HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS – When does a little losing skid turn into an epic slide?
We’d say right about now for the Cleveland Cavaliers, losers of a staggering 21 straight and 31 of their last 32 games. They sit at a league-worst 8-40, the first team in the league to reach 40 losses. Last season, they were the first team to 40 wins.
They are just four shy of the NBA record for most consecutive games lost, territory no team wants to enter. (Coincidentally, that would break an NBA record the Cleveland franchise already owns — a 24-game slide that spanned over two seasons, from March to November 1982.)
Turning a blind eye to their plight worked for much of the past couple months. But we can’t ignore them anymore. Not with them on a collision course with history. They’ve lost 24 straight road games. Twenty-four straight.
How do you continue to grind through this sort of epic streak of futility?
“Keep fighting,” coach Byron Scott told reporters before Monday’s loss in Miami, of all places. “That’s all you can do. You’re either going to fight or you’re going to lay down. I don’t think we’ve got guys who are going to lay down.”
The Cavs haven’t given up the fight. In fact, their resolve has been nothing short of remarkable. It’s the reason we’re here at the hideout today rooting for them to get a win and keep from becoming the poster team for all-time awful. Because no team, no group of men who call themselves professionals, want to wear that tag.
We’ve been an eyewitness to some horrific seasons before, the Hawks’ 13-69 nose-pincher of 2004-05 was as tough a year to endure for those of us covering and observing the team as it was for the coaches and players who lived through it. Yet as bad as it was, it never got to the point where the Cavs are right now (granted, the Hawks never had to deal with the double-shot power of being jilted by the hometown hero for the bright lights of Miami and an unprecedented skid on the court).
At a certain point, there are no words that can suppress the frustration of being on the wrong side of the scoreboard every night. Nothing but an extended winning streak can help heal these wounds. And the Cavs can’t even manage one win these days.
They play Indiana Wednesday, but face a Pacers team that will be operating on the cosmic fumes of a coaching change that usually lasts for three or four games, at least. They will face the Hang Time Grizzlies in Memphis Friday, a team that has won six of its last seven games, including a big win over Orlando last night that pushed them over .500 for the first time this season. They host Portland Saturday, travel to Dallas Feb. 7 and then host Detroit Feb. 9.
You do the math.
Barring an upset in next few days, infamy is on the way for the Cavs. And you wouldn’t wish that sort of fate on your worst enemy, let alone a beleaguered bunch trying figure out how stomach going from first to worst in a span of months.
Hey, it’s not all bad news today.
We will leave you with the Top 10 Plays:
Alot of people are surprised at how bad Cleveland is doing…why?
I have to say this:
Many people don’t want to give Lebron MVP this season. They say it’s because he’s with a good team now? But let’s be honest lebron is playing just as well if not better than when he was with the cavs.
MVP means Most Valuable Player. I have this question for you:
If you were GM of ANY team in the NBA right now, and you were granted one wish where you could sign WHICHEVER PLAYER you want, from WHICHEVER TEAM, who would you sign?
I don’t care how much you hate him, you’ll sign Lebron James. Even if your team needs a center, you’ll sign Lebron James. Why? Because if you have lebron james on your team, any center will do.
You can’t say the same for Kobe, or Kevin Durant, or Tim Duncan, or Nowitzki, or Chris Paul. These players are all great for their team, but Lebron would be better.
Lebron was put on a team where WADE was already doing his same exact role (bringing him looked redundant), and look how much he was able to improve that team.
It’s clear now that lebron can turn ANY team into a winning team.
well yeah your right but when garnett was back with the wolves when he was younger i to have thought of that even if you need other position you’ll sign a player that could help every position but as of now i agree with you in the nba lebron is the best player there is even if how i hate him i admit that but still kobe is the best score there is in the nba
Well said Sir. Clearly LBJ is the franchise everyone would want despite what he’s done.
Imad Akel: Very true, but, the concept is not to be a winning team, The goal is to win a championship. Which LBJ lacks. So while he might bring in the crowd, put up some great stats, (which by the way aren’t as good this year as they were last) he won’t win you a championship with just “any” other players around him. So if I were GM, I wouldn’t go after the biggest dog, i’d get the best team. Basketball is a team sport, as seen by the Spurs and Celtics record. They are both teams that play like a team, As GM though, I’d start at PG and take Rose over LBJ. He’s doing more for Chicago then LeBron is doing for Miami. I also think Wade is a better go to teammate than Boozer or Deng. So Rose to me is doing more for his team.
to carter, rose is only getting better stats beacause he’s not playing with 2 other superstars. With that Lebron is just a few points and assist under rose, with d-wade and cb. Also it’s impossible to go from a 60+ win team to a team thats going to have the longest losing streak ever. That’s how much lebron means to the cavs and MIAMI
LOL at your ignorance. Lebron can hold together a championship team with ANYONE? Why the hell did he even go to Miami then? STFU moron. Think before you type
Seriously, any center will do?? dude, then what happened in Cleveland? Obviously, not any center will do…
Couldn’t agree more. There are great players in this league, but Lebron is different. Kobe had his time in the NBA where he was the lone star and we saw where that led too. He was called selfish, the lakers weren’t going anywhere until they brought in Pau.
Wade with the Heat, Melo with the Nuggets, you can keep naming them. They achieved what was expected. With the teams they had, they achieved the minimal. Lebron pampered Cleveland. We see now the kind of supporting cast Lebron had and we can appreciate what he did with them. This team without Lebron is 8-40 right now, going on a 21 game losing streak. With Lebron, a 66 and 61 win team in the last two seasons. Lebron is not only a great player, but he makes everyone around him good.
Now, when we see multiple stars on one team, it really shows just how great he was for Cleveland. To think, he took a cavs team with a supporting cast that was worse than these 8-40 cavs to the NBA finals
I agree with Sujevan. The magnitude of Clevelands losing streak shows the Magnitude of LeBrons value to a team. Remember when Jordan left the Bulls for two years they still did very well though not a championship. Jordan made them Number 1 instead of number 4. LeBron??? Fastest team to 40 losses from fastest team to 4o wins. From Best record in the NBA to worst team in NBA history??? That my friends is Valuable!!!
yeah…provided said team already has a marquis player in the roster
@Carter: I gave the GM one wish, to get ONE player, not a whole team.
It’s called MVP, im not arguing for a Most Valuable Team award (although i think that would be the Celts and the Spurs clearly)
@Ignorant, i didn’t say championship team. I said winning team. And last years, the CAVS did have the BEST season record. And they were championship contenders, even if the Celtics did beat them, alot of people thought it was Cleveland’s year.
@Big J: Yes, any center will do. Last year, lebron and mo williams were the only 2 working pieces on the team, and they finished with the best record of the season. I’m just saying if you are a GM, it doesn’t matter which position you are lacking, if you could sign LeBron or Dwight Howard (i have great respect for dwight btw), you should sign Lebron. Lebron will get your team to win.
If Lebron was traded for ANY OTHER PLAYER in the league right now, even Dwight Howard, the Heat would still not be better. There are many players who are “carries” (as in they carry the team to victory almost alone), but LeBron is the only “supercarry” (He carried the worst team in the league this year to the season record last year.)
I mean really, how much difference did the other changes in the Cavs roster from last year to this year make? Atleast 90%, if not all of the difference, is LeBron. 1 player, around a FORTY-FIFTY WIN difference.
Let me clarify i’m not saying Lebron can win a championship with any team.
But I am saying Lebron will up any team’s chances of winning a championship more than any other ONE player.
e.g. Substitute Kobe and LeBron–>lakers have better chance at championship
Substitute Dwight and Lebron–>Magic have better chance at championship
Substitute Rose and Lebron–>Bulls have better chance at championship
BETTER chance, not 100% guaranteed chance. He is ONE PLAYER, but he is the BEST PLAYER.
If I was looking to get one player and wanted to win short term I would go with KG. No, he doesn’t have the numbers he did when he was younger (although for the first part of the season and starting right now he was still doing 20/10), but he brings confidence, hunger, and most importantly: defense. Long term, obviously KG would not be the best choice.. he’s old, he’s injury prone, etc. But, based on the way Lebron has played in some pressure situations in the playoffs and the way he left because he didn’t want to be a leader (he pretty much said as much), I would take Blake Griffin or Kevin Love. If Kevin Love develops a hunger for defense he could be Kevin Garnett with 3pt range. Blake Griffon could very easily be the power forward version of Shaq, but with infinitely more athleticism.
lol man even you dont believe those words.
lets be honest, the top candidate will be kobe bryant. not so far behind is KD. then you have rose who is having an amazing year. lebron? yeah sure u pick lebron and when the contract is over he is leaving more quickly than he came. and if u got lebron with a bunch of random players, he is not winning a championship.
one more thing, when the game is on the line, who are you going to count on? lebron? dont make me laugh. wade is much better closer than lebron. or maybe he will quit saying that his teammates are not giving their all, who knows what excuse he will put up. btw, check the coaches pool at the beginning of the season. the question was: if the game is on the line, which player do u want taking the last shot. mhm, who can it be? the black bamba, kobe bryant. that should be enough.
look lebron is good, not going to deny it. i play basketball and i admire the guy when he hits contested shots, at the end it comes down to what a team needs, and if its the small forward position, i would go with durant. hes the top scorer of the game, unlimited talent, and the sporstmanship lebron lacks.
lbj only looked good on the cavs because the team was built around him. big z, shaq, varejao, and parker are perfect complement to james. not to mention his played on the same system for 6 or 5 years. his the GREATEST player in the regular season since mj is playing on chi town but james is also the GREATEST LOOSER on the PLAYOFFS. and i think that wont change in the near future while c’s are around
I am a huge Lakers Fan, and i agree and disagree that Lebron is the MVP! In terms of making the WHOLE team better, Lebron should not be the MVP! Rose has made his team better and each individual improved their personal stats as well as their record. Lebron IS the best player in the League! listen YES HE IS BETTER THAN KOBE BRYANT right now, but that does mean he should get the MVP award. Deserving? maybe. Kobe bryant WAS the best player in the league for 4 years straight (in terms of skill) who won? STEVE NASH (TWICE) and DIRK NOWITZKI! were they better than KB24? Not even close. Lebron is at his prime right now and KOBE already made his legacy. So in conclusion, he should not get the MVP award, and just know that he currently IS the best player in the NBA. Thats all that should matter….and yeah RINGS!! AT least five to even be considered being at KB24′s LEVEL. Peace ya’ll and just know im right.
I disagree with Imad’s first post…. because he’s thinking about it wrong!
MVP isn’t about who will be best your team for the future, it’s about who will be best for your team THIS YEAR.
And as much as I hate Kobe, there is NO WAY you would pick Lebron first in a draft to win this season.
Kobe is stone cold ice when the pressure is on… Lebron still has to prove that.
And if you are talking about the Most Valuable Player for your team to win this year, I cant think of anyone else other than Kobe who I would want going into Game 7 of the finals with.
Lebron number 1 for a GM looking to secure a franchise player for the coming years…. but for THIS YEAR, no way you can go past Kobe. (and I’m definitely not a fanboi of his, thats for sure)
WOW 21 loses. C what happens wen they dnt have lebron
This is not “the same Cavs without LeBron”. Also missing are Shaq, Ilgauskas, and Delonte West. Varejao has missed 17 games and will miss the rest of the year. Williams has missed 15 games and will miss at least another 2 weeks. Parker and Gibson have missed 9 games each and most of these guards were out at the same time (over the course of this losing streak, coincidentally). In 2009-10 Shaq, Z or Varejao started at center for all but 16 games. They have none of those three guys this year, in fact, there is no viable NBA center on the Cavs roster this year.
I’m not in any way trying to minmize the tremendous impact of losing LeBron. I just don’t think you can attribute the huge swing in the Cavs record to just his leaving. That was just the first of many bad blows taken by this team since last season. And it’s not like they could just spend the money on another superstar once he left. Cleveland couldn’t attract free agents when he was playing there. When he left they definately weren’t getting anyone to sign with them and as late as he made his announcement there wasn’t a whole lot left anyway.
LeBron may be the biggest part of the difference, but there is much more to it than just losing him.
I feel for them, really…. but I reckon Gilbert saying that “they’ll win one before Lebron does” put a jinx on them!
Maybe the gods said “righto, not only will you not win one championship, but you’ll be hard pressed winning one game”
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I hope they dont break any records, because they dont deserve it. But proof is in the pudding….. and I’m telling you now it aint because Z left
. Lebron can make ‘that’ much of a difference.
No team should go from 1st to worst. It’s got nothing to do with talent though. It’s all mental. They have just quit. It didn’t happen to the Bulls when Jordan quit. (twice) They were still contending for the championship. The Cavs should play better than this, especially in the east. It’s okay to start out bad but after that you are supposed to win. These are all NBA players. Coaching is also to blame. This should help LeBron’s case for MVP though.
The Bulls were not contending for the championship after Jordan left.
They dropped to 17-65 in the 99/00 season, and 15-67, the worst in team history, in ’00/01.
You also need to consider their injuries.
2 of their main players are injured, 1 is done for the season, and he just so happens to be the power source of this team; he keeps them going.
You can’t really blame them.
Hes talking about 94, 95 Bulls
Yeah, but after Jordan’s first retirement they still won 55 games and went to the conference semifinals. Granted, they still had Scottie Pippen in the team, but In expected this Cavs team to win at least between 30 and 40 games. Now thet would need to go 22-12 the rest of the way just to reach that minimum, which seems pretty unlikely. Talk about LeBron’s value!
your right they have a good team with varejro, jameson and mo williams… its not like lebron scored 100 points every game… its a mental approach… 1 player doesn’t win you 60 games though lebron did win them atleast 15 games by himself it shouldn’t be this much of a slide… Look at the trail blazer they lost both franchise players with injury and they still play hard
thank you, the cavs have quit….they were a 500 ball club before Lebron returned to the Q. That night he took their heart and stomped on it…and they havent since recovered from that
ALL MENTAL PEOPLEEEEEEEEE
Come on 3peat be real. They dropped most of these games with their full roster. It’s obviously worse now with injuries but to claim they were a .500 team is just bogus, and you know it.
i still have faith in my cavs.
i didnt expect them to go 61-21 again,
but i didn’t expect this.
the cavs are a good group of players without a core.
every team in the nba has a core player or 2 (or with Miami, LA, Boston, & SA, 3.)
the cavs need to get good draft picks this year, make some moves, & wait for the 2012 free agent class, or try to get melo.
it’s a long shot, but anything’s worth getting your team off its ass.
They just suck. Sorry, but it’s true.
Cause lebron is gone…
Lol that is why LBJ is gone. Look at the difference one man made to their team. I felt bad for the fans in cleveland until their citys only defining feature was their hatred of lebron. I mean get over it, they’ll have a top 3 draft pick for next season, they’ll either get derrick williams or jared sullinger and both of those guys aren’t Lebron, but at least they’ll be better than most of the guys on their roster now. Seriously though, when lebron left, no one in management was like ok we need to start rebuilding?? They have the same guys as last season and without the king they had no chance. Cavs management shouldve seen this coming
To me, it looks like they gave up, Lebron left, no changes whatsoever, only one player signed and that is Ramon Sessions. Im happy Lebron left, Dan Gilbert said he was gonna win a title before him, not gonna happen. Im sure Lebron will win like 5 before the Cavs get even make it to the Playoffs again.
No changes whatsoever huh? Man you peeps are clueless. Delonte West, gone. Z and Shaq, the only true centers on the team, gone. Varejao out for the season. The team that is losing these games is not the same team from last year. I’m not arguing the Cavs’ record or lack of talent this season, but it pains me to see how ignorant people are to why this is happening.
Gees … Cavs doing so badly, Miami doing so good … never realised the Big Z meant so much
LOL Big Z is a baller
WADE IS MVP OF THE HEAT!
You sir, are a funny man.
CAVS WILL WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP!! Lets go Cav
LMFAOO Couldnt keep a straight face writing this
I’m a wizards fan and we haven’t won a single road game and have yet to face the cavs at the Q. Somethings gotta give but either washington or cavs will be heartbroken beyond repair after that day.
Well when you lose Lebron James, who the Cavs pretty much depended on to take them to a championship, you are bound to lose alot of games. Truthfully, Im not surprised they are last in the league. Well have fun winning a title before Lebron, Dan Gilbert, LOL.
Im just hoping the Raps can turn it around before they end up like the Cavs.
Cavs need to get real. Its obvious they need a major overhaul and need to change up their core. Antawn jamison, mo williams and verajao is not going to cut it. They need to look to build a young core and suck it up the next couple of years. I dont see many marquee free agents wanting to sign there and they dont have many trade assests (jamison maybe), So what they need ot do is build through the draft similar to how okc and clippers did. It will take some time but it might be worth it if you happen to land a franchise player like durant or griffin. Its bound to happen though when you think about it. When you loose alot the higher your chance of winning the lottery and getting a good player. So until then cavs cant do much their hands are tied.
The truth is the Cavs are at this point almost guaranteed a top-five draft pick, plus a first-rounder from Miami. The bad news is they’ll be drafting in a year when the top talent might not want to commit to leaving college when there’s no assurance there will even be a season next year.
In other words, my chest hurts.
I want to see the Cavs with Jared Sullinger, but they’ll probably fail to hold on to him and call him a traitor afterward. I see a potential cycle going on here.
NOBODY WANTS LEBRON ON THERE TEAM CAUSE HE CHOKES IN THE PLAY OFFS GO KOBE
he doesnt choke wen everyone else cant score 10+ points on your team. also lebron isnt the one that went 6 for 24 in game 7 of the finals, and airballed a game winner which would have gave the thunder a chance to knokc them out of the play offs. Talk about cholking
And Kobe wasn’t the one who didn’t shake hands after they lost the series 2 years ago. And Kobe wasn’t the one who got eliminated by the Celtics.
Yeah and Kobe wasn’t the one on trial for rape…oh wait…well at least he didn’t walk away like you said…oh wait 2008 NBA finals.
Jokes aside, most the players in the NBA don’t shake hands and it’s not a requirement like high school or college. Watch the games. Personally I wouldn’t have stayed to see that stupid dolphin teeth smile on Dwight Howard either.
Lmao@ James, Yep it was big Z who made the difference hahahahaha
I think this shows exactly why LeBron left. If he left a good team, a better team, as was said in the beginning of the season, then they should be doing better than they are right now. Each of those players still has a responsibility. LeBron had NO cast in Cleveland. It just looked that way, because he was that good. This is a LeBron-less team, and look how pathetic they are.
The NBA needs to contract. There’s not enough talent to make it a competitive league anymore. There are only elite teams, other teams hanging around the average to above average mark, and bottom feeders. Without a couple good early draft picks, there’s no chance for a team to improve.
There are only 6 teams above 500 in the East, and 9 in the West, a few of which are only barely over 500.
Hey, I don’t know if you realized this, but a ton of LeBron’s “cast” left as well.
And the rest are all injured.
to jmoon, i dont know if you noticed but that cast was a 38 yr old shaq and a 36yr old big z. and its there fault they didnt wanna re-sign them big z would’ve stayed
Even if they manage to pull away a win in the next games, I don’t expect anything to change. With the type of basketball they are playing, and with no motivation for winning on behalf of the players, another losing streak is just around the corner for them. The absence of players like Varejao, though important, in no way would have changed much.
The question – at least for me – is how you prepare the team for next year/s. I’ve got no idea about the talent depth of the upcoming draft class; neither can I imagine a lot of players who will want to be traded to the Cavs right now, or during the summer. The team will take time to rebuild itself but the presence of Byron Scott is the first step towards the right direction for me.
And although an oversees NBA fan like me will have little to say to the Cavs management, I think that if the goal is “Let’s make James feel sorry that he left”, the team will just continue to perform badly. Forget about James, and focus on how you will improve the team, without caring where Lebron is, like any other team is doing, even those who are on top.
Best wishes from Greece
I think the Cavs need mental therapy??
Playing great BB and your team winning is what it matters, what position are the Cavs now even with a roster of Stars like James, Wade and company, is what your team is capable of doing even without your physical presence that makes an MVP, I agree James deserves to be there, but there is still that little detail that is missing in action, win a “Ring” carajo!
Hey, Cavs fan here. I was watching the Cavs vs. Miami last night as I’ve watched pretty much all the Cavs games this season. I noticed something — Miami STINKS at contesting shots!
For 48 minutes, I watched Cleveland put a spanking on Miami in the hustle department. (Also Lebron got blocked big-time by Samrdo Samuels — a rookie hahahaha) The only reason Miami won is because of it’s All-Star offensive team. I’ll admit Cleveland’s shot contesting is worse than Miami’s (Cleveland is 30th in the league and Miami is maybe 29th?) but for a team that’s gotten all this praise, Miami sure does stink at defense. They did pretty good at stealing the ball, but we were waltzing in the paint and getting anything we wanted against them. Our shots just weren’t falling in the final 15 mins.
Therefore, a team like Boston that shoots really high-percentage shots will ALWAYS, ALWAYS beat Miami until Miami can learn to get down and actually show a hint of defense! Somebody better be there to clean up Miami if Boston faces them in the playoffs!
If the Cavs played as hard as they did last night against the Pacers Wednesday and the next several easier teams scheduled, Cavs could actually go on a little winning streak!
O stop hatin you bumm u it’s overrrrr for c-town now you an your no good dirty ball city need to take it like a hater fan you r.
they dont need to contest if no one makes
They didn’t try to contest shots, because no one respects those bum cavs. Luke Walton could probably put up 40 points on Cleveland lmao
Actually, if you ever watched any HEAT games, you would realize that they usually play very good defense, The reason they are struggling right now defensively is because the big 3 didn’t play together for several games or practices because of injuries, and they need 2 or 3 games to get it back together. And even now, they really don’t suck at shot contesting. Theyre top 10 in the league in blocks per game…. do your homework
Now this is Karma. Cavs fans really didn’t need to go overboard like they did against LeBron. There has been everything from cruel insults to death threats for the guy, and all you’re mad at is he went on T.V. It really is very silly, try to have a different motivation now and you will start winning again. LeBron is gone, forget about him, focus on your team and not “we’re going to be great without LeBron”. That doesn’t win games, simply put. I hope the Cavs do start winning, I really do, but only if they give up solely talking about LeBron for the rest of their lives. Focus on your team is the gist of it.
Well just goes to show you just how good Lebron really is. Love him or hate him you can’t ignore the tremendous turnaround in the Cav’s record. Guess they should have tried harder to land Amare last year at the trade deadline huh? At least then they could say they did everything possible to keep Lebron in Cleveland even if he was planning to leave all along. Think about it. Who is the best teamate Lebron has had before this year ? Mo Williams ? Shaq and Jaimison both of who are WELL past their primes. Personally I have nothing negative to say about Lebron for leaving Cleveland, that organization has done NOTHING to surround him with the talent necessary to win a championship. Case in point, the year after Jordan left Chicago the first time the team still won 50+ games, only a few games off of the prvious season’s pace. This years Cav team will probably end up with the largest drop of in wins from one season to the next in NBA history. Way to surround your all world player with championship level talent Cavs management!
Chicago won 57 wins in 93, then 55 in 94 without Jordan. But did not win the championship. however, this is not just black and white. Pippen was good enough to carry a team. Williams an excellent compliment to james’ game due to his outside shooting abiltiies, but certainly not the player to lead a team. dont forget Phil Jackson continued as the bulls coach.
everyone saying, they suck only because LBJ left,you guys forgot about the rest that left. Shaq, Delonte west and ilgauskas. probably not big players but they had there impact on the game. and if you lose Mo and varejao during the season to me its obvious this team is going to suck. they lost 5 core players and everybody’s is only noticing that lebron left.
they lost shaq and Z who r both 38 or 36, and they didnt wanna resign west. williams sucks and so does jamison
I like your point of view. Everyone is crediting lebron for the cavs worst record, and miami’s top five. Lebron was not the only player that left cleveland nor the only new arrival in miami. However, he is certainly the biggest reason for the cavs misery right now.
MMMMAAAAANNNUUUUUU GGGGIIIINNNNOOOOOOBBBBBIIIIILLLLLLIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Cavs have mental problems, period. That Dec. 2 night broke their backbone. Come on, hey have talent to win 30 games, but they’re dealing with several key injuries and, the most important, their owner poisoned them with his wish of revenge. Right now, they need to focus in basketball, need some draft picks and a massive trade, to restart, from the very beginning.
LeBron was the franchise, but he’s gone and won’t be back soon. They (Dan Gilbert, specially) gotta live with that.
Cavs Problem: Dont have a superstar or at least an allstar. We all know that James made Williams an allstar. if you dont believe, how many of you are considering williams right now to be an allstar? ZERO. Williams is a good player, a good shooter. But certainly not an allstar, unless he plays for lebron again.
The Cavs don’t have the talent to win a game at the local YMCA. Who’re they gonna depend on, that Lebron wannabe, J.J. Hickson?
I think the Cavs need to start moving some pieces around
Cavs need another scorer other then Jamison
Cavs should try to get rid of Rip Hamilton from the Pistons
hes not getting any minutes
they can trade away Varejao contract
regardless of who they get
if they want wins now, or in the future, trade trading players away.
what they have now isnt doing them any favors
It’s ok…we are right behind you ( T from T.Dot reppin Da Raptors) ,,, btw (Raptors are a BIG JOKE in the NBA rite now)
Someone made the following dumb comment, “rose is doing more for chicago than Lebron for miami.” I know that we all have favorite players and hate others, and it’s hard to be objective but come on. Rose takes more shots than james, that’s ALL i give rose ahead of james.
Rose is not playing with another great player. Rose has not had his full starting line up for more then 8 games. and yet they are both fighting over number 2 seed. Miami has one of the Big Three out and everything falls out of place. nuff said
Cavs 10-11=8W-74L LOL ENuff Said
who the hell is with rose in chi? a one-handed noah? a battered boozer? james has maybe 2 mates on the all star yet bulls beat your heat (though w/o james). who have done more now?
i know LBJ is good even great at times …but for 1 Cavs just didnt lose LBJ they lost other peices like Big Z. Delonte west Shaq yes SHAQ thats alot of trade downs Sessions for LBJ wasnt gonna work..and im sorry Jamison is not on top of his game as a go to guy, the injuries and the funk mentality they have dont help either.. all this SPELLS A LOSING RECORD…but jeeez guys ur NBA player win a game please….i think they have a chance of winning the D league or even make the playofs there LOL…..BEST OF LUCK CAVS
Cavs are essentially still the same team except without Lebron,,,Losing that star player kind of gave them no reason to play anymore I guess…
Universal Laws of Attraction…..The Cleveland fans and team management wished failure for LeBron so much that all they did was bring failure upon themselves….Life would be simplier for Cleveland management if they apologized for the vicious attacks, and wish him well for his decision as this will remove this toxic cloud which hovers them.
@chris kobe did go 6-24 but he also had 15 boards and lebron has been to the finals how many times? he never had the chance to go 6-24 idiot…kobe is the most clutch player the league has seen since jordan so dont never put kobe and choke in the same sentence….kobe isnt the one that got swept in the finals either
Kobe isn’t fit to wash Jordan’s drawers. Don’t ever compare that bum to being remotely close to Jordan. Dude isn’t even anywhere close to Magic.
I concur. Kobe chokes first then rapes….LOL
thats what they get for not bringin any solid good players for C.C. so that Lebron could stay
“a team like Boston that shoots really high-percentage shots will ALWAYS, ALWAYS beat Miami….”
And apparently EVERY TEAM in the league will ALWAYS, ALWAYS beat Cleveland (this season).
Choke! lol
What many of you guys fail to realize is that its not so much that they are without james and thats why they are so horrible, but its more of a mental state as a team. I really believe that its a mind thing with them. somebody else said it earlier in another post… losing that 1st game to miami really broke them… they need to get their focus back… all that drama with james leaving, the whole process of that really distracted them and believe it or not, distractions can make a player play really bad. If you really look at it… they have some talent to be winning more games, but their focus and mind is not their right now. And when it comes to All that talk about james being the mvp and what not… not this year!!! that title belong to D. Rose. you can’t compare what rose has done for his team in comparison to james to miami, ROse is just more valuable, which is what MVP is…
i think the bottom line in this is the lebron is good. haters can hate but the were one of the best team because of him.
Big Z for MVP, look at the Cavs without him! so sad… btw did that guy just suggest Melo to Cleveland? Siiiiiiiiike! though he would be a bigger hero there than anywhere if you think about it…
Clevland had enough time to sign players who give them the chance to win a championship. the only adequate player they signed was jamison. can´t undersand why they wasn´t able to attract any all star potential player. if they did, lebron would still be there no.1 in the east
Cleveland’s futility doesn’t come from LeBron’s departure alone. Yes LBJ is valuable so is DWade, Melo, Kobe, Dirk. LBJ’s freakish abilities alone helps a team, any team. But you have to look at the fact that since LBJ’s departure the team has lost Shaq, Z and the injuries they are encountering is just silly. Coaching staff is new and forget about chemistry it simply doesn’t exist with them right now. They are playing out of will and need only. And if you factor all that in, they have a team that’s probably worse than New Jersey last year. So all I can say is that LBJ isn’t the only reason Cleveland is an abomination team right now.
What is a Cleveland Cav fan doing after he saw his team win the NBA championship? ….. He turns off his gameconsole and goes to bed.
LOL…who cares about LBJ or Cleveland…Maybe the current Cavs can pose for pictures on the court in the middle of a game now…They are reaping what they sowed…I have been a witness to bad bad bad Chicago teams and managements stupidity in drafting and trades (I.E. The Eddie Curry, Tyson Chandler moves…omg)…Cleveland will rise again at some point but it will be a while…until then I’d still like to see them pose for pictures now or have someone do a stupid shammrock dance now…lol…I have no sympathy for them and I hope they lose the rest of their games..Serves them right!!
sighhhhhhhhh im a cavs fan still am yea well its not supris i miss the day of King James sighhhh well wizards have los streak too sooo still sigh
most valuable player means taking the player off their team would cause the most devastation. Cleveland is the obvious example and is why lebron has won it the past few years. But with the heat its different. Taking lebron off the heat would cause just as much damage as taking wade off the heat would do so you cant give it to lebron that easily. Which is why right now kobe is the MVP because taking him off the lakers would turn them into a 25 win team at BEST
If Cleveland had greatness like Carlos Arroyo they’d be winning left and right.
They need guys like Arroyo, John Brockman, Brian Scalabrine, and Eddie Curry.
That’s how you win.
Before the season started, I pegged the Cavs as fighting for the 8th spot in the east. The cavs had a few injuries, but ultimately folded. There is no scorer other than Jamison and maybe Williams. This team was built around a Lebron-esque scorer. Without that scorer, or at least a fake scorer to replace Lebron…. theres nada. The Lebron on 5 play stunted the development of most of the Cavs. Brown should be shot for that. Now that the Lebron on 5 play doesn’t exist nearly as much with the heat as it did at the beginning of the season…. well look at that the heat are winning… lol omg!!!! Team ball… what a concept!
I don’t understand Jamison coming off the bench at the beginning of the season. Best player on one of the most deprived teams in the league. Please!!!
lbj only looked good on the cavs because the team was built around him. big z, shaq, varejao, and parker are perfect complement to james. not to mention his played on the same system for 6 or 5 years. his the GREATEST player in the regular season since mj is playing on chi town but james is also the GREATEST LOOSER on the PLAYOFFS. and i think that wont change in the near future while c’s are around but they must get the act quickly. the way wade is playing he’ll get his body hurt alot of times and that will take a lot sooner or later and before howard and rose get there are together. as for the cavs just accept that james is no longer their king and start palying like an nba team. feel like seeing the wizards on cleaveland and see which steak is going to end cavs loosing streak or wiz’s road loosing streak. that would be interesting!!!! LOL!!!!!!!
Lebron james meant everything for that franchise. but they didnt have enough talent and winning mentality to keep him. im from miami and im a heat fan, i watch all the heat games and i see that ALL of the heat players are doing whatever it takes to win, even if they gotta do a big sacrafice. thats what lebron wanted to play with and hes very happy where he is right now. i definitly think that lebron is the mvp of the league BUT DWAYNE WADE is the mvp of the heat. if wade iz down then the whole of miami is down. all real heat fans know that wade is the main player and the heart and soul of this team. he stuck with us through the thick and thin. he iz just as good OR even better than lebron james. if you look at it, wade cant score at the basket whenever he wants, his jump shot is coming along but its not better than james. and i think hez a better rebounder and a fraction of a bit better on defense. but bottom line lebron james is the main player of the league but wade is the main player on the heat. NOBODY FORGET THAT.
TO Aaron17,”i definitly think that lebron is the mvp of the league BUT DWAYNE WADE is the mvp of the heat.” That is the DUMBEST thing i’ve ever heard. If Lebron is the MVP of the league then he is OBVIOUSLY the MVP of the heat. You can’t have one with out the other, because that’s what the MVP is based on. AND YES, he IS the MVP of the heat and the league. As good of a scorer Wade is, Lebron impacts the game in some many other ways than just scoring. He also facillatess the offense so Wade is getting a lot of points off of Lebron’s playmaking ability. Even when lebron is on the floor it makes it easier for wade to score because most of the time they double team Lebron. Look at the heat’s record this year without Wade and they’ve still won games but without lebron they have lost all those games. Do your research and you will know this.
LeBron is a good player. No doubt about that. And I believe his departure from Cleveland is a big reason why the Cavs are down the standings. But LeBron’s departure ISN’T THE ONLY REASON. You still have to consider that Mike Brown left, even if such a consideration is way smaller than what you would give for the LBJ departure factor. The Cavs are running a brand new system under Byron Scott. That means not only are the holdover players of Cleveland trying to keep up with life without LeBron, but also adjusting to life with Scott. Remember, Scott himself admitted that he wouldn’t know what it means to lose LeBron since he didn’t coach him. Fact is, he wouldn’t know how to rebuild the team that he didn’t have much of a hand to build it in the first place. Yes, players like LeBron have a lot to do with how the team tackles its direction, but so do coaches. Someone had said any center would do with LeBron in the team. Maybe I’ll buy that position. But not with a coach. LeBron maybe good, but what elevates his goodness even more would be sound coaching. Let’s take it vice versa. Byron Scott is a good coach, especially during his stint in New Orleans. But that was he had enough talent to guide and direct, prominently Chris Paul. Now, put him in Cleveland. There’s not much he can do without someone like LBJ as well. It’s like parallel tracks in the railroad. One cannot suffice without the other
Cleveland could have better prepared themselves in terms of making appropriate adjustments to their roster once they realized that Lebron wanted out, I mean no one expected them to replace him because I’m sure we all can agree that’s near impossible, but surely they had to make up the points that Lebron put up on a night to night basis, and if it took signing 2 or 3 players to do that, then that’s what needed to be done, I blame management, instead of pining over the loss of a one day NBA Legend, they should have put their energy into what needed to be done, which was keep the team competitive, No one expected them to win a championship, but as a fan I expected and hoped for them to be at the very least average.
suggestion to end the cavs mental breakdown….replace them with a team from the d-league…anyone agrees?
JUST PLAY YOUR BEST LEBRON… No matter what the haters say 2 u.. I am njoying watching how you play at your best,,, your the MAn idol….even though they don’t appreciate your greatest coz they are haters.,,,,, but still your the reason why i love to watch NBA…… LBJ
This is very Simple, without Lebron James Cavs team have no game, this record Just proves that they miss him more tha they can admmit!! He’s one of NBA history greatest players, ANY team will be lucky to have him and any coach will love to have it in his lines! Miami is now waiting to fight for the championship, maybe this season is not the one, but soon isthw arrival of the King’S Crown!
I’m gonna say it, this is all Dan Gilbert’s fault. All this season we’ve benn watching LBJ play with two other greats (Yes, i’m still considering Bosh, despite his numbers.) There was a time that Gilbert had a shot to trade for great player, but he instead picked up Shaq, traded Z-bo for Jamison (which I still haven’t forgiven the jerk for quitting the team he was traded to), and hoped for the best. He had a chance to fire Mike Brown sooner (who was basically saying “give the ball to Lebron”, hell I can do that), but he waited. Now LBJ is gone, and Gilbert is left with nothing. LBJ is a great player, but time and time again we’ve never seen one man win it all. Gilbert shot himself in the foot, and I have no sympathy for him, just the 12 man roster that has no idea what to do with themselves.
Somebody PLEASE tell me…..If Kobe, D-Rose, Carmelo or any other superstar was taken off of their team(only one star taken off).. Which NBA team would become as bad as the CAVS are right now? (Don’t include none Playoff contending teams Please).
If the Lakers lost what the Cavs did, Kobe, then 3 other guys leave that played roles as well, then 8 of their players were injured and they had to start their rookies the whole season, they would stink!
to be honest with you guys, i would hate to say, but i think LeBron should win the MVP award. And you also know whats funny? Is how you guys say Derrick Rose winning a championship over LeBron? Is that why they got taken out from the playoffs last year by the cavs w/ LeBron? Think twice kids D rose was there, if you guys dont remember d rose there, then look at the highlight when lebron wet a halfcourt shot (Suppose to be a AND1) over D rose. That will give you memories. Okay so, D Rose all you need to know is his talent isn’t as dominate then LeBron. Gonna admit hes cold, but not better then LeBron. LeBron btw joined miami cause he’s getting tired of not getting championships with such a horrible team. He wants to know in his mind, if he is really tired and has to sit out for atleast 5 mins, that a person on the cavs will help him keep the lead and even make it better, but no was the answer to the cavs team. Right now cavs are like what? 8-40 / When lebron was on there they were the first team to hit 40 wins. Like right now, him and the Miami heat, im gonna admit D Wade his cold but aparently he can’t find a way to win without LeBron. He has LeBron covering him, which that game where LeBron was out for like what 3 games, Heat lost all three without LeBron, cause D Wade sucks without lebron. LeBron is my best player and now im not backing him up. Im speaking honest, Kobe don’t even talk about his championships he had all stars all those rings hes gotten. Celtics, HAHAHAHA dont even mention most of there rings, they have the cheapest most bs starting line up ever. ALL ALL STAR PLAYERS. HAHAHA, So that means celtics suck . No questions asked. Chicago? They are doing well but don’t forget D rose isn’t the only ones doing work. Kyle Korver and Carlos Boozer are doing work for chicago. okay so if lebron was on the cavs no questions asked they will be first. cause lebron is gonna be shooting his ass off in cleveland. In miami he can take a breather cause he knows other players will win games for him. No Dwade sucks but he can win. LeBron is the best player in the league, and i agree whoever said that. To be honest theres a slight chance he can probably even be better then the Legend, MJ , He’s probably not better atm. but he could be. ill add more, this for now.
that was last year. see how improved he is now? Check is stats. boozer and korver? at the start of the season boozer is out and out agin for a good part of jan. korver has just found his mark before his shooting bricks. they were beaten last year? yes but chi beat the heat this year also. i’m not saying that chi will beat them if ever they meet in thr playoffs but an upset is not unlikely. but heat will not win a ring this year. i don’t think they can beat the celts, magic or bulls in two 7-game series. (with their present bench that is)
Ok everyone, why are you suprised? Maybe you hate Lebron but we all know he WAS the face of Cleveland. Now with him gone, it leaves nothing. If Kobe left, Lakers would still be decent, with Pau, Artest, Fisher, Bynum, Odom etc. Now lets look at a team like Knicks. Without Amar’e they suck, its the truth. Felton is a beast but not a leader. Im from Houston and were a decent team, with a strong bench. If we got our hands on Lebron or now someone like Carmelo, we would be a winning team. Its not always the star, but the ones to back him up. In Cleveland Lebron had ——-? Shaq? Jamision? Face it, no one there brings anything to the table. Lebron now has —– Wade, Bosh. Jordan had Pippen, Kobe had Pau, Shaq, Wade had shaq. Plus peops who hate on LBJ because of his team change, remember it was HALF A YEAR AGO! If you still whine, your pathetic..
You root for Houston, but like the rest of the dame league, I don’t see you showing any love for Kevin Martin. Dude is probably one of the most underrated guards in the entire NBA.
Lebron added almost 30 a night, almost 8 boards and 8 assists a night. Take that off of a team and what do you have left? He made all of those Cavs players better-perfect example would be Mo Williams. Williams came to Cleveland as an average point guard and as soon as he started playing with Lebron, he became and all-star and a very popular point guard. And although statisticly Anderson Varajeo was having the best season of his career, he hardly gets the recognition he once did when Lebron was around. Same with Antawn Jamison, he’s pretty much just a good role player for a championship team now with lebron gone.
because they are perfect compliment to james. the cavs have a better record last year compared to what that heat has now.to bad james is not fit for playoffs. lol!!!!!!!!!! its just like your saying james is a cup of coffee and the cavs last year is the creamer, remove the coffee drink in and ist that bad. thats what it is in cleaveland a team built around perfectly for james for the regular season only. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CAVS WILL WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP!!
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Go Miami!
It all started December 2.
LeBron murdered the whole team.
And the aftermath is still going. Up until now.
omg, can you guys shut it? jameson, mo williams, varejao were good team mates? are you kidding me? kobe never won anything when he had smush parker, caron butler, lamar odom, and chris mihm as team mates.
mo williams = smush parker
caron butler > jameson (cause he’s old)
lamar odom > varejao
and yet how many games did that 2005 lakers team won? and for crying out loud, lebron won those 50 games for cleveland not the other way around.
have kobe and lebron switch team last year and kobe might’ve opted to get traded the same way he did 3 years ago.
LeBron left Cleveland because they could not give him the supporting cast required to win a championship. 8-40 is proof of that, despite the others that have also left. Look through history and all the great players won rings with a superb supporting cast. Jordan’s Bulls were playoff also rans for years until Pippen, Grant and Cartwright developed and they won three in a row. Then Jordan retires and the supporting cast still won 55+ games.
Magic, Kobe, Bird, Robinson, the list goes on. All superstars, all had a great team around them. But they were the difference that won the championship. LeBron will win a championship with the Heat but the 8-40 Cavs are just proof that Cleveland never gave him the tools to do it there.
lets make it clear guys.
Lebron is better.
Kobe is Loser.
Lebron will win the Conf. MVP + all star MVP + Finals MVP
kobe has multiple finals mvp, allstar mvps, 1 reg season mvp and 5 RINGS.
lebron has 2 reg season mvp, mutiple allstar mvps 0 finals mvp, 0 RINGS.
James maybe is the GREATEST PLAYER to day but that also makes him the GREATEST LOOSER. remember what kobe said being the runner up means your the first LOOSER. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who’s the looser now?
You are, for not even being able to spell loser.
You have to make it to the Finals to be finals MVP . . . how about changing that to Rondo?
Alot of people are saying lebron was the only difference between the cavs last year and now, but thats not the whole story. In addition to lebron leaving last year, Ilgauskus, Delonte West, and Shaq all left last year too, leaving some holes in the Cavs’ roster. Plus, right now, a bunch of the cavs’ key guys are out; Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, and Daniel Gibson all did not play last game, and thats a good chunk of the starting lineup. It was obvious that Cleveland was going to get worse when Lebron left, but their struggling right now also because of the damaged lineup.
Exactly, Thank you!
Lebron leaving the Cavaliers is the BIGGEST reason why they are struggling. Shaq and Z’s presence on the Cavaliers this year would make them four – five wins better then they are now. Still garbage. Mike Brown better then Byron Scott ? LMAO. Mike Browns offence is the reason why the Cavaliers are in this position believe it or not. The Lebron on 5 offence requires spacing. That’s why the Cavs have so many 3PT shooters. Other then Shaq, which Cavalier last year was part of the rotation that didn’t have a jumpshot ? ( Jamario Moon and Anderson Varejao come to mind ) Mo Williams is the biggest joke of a second option. His averages of 13.6 PPG, 7.1 AST, 39% FG, and 26% 3PT qualifies as a legit second option ? Haha. But now lets look at some championship teams from the past without their all – star :
Chicago Bulls 93 – 94 Season ( Without Jordan )
Finished the regular season with a 55 – 27 record
Scottie Pippen averaged 22.0 PPG, 8.7 REB, 5.6 AST, 2.9 STL, 49% FG, 32% 3PT
Boston Celtics 92 – 93 Season ( Without Bird )
Finished the regular season with a 48 – 34 record
Reggie Lewis averaged 20.8 PPG, 4.3 REB, 3.7 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.0 BLK, and 47% FG
Los Angeles Lakers 91 – 92 Season ( Without Magic )
Finished the regular season with a record of 43 – 39
James Worthy averaged 19.9 PPG, 5.6 REB, 4.7 AST, 1.4 STL, 45% FG, 20% 3PT
cleveland fans are crazy… i don’t think any superstar would wanna sign on that team.. why? coz f ever they wanna leave, they’ll probably say that they are traitors again…
Reasons the Cavs are stinking:
1. A certain person broke a promise not to quit till he brought a championship to Cleveland because it was harder than he thought.
2. Majority of the starting lineup is injured, and Varejao, the biggest spark of energy in the NBA, is injured for the entire season now.
3. Byron Scott’s rotations make no sense sometimes.
4. Every ref in the league is against Cleveland.
I’ve watched pretty much all the Cavs games this season. They wer close to .500 before that game on Dec. 2. Then the injury bug struck. If we were all healthy again, we would not be on this losing streak.
It’s not just LeBron leaving. If only LeBron had left, we could still make the playoffs as an 8th seed or so. When LeBron plays Cleveland nowadays, he doesn’t know a thing about pretty much the entire starting lineup, because they weren’t playing with him last year. It is not the same team at all! Even the coach is different.