. keep every other player under 5 million a year and your “franchise” player under 10 million a year. Yeah the owners need to stop forking out all this money, but then the players need to stop being so greedy with all this extra money, yeah its nice to make money, but if your already making millions a year, your set for life. Kobe signed a 4 year contract last year for 100 million. thats rediculous. if we maxed it to 10 million a year, thats 40 million over 4 years, thats still PLENTY. Plus thre owners have that extra 60 million to put towards other players, if you think about it, that evens the market out for the rest of the teams, so its not a matter about whos got the most money to offer anymore, its about who’s got the best “team” to offer to win a ring. and that “extra” money, can go to other improvements for the teams arena’s etc, cuz im sure the sacramento kings can use that extra few million to go to a new arena, or facelift of the facility!

    • Dwade3 says:

      lets see, the players do 100% of the work and you want them to get about 25% of the revenue? if anyone needs less money its the owners, they are billionaires and still wanting more so if they can do that i dont see why the heck the players cant get what they are worth to a team, get rid of all salary caps and pay market value, no one wants to pay a guy like juwan howard the 5 million minumum he is at now so reduce the veteran minimum salary requirement to 2 million and pay the players what they are worth,

  30. Nisha-Let's Talk says:

    All I know is that they need to get things together so we can have some basketball in OCTOBER!

  31. joey says:

    why dont they used reverse salary cap. The champion will maintain their salary cap within the median, while the first 5 tail end losers can have the higher salary cap for them to have a leeway to get quality players to make their team competitive.

  32. Zac says:

    Damn Players. Getting 5 million dollar a year and still not satisfied?

    Well, not all of them, obviously.

    Nowitzki does not make commercials because he does not need the money and he doesn’t want to waste his time making them!!!

    Owners should lock out those greedy guys completely. Send them to poverty!

    • JP says:

      Billionaires making hundreds of millions from a suite of businesses also not satisfied.

      A person between jobs once said to me everyone with a job and every company must be greedy if either of them want more money, because they already have more than me. It’s called tall poppy syndrome, it’s easy to fall into.

      For the players that had big contracts, I look at it this way – you get $4 mil a year to play at Team A, or $7 mil at Team B. Who do you choose? For most players, that $3 million is worth something at least.

    • gorg says:

      “Nowitzki does not make commercials because he does not need the money and he doesn’t want to waste his time making them!!!”

      that ist not exactly right. here in germany you can see him in some spots

  33. Mr. J. Beasley says:

    I can’t believe these spoilt arrogant childish brats are doing this to us hard working honest people who have given this league & this business 90% (or so) of it’s income for over several decades. How dare they all!
    They earn X million’s of dollar’s every year, and they’re all arguing over a few more. They all better shut up and keep there heads down, if they know what’s good for them.
    Our country’s (Great Britain & US) just stepping out of a recession, and they have the nerve to argue over a few more millions to line their pockets.
    what they should do, is shut up, keep there heads down, and be grateful for what they’ve got, because for every NBA player & business body involved. There is a billion dying to take there place.
    Start up the ‘NBA’ again (before it’s to late & while you still have the players to create a league) and make a public apology via NBA.com (that goes for all involved! You stupid greedy ungrateful children, because you’re not acting like men) And above all, get your act together -THE LOT OF YOU!
    -Mr. J. Beasley
    A fan, and a contributor to your wages

  34. Mrfuzzybear says:

    “There is no model in the world where the employee guarantees the employer profitability. It’s the risk you take of business ownership.”

    Well my thoughts on this are pretty simple if you don’t have the money to buy something don’t buy it.

    It seems to me that owners have payed certain players money that they just don’t have.

    As much as people don’t like it, teams like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Boston, Dallas. I imagine all of these teams can afford huge payrolls because of the cities or their owners. And so they don’t hesitate to spend big money on their players.

    However, these smaller market teams don’t have the money to pay. So why do they keep granting players these huge contracts?

    Then they say we can’t compete because we don’t have the money. Well that’s not the players fault. You agreed to sign them for this huge amount of money.

    And obviously since any average contract worker is not going to agree to renegotiate a deal which is very favorable to them, The owners are trying to go around the individual players and change the rules of the league and in effect not have to live up to the full agreements that they agreed to.

    I think if “not being able to compete” is such a huge issue then the owners need to workout something between themselves.Instead of trying to force players to take a league wide income loss because a certain number of owners allowed their gm’s to sign players to these huge contracts.

    “TRUE MARKET VALUE”

    I don’t think a hard cap is needed at all. Another problem that we have is that nobody wants to pay or be payed the true market value.

    For examples players want all of these huge veteran minimums, mid level exceptions etc. I even remember reading something where the players are guaranteed a certain amount of league money which is put in escrow. Which seems great and everyone has gotten used to.

    But then they want to turn around and complain that owners want a hard salary cap, want a cap on the maximum years, a cap on rookie salaries and a cap on maximum salary per year etc.

    I say let everybody get payed what they are worth.
    Have a soft salary cap that is low.
    Have a tiered or leveled luxury tax that increases drastically the more a team spends.
    Have no guaranteed minimum salary or no limited maximum salary.
    No limit on player contracts. If you take a big risk and you should be rewarded for it.
    Injury clause, if a player’s injury keeps him from performing for an extended period of time 2+ years.(not sure on this)
    Dumb decision rule: every 3 or 4 years a team can buy out a player for a reduced price. Maybe that would help alleviate the stress from the many bad decisions that teams seem to make that gets them into such financial turmoil.
    Contract void because he was unable to render services that he agreed to in contract.
    If you can’t pay a player don’t sign a player.
    As far as the revenue split what is fairer than 51 – 49
    Players get 51% because of money owners make that is not counted as basketball revenue.

  35. Bfan says:

    1st to ROCK it is not BK against McDonalds. Its BK against BK, and they do have franchise rules in place so all the franchisies can be profitable. And though it is to be part 3, revenue sharing is in my opinion the most important part of this mess. The owners should have and could have come to an agreement years ago. They chose to hold off until now so they can make it look like the league is in worse shape by pointing to teams that are struggling. If they structure the rev sharing properly then there would be a more accurate finanancial base to negotiate a fair deal with the players. A true hard cap could then be defined with a minimum threshold that would stear payrolls to a proper average so then both parties would feal they are to get what is negotiated. Remember a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

  36. Adam says:

    Hard cap is the way to go. Shorter contracts too. The owners take 100% of the risk for 43% of the reward currently. Does that seem right to you?

    • JP says:

      The problem with that percentage statement is that, equally, I could say, the players play 100% of the basketball for just over 50% of the money. Does that seem right?

      (Also, I think the players do take the risk that they don’t get paid if there’s no NBA, or their team folds. That’s something, isn’t it? If not, why is anyone ever unemployed, if jobs grow on trees?)

  37. Don Gaiter says:

    In response to Mike’s statement ” let me emphasize by reminding you that a couple years ago Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire, & Chauncy Billups were on 9 different teams instead of 3.” Only Wade and Billups had championships. The owners have to AGREE to sign multiple super stars in the FIRST place !!! One owner could care less about another owners profit /loss margin. These same owners will make an over the top offer to free agents to get them for their franchise. When you do something like that,you stand a chance to lose money . There is no guarantee that you will make money or win championships. What we must remember is free agency is just that…FREE AGENCY. Even though the players of yester-year didn’t want to be on “stacked” teams,that was their OPTION !! Options work both ways. A team like the Heat should want to raise the cap.As it stands now,they are gonna have to hope that TALENTED free agents will agree to take less money to help them win a championship. A higher cap could only help them. Smaller market teams don’t have a chance at getting great players if they don’t draft them initially. When their contracts (super star players on small market teams) run out,they bolt to warmer climates or to markets to be seen for other business reasons. The playing field(or court) will never be even for every team in the NBA or any other sport.

    • kaare says:

      that fact is consistent all over the world. in all the prof. sport leagues how many times is the bigger cities best. all most always. thats how the world goes around. even an instalment of a hard cap would´nt change this. why do you think shaq bolted for La La land? hollywood and a higher public exposure. and look what that brought us. movies like shazam, or what ever that movie were shaq is a genie, is called.

  38. AJC says:

    ” The players must understand the game must be interesting for the owners “.

    There is no guaranteed business model in the world. The owners know the risk of business failure when they take it and it is up to them to make their franchise successful. It is not the onus of the players to take salary cuts to guarantee the owners profit margins. That is up to the managers and their hired guns to make the necessary moves such as concession fees, parking fees, season ticket prices, merchandise sale and local and national television revenue. Small market owners know the limitations of this when they enter into the league. There is no model in the world where the employee guarantees the employer profitability. It’s the risk you take of business ownership. If the players revolt, bolt to foreign leagues and those leagues, because of viewership, negotiate television contracts in order for the public to view certain NBA star commodities, both the league and the owners lose. It’s time for the players to either do so or form their own league the way African Americans did who were shut out of the major sports leagues in the 1940’s. Most of those leagues were not only profitable, but a diverse audience patronize them because of the immense talent such as the Negro Baseball leagues, the way fans would still patronize a player owned league. Union busting has become an American pastime and the people lose, not the owners.

    • Rock says:

      Great comment
      What the owner’s don’t realize is that the problems start with them. We have already heard that Jerry West and other high owners were not fans of sharing their hard earned money with lower level teams. Then we see a free agency period where several people were obviously overpaid. Joe Johnson gets over 100 million? Really? The problem is these owners are greedy themselves, then end up paying out all this money to guys who never produce. Next thing you know, their team sucks and they are losing money. Why should these owners be guaranteed a profit? If Burger King loses money because of McDonalds, can the owner ask for a restructure in the fast food industry? It is about managing your business to success, which many of these owners haven’t done. Why take on a small market team if you know the barriers that exist. The one thing I agree with the owners on is the veteran minimum. I think that should be lowered from the 5 million or so that it is to at least 1.5 million. Veterans have been in the league for a while and if they manage their money correctly, they should be able to make it with 1.5 a year. Instead, people like Juwan Howard are getting 4 to 5 million to come in and set picks.

      • brian says:

        yep that’s how the veterans should be dealt with yet i have seen noone that agrees or has written about whats that about
        anyway this guy is completely right use nfl as a model but do not completely go the same route NBA

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        Rock, my friend, you are wrong, or maybe just had things mixed up, the veteran minimum is around 1.5-3 miillion, somwhere along those lines, and MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION (which owners want to get rid of) is 5 million, so people like Mike Miller were given those kind of deals for 4/5 years, making 20-25mil on his contract

        and joe johnson took the most money by staying with ATL, and got paid 120 mil, which we can all see he doesnt deserve lol

    • Box says:

      Of course no business in the world is guaranteed to make money…
      however, if another business has an employee thats not pulling their weight, it doesn’t take long before they fire him. thats the main problem with the nba, guaranteed contracts…all these guys have 1 good season and all of the sudden they command 15-20 million. There is no other business in the world the keep around unproductive employees.

      • David says:

        If they command 15-20 millions, the owners have to pay them and sign a contract. So if the player is not worth it, it is the owner’s misjudgement not the player’s.

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        David did you not just read what he wrote, alot of playes who have these crazy contracts HAD A GOOD SEASON, like Reshawd Lewis the year Magic went to the finals, that offseason they believe he was a BIG part of their success with Dwight Howard and give him the big 120mil contract, then season after season (until last sesaon when Magic traded him for Gilbert off Washington) he never produced or lived up to his contract worth or even the good season he had when in the finals

        so its not all the owners fault, its like some players play for the payday and once they get it and know the money is guarenteed the just desire not to play hard anymore…

      • R4 says:

        I co sign LA…

  39. Mike says:

    let me emphasize by reminding you that a couple years ago Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire, & Chauncy Billups were on 9 different teams instead of 3.

    • Brendan says:

      good point but i would like Boston to lose there big three or should i say big 4. I like the idea of making all teams a contender for a title but if you have to brake up such great teams like them forget about it. You cant just stop free agents from going to good teams. The reason why they do this is because they want a title and you cant stop teams that have money and want good and if the players want to go there whats going to stop them. If you ask me just give the teams more money so they have a chance to get good player and keep the draft the way it is with the picks that way a lot of teams will improve.

      • Brendan says:

        I meant i wouldnt like to see Boston lose there big 3 or big 4.

      • QuestionMark says:

        I don’t mind Boston having their big 4 because they all went after their prime,I would like to see Miami break up their big three, Lebron or Wade and Bosh, Lebron or Wade are great enough to cary their own team, its understandable they want to win, but again in the old days, players like MJ won their first ring in their late 20s, Lebron is only lke 26, at still has alot of years left to win one.

      • celtic says:

        there’s no reason in the world teams should have to give up their players for what people would consider: “competition”. heck, celtics havent won since 08, heat couldnt pull it together for 11. lakers (with bryant, gasol, bynum, odom) are the only team with multiple stars who have won a legitimate number of times in the past 10 years. this lock-out isnt about all-stars being on the same team, it’s simply about the money they’re being paid to be on the same teams. forget about “who’s where”: look at Oklahoma City: small franchise, great players in KD, Westbrook–two new elite players of the game–plus a great center in kendrick perkins, one of the great developing off-the-bench players in james harden, and a great defensive player in serge ibaka. they’re not over the cap, have a championship team in the making, and played very well this season and last season. this is proof that you can have smaller franchise teams with championship prospects and all-star players.
        didnt anyone notice that the dallas mavericks were NOT over the cap this past season AND they still won the championship? they had dirk–the truest all-star in dallas. sure kidd, terry, marion and chandler all were great too, but dirk was who won it for them. one current elite member of the league surrounded by strong players, and together they defeated the self-pronounced king, bosh the court jester, and d-wade–the one who had act to support his desire. this “big three”, on the over-the-cap-bound miami heat, was defeated by dirk and his cast of well-deserving supporters. another proof that stars dont win it all.
        forget about who’s playing where and worry more about how much they are being paid to be there. teams should, in all truth, be allowed to pay for more than one star. but a cap would be nice–that’s what will save the financial/moral state of the league. if the players would forget about the undeserving loads of money they receive to throw a ball through a metal hoop and would play basketball, we wouldnt even need to be talking about a 7 billion dollar lock out gap.
        but this isnt just the players’ faults for being greedy (though not all of them are greedy), this is as much the fault of the franchises who are PAYING THEM. i know this is bold to say but, if the owners of franchises bucked up and didnt offer such huge contracts (like the +30 million kobe receives) to the players, maybe there wouldnt be so many high pay rolls. nba players who play less than 40 minutes per season get paid better than men and women who work regular 40 hour shifts a week. they have no room to ask for more money, they dont deserve it, and the owners are definitely at fault in this lock out for practically begging players to play for them by offering a substantial (though truly ridiculous) increase of numbers to their pay check.

      • Joner says:

        @ Celtic – The Mavericks had 1 of the biggest payrolls in the whole of basketball and had significantly more than the Heat did…$86,628,319 total to be precise.

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        @CELTIC

        why do the lakers get falsely acclaimed in everything, only team with a handful of stars??? Come on man…

        Lamar Odom is not a STAR, he is another Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford, I guy who could start on another team, but DOES SO WELL coming off the bench to produce instant offense, and I even put Terry and Crawford ahead of him, because until last season Odom could be very up and down and inconsistent for the Lakers

        Bynum is a BIG, wouldnt consider him a star, because half the time he isnt even playing due to injury and other have to carry his load, he did play well these playoff though I will give him credit there, had very good numbers, but he is still not the same level of Dwight Howard or even Yao Ming in his good years (before injury woes)

    • EZ says:

      @Celtic, what you are saying makes no sense! You want superstars to join together and make close to max money?? you sound like you are working for the players union. You cant have teams go over the salary cap to Win Championships!! It is not fair competition. Dallas went over and thats why the won. They purchased the 2011 Championship last summer when they got tyson and a whole bunch of supporting cast for Dirk. Its like playing a pick up game and picking all the best players and going up against the left overs! This is where the NBA is headed. Sad state. If it wasnt for Revenue Sharing many teams would have dissolved and dissapeared. We might as well have a 10 team league since the same teams keep on winning.

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        YOU ARE A COMPLETE FOOL! –THE MAVS BOUGHT A CHAMPIONSHIP, DUDE STFU!

        DIRK didnt even take the max on his contract so Cuban could go out and get some other players.

        And CUban didnt create most of those players contracts, Shawn Marion was traded to them from Miami Heat (his contract was already established, Mavs just took it on)

        Caron Butler, DeShawn Stevenson, and Haywood all aquired from Washington in a trade for Josh Howard and cash, once again those three players contracts were already established

        The team has always had Jason Terry, Jason Kidd has been there for what 3 years now,

        Peja was acquired in a trade from new orleans, and that fool has a TON of money left on his contract, which Cuban did NOT establsih, Peja getting all that money but didnt do jack in the playoffs except end up riding the bench for half of the Thunder series and all of the Miami series..

        So check your statements before you get on here posting TRASH, Miami is the TEAM who thought they were going to BUY a championship by getting the THREE BEST PLAYERS ON THE MARKET OF FREE AGENCY 2010

  40. Mike says:

    agree with Berger about the necessity of a hard cap. revenue sharing is useless to teams if players are willing to take paycuts to stack a team. Then teams like the Heat have to breathe life into dying teams like Sacramento. That type of NBA is the least profitable and the least fun to watch. The NBA will be better off with stars distributed between the teams, which will attract a much wider audience.

    • David says:

      Then how are stars gonna win multiple championships? Without multiple championships, people will always find excuses that yesterday’s stars like Bird, Magic, and Jordan are better than today’s. This will make marketing for the nba more difficult.

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        Winning multiple championships? How does that bring more to the NBA??? SMH…you know nothing, teams should be more balanced or at least ABLE to compete with major cities. Leborn Wade and Bosh? There is no reason for them three to be together, Bosh and Wade fine, because Bosh is similar to Gasol a nice/good 2nd option for the MIAN guy, ie KOBE/WADE…

        Lebron is another Wade/Kobe, an ALPHA MALE, he should be on another team, didnt have to be Cleveland, but some other team like NYC or NJ who hasnt been in the playoffs for years and with the pieces they have could definitely become a contender.

        NBA stars do not NEED to start that pattern of joinng each other, back in the 80s and early 90s, Jordan and Bird and all the other hall of famers of that time didnt join up because their teams drafted quality guys and made good trades to add needed pieces. This is the same trend that needs to stay in the NBA and this new collective agreement will SOLIDFY THAT!

  41. Diego Krieger says:

    This one sounds like a really good plan, but it follows the lead on what the owners have proposed. Players must understand that the game must be interesting for the owners, otherwise they will not invest on it. And if they don’t invest, they don’t get paid. It is ludicrous that players have 57% from the revenues and 22 or 23 teams are losing money. The hard cap will allow a more balanced league and it’s a thing that every fan wants to see. I don’t want to see a clash between Miami and Lakers every year. I beg that the players stop being such crying babies and realise that if the league starts to make more money they will be benefited too. I understand their need to protect medium and veteran players, but come on, they will be very well paid, I guess that more than 3 times an average american worker salary.
    Players: stop being greedy and let’s play some b-ball!

    • QuestionMark says:

      Agreed, I don’t think its fair for teams like LA Clippers, Raptors, Nets, etc, who haven’t played the Playoffs in years, I would much rather have a balanced league than a team like L.A who won 6 times the last 11 years.

    • Beleg says:

      Agree… right now its no more about b-ball… its just about money… its shame…

      • Rocket33 says:

        Exactly right. They just care about money and their image. Why else would they rub our faces in it on MTV Cribs and such shows all the time? I like the “You’ve gotta have the” talking about a Bentley or Ferrari or something.

        I miss the 80’s & 90’s. Bring back Jordan, Magic and Larry Legend! Here’s an idea. The NBA should put on a mini tournament with some old legends of the game to keep us entertained while today’s divas get over themselves.

      • bart says:

        beleg, you are wrong

      • Homer says:

        BART!!!

    • David says:

      I actually don’t think its the players problems at all. The owner have smart accountants, and if you are not sure how much accountings or simply the “way of saying things” can alter the reality, then you should google it and it will suprise you. Now back to the topic, there is no business in the world that is gurenteed to make a profit, if there is, then me as well as everyone else will be in it. The fact that Stern said he want to gurentee every owner a profit just doesn’t make sense. Also, the owners should not blame the loss (if there is one) on players due to their mistakes. The NBA should act as a free market and remove any and all caps and let every player get paid their market value, that means bigger name as well as contract in large markets. Why? there are more people seeing them of course. The NBA should be like the MLB, which is the oldest league in the US. They are doing well for hundreds of years without a cap!

      • Frank says:

        David, We are not talking here about every business in the world. We are talking about the NBA. The NBA is very, very profitable. I think that the misunderstanding comes from the fact that the lower ranked treams don’t have the talent to draw crowds or make the playoffs. Therefor, they don’t have the money to draw in the players which do draw in the crowds. This is the cycle they find themselves in at the moment. The teams which are willing to pay over the average to draw in the big talent have no issues. This is about the owners and teams collectively. I personally think that the players are greedy and even if they do take a pay cut they will still survive.

    • R4 says:

      I begin talking like this for years and finally people see what i’m talking about. My friends who are die hard basketball fan just want to see the stars but the common folks want to see the team. NFL system produces great superbowl where teams that were over look during the season turn out to be champions. I think every team should have the ability to win it all in a hard cap system. If players want to take less to play in a city desire then that there choice but I know many players that would take the money and run. chris brown once said “look at me now”. Players are not playing for love but money. Too many person don’t even compete anymore, just imagine if they could be cut from there contract for the lack of work. I know regular people that if they choose not to work at work they lose there jobs without question.

      I just hope when players are receiving calls from Wade, Melo, Fisher, and Howard about supporting the fight. Ask them why call now and how did you get my number cuz when I ask for your they told me you were busy.

      • LATILLIDIE (lakers2011-3peat) says:

        AYE, i love this comment, you made the PICTURE soooo CLEAR! and i agree with you on the NFL part, your right, teams that do good all season dont always end up in the superbowl, and teams you would least expect to win sometimes come out as the champs, it is much better that way!