MVPs, COYs rarely partner up


CHICAGO – The buzz around United Center in the hours before Game 1 of the Chicago-Atlanta series Monday – non-game-related, anyway – was all about when and where. As in: What time would the NBA’s Most Valuable Player Award be presented, and where would Bulls guard Derrick Rose actually receive it (practice facility, hotel ballroom, etc.)?

Nothing was official, of course. But Rose seems to be a lock from various straw-polling of media voters and thus would become the youngest NBA MVP in history. He was born on Oct. 4, 1988, making him 22 years, six months and 29 days come Tuesday.

But there’s more history in the making. If Rose wins, it will mark only the 12th time that the MVP and the Coach of the Year have been chosen from the same team. Chicago’s Tom Thibodeau was announced as the COY winner Sunday.

Considering that the awards will have co-existed for 49 years once the 2011 set is complete (the COY was first awarded in 1963, the MVP in 1956), that’s not a high percentage. The thinking by a lot of voters seems to be: If a coach has the MVP on his squad, his job might not be the league’s toughest. Or something like that.

Beginning with Boston’s Bill Russell and Red Auerbach in 1965, the MVP and COY partnered up five times in nine years: Wilt Chamberlain-Dolph Schayes, Phila., 1966; Wes Unseld-Gene Shue, Balt., 1969; Willis Reed-Red Holzman, N.Y., 1970, and Dave Cowens-Tom Heinsohn, Bos., 1973.

Then there was a mighty gap until the Lakers’ Magic Johnson and Pat Riley won the awards in 1990. Chicago’s Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson did it in 1996, the only season in which Jackson was deemed worthy by voters of a COY.

There has been a greater frequency lately, with four in the past 10 years – all in odd-numbered seasons. That pattern starts with Allen Iverson-Larry Brown, Phila., 2001, and continues with Tim Duncan-Gregg Popovich, S.A., 2003; Steve Nash-Mike D’Antoni, Phx., 2005 and LeBron James-Mike Brown, Cle., in 2009.

85 Comments

  1. lbjmvp says:

    d rose, is the second worst shooting mvp in the last 47 years behind a iverson. horrible

  2. The Rocker says:

    i wanted dwight howard

  3. Miami#136 says:

    What the hell is wrong with pretty much anyone who says lebron shouldnt be MVP because he was 1-18 in last second shots?
    So What? the MVP doesnt sit down and look at who made the most game winning shots this season, otherwise the mvp candidates would be rudy gay and tyreke evens?
    MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, is up for interpretation, but it is not the award for the most clutch performances.
    D-ROSE won, and should have he carried his team the same way lebron carried cleveland, kobe carried the lakers before pau arrived and nash carried the suns.
    lebron could have won and i could still say the same thing. the only thing different is that lebron plays with d-wade who is just as good
    learn engligh and learn basketball before acting like a bunch of tools

  4. AZ says:

    wow i was readin this an it hit me, back in 01 philly had Allen Iverson lockin down MVP, Dikembe Mutumbo as DFPOY, Aaron Mckie as 6th man and Larry brown a COY, they had 4 of the 5 awards shut down!!! i aint no expert or nuttin but i dont think ive seen that again, i miss the old days when iverson, t mac and francis wereon top of their game!! rose wouldnt even be a contender if he was around in those times

  5. kam_soluusar says:

    Rose Deserves it. I thought the MVP stood for Most Valuable Player. To me, this means, a player a team cannot do without. I will not argue that leBron isn’t a great player. But Chicago had the Best record this year, and without Rose, I doubt that the Bulls would have made the playoffs. In contrast, with just Wade and Bosh, Miami probably would still make the Playoffs. As we all know, (though many won’t admit!) The Eastern Conference is weaker than the West (Check the W/L ratio of East VS West if you don’t believe me. And teams with losing records still make it through to the playoffs in the East, unlike the Western Conference, but I digress.

    Rose deserved it, he got it. Jeez have a little Patience Miami Fan’s! I have no doubt you will get yours. The league can’t afford to Alienate 3 of it’s biggest star players. Think of the money they’ll lose.

  6. Mchievous says:

    2010-2011 MVP IS ROSE!!!

    BUT 2010-2011 FINALS MVP!! LEBRON OR WADE!!

    BOSTON IN SEASON THEY BEAT HEAT 3-1, BUT PLAYOFFS ISN’T THE SAME! EVEN IN FINALS,.. DOESN’T MATTER IF THEY WACK IN RANKINGS,.. ITS THE TEAM AND THE PLAYERS TAHT MATTERS!! LOOK NOW! YOUNG BIG 3 JUST PUNISH THE OLD BIG 3!! WOW!!

    HEAT IN THE FINALS!! CHICAGO HAS THE CALIBER! BUT ONLY IN EAST-FINALS…

    IT’S EITHER HEAT-OKC IN FINALS OR! HEAT-LA!! AND THAT’S FINAL.

  7. DR1 fan says:

    man… derrrick rose has been unbelievable, he changes the game of basketball in chicago.. after are 41-41 season for 2 consecutive years look what he did this season… at 3 years in the best league, rose is just the man right now…

  8. skt says:

    give the MVP To Rose, Lebron will win the crown. very few MVP winners will come away with a championship. Thats why lebron transfered to the heat so that He won’t win the MVP award every season of his career, just win the championship.

  9. nikki says:

    Lebron is BETTER then D Rose & he deserved the MVP for the 3rd time.. But i read on Yahoo Sports that D Rose will be accepting the Award tonight.. Lebron got ROBBED…… D ROSE was Most Improved hes NOT MVP material

  10. Rich says:

    Niwitzki is gaining ground, but it may be too late. Derrick Rose still gets it !

  11. whitemamba says:

    Scalabrine for MVP

  12. Unknown player says:

    I thought that the year 2003, kevin garnett won the MVP?

  13. K3 says:

    when d.rose gets double team by lebron and wade who are two of the arguably the best players in the nba that makes him mvp

  14. CHICAGO BULLS#1 says:

    SHUT UP HATERS CUZ DERRICK ROSE IS M.V.P AND THE BEST IN NBA WHY CUZ WE NUMBER #1 !!!!!

  15. MR. BOXINGSCENE says:

    LBJ is the MVP

  16. MR. BOXINGSCENE says:

    lebron is the face of basketball ^_*

  17. jay-r says:

    D. rose is m.v.p. lebron transfer to miami coz he want to win rings but in the performance “LOL” d. rose just beat miami 3 times in the season so shut all ur mouth coz d. rose will bring the m.v.p. award in chicago…

  18. Mchievous says:

    My 2010-2011 MVP is:

    Leave it to stern..

  19. J-Bram says:

    LBJ could win MVP almost every year, but now that he has two other superstars on his team, that pretty much just ruined it for him. If he had his own team like Rose did, he would probably win it. I give props to Rose thought, he really improved his game AND his team. Well deserved MVP award,

  20. KOBEBRYANTLAKERS says:

    I THINK YOU GUYS SUCKS ………KOBE IS THE MVP FOREVER ..NOBODY CAN BEAT THE LAKERS JAJAJAJA PAUL GASOL BYNUM ARE MVPS TOO………SO WHAT HAPPEN WITH FISHER AND ODOM MY BOYS……..THEY ARE HUGE…THAT’S WHY LAKERS WANT ME TO PLAY IN THE FINALS……YEAHHH BABY UJUUU HAHAHA PRUMMMMMMM GO KOBE GO KOBE YOU ARE MY MAN..LOVE YOU

    • Rich says:

      Lakers and Heat are too beefed up with superstars. Rose is the rightful MVP ! Nowitzki comes next.

  21. moneyball says:

    I believe that drose deserved to be in the voting for the MVP but lebron deserves the MVP more than drose.
    just think about it, drose just had the best year in his career. lebron kills it every night. You who say drose deserve it should understand that lebron is putting up the same numbers he put up in Cleveland on a team that has 1 superstar and 1 all-star on his team, not to mention all the haters in Cleveland.

    but drose is the only star on his team and would not be as productive as lebron if he was on the heat instead of lebron.
    lebron is flat out better then him

  22. Joel Dominican says:

    You’re too wrong, the player that have to be the MVP this year is Derrick Rose, couse Miami have a Big Team and Wade is the Miami’s Star, you can’t forget that Lebron’s not alone remember that they have an Army of Player: Bosh, Bibby, Ilgauskas, House, Anthony, Etc, what are you talking about!!!!!, i’m ever and ever the Kobe’s fan but you have to know the truth: Rondo!!, MVP? Why, Boston always be in the play-offs way and they don’t need to him, but the way, Derrick Rose carry His team hardly to the Play-Offs and over the team of Miami, and Boston. Sin Duda, Derrick Rose Most Be The REAL MVP, Ok, you must know That, Luck at his numbers and tell me again.

  23. Law064 says:

    D Rose is MVP hands down!!!!

  24. Law064 says:

    Rose is the MVP no question about it.

  25. mike says:

    MVP is nothing without a championship!!! hehe

  26. memphisfan889 says:

    I think just because Lebron is playing with Dwade you cant deny him the MVP. You see the last 2 years he got it without him. Made gamewinners without him , got to the second round without him. but it was a team where he knew all of the people . now he has to adjust .he is still doing his thing , statwise. I think the biggest difference between Lebron and Wade is their mental toughness because LBJ’s ability to close out games got worse over the course of the season while people were writing worse and worse stuff about him and by close out I mean points in the last 20 seconds he was still terrific in the 4th quarter. wade seems to have no problem. I think the only case that can be made for rose is that his team is 1 , he always has to be the person to close out the game and nobody can catch him (although he is 5 -28 on game winning shots) and that he is way more appealing to the people. he is 22 (youngest mvp ever) and looks like a human being in contrast to lebron james who has made the decision and looks like he has traveled back in time to create himself. and dont misinterpret my words. i dont think drose is a bad player . i just think hes number 2 right now in the league. Lebron has played a better season with more problems thrown at him than rose who gets love everywhere. greets from germany

  27. KBLAL24 says:

    my award picks:
    mvp: derrick rose
    sportsmanship: luol deng
    most improved: kevin love
    offensive player of the year: derrick rose
    defensive player of the year: dwight howard
    citezenship award: ron artest
    coy: tom thibodeau
    sixth man of the year: lamar odom
    scoring champion: kevin durant/lebron james/carmelo anthony
    best record in league/nba champions: los angeles lakers/chicago bulls/miami heat/oklahoma city thunder

    • Rich says:

      Who cares about your list ?! But I’m with you :) I hate that none of them were Mavs but I agree with you.

  28. Jack Schmidt says:

    There were many well observed points in that article. It is also interesting to note that while there have been back to back MVPs ala Nash, Jordan and LeBron, those same coaches on those same teams (with not so dissimilar records ) have not won consecutive awards. I think that reflects how fickle we are when it comes to analysing coaches, once is good enough and then we wait for them to fail.

  29. Captain Obvious says:

    BRIAN SCALABRINE IS REAL MVP !!1

  30. KOBEBRYANTLAKERS says:

    LOVE YOU JAMES////LOVE YOU WADE……..THIS IS MY DAY HUUHUH HAHAHA YEAH BABY …..MY NAME IS KOBE AND I WANT SOMETHING FOR LEBRON AND WADE JIJIJIJI

  31. KOBEBRYANTLAKERS says:

    MMMMMMMMMMMM HI GUYSSSSS……..LAKERS WIN HATERSSSSSS ..KOBE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE UNIVERSE…HE WILL BEAT ANY TEAM……..GO KOBE …I LOVE YOU I NEED YOU …..KOBE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MAN YEAHH YEAHH HUUH HUUH HAHAHA

  32. HEAT says:

    DERICK ROSE IN NOT TIME FOR MVP THIS SEASON
    AND THE REAL MVP THIS SEASON IS ONLY PLAYER IN THE HEAT AND WHO? IS

    HE! LEBRON JAMES

  33. dham says:

    VOTE MVP;
    NO BODY BODY BUT YOU ..HHEHEHEHEHE LEBRON JAMES

  34. Gilbert says:

    Well, I admit that Derrick Rose should be deserve an MVP because he has all the skills, especially in crucial time of the game, he made a plenty of plays that could involve other teammates to scores, thats the real esssence of an MVP.Cheers for Rose as an MVP for 2011..

  35. Rob says:

    LeBron’s had a great statistical season, but he won’t win it. Irrespective of the difference in both Miami and Cleveland since the Decision, it’s clear that LBJ doesn’t have the same appreciation of the award that others might have. Sure, he wouldn’t begrudge winning another MVP, and just about every player would take a championship over an MVP, but the public declaration of chasing a ring at the expense of the MVP would make the voting committee hesitant to reward him for that stance. Perhaps James didn’t mean it this way, but you could interpret what he said as “The MVP will go unappreciated if I don’t have a ring to boot”.

    Sometimes you just have to reward hard work and leadership. Look at the Most Improved Player, Kevin Love. The Timberwolves finished up with yet another league-worst record, proving the club is insolvent even if you have an All-Star forward. But you couldn’t help but reward him for the NBA-record double-double streak. Rose is probably one of the Top-6 players in the NBA right now. Not to mention, aside from LeBron, there’s probably no other player in the League you’d trade him for, and that includes Kevin Durant.

  36. Chicha says:

    If you would base it on stats, it’s definitely lebron, or durant, or howard. But if you base it on the performance this season, drose have won it. Drose carried the Bulls from 8th seed to 1st seed in the east, and have the best standing in the league with 60 wins. It’s not about the stats, it’s how you carry your team.

  37. Dorell Wright says:

    the heat big three should all be co mvps, because without them its impossible to win except that last game in toronto

  38. Miami Thrice says:

    anyone remember that one guy named kevin durant that was picked as the preseason favorite to win mvp? sure lebron might be putting up similar numbers to his mvp years but he also has dwade and bosh for help. and the heat going from a 5 seed last year with just dwade and a bunch of scrubs to barely a 3 seed this year isnt really mvp caliber in my opinion. anyone who uses the cleveland is way worse off excuse is horribly mistaken too. that team was built to lebrons strengths and mo and varejeo were gone for most of the season so obviously they would be bad. dwight is underachieving with the talent on his team but thats more coaching i believe. kobe hasnt really done anything more remarkable than hes done the previous few years. this years mvp really came down to the fact that there really is no true mvp candidate, and while drose wasnt spectacular, i think hes winning it cuz no one expected him to get his team this far whereas durant was probably expected to become a 1 seed and was hampered by westbrook having an amazing season

  39. HatersJustFearThem says:

    Im a big fan of LeBron but hands down to D. Rose he desrves to be the MVP even deserves to be the Most Improved too.. He really elevates his game this season on a more higher level than anyone in the league.. But i would still pick miami to win in the east..

  40. Harry Michael says:

    To say Lebron James to be MVP is dumb. Im a keep it simple for all you retards,
    with how bad the team went in regular season against 500+ teams and clutch games definitely does not deserve anything, not even a hug. Dwayne wade deserves everything he is the clutch player of the Heat

    Dwight would of been the mvp if Team work was involved and they found some chemistry to win a lot more games. The fact is they traded a much needed big man and ruined their team..MAGIC say goodbye to superman. too many losses = NO MVP for the man with the cape.

    DERRICK ROSE IS MVP..AND ILL TELL YOU WHY..take away his increased amount of shots per game, thats not a negative in my eyes. For Derrick Rose to be so fit for 82 games, without Noah and Boozer for a large period and lead his team to the Nba’s best record, well I should just stop talking. for someone to be clutch as well in games down the stretch well thats what valuable is all about. He has everything from being a 3pt shooter to an ace from the freethrow line..Well i think that is the definition of Most Valuable.

    Thank you.

    • Sankalp Patel says:

      First of all its the post-season that matters. I’m no heat fan but I’ll admit that Derrick Rose does not deserve the MVP this year. There are other players in the league who deserve it more than he does, Kevin Durant has been carrying OKC by averaging 30 PPG. He has a far better 3 pt shot and is much better at the free throw line too. Lebron James also deserves the MVP. Just look at Cleveland now (dropped 42 wins and were the last seed in the league!). Now imagine the Bulls w/o Derrick Rose; they’d be fine (of course they wouldn’t make the playoffs but they’d still be an average team). LeBron showed how VALUABLE he was by going from Cleveland to Miami. Miami won 12 more games from last season (which still isn’t that good but at least they improved) and Cleveland sux (went from #1 to #30). That’s what I base a valuable player offf of.

      • Fed Rocha says:

        THIS YEAR’S MVP doesn’t include stats from LAST season. So it doesn’t matter how Cleveland is doing without LeBron. He won MVP last year for the same reasons Derrick Rose won it this year. He carried the team on his back and they won games, he was clutch, and it was LEBRON’S team. Now he’s with Miami and it is Dwayne Wade’s team. So why would LeBron win if he’s not even their best CLUTCH player or leader? And i don’t like the Bulls. I am a Nuggets fan, so don’t think I’m being biased.

    • Usuck says:

      @ Harry Michael your the one who is retard… or maybe your a part of the bulls administration?lol.. maybe your MVP might be sweep by the Hawks….

  41. kobe bryant is real mvp

  42. Elliot says:

    Rose, Howard or Rondo.

    Don’t gimme this LeBron crap.

    • HeatWave at Haters says:

      Get out of here. Ron-DOH! and HO-Ward? You don’t even mention Dirk, or Durant who are WAY more deserving than those two. Just had to hate on James huh?

    • NoRemorse says:

      Most valuable player means the player whom you wouldn’t be there without him type of award, the heat would still be top on of the top 4 seed even without lebron, but wihout rose in chicago, the bulls will fall to the 6th or 7th, Rose is the center of almost every Chicago key plays, he is a great clutch player, and playmaker/scorer. So eventhough James has been a great contributor for the heat, D-Rose clearly has the advantage. Even Z-Bo of MEM has a higher chance of winning IF he played like what he is playing all season long ^_^

    • Usuck says:

      Howard? already gone fishing.. Rondo? not even a top ten player… Rose? maybe, but Joe Johnson might spoil the party!!lol

  43. Trae Hova says:

    Derrick Rose is the hands down MVP… Every NBA player in the league is saying it Michael Jordan is saying it President Obama is saying it even Lebron James’ own teammates are saying it. Lebron had a great year stat wise but he did not carry the heat he is not the most valuable player on the Heat in my opinion look at the first game in the second round for instance D-Wade is the leader of the team… So stop it people really this is nonsense to say Lebron deserves it more than D Rose…

    • Jude Vallenuvia says:

      Derrick Rose is a “derrick” Le Bron James was the one leading the charge and decided to put his team first rather than his own personal glory. Derrick will always be out for himself and that simple fact he wouldn’t be the one carrying the team. There is no I in Team, and its called the Miami Heat not Miami Rose!

      • Phil says:

        Umm, this comment doesn’t make any sense at all. Please explain what a “Derrick” is? Better yet, please explain what you are trying to say in this incoherent mess.

  44. Kristian says:

    are you guys kidding me ! Derrick is undoubtedly the MVP of this season !!! what he has done with this team is incredible. not to mention is way of closing out tight games. If there were an offensive player of the year, then yes LeBron would have that in his hands no doubt. BUT MOST VALUABLE PLAYER? surely no one could question Derrick being anything other that.

    • Fact Not Fiction says:

      Just proved tonight that he is more deserving than any of the other candidates.
      P.S. Kobe choked

  45. HEATSUCK says:

    To say lebron deserves the mvp is crazy. He is playing with Dwaye Wade, another MVP candidate, which makes lebron succeed. He has less double teams and pressure on him due to having another super star on the court with him. Even with less pressure Lebron can not close games, and the Heat have not played up to their potential . Rose on the other hand has dealt with two quality starters, Noah and Boozer, having long time injuries, and he still won games. He is the onlly allstar on the team and the Bulls still had the best record in the East. The Bulls even beat the Heat all three games this year and lebron wasn’t even one of the top two players in those games. Rose is the MVP cause he means more to his team than anyone else. They won the most games, and his stats are great.

  46. Freddy Mancebo says:

    MVP=Most Valuable Player. The heat without LBJ would not be as good but they would still be a second round playoff team. W/ Lebron they are better but not by that much as proven by their play this season as the 3rd seed. You take Derick Rose away from the bulls and they would probably fall to a 6th Seed and it would completely change their offensive game without his threat to attack the basket. Shooters like Korver and Deng would not see as many opportunities as they do now. So i think MVP would have to be Rose for he is the single standout on his team whenever Boozer is out (which is a lot of the time). If Zach Randolph played all season the way he’s playing now he would also be a legitimate choice.

  47. bowwow says:

    beat ATL first bow!

  48. Gary says:

    What happened to Hawks in over their heads against the Bulls? Ahahahaha, damn I called this a week ago and people laughed. Now I was watching the game with friends laughing at how dumb they looked when Bulls choked. Hawks in 6!

  49. Usuck says:

    BULLS just lose game 1.. Atlanta is different from Indiana and Rose will be tested in this series

  50. Lebron 4 lyf says:

    Derrick Rose will never be as great as Lebron

  51. HeatWave at Haters says:

    I’m a big Lebron fan, but no way is he getting MVP. I mean I would love that but really after all this hype that’s been going on for Rose I wouldn’t want James too cause it will make him look more like a villain to Bulls fans and haters.

  52. jay pagz says:

    it should be lebron james for the mvp. look at miami and cleveland now?

    • jon lubanovici says:

      it’s not the look at my old team award it’s the most valuble player of THIS year. D. rose carried the bulls basiclly all by himself, bron had his plus 1 with him in d wade all year.

    • LADYROSE says:

      It has nothing to do wit stat! d rose was without 2 of his starters and he still managed to b not just the best n the east but the best team period!!! bron went to anothers man team to win! he is sorry! he will never win again! d rose put chi town on his back and has led us to VICTORY!!!!!

  53. mv3 says:

    lebron doesnt deserve it. he cant even close out a game. wade deserves it more then him.

  54. kit says:

    you are absolutely right Nisha..Lebron deserves to be the MVP…consistenly wise and look for the stats and actual game…Go Heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • kiethy says:

      really? i doubt about that you know why.?because james cant gained champoinship ring by himself he need some help from another starplayer like wade if he wants to be a champion.so he didnt deserve to a MVP.

  55. Krampot says:

    yeah. rose probably deserves the Most Improved Player award. MVP should go to LBJ of course.

  56. Nisha- Let's Talk says:

    it.. Sorry.. Derrick Rose should have gotten MOST IMPROVED PLAYER!! Too bad they already gave that award away… :/

  57. Nisha- Let's Talk says:

    LEBRON JAMES IS MVP FOR THE 2010-2011 NBA SEASON.. Quit playin with this derrick rose mess.. Lebron DESERVES

    • IMTHATDUDE89 says:

      @Nisha-You’re out of your mind lol……craziness

    • TY says:

      Understand this first and foremost…. DRose is the league’s MVP this year. Point. Blank. Period. If you cats haven’t noticed, this guy has transformed this team from a 41 win team to a 62 WIN team and the NO. 1 SEED! That’s remarkable considering he played without his bigs (Booz and Noah) 50+ games, had to survive both playing rusty upon their return, and then playing with a roster full of role players and making it work! Fact and the matter is no matter how you put it, in no way should Lebron Bosh and Wade not have a better record overall then the Bulls… If that was the case, maybe we can talk… Since it is not then Lebron MVP talk is obsolete!. Bulls have the best record in the LEAGUE because of Derrick Rose!

      • WhiteMamba says:

        Yeah and LeBron has transferred Cavs from winnig the Eastern conference(with61 wins) last year into losing it this year(with only19 wins). And still in an adjusting season to a new team aquired the no.2 seed with 58W. So the team impact is practically same, maybe even more with LeBron, so that can’t be the only reason for winning this award. Individually they ain’t so different either LeBron PPG 23.8 RPG 9.80 APG 6.0 EFF + 28.83 and Rose PPG 27.0 RPG 4.70 APG 6.8 EFF + 23.50, so can’t you really tell these guys apart. The accosiation should make LeBron and Derrick go 1 on 1 and let that make the difference!

      • Samuel says:

        To be fair, it wasn’t just Rose that changed the Bulls, a lot changed, they got a great new head coach who got them playing defence and closing out games. Deng has improved as well, and the Bulls added a lot of depth this year (Korver, Brewer, Asik etc) Boozer, while injured for parts of the season and somewhat of a let down, was still an important addition. Even though Rose may well be the key factor, there’s a lot more than just him to their improvment

    • Dylan says:

      your an idiot lebron doesnt deserve anything 1 for 18 in last second shots sucks!!!! Derrick Rose would take lebron to school lebron for mvp biggest joke of the year its obvious from everyone d rose has got it

    • paw says:

      james?deserved to be MVP sucks. maybe wade.