Is Kobe In Your All-Time Top 10?

HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS — We all know what Michael Jordan thinks of Kobe Bryant.

He’s a top 10-guard, Jordan suggested to USA Today last week, among other interesting things he had to say.

“He is always going to be within the conversations of some of the greatest players who’ve played, by the time he is finished,” Jordan said of Bryant. “Where does he rank among those, if you are talking about positions? If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the top 10.”

That ranking among the all-time greats that seems a bit low from the balcony here at the hideout. But not necessarily to Bryant, who told my main man Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports that Jordan’s assessment is on the money:

“It’s an accurate statement,” Bryant said. “I’m definitely one of the top 10 guards. It could mean two, it could mean one, it could mean four or five. I’m definitely one of the top thousand. Look, I know how he feels about me.

“There have been a lot of great guards to play the game. For me to sit here and say, ‘He should have said top five,’ that’s disrespectful to the other guards that I’ve watched.”

If Kobe won’t take up his own cause, a classy move by a player still writing the script of his own stellar career, we’ll do it for him.

Sorry Mike, but Kobe’s more than just a “top 10 guard.” And it’s disrespectful for anyone to suggest otherwise.

You don’t have to love Kobe. You don’t even have to like him. But you do owe him the respect his career and credentials deserve. And keep in mind that he’s one of the pioneers (along with Kevin Garnett in the preps-to-pros movement of the late 90s) of a trend that reshaped the history of the league.

Some people would argue that he’s the only player, past or present, that could stand toe-to-toe with Jordan (we happen to believe there are about eight to 10 players that all belong in the conversation as the best of all time with Jordan, obviously, leading the pack).

As far as we can tell here, Kobe still has time to make his case for “top five players” of all time.

What say you?

944 Comments

  1. Ivan Garcia says:

    Kobe is the best player to play the game of basketball. He has shown it time and time again. I think he she be remembered as the best player to play the game.

  2. I think it is too early to say that he is on top 5 but if he wins 2 more titles he will be the second best player ever behind jordon.81 points vs toronto the most dificult shots ever vs suns game 6 2010 playoff and 7 rings now who can dissagree with that?

  3. To All Kobe Haters says:

    Only that Colorado girl and her parents and her boyfriends are allowed to be Kobe Haters. Other than those, if you hate Kobe, Please tell me why.
    Before he finishing High School, Kobe is a good son to his parents and a good student to his school. If his parents and his schoolmates, teachers did not hate him, why you? (He brought home and his school tons of Glories–Gym named Kobe in his H.S. because of Kobe’s recent Donation)
    Did any of you haters donated any money to your High School? Even just stop by?
    When Kobe Playing for LA, He is the hardest worker and gifted player also. He brings 5-Champs to his city and 6th to go. What more can you ask from a player? If LA doesn’t hate him, why you? If one player did this to your city, you expect people hate him?
    As a husband, he gives his wife a great house, two lovely daughters and tons of money. After slept with a girl in Colorado, he publicly apologized for that and a 4-million diam. for his wife. If Kobe’s wife and his daughters do not hate him, why you?
    As a citizen of US, he teamed with other players and won Olympic Gold. Make any sence to hate a man who just makes you proud of your country? Did any of you haters won anything for your country?
    US President don’t just seat there and eat breakfest with anybody. If Obama doesn’t have any problem with Kobe, why you? If Jack Nicholson doesn’t, why you? If Tim Cruise doesn’t, why you? If Christina Aguilera doesn’t, why you?….. Even Knicks fan Spike Lee doesn’t, why you?—— Is that just because you haters are idiot? Shame on you!

  4. Ivan Marquez says:

    MJ the best ever…amen

  5. Peter2010 says:

    Last but not the least, I mean “Space Jam” was Great, but come on, it’s just tooooo old.
    More excited, Watch Kobe to slay 3-Monster alive. Or Beat 5-all star in KG, RA, PP, RR and Shaq…..
    Did you have this kind of expectation in any of MJ’s Finals?

  6. SamRDZ says:

    I don’t believe this is even close (right now). MJ is far greater than Kobe to this point in time. Most of the people I know who believe Kobe is as good or better than MJ was are folks who never really watched MJ play. I watched MJ’s entire career and I’ve watched Kobe’s career. MJ is/was far better.

    It isn’t even close, and it never will be. Just look at the stats and accolades, then think about how Jordan had to deal with hand checking, elbows in his back, and other far more physical play than the NBA allows today. Jordan also had many more clutch performances, and never got to play along side someone who dominated the paint like Shaq. In fact, he never had a great big man.

    Anyone who thinks Kobe is better, please please please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/user/theblitzchannel#p/u/0/xGbuEjt-KIc

    Players are defined by great moments! And the greatest moments happen in the NBA finals! We will forever see and remember MICHAEL JORDAN in the finals! I can’t remember anything about kobe in LAST years finals except he shot 6-24 or something like that! Like I’ve said before the question should be, “Is kobe the best laker?” I don’t think so. I think Magic is. Magic always played big in the finals. He made big and game winning shots in the finals. Then there is Kareem and Shaq. So if kobe isn’t the best laker, how could he be better than the greatest!

    • Peter2010 says:

      Now, players do defence!
      Remember Kobe’s clutch shots over Wade, Ray Allen, Grant Hill, so on and so on… mostly double some even triple teamed. MJ’s most famous clutch shot over Russell of Jazzs was single defended and pushed away by MJ himself. eventually, no defence at all.
      And your video sucks. Simply because Kobe came out from H.S. and benched as rookie in a well orgnized team behind all star shooting guard E. Jones but MJ to Bulls just like Lebron to Cav. everything was around them….. (Many experts already well done on this topic, you blinded?)
      And you know what? Even benched by stupid coach Harris he was all star starter. You see the point? Millions of fans are not blinded by stats.
      Long live to those Millions who chose Kobe as all star in that year and ever since.

    • Ryan says:

      Ok, a few points. Kobe Bryant IS a better shooter than Jordan. You can’t even deny that. Jordan will have a better percentage, but Kobe is way more of a perimeter player. KObe shoots the 3 ball a lot better than Jordan did as well. Before you try to compare the percentages, make sure you take away jordan’s 2 seasons where they moved the 3 point line closer. Some say he has the best mid-range game ever (cmon out haters). You can say Jordan NEVER HAD A DOMINANT CENTER. He may have been a power forward for the most part, but lets not forgot about Dennis Rodman, who was the best rebounder in the league pretty much every year. Stats aren’t everything. There were like 8 stars in the league when michael played. Great job dominating a bunch of unatheletic white guys. BUT THEY COULD HANDCHECK! Great scorers always find ways to beat their man one on one. You think kobe oculdnt? Jordan didn’t have to face zones like today.

  7. mari says:

    jordan is the best ever men!!!! if theres no mj no kobe remember that…Kobe copying moves on mj!!

    • Peter2010 says:

      Come on, mari. Go ask your girlfriend if you copy her ex-boyfriend’s move or not.
      Just like “”make love””, All B-ball players do are dribbling, passing, shooting, dunking.
      When we are born, one way or another, we all suck, because that is the only way to survive.
      Move on dude, it’s 2010, will be 2011 soon. will be in June within a blink. What we want more? Kobe vs LebWadBosh. There is no room for your Airness anymore.

  8. Lorenzo B says:

    People always compare Jordan and Kobe Stats and say Jordans are overall better. But what they aren’t saying is that Jordan came to a team that was Sorry ass hell and all he did was shoot and score, and that Kobe came into a team that was Stacked and he had to play into a system in which involved giving the ball to Shaq! You all seen as soon as Shaq left Kobe showed that he could lead the league and scoring then he realized how to involve is players and now he’s a better player and going after a three-peat. Keep balling KB24,

  9. Tomas says:

    I cant stand the guy, but he is the Best player in league by faaaaaaaaaaar. and top ten all time , you gotta be kidding me? hell ya, if not top 4. i’ve been lucky enough to watch both Jordan and Bryant. both the best of their respective generations. bryant is punk but he belongs in anyones top 10 for sure. Jordan made that statement because he can, and its his competitiveness. he knows how to push buttons and knows that bryant isnt that far from catching him. if kobe wins this year, and next forget it. MJ should be worried, because even kobe’s detractors will have to give him the nod.

  10. dbest says:

    when kobe retires he will #1 hated player of all time bcoz of this debate

  11. Black Mamba Jamba says:

    Jordan has achieved way more than Bryant, but Kobe ain’t done yet. So far Kobe has done things that Jordan has and hasn’t done. I’m sure by the time he retires he’ll be on top. But for now.. You can say Jordan is better.

  12. Kobe "The Beast" says:

    Kobe is #2 on all time best player list right now…..BUT, when KOBE gets retired, he will be #1…..SORRY MJ, your name will be #2…behind KOBE “THE BEAST” “THE CLOSER” “BLACK MAMBA” BRYANT………

  13. B.ez Beats says:

    Mike def. the Greatest..but guys y is everyone talking about players From M.j and After.. What About Bernard King..abdul Jabbar..Larry Bird..no 1 mentions larry Bird..WTH..Magic..Ice man Drexler..the game didnt start in 1984 when Mike Came..Just like Kobe watched Mike..Mike watched other players b4 him..Doc. J..Ice man..Black Jesus.. Come on people.Just like the little Kids now..They never seen Mike..They love Lebron wade..durant..so dont b surprised in about 10years this next generation wont even mention mike..u see 1 kid said Brandon Jennings..smdh..yea he’s good..but u cant put him in this coversation…so you know he’s young..(see where iam getting at). And i agree Y is Allen iverson goin to Turkey..smdh.he was 1 of the toughest players..yea kobe played hurt..But A.I did alot more!…..Kareem Abdul Jabbar..M.j.Magic Bernard King..Kobe..He’s def top 5..not 10..Mike can be a Hater at Times..But he Sees Kobe!!

  14. Peter2010 says:

    In that case you may even 3-peat again, and people will walk back wards, and our Earth will be Flat again, and all your supporters will be in peace ………

  15. Peter2010 says:

    Since no way you Airness and your supporters can explain, here is a solution:
    You claim on ESPN one and half hour Special (don’t forget to donate the money to Boys and Girls Club, at least, Lebron did) you will come out from your retirement, the third, playing for Bobcats, your own team, Command your teammates (also your employees) to give you the ball all the time, and tell refs and Raptors to play Jordan Rules X 100 (that means no defender close to you in 6 feet cause you are not in your Prime anymore) you may have a shot, because Raptors didn’t bust Kobe’s lips as you mentioned they should after Kobe’s 81 points game, they will treat you very very gently, like Virgin.

  16. Dj JJ says:

    During the first three championship of Lakers during Shaq and Kobe era, Kobe could have not done it with out shaq, Let us face the reality that Lakers could have still won 3 in a row without Kobe. But In chicagos case, there is no way Chicago could have won six titles if you take out one person in that team, and that is MJ the greatest player to ever play the game. Kobe and shaq even lost one championship series to Detriot piston.

    Kobe in this time is the best player in NBA. but over all, I think he I should say he is in the top 20 and not top 10. Kobe can not even beat Lebron James in a MVP race. How much more compare it to the greatest player ever MJ!

  17. deweyballer says:

    there is no discussion here….THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME—–MJ…TOP 10 PLAYERS OF ALL TIME? KOBE IS FAR ON THE LIST NEXT TO BIRD,MAGIC,KAREEM,RUSSELL,WILT CHAMBERLAIN,JULIUS ERVING,HAKEEM,OSCAR ROBERTSON,WEST….TOP 10 GUARDS, MAYBE HE’S IN TOGETHER WITH MAGIC,WEST,ISIAH,STOCKTON,OSCAR ROBERTSON,KEVIN JOHNSON,CLYDE DREXLER,GEORGE GERVIN,KOBE????
    BASKETBALL IS A TEAM GAME…STATISTICALLY, MJ IS FAR AHEAD OF KOBE…THOUGH KOBE IS PUTTING BIG NUMBERS BUT HE’S TAKING TOO MANY SHOTS AND HAVING THE BALL MOST OF THE TIME…HA’S WHY HE IS LABELLED AS CROCODILE, GREEDY,SELF CENTERED,RESENTFUL,DICONTENTED,ETC….REMEMBER HE HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIS TEAMMATES BECAUSE OF THIS, HE DIDNT HAVE THE BRAIN AND INTELLIGENCE OF THE TOP 10 PLAYERS OF ALL TIME WHEN IT COMES TO PLAY….
    NO FURTHER DISCUSSION NEEDED…NO ARGUMENTS,DEBATES……KOBE CAN SCORE, BUT TO LEAD A TEAM, HE CAN’T……….

  18. jay says:

    safe ranking not to insult other centers or forwards. but to someone who knows b-ball, bird is the only nonguard to probably make it to the top10 greats.

  19. Tingson says:

    The other guys correct, Jordan did won those rings without a dominant center, Kobe had Shaq and Pau to block shots and grab those boards.

    • Lakers 2011 3peat says:

      Pau aint no center tho….so what’s your excuse for that??? And if you going judge Kobe on Shaq then Dwade wouldnt of won no title without the Diesel either

  20. Peter2010 says:

    On the other hand, Kobe siad he can beat Lebron on one on one in his sleep. that means a lot since every body in this world knows Lebron is busy on taking notes on everyone. The best part is we can prove it still.

  21. Peter2010 says:

    To MJ and All his supporters and to Mac:
    “‘Before you Airness there was a player called Wilt scored 100 points in a game, After you Airness there is a player called Kobe scored 81 points in a game(no overtime). You Airness played more than 15 years in this league in between those two, you had tons of chance to do it but you didn’t. Now you say some thing like scoring 100 points in today’s game. What’s your point?”
    If you and your supporters can’t explain this, And Please, Eat Your words.

  22. Brian says:

    But I do disagree with Mike about Kobe only being “Top 10 guard”, IMO he’s Top 10 All Time but not Top 5, but that’s my opinion.

  23. Brian says:

    “First of all folks, let me say that in my opinion this shouldn’t even be needed if you watched Michael Jordan’s career and have seen Kobe’s so far. Jordan was by far more consistently dominant and effective, that it’s really a true insult that this is needed. Thank the media and certain Kobe fans for this breakdown though, I hope you enjoy, this took a lot of time….

    When you combine the playoffs and regular season, Michael Jordan played in 1,251 games, Kobe Bryant has played in 1,219. Let’s see if Kobe has even come close to accomplishing what Michael Jordan accomplished…..

    You can’t deny facts folks, don’t even try….

    Rookie of the Year
    Michael Jordan: Yes
    Kobe Bryant: No
    In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals.
    All-Rookie First Team
    Michael Jordan: Yes
    Kobe Bryant: No
    Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 12 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 32
    Kobe Bryant: 19

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 10 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 87
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 74

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 5 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 663
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 593

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with less than 3 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 179
    Kobe Bryant: 261

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with less than 2 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 61
    Kobe Bryant: 142

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 0 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 7
    Kobe Bryant: 57

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with at least 15 rebounds:
    Michael Air Jordan: 10
    Kobe Bryant: 5

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with at least 12 rebounds:
    Michael Air Jordan: 66
    Kobe Bryant: 29

    Percentage of points scored on free throws:
    Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
    Kobe Bryant: 25.1%

    Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
    Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
    Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

    Seasons with at least 200 steals:
    Michael Air Jordan: 6
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Seasons with at least 150 steals:
    Michael Air Jordan: 9
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
    Michael Air Jordan: 2
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
    Michael Air Jordan: 4
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Defensive Player of the Year awards
    Michael Jordan: 1
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league’s best defender.

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    40 point or higher games
    MJ: 211
    Kobe: 115

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    30 point or higher games
    MJ: 671
    Kobe: 415

    Career Player Efficiency Rating
    Michael Jordan: 27.91
    Kobe Bryant: 23.50

    Olympic Gold Medals
    Michael Jordan: 2
    Kobe Bryant: 1

    Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

    All Star Game:
    Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997.

    Scoring titles
    Michael Jordan: 10
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.

    Steals titles
    Michael Jordan: 3
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.

    Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to achieve it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.

    Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.

    In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.
    Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.

    Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.

    Michael Jordan game winning shot attempts was 33 out of 58, which is a 56.9% shooting percentage, while Kobe has attempted more game winners, and 82 games’s website has a lest strict criteria, according to the facts, Kobe is a 27% career shooter in game winning situations.

    Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.

    Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
    Michael Jordan is. He’s #80 in assists per game and #35 in assists.

    Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).

    Michael Jordan is #3 all time in steals per game, Kobe is #37 all time in steals per game.
    Michael Jordan is #2 all time in total steals, Kobe Bryant is #28 all time in total steals.
    Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard. Kobe Bryant isn’t even in the top 10 all time blocks by a guard.

    Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.
    Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.

    Seasons over 30 points per game:
    Michael Jordan: 8
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Seasons over 32 points per game:
    Michael Jordan: 5
    Kobe Bryant: 1

    In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

    Kobe Bryant also has:
    2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
    2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
    Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

    Regular season
    Seasons under 50% shooting
    Kobe Bryant: 14
    Michael Jordan: 9

    Seasons under 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 14
    Michael Jordan: 5

    Seasons over 50% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Michael Jordan: 6

    Seasons over 52% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Michael Jordan: 4

    Regular season
    Games with under 50% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 489
    Kobe Bryant: 623

    Regular season
    Games with under 48% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 458
    Kobe Bryant: 599

    Regular season
    Games with under 46% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 388
    Kobe Bryant: 530

    Regular season
    Games with under 44% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 296
    Kobe Bryant: 452

    Regular season
    Games with under 42% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 234
    Kobe Bryant: 393

    Regular season
    Games with under 40% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 158
    Kobe Bryant: 317

    Regular season
    Games with under 35% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 88
    Kobe Bryant: 192

    Regular season
    Games with under 30% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 41
    Kobe Bryant: 97

    Regular season
    Games with 60% or better shooting
    Michael “Air” Jordan: 173
    Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 123

    Regular season
    Games with 50% or better shooting
    Michael “Air” Jordan: 556
    Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 393

    Regular season
    Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
    MJ: 16
    Kobe: 3

    Regular season
    Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
    MJ: 3
    Kobe: 1

    Regular season
    Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
    MJ: 29
    Kobe: 43
    Yes, that’s right, almost half of Kobe’s 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.

    Regular season
    50 point games with under 50% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
    Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 24 games

    Regular season
    50 point games with under 45% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 0
    Kobe Bryant: 3

    NBA Playoffs
    50 point or higher games
    Kobe: 1
    MJ: 8

    NBA Playoffs
    40 point or higher games
    Kobe: 11
    MJ: 38

    NBA Playoffs
    30 point or higher games
    Kobe: 78
    MJ: 109

    NBA Playoff runs under 50% shooting:
    Kobe: 13 (every year)
    MJ: 8

    NBA Playoff runs over 50% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
    Michael Jordan: 5

    NBA Playoff runs under 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 12
    Michael Jordan: 6

    NBA Playoff runs over 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 1
    Michael Jordan: 7

    NBA Playoff runs under 46% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 9
    Michael Jordan: 3

    NBA Playoff runs under 44% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 6
    Michael Jordan: 2

    NBA Playoff runs over 30ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 4
    Michael Jordan: 12

    NBA Playoff runs over 32ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 2
    Michael Jordan: 8

    NBA Playoff runs over 34ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
    Michael Jordan: 7

    NBA Finals averages for their careers:
    Michael Jordan 33.6ppg 6.0reb 5.9ast 48.0%fg 36.8%3pt ?
    Kobe Bryant 25.3ppg 5.7reb 5.0ast 41.2%fg 31.3%3pt
    Pau Gasol 17.3ppg 10.4reb 3.2ast 1.7blk 52.8%fg
    Scottie Pippen 18.9ppg 8.3reb 5.9ast 40.9%fg 25.9%3pt
    Shaq (as a Laker) 33.6ppg 14.1reb 3.0ast 2.4blk 60.2%fg
    Kobe (with Shaq) 22.1ppg 5.2reb 4.6ast, 1.0blk 41.6%fg

    Kobe has been out performed by teammates in 5 out of his 7 NBA Finals appearances, Michael Jordan was never out performed by a teammate. Michael Jordan never had a teammate average over 20.0ppg in any NBA Finals who shot a higher percentage than him, Kobe’s had a teammate do this 4 times (Gasol doesn’t get enough shot attempts or it would be 7 times).

    Michael Jordan consistently raised his team’s level of play, while Kobe Bryant hinders his team’s level of play by consistently missing so many shots. Michael Jordan carried his team consistently, and on the flip side Kobe Bryant’s team carries him consistently.

    Record as team leader
    Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 300-224 (.573)

    Postseason as team leader
    Michael Air Jordan: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
    Kobe Bryant: Missed postseason 1 time in 6 seasons

    NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards
    Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 tries
    Kobe Bryant: 2 in 7 tries

    As you can see, it would take Kobe 3 full careers to truly eclipse Michael Jordan. He’s so far off he has absolutely no chance to pass Michael Air Jordan whatsoever…”

    Not mine, but a quote from RTG from Hoopdoctors. I’ma big Kobe fan, but truth be told, MJ’s the GOAT & Kobe isn’t even close, he’s only close in numbers of championships, but other than that, there’s nothing else.

    • Lakers 2011 3peat says:

      First off I’d just like to say you must really have alot of time on your hands to gather and type up al this information; which is kind of sad just for a blog. But on the other hand it is useful and good to compare. I am a Laker fan and a Kobe fan, but Im not one of those who has said Kobe is better than Jordan, i dont know why people are saying that, but i do think Kobe is a top 10 guard of all time along with top 10-15 all time

      The only thing i hate is that people make it seem like Kobe only won becasue of Shaq and Gasol, if Kobe wssnt there for Gasol there wouldnt have bn three finals appearances and two championships in the last three years, and i dont think Shaq would have three championships if he didnt have Kobe along his side.

      And then people say the gamw is such a team sport, and you need a good team, i mean thats the excuse everyone is giving for Lebron right now on his decision to play with TWO OTHER ALLSTARS, so if bball is such a team sport why when it comes to LBJ it was a great move for him and it wont affect his legacy (i doubt that) but for Kobe its he would have zero rings without Shaq and Gasol. Its a team game right??? Kobe played well with his team and thats why they won! Stop giving kobe hate and double standards, treat him the same in all comparisons please

  24. da reporta says:

    yall opinions suck. you don’t even no pistol pete maravich. what he even look like. when someone is great and humble in the face of the fans, he is revered. when one is 24, great and arrogant, people go back in time to dig up competition to a career that has just recently won back to back titles in this day and age when there are killers like D-wade, Bron, and Durant lurking about. if you hadn’t noticed the 24 generation has changed the game again. this nba is the nba.

  25. justmyview says:

    Jordan was the only one in his time with such talent, Kobe plays against 100 Jordans every night. And his a better defender.

  26. mrvsax85 says:

    VIC’S NBA TOP 5 PLAYERS OF ALL TIME, POUND FOR POUND!

    1. MICHAEL JORDAN
    2. WILT CHAMBERLAIN
    3. KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR
    4. MAGIC JOHNSON
    5. LEBRON JAMES

    Go to: http://mrvicoyedeji.blog.com/2010/06/30/vics-top-5-players-in-nba-history-pound-4-pound/

    to see my explanation. ENOUGH SAID!

    • Lakers 2011 3peat says:

      Lebron James cant be discussed in this list until he plays another half of his career, he has seven seasons done OK, so lets see what he will have accomplished in seven more, when he is like Kobe age now….impossible to put a guy next to these greats and over dozens of more when he aint played long enuff

  27. Rocket33 says:

    As usual with these things, there’s the odd intelligent comment in here amongst a whole load of garbage from people without a clue. There seems to be a basic lack of understanding in the following areas…

    1) No love for Horace Grant? I didn’t read all the way down but I was shocked that I didn’t see his name as one of the key players on Jordan’s teams. Take look at that 93 series against the Suns. I don’t think many people reading this saw the first three-peat though did they? When Steve Kerr and Bill Wennington get a mention ahead of Horace that’s what it suggests to me.

    2) Scottie Pippen was not the second best player in the league behind Jordan during the 90’s. What about Barkley, Drexler, Olajuwon, Malone? A few more who I should have mentioned I’m sure. Scottie was great, but many times he froze up in big games and Jordan had to carry the Bulls… even with the flu.

    3) The NBA is not better today. Better athletes maybe but its not the same standard of play as in Jordan’s era and the Bird/Magic era before him. How many HOF players didn’t win a championship because they couldn’t beat Jordan and the Bulls? Poor Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, Malone. Shaq and Kid Kobe had to wait ’til he was gone as did David Robinson. Hakeem got in while he could during the first retirement. 🙂

    Now back to the point. Jordan is the best of all time. I don’t think there is a player in the league, past or present who would disagree. He was the undisputed best player in the league from about 1990-1998. Kobe has always had to compete with LeBron and Dwyane Wade for that title the last few years. In my opinion he gets it by the way. For now anyway, Kevin Durant is not far away though.

    As for Jordan’s rating on Kobe. Perhaps he could have said Top 10 all-time rather than just Top 10 guards. But I think he was being careful not to offend the other greats that need to be considered here. Kobe handled it well by saying it would be disrespectful to the others to suggest he should be higher. Well done Kobe!

  28. TheMVp24 says:

    kobe did it with shaq ok but can u say that shaq woulda won without kobe kobe averaged over 20 ppg in all 3 years that they won championships and koe averaged like 30 the year they lost to the pistons i think not sure on that one tho but be serious both of the players do things that no other players could ever do….MJ is better because he is what ppl think basketball is now he reinvented basketall. so nobody has had to do it since because it kept its popularity. Everybody talks about jordan won rookie of the year bump that kobe got traded as a rookie to a championship caliber team that needed one more piece to win it kobe was that piece. it took jordan wat 7 or 8 years to win a title after he got help from scottie it took kobe 4 years to evolve into a player that could help the lakers win a championship…all the stats that ur throwing up here doesnt include the situations either if kobe woulda went to college and then got drafted to a bad team and was told to take all the shots then im sure his ppgs would be up there with jordans he didnt win rookie of the year but still made the rookie 2nd team and he only averaged 7 ppgs thats impressive enough in one of the top 5 draft classes of all time imo. kobe hasnt passed jordans individual achievements but on the court both players are equally great im sayin if they played a 1v1 game it would come down to who had the ball last….Jordan wins by he legacy thats it

  29. Vergil says:

    If I were you, I will just ask Phil Jackson “who’s better: Jordan or Bryant?” to end this crap.. 😀

    But I still believe that Jordan is the best basketball player ever!!

  30. jagger says:

    for me mj is better dan kobe. mj won 6 rings wid out dominant center kobe have. jst compare cartwright to shaq ang luc to pau?kobe will never win championshp without shaq and pau.

  31. RD says:

    I’m totally with you Speech. Stats don’t lie. MJ was a complete player, did it at both ends and across all aspects of the game. It surprises me how easily people forget this, especially these experts who are old enough to have seen him play. Kobe is a great player but not in the region of how complete MJ was. LeBron is, but now he’s in Miami I don’t think his potential will be reached like it could have been in Chicago. I will say I’d put Kobe in my top 10 though.

  32. Ab Flyer Pro says:

    When does the trial period begin?

  33. jetser says:

    Kobe is not in the Top 10 of all time. And I’m saying this that I’ve had kobe in my e-mail address for a long time.
    I see rankings like this, 1. M.J.. 2. Wilt. 3. Russell. 4. Larry. 5. Oscar. 6. Kobe. 7. Magic. 8. Kareem. 9. Shaq. 10. West., and it’s ridicolous. The man’s barely had a good move in the Finals, and before that, you know what team he had…or has now.
    Not everybody has Gasols and Ariza’s and Artests or Fishers to pull your *ss out of trouble.
    Shaq by himself was a dominant force. Magic took another level in his play of point.
    He is a Top 10 guard, yes. Probably Top 5. Always behind Jordan, but ahead of the class of today. But not Top 10 all positons involved. I’d say, Kobe’s just ahead of Dwayne and LeBron.

  34. Theo says:

    yeah last year and this year kobe is top scorer and deserve Finals MVP trophy, but 2000 through 2002 lakers was an All-Star team line-up and shaq was dominating, IF kobe bring the 2005 to 2007 Lakers line-up into the finals that maybe putting him next to mj, even the awarding of player of decade is so bias Duncan should have the award, it is all media hype, putting all the debate… put this on your mind, if a players is signed in bulls and played along with jordan, they became a household name, (Ex. Kerr, Kukoc, armstrong, grant and even pippen and other players), in lakers when a player is signed and played with kobe are already a known players(artest, gasol, odom and others) both in championship line-ups that already stops the debate… i don’t hate kobe, i hate those people putting him in a position he is still not he suppose to be.

  35. klaw says:

    lets be real, Kobe is not even in the top 5 all time great Lakers, much less top 5 0r 10 in NBA of all time. Can’t disrespect former Lakers 1. West 2. Wilt 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Baylor 6. Shaq 7. Mikan, then 8. Kobe 9. Worthy 10. Goodrich tie with Gasol…Then there were all time greats like Jordan, Russell, Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Lebron James (thats another subject)…seen them all except Mikan. put Kobe in the mix with the Iceman George Gervin, Olajuwan, Ewing, Malone (Karl and Moses), Stockton, Isiah, Pistol Pete, Cousey, Havlicek, even current greats Duncan, Dirk, Nash, Garnett, and D. Wade have to be comparable…must be missing someone (Sir Charles?)…so Jordan is on with his assesmant, top ten Guard all time is acceptable, and #15-20 overall all time…regardless of the number of rings, its about talent, with out Shaq early, and Gasol-Odom-Bynum late in career, he’d have no Rings…remember HIS team finished behind the Clippers for two years with out such talent.

  36. Speech says:

    BTW I do believe Kobe is top 5 all time guards without a doubt. Only guards I can put ahead of him is MJ, Magic, Oscar, and West. But when mentioning the best to ever play the game you cant forget Wilt, Kareem, Russel, Malone, Baylor, Dr. J, Iceman, Cousy, Bird, Mchale, Pippen, I mean come on yall!!!!

  37. Speech says:

    These are the stats: Jordan won 6 rings without a scoring center and no one else averaging over 15 pts per game besides Pippen. 5 time Regular season MVP. 6 time Finals MVP. 87-88 defensive player of the year. 9 time all NBA 1st defensive. 10 time all nba 1st team (2nd team his rookie year). Average 28 pts, (which was 3rd in the nba at the time), Has a career average of 30 pts per game. His true shooting pct for his career is .569 (wow), His shooting pct for his career is .497 (yes there is a difference). Also scored 3,000 pts in one season (his third season) Averaged 43 pts a game in the 85-86 playoffs. Since his second season never averaged under 30 pts in the playoffs.2.3 spg for his career. 5.2 rebounds and 6.3 assist per game for his career. Led the NBA in steals 3 times and Led the NBA in scoring 1o times. At the age of 38 averaged 22 pts a game and at the age of 39 averaged 20…I can go on for days ….

    Now Kobe: 5 rings 3 with Shaq 2 with Gasol. The 3 years he didnt have either he didnt make it pass the 1st round twice and didnt make the playoffs once. Regular season MV.. Once, Finals MVP .. twice. 8 time all defensive team, 8 time all nba team, Second most points in an NBA game (81) Career average on points, rebounds and assist are 25.3 pts, 4.7 rbs, 5.3 asts. Never led the NBA in steals and led the NBA in scoring twice.

    Now here’s the facts: Jordan made Pippen, Paxson, Grant, Kerr, Kukoc, Armstrong better. Kobe has taken away from players game that actually play better when he is not on the court. (numbers dont lie) Jordan played against an era with defensive teams like Detroit, Boston, LA, Portland, New York, ect. Kobe is playing against defensive teams like …… you tell me. Jordan is the legend killer and each ring he has he took out teams that would win a title now. LA, Portland, Utah (twice) Seattle, Phoenix. Kobe and LA beat Indiana, Philly, New Jersey, Orlando, and Boston. Boston is the only team that would had been good in Mike’s era. MJ plays like MJ, Kobe plays like MJ. MJ got drafted by Chicago and turned them around. Kobe got drafter by the Hornets and refused to play for them… did you know this? BTW people say Kobe is a better shooter from 3? MJ career average from 3 is .327 with 1,778 attempts and Kobe is .340 with 3.829 attempts. (hmmmm) With all that said I believe Kobe is one of the greatest scorers and thats it!. He’s not even a top 5 Laker let alone top 10 in the NBA and if you believe he is than Lebron must be top 5. I got facts and stats on why LB is a better player also………

  38. Jason says:

    Why do people constantly jump on the “Jordan is the greatest, hands down” bandwagon. I read a comment that said, Kobe will never be half of what Jordan was in his prime… I will pick apart this statement particularly to set a precedent to other people’s comments.

    Jordan’s prime: 33.6ppg, 6.9rpg, 6.3apg, 2.8spg, 0.7bpg, 3.01tpg on 52.6 FG% and 37.6 3P%.
    1/2 Jordan’s prime: 16.8ppg, 3.3rpg, 3.2apg, 1.4spg, 0.3bpg, 6.02tpg on 26.3 FG% and 18.8 3P%

    Kobe’s prime: 35.4ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.5apg, 1.8spg, 0.4bpg, 3.13tpg on 45 FG% and 34.7 3P%

    Please tell me Kobe’s prime is better than half of Jordan’s prime.

    Kobe deserves to be top 10 of all time, you people are just taking down his credibility for reasons such as: ballhog, his career’s not over yet, he had charges against him, he had problems with Shaq and Phil.

    Well, he’s known as a ballhog because there was no one he could pass to in only the times of 05-07. There were some plays where he refused to pass to open people. Yes, because he did not trust them because they constantly failed him before. Even if his career stopped now, he would be in the top 10 with his achievements, give me a break with the “he shouldn’t be in the same sentence as Jordan BS” On the charges, many sportspeople have had charges on them such as J-Kidd. With Shaq and Phil, well, Jordan wasn’t exactly the best locker-room person, he went nuts 24/7.

  39. paulo jorge says:

    Michael JORDAN é e, será sempre o melhor basquetebolista e desportista de todos os tempos.

    Ele definiu o conceito de superstar, transformou o basquete em verdadeira arte.

    tudo nele parecia divino, a forma de bater a bola, os seus movimento para tabela, até a forma de correr

    era simplesmente gracioso, tal como disse o grande kevin johnson, ele parece uma bailarina.

    Kobe, é de facto o basquetebolista que mais se parece ao JORDAN, mas não atinge a sua graciosidade, não chega aos seus pés, não há comparação possivel

    FOREVER JORDAN

  40. janro, ubrok says:

    what did u said? jordan without pippen nothing, maybe kobe without shaq and now phil jackson no nothing also, kobe has a good great big guys on the floor. jordan has a not so big and not so athletics guys during his time but he can carry the team and do some steals. for kobe he only finished the basket but other steals and other rebound. itr is a big difference. maybe if kobe rise during jordan time he is like dom wilkins or like karl malone.

  41. luv of tha game says:

    Gotta agree with Red Army. Jordan pretty much beats Kobe in every stat.
    As a dominate player. Jordan and the bulls were more dominant than any Kobe led team. EVER. During the six championships (would have probably had at least 1 more if he hadn’t played baseball.) Jordan’s team never once had to play a 7 game series for the championship. That’s an amazing stat. Plus they nearly sweep the Lakers in their prime.
    Also, hand checking was allowed in those days as well as what would now be known as flagrant fouls. Look at some of the old footage of Bulls vs. Pistons where they were just playing dirty agains MJ. Now they would be suspended for that stuff.
    Guys might be a bit more athletic now, but athleticism and skill are two different qualities, Jordan had both along with a killer instinct.
    Kobe has the same killer instinct, but some of the stuff he’s done has harmed his rep. I.E. Taking only 3 shots in 24 minutes while down 15 against phx in a game 7. What the hell was that?) He pouted and passed up wide open looks just to prove the Lakers couldn’t win without him.

    Kobe is a great player but he never would have won the first 3 without Shaq. He also lost with Malone, Shaq, and Payton on his squad. (For shame Kobe.) The team he has now is basically one of all stars. Gasol, Odom, Artest, Bynum (when he can walk) are by far stronger than any squad Jordan ever had. Remember Buechler, Longley, Cartwright, Perdue.

    It’s kind of a silly arguement that we’ll never settle. Both are great. Kobe is a bit better shooting 3 pointers, especially with guys in his face. I’ve never seen anyone shoot as well as him from long range, with guys all over him. Particularly a few seasons ago.
    But Jordan finished better than anyone around the basket, especially after getting fouled. And Jordan could win with his amazing defense as well as his offense.

    When Kobe is finished playing he will be no doubt have to be considered one of the top two or three players ever. He’s the one guard in the past 30 years who really comes close to MJ. Who knows if he could win 3 more rings. I think then you could maybe argue that he’s better. Maybe.

  42. ninjakol says:

    pakdap says:
    October 19, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Do you guys even consider the level of competition for MJ and KB? I can say that Wade and LeBron would be in top 10, even top 5 all time when they hang up. And they’re in KB era. When MJ played, who would match him up, Pipen was on his side who at that time was the best perimeter defender. If Jordan played LeBron, Bron would eat him alive. Level of competition, KB hands down. Take the best five of MJ’s era against the five best of KOBE. MAGIC, MJ, PIPEN, MALONE, HAKEEM (cant think any better, you try) against WADE, KOBE, BRON, DUNCAN, HOWARD (and there’s more, KG, SHAQ, DURANT, MANU, PAUL). I even think the 2nd team would play fair against them.

    LOL are you crazy?? do you really think jordan doesn’t have any comepetion during his era?? so are you telling me that guys like stockton,malone,bird,mchale,magic,isiah,barkley,ewing,olajuwon,kareem,robinson,drexler,dominique and so on are not good for they are no competition during MJ’s era?? I’m not biased and i know how good kobe,bron,wade and the players of today are.. but the level of competition before is tougher than today!!

    im not a kobe hater, but i think you misjudged anything happened during 80’s 90’s… if you say that if MJ would play today he won’t score or even be great then think again. if you put lebron on the 80’s team and play the pistons or the knicks of the 90’s he would be hacked everytime he tries to elevates… if you put wade against the players on the 90’s who always handchecks and plays suffocating 1on1 defence i think he will have difficulty to score… and kobe, do you think he will be better than MJ if he plays during Mj’s era?? and MJ during kobe’s era?? i doubt if all the player defending today are just raising hands and no handchecked, MJ would score each and every basket fading away from them… before even jordan have difficulty shaking his defender since they allowed defence that almosts HUGGED you!!

    @ T Dawg
    i like your lists of all time guards except, where is the Big O???

    For those saying that MJ didn’t win in the 80’s during magic and birds era… yeah its a fact that he can’t but can you see the impact he has and playing with the likes of uhmm almosts nobody?? magic has kareem,worthy,ac green,scott etc etc… bird has mchale,parish,DJ,walton etc etc… and for kobe, who do you think kobe’s teammates?? i will give you a short list:

    kobe’s team mate (pass to present ) 2000-2010

    1. SHAQ
    2. KARL MALONE
    3. GARY PAYTON
    4. MITCH RICHMOND
    5. GLEN RICE
    6. robert horry
    7. PAU GASOL
    8. DENNIS RODMAN
    9. RON ARTEST
    10. lamar odom
    11. CARON BUTLER
    12. brian grant
    13. isiah rider
    14. ron harper
    15. HORACE GRANT
    16. CHUCK PERSON
    17. devean george
    18. derek fisher
    19. rick fox
    20. bryon russel
    21. jim jackson
    22. andrew bynum
    23. vlade divac
    24. shannon brown
    25. trevor ariza
    26. aaron mckie

    if jordan have than many in 10 yrs span, lets say he teamed up with pippen and olajuwon… or pippen and ewing… or pippen and david robinson… or pippen and shaq himself, i think they will dominate an entire decade!! not to mention kobe’s bench is waaaaaaay deeper and better than MJ’s… If you put Tmac or AI or reggie miller with shaq and all those all stars and role players, lakers would still win 5 rings 😀

    im not doubting kobe.. i still believe he’s 1 of the greatest to play the game but the comparison to MJ’s… its just way too soooooooooon…. BTW, i still think that lebron’s batch (2003) are way better than kobe’s (1996)…

    2003 batch

    1. lebron
    2. bosh
    3. melo
    4. wade
    5. hinrich
    6. kaman
    7. ford
    8. collison
    9. ridnour
    10. david west
    11. boris diaw
    12. travis outlaw
    13. carlos delfino
    14. josh howard
    15. leandro barbosa
    16. MO williams
    17. zaza pachulia
    18. kyle korver
    19. steve blake
    20. mickel pietrus

    etc etc.. not to mention that matt caroll and marquis daniels are undrafted players during that year

    2003 batch already produce 8 all stars (lebron,melo,wade,bosh,kaman,josh howard,david west,mo williams), 3 pt shootout champ, 6th man of the year, most improved player, all star mvp, finals mvp and MVP. and they are still young!!

  43. JustBeingMe says:

    It seemed like it was more exciting to watch the Nba back then its funny people say Jordan didnt have competition when he had the olympic Dream Team to contend with every nite, whichwas deemed the greatest team ever assembled you had Malone, Bird, Barkley, Olujawon, Drexler, Stockton…to play against those teams every nite had to have been difficult…I think Jordan had plenty of competition not to mention some of todays players shaq teamed upwith Penny and then teamed up with Kobe and still couldnt stop Jordan, I think a MJ in his prime with the 96 Bulls in their prime would still win 70 games in today’s games lol

  44. loyd says:

    kobe is the best palyer in the world

  45. Gexz says:

    Stop arguing guys! Let’s end this conversation once and for all…

    Michael Jordan = The “Greatest” basketball player who ever lived.

    Kobe Bryant = One of the “Top 5” who ever played basketball in the planet.

    Done. As simple as that. End of discussion.

  46. nino says:

    Ha..ha..this article comes to the point of comparing jordan and bryant…as usual…Bryant said jordan is right can be #1, can be #2 in top 10…end of discussion…Regarding the best, I think we should ask Phil Jackson, he’s the one that can conclude on this because he seen the two guys play all night long with his side…

  47. JustBeingMe says:

    kobe is in my top 10 of greatest players to ever play, also in my top 10 of all time hated athletes lol

  48. JustBeingMe says:

    The only thing Kobe got one up over Jordan is turnovers

    • To All Kobe Haters says:

      Did MJ ever score 81 points in a game? 7 ( or 6 ) winning shots in one season? From Champs to rebuild to Champs again?
      Safe to say, before 1998 MJ is the greatest, but after1998 he just sucks, on everything!

  49. pogz says:

    ahmmm… jordan is right…he knows what he’s saying b’coz he knows how to play..that’s it…

  50. reality check says:

    top 5 players don’t choke in the finals… nuff said.

    • Spurs System Sucks says:

      First of all, Lakers did win. You can’t say “Choke” on wining side. And,
      Paul, Ray and Tony combined shots, 8/29, Kobe 6/24.
      Paul, Ray and Tony combined Rebound, 12, Kobe 15.
      Paul, Ray and Tony combined Assisst. 4, Kobe 2.
      Paul, Ray and Tony combined Turnover, 7, Kobe 4
      Paul, Ray and Tony combined Points 29, Kobe 23.
      Game 7 is not pretty for everyone. Why don’t mention Game 1, 3, 5, 6?

    • Peter2010 says:

      Kobe almost woin Game 5 all by himself. Dude, you ever watch a game?

  51. JustBeingMe says:

    I don’t even know why everybody is comparing kobe to MJ when Kobe doesnt have as many rings, Laker fans it sounds nice but lets wait until Kobe wins 6. As a matter of fact no other player in the history of athletic sports has won 3 championships retired and came back and won 3 more..As far as Kobe a beter shooter …not so much…MJ won a college national championship and a gld medal before entering the NBA. MJ was a natural leader he didnt need to watch anyone from the bench. Kobe doesnt even have as many MVP’s and people are saying he is better how does dat happen?????Kobe with never even entered a slam dunk contest, he has gold medals but Jordan won one when he was close to Kobe’s age….its funny dat these people make all of these suggestions and dont even know all that Jordan has done for da sport or the NBA…if I had a choice of watching old footage of Jordan and a current Laker game I choose the old footage because I will see something I never seen before and will never see again….Jordan will always be the greatest player in history

  52. Ryan says:

    Mj played in a watered down expansion league with short white guys playing defense on him. These days, the league has far superior athletes. Plus, it’s a persons job out there to know what percentage when kobes goes right when a man plays him a certain way, and when he goes left. There weren.t that many good teams at all when jordan played either. You can bring up jordans stat line from his 69 point game, but did you know he had to total 50 minutes in overtime to equal that many? That’s 8 more minutes than it took kobe to to score 81. 8 more minutes and kobe would have grabbed more rebounds and steals, and he probably would of scored AT LEAST 100 the way he was dominating that night.

  53. Invasmani says:

    Jordan is the best basketball player in history Kobe fans are so delusional it’s not even funny how badly they overate him.

    If he’s so great why is it Wade was the best scorer on the Olympic team why are his statistics better why did he beat him in the skills competition and why did he play better against the Celtics statistically in the playoffs last year from a player standpoint than Kobe with a worse team backing him? Why was he the All Star MVP over Kobe? Last, but not least you can’t forget the fact Wade won his championship when Shaq was all ready on his decline down from reaching the summit of his career.

    Wade is the best guard since Jordan and anyone with a shred of common sense credibility knows it. Kobe is much more inconsistent than Wade on the whole. Also Wade is only player in NBA history to get over 100 blocks in a single season as a SG.

    • Spurs System Sucks says:

      Do you know who is the best scorer on dream team? It is Sir. Charles Barkley, NOT your goat, either.

  54. win says:

    kobe needs 2 more rings, 4 more MVPs, 5 more Finals MVPs, a Defensive player of the Yr award, and a career 30pt scoring avg.Jordan has a better FG%, FT%, blocks average, steals average and rebounds average than Kobe. The only things Kobe is better at is the 3PT% and turnovers. MJ is a rookie of the year, Kobe is not. He’s 2 times Dunk Champion to Kobe’s 1.

  55. balut says:

    yeah!! air penny!! the next magic in the nba if didn’t get injured! too bad!

  56. 000000MJ2345000000 says:

    Okay Jordan team when enough games to consider that kobe is closer than one may think. But the end of the day Jordan lead his team to 6 rings not 3 rings. Shaq was the team leader for the first 3 rings. He proved it when he left LA and won with the Heat. At the end of the day 53 wins doesn’t equal a championship year because you need the greatest of all team to carry you over the hump. Let me remind you lakers fans. That kobe doesn’t carry a team because the first year you guys played the celtics you lost because you guys never had Pau. Secondly when LA is health you guys win but don’t win because of Kobe you will because of Pau. Take Pau out of the playoff and do you guys think you guys can truly win without Pau Gasol. I sure would love to see you guys Prove it. Last year God was on the lakers side becasue if Perkins was health Boston would of took it. Kobe is good but still not better than Magic Johnson. If a lakers fan disagree then you just started to watch basketball just the other day.

  57. peenoy!! says:

    kobe,lbj,dwade,melo is not a star today! if penny hardaway was still healthy and doesnt get injured! jordan once said before he might take over once he is finished playing the game he love!

  58. NBAtoday_OverratedEra says:

    For the smart fans out there.. stop wasting your time defending MJ in this topic. Too many kids or idiot Laker fans in here who don’t know crap. It’s a new era and millions of new age fans who are brainwashed by the media. I feel sorry for them. Kobe is the best? LOL.. pity

    • To All Kobe Haters says:

      Sure, you are smart by believing your Airness can score 100 points now, except he couldn’t do it when he acctually playing. Sure, you are smart by believing Champs won by players not the Organizations. Sure, you are smart by telling your fellow MJ-P-Suckers not being here to defend your goat but you acctually are here complaining this is new era….
      Who would complain the new era? Idiot?

  59. Basketball 101 says:

    First of all, all you Jordan worshipers need to stop saying Kobe doesn’t have half his talent. Kobe probably has more talent coming straight out of high school and playing michael jordan during his winning years. A 17 year old? The youngest going to the all star game? Right out of high school everyone compared him to Michael. Yet every Jordan worshiper forgets that at 32 Jordan didn’t have 6 rings yet Kobe at 32 already has 5 on to 6. Kobe won when he was 22. Now for shaqs case How old was shaquille? He was 28. Think about that. How is Shaq a leader? All he did was stay in the paint, get the ball and dunk it. In the clutch Kobe and horry and fisher would bail the lakers out of a loss. It’s a team a game shaq isnt a leader especially with the personality he has. Also to say gasol is the reason why lakers are winning can be true but you need every player on the team to win. Great example before Rodman and pippen Jordan didn’t win a single championship. NONE. So that isn’t a case anymore. Basketball is a team game. Here’s why Kobe is the leader to average the most Points, assist, steals in his team while being clutch and hitting game winners? Pau needs Kobe Kobe needs the lakers to win. End of story.

  60. ray says:

    Jordan is just trying to put down kobe. i think he’s afraid to ever admit that kobe will be equal if not greater than him in the future. people will also never admit it because they dont want anyone to come close to jordan, which is mainly why people hate kobe in the first place because he is the closest thing since. im sure if kobe left the team they would not get anywhere close to 53 wins.

  61. Mark says:

    So I definately think Kobe is around 6th all time right now. But lets keep in mind he is pretty much the only player in the conversation of top 10 greatest of all time. I think this discussion will be very interesting if kobe wins 2 more titles giving him
    7 Rings
    4 Finals MVP
    probably finish his career in the top 6-7 in scoring all time
    We all know rings define legends and if Kobe can get to 7 Rings before he retires, He will definately be Number 2 All time
    Maybe even number 1, with more rings that Jordan and getting those rings in todays era with so many powerhouse teams.
    What do you guys think?
    7 rings and he is in the TOP 2 All time in the mix with jordan?

  62. @Lakers Sucks says:

    KOBES THE BEST!!!! BUT HE STILL SUCKSS MJ IS FIRST

  63. OOOOOO yea i forgot 81 POINTS!!!!!!!

  64. Why are you guys talking about whos better jordan or kobe that isnt even what this whole thing is about you retards its about if kobe’s in the top ten so calm down.By the way no doubt kobe is in the top10 matter of fact kobe is in the top 3 of all time for me it goes 1.Jordan 2.Kobe 3.Magic 4.Bird 5.Wilt 6.kareem 7.Jerry West 8.Elgin 9.Olajuwan 10.Tim Duncan. Dont even say kobe isn’t number 2 because its either him or magic and this year kobe definitely became the greatest laker of all time so lets see.Oooo wasnt magic johnson a laker wait now that means he cant be in front of kobe. So stop putting magic in front of kobe because kobe is number 2 period!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT FORGET ABOUT THE PAST THE PRESENT IS WHATS GOIN DOWN ****KOBE ALL DAY!!!!!!****

  65. flyheight says:

    ya’ll have to think that they are both in different eras. jordan is jordan and kobe is kobe. the only difference between the two was how they started their careers in the nba. and considering how young kobe entered the nba. i cant say that kobe is the next jordan, but he’s the KOBE of today. he’s the best CLOSER of the game today. which made him similar to michael. with game on the line, who do you want the ball to end up with? arent their names ( kobe and michael) on top of your list? or should i say the only name on your list?

    well i just want to clarify this, jordan simply, without any debate THE best player of all time.
    but, with kobe playing the way mj did, come on! he’s deserving of the top players in the history of the game.
    guard wise, kobe shud be close to jordan.
    with every player, no doubt he’s still on the top 10 of all time…. ya dig?

  66. MaTT says:

    I would put Kobe in my top 10 guards of all time. He is an amazing player and has developed into a great leader. In my opinion he still has a long way to go before I would put him in the same class as Jordan. MJ is the greatest basketball player of all time. He led his team to 6 NBA championships, as well as being awarded the Finals MVP 6 times. Kobe can definately take over a game and has one of the best jump shots with a hand in his face that I have ever seen. Jordan was not only the best offensive player in the league but was also the best defensive player as well which I believe places him in a class by himself

  67. 3Peat,17,6 says:

    kevin…it’s funny how noone responded 2 ur comment bro…u witnessed jordan and kobe and r puttin kobe in front of him…if i got the chance 2 see jordan i’d probably do the same thing!!!!…

  68. Mario says:

    I’ll try to look at the comparison MJ vs. Kobe from different angle. First of all, yes, Kobe is a better 3pt shooter than MJ, yes. What else? Kobe won hist championships with Shaq – one of the most dominant players in his greatest years, now on the team he has Artest and Barnes (two very good defenders who would otherwise guard Kobe while playing for other teams), and Kobe has Gasol and Bynum – powerful rebounders as well as very good offensive players. Now compare this situation with what MJ had: no disrespect to his former team mates, but MJ never had as good a player at the centre position as Gasol or Bynum, none were even close as far as I remember. Some of you pointed out how many games the Bulls had won after MJ retired in ’93 – why is that? Maybe it’s because MJ really did players around him better? Look at S.Pippen’s moves, some of them are exactly like MJ’s, and that’s even noticed by Phill Jackson (if you saw some of documentaries about MJ). Sure, Kobe is now the best and most dangerous player on the floor. But he isn’t as good as MJ, and he’ll never be in my opinion (and it’s just an opinion, no disrespect to Kobe whatsoever, he’s the best at the moment). Kobe is a great one on one player, but not as good as MJ. Kobe is a good defensive player, but not as good as MJ, just look at stats and after all it’s MJ who won the best defensive player of the year award. Add all of his season MVP’s, finals’ MVP, scoring titles, etc. – he is indeed the best, even though Kobe might be just behind him in that list of all-time greats.

  69. GMedina says:

    “There’s Michael Jordan, and there is the rest of us.” -Magic Johnson

  70. Patrick says:

    Kobe is a top 10 all time guard. My top 5 is 1) M Jordan, 2) Magic Johnson, 3) Kobe, 4) Penny Hardaway, 5) Allen Iverson. Jerry West time those boys played against really less guys. The players of the 50’s and 60’s would have to stepup alot to be competitive in todays league. That includes Wilt, Bill Russell, Kareem and the list goes on. In my opinion the 80’s to mid 90’s had the best of the players. Don’t let stats fool you. Watch the skill set of those guys. Penny is one guy who stats says nothing about is skills. He was really good. Anyway I pick Magic above Kobe because he of his playmaking ability. MJ as no. 1 because he was one of the best all time defenders and the best scorer ever way better than Wilt. Wilt holds most points in a game and highest season average but those guys game really suck in his time. If Wilt played now he probably would average 15 to 20 at best if so much with those lame moves I see in the videos. I know we are talking about 10 guards but I had to get that in.

  71. Tenki says:

    @Peter 2010:

    It’s just appropriate for Carter to give up his slot to his idol and his alumni, because he looked up to that player in his entire life. Jordan may not get the votes from ignorant people like you, but he got the respect he deserves from his peers, from the legends before he played to the aspiring legends. I’d reckon Kobe voted for MJ in that All-Star game you’re talking about, but he didn’t gain the support from his very ignorant and shallow-minded fans like you. MJ had 20 points that game. By the way, did I mention that Jordan is the ONLY player in the history of the All-Star Game to register a triple-double? And despite getting injured in the ’85-’86 season, he was voted into the starting lineup, not to mention he was only 2 points shy of tying Wilt’s 42-point output in ’87-88, when they hosted the All-Star Game.

    Show me proof that Kobe is way better than Jordan, and I’ll be ready to hear your side. In the meantime, I’ll watch KD’s highlights on YouTube, read his stats, and compare them to your goat.

    • Peter2010 says:

      The problem is you only read stats watch highlights and eat everything others feed you. You may still believe our Earth is flat anyway. Tons of fans like MJ more than KB but tons of others don’t. Likr my post above: I want form a team around Kobe not MJ because Kobe simply just want to win, but MJ wanted more. To me, to take other player’s hornor, to ignore millions of fans opinion is just not acceptable. Not take something that is not belong to you. I believe Kobe will not do that. And Kobe will not speech at HOF like MJ, either. And, I said before, MJ had 15 years do score 100 points in a game, but he couldn’t. Why he said he score now? Just because there is no way to prove it so you can say what ever you want? What make you think if I say or Kobe claim that Kobe can beat MJ one on one in sleep. And you know what, It is true for now. Because Kobe can beat MJ in his sleeping right now.

    • Peter2010 says:

      And Sb told me, when MJ retired at 1994 Bulls had to sign a player (Ron Harpper) to replace him. Then, when MJ came back, and Ron Harpper still in contractor, Bulls even stronger than 1993′ Bulls. MJ just made bulls’ manager almost double paid the 2-position.—- This is just somebody told me I am not sure it’s true or not.
      Hay, Tenki, you read a lot, you may know.

    • Peter2010 says:

      And that’s how MJ got the 3-peat after his first retirement. He played with other two HOF. one King Wing Man in Pippen another Rebound King in Rodmen (future HOF for sure). Hornorable mention King 3-point sharp shooter in Kerr. And King of under-rated player like Ron Harpper, Tony K. and Longley and Bulls’ benches. After all, King of Coach in Phil Jackson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Some body tell me, who can’t win with those guys? Even Lebron will win at least 6 rings. No, Even Ron Artest will.

      • Mac says:

        Peter, no insult intended, but you don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t even think you watched the Bulls from back then play. With the exception of Pippen and Rodman and maybe Kukoc , all of the other players on the Bulls championship teams, were pure role players like any other teams. Even comparable to last year’s Lebron’s Caveliers.
        You could compare Kerr to nowadays good 3 point shooters. Sharp, but they can’t create anything for themselves.
        They need the assist. Except the afore mentioned, the only role players off relevance on the Bulls championship teams were BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant. Those 2 were important pieces on the team. The Phoenix Suns, Spurs, Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks, Atlanta Hawks and Orlando Magic of nowadays have more talented players, but they still can’t win like those Bulls. They don’t have the glue guy. The unstoppable scorer, the tenacious defender, the creator, the energizer and commander that was MJ was. You just don’t know!

  72. Tenki says:

    @Scott holmes:

    By the way, your car comparison is like this, in my perspective: a 1994 McLaren F1(MJ) versus a Toyota Prius(Kobe). Thanks for giving me another insight about car comparison and MJ-Kobe comparison. It’s very relevant.

  73. Tenki says:

    @scott holmes:

    Kobe the best ever. The most pathetic post I have read in this forum. Never knew the game. What are you, a 2 year old who speaks fluently? Grow up man! Be man enough to witness MJ, and let him unfold you eyes with his game that Kobe could only imitate, but NEVER dominate, let alone beat it. Give yourself a chance to ride Flight 23 with MJ, take back what you said, and redeem yourself from a mortal sin.

    Kobe said he’d school LeBron in his sleep, but he can only school MJ in his wildest dreams. And if you pit MJ vs. Kobe one-on-one in their most dominant fashion, winner’s ball, it’ll be Jordan, 12-0. Do you know Ron Artest? The great defender? Don’t you realize how much better Jordan plays defense when you compare their defensive skills? Don’t be as delusional as he is. He’s so obsessed in trying to overshadow Jordan that even his jersey numbers are so nostalgic.

    Now grab a DVD of Jordan’s highlights with your milk bottle. It will boost your brain development.

  74. Anatoly Rivera says:

    Let’s face it MJ23 is the #1 on NBA ALL TIME BEST PLAYER and KB24 is among on that list. All the MJ23 and KB24 hatter’s stop arguing whose the best of both players. MJ23 is MJ23 KB24 is KB24. I RESPECT all of your opinions and PLEASE RESPECT other OPINION as well that is why we are free to post a comment on this issue. LET’s CONSIDER he STAT EFFICIENCY, base on all regular season played as well as playoffs and nba championship games both players played. That’s all thank you. so stop replyin on others comment with nonsense replies. and please watch your words stop spamming vulgar words. i know all of you got your education right so stop spamming vulgar words. RESPECT EVERYONES OPINIONS.

  75. Tenki says:

    @Peter:

    Why? Are you Phil Jackson friend? Did he just tell you that? Why don’t you as k it yourself? First of all, Phil Jackson never had problems/issues with Jordan, because Jordan respects his coach. Kobe Questioned Phil Jackson’s integrity before, and that is very unprofessional, very unsportsmanlike. It’s as if Kobe challenged Jackson in a one-on-one game to prove who is the better man.

    As for the guy who brought up Bruce Bowen’s name in this forum, you are INDEED correct in everything you said. And now that Bowen’s not playing anymore, Kobe invited Matt Barnes into his side because Barnes is just as tough as Bowen. If Jordan would have played in this era in his prime, both Bowen and Barnes would’ve brought themselves to a mental asylum figuring out how to stop him. And who’s that defense specialist in Houston? Shane who? He can be of very good use to Jordan as a crosshair whenever he shoots. Bring ’em all deranged defenders against Jordan! Kobe has his Sefalosha memory to last him a lifetime.

  76. scott holmes says:

    I hate Kobe…but he is the best guard ever…..you can’t say that someone from the past is better than someone that plays at the current NBA talent level. I’m sorry, but technology, combined with Nutritional info, combined with the players is at the highest level it’s ever been right now…it’s called evolution….and in 10 years, it will be at a higher level, and someone will probably be better than Kobe….maybe Durrant.
    Kobe, right now, has the best of everything available to make him who he is….which is why he is the best.
    Now, some of you are going to say that some 1965 Corvette is gonna beat a 2010 Corvette just because you think the ’65 is the best looking car ever, or you like the sound of the engine????? Just cause it’s a classic, doesn’t mean it’s gonna win the race….
    I’m not saying that natural talent is irrelevant, quite the contrary, but I AM saying that technology with training, shoes, nutritional knowledge, etc. makes the best players way better than they could have been. Put Jordan in his prime against Kobe in his prime, and Kobe wins. Guard against guard. Again, I hate Kobe, but he is the best ever. Put him against anyone.

  77. Tenki says:

    @D.A.R.Y.L.:

    Kobe is never better than MJ. Look where MJ himself put him at the ‘top 10’ all-time. You’re a 4-year old retard who never witnessed MJ at his best.

  78. Tenki says:

    @aburido01:

    I presume you didn’t understand what I meant. Payton was indeed in the twilight of his career, but he’s still as efficient as he was with Seattle. It so happened that a rising star in Dwyane Wade was running things out there. Shaq was nearing the twilight of his career when he played in Miami. He was there to complement Wade’s game, not the other way around.

    Now I pretty understood what you meant about Kobe. Thanks for straightening things up.

  79. kings fan says:

    im an all time kings fan.. and i was 3rd row when they lost.. but kobe top ten.. yes. Kobe and micheal are the best 2 to ever play the game no doubt about it. I would give it to Jordan, but kobe is damn close.. and dont complain about coaches or players around them, go to a home gamne and watch kobe shoot jumnp shots 3 hours prior to warm up. I hate the lakers but kobe in one of the best ever..definetly top 10

  80. chills says:

    lol “alright”…how would jordan manage in todays game? he would eat them alive just imagine no handchecking, soft calls on fouls, MJ would have a field day. maybe even that 81 pts can be easily reached with MJ minus handcheck.
    handcheck kobe and he cries foul. thats y he hated bruce bowen.
    and please dont count others opinion as not having credibility if u dont even know them, plus ur accusations of corporate BS and entertainment is BS itself since kobe plays for LA, HOLLYWOOD, where would be a player likely be overrated? just ask urself that.
    I have respect for kobe, a great player, but not #2. yeah he’s won 5 rings.same as magic. but the first 3 was shaqs. Shaq was the leader there mate. sorry… but i think uve been had by the classic overrating hollywood script.
    i guess ur comments of todays game being harder now than back then puts u the premature group and puts ur credibility out the door, coz everyone knows that the game back then was more physical and harder to score. anyone whose been watching the game since 1990 would tell u that. the league itself wanted more scoring which accounted for the rule changes.

  81. chills says:

    lol…how would jordan manage in todays game? he would eat them alive just imagine no handchecking, soft calls on fouls, MJ would have a field day. maybe even that 81 pts can be easily reached with MJ minus handcheck.
    handcheck kobe and he cries foul. thats y he hated bruce bowen.
    and please dont count others opinion as not having credibility if u dont even know them, plus ur accusations of corporate BS and entertainment is BS itself since kobe plays for LA, HOLLYWOOD, where would be a player likely be overrated? just ask urself that.
    I have respect for kobe, a great player, but not #2. yeah he’s won 5 rings.same as magic. but the first 3 was shaqs. Shaq was the leader there mate. sorry… but i think uve been had by the classic overrating hollywood script.
    i guess ur comments of todays game being harder now than back then puts u the premature group and puts ur credibility out the door, coz everyone knows that the game back then was more physical and harder to score. anyone whose been watching the game since 1990 would tell u that. the league itself wanted more scoring which accounted for the rule changes.

  82. D.A.R.Y.L says:

    KOBE IS THE GREATEST PEEPS…What’s Up With You!…Basketball Before Is Not as tough as Today…Do You People Believe that MJ can win his 6 rings if he’s playing today?…..I’m A Fan of MJ But I’m A Bigger Fan Of KOBE:)Kobe’s better than MJ…Period…And that’s the BOTTOM LINE.

  83. raven says:

    KENNY PAYNE
    Kobe dropped 55 on Jordan when he was 38. WTF are u talking about.

  84. wolfmann11 says:

    I have seen and read ALL your comments.

    Some are biased on Kobe. Some are biased on MJ.
    Some are based on hatred for Kobe too.
    Everyone knows that MJ is the greatest player in the NBA. There is no question about that.

    The question here is if Kobe is #2?
    Kobe is already at his peek. Soon lebron and the others will rise.
    A lot of you said that Kobe didnt win because of Pau, Bynum and Odom.
    It is true. Basketball is never a solo game. It is a team sport.

    Did Jordan win the title without Pippen?
    Jordan is like Kobe, he also has his own supporting casts.

    We cannot compare their greatness because back then it was different from now.

    I couldnt say that Kobe is #2 right now but I could say though that he is half of Jordan already.

  85. dannysoya says:

    michael jordan is of course the greatest basketball player of all time . i will absolutely accept that hands down. but to say that kobe bryant is not up to half of what MJ is. THAT IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS!! first of all kobe is an all time top ten WITHOUT QUESTION. unless you have been a blind bat you would know that kobe is not just any basketballer.
    sure he was playing behind eddie jones at first but let me be the one to remind you that he came from HIGH SCHOOL and how many people come directly from high school and get a starting spot on a NBA championship team. michael jordan played for North carolina , one of the greatest basketballing institutions in the history of the sport. i can confidently say that if kobe bryant got a chance to go to college , he would have done far far more than what michael jordan did in college. michael jordan wasn’t even the best in college. it was len bias. if len bias did not die we might be saying another thing today about MJ. also i am sure you know that kobe’s NBA career did not start of all rosy. he was 13th draft pick of charlotte and then got traded for vlade divac (at the time everyone thought the lakers had gone mad doing that trade but look at them now). kobe bryant has won FIVE championship rings ALL of which he has been an integral part of. do not tell me that he never led his team to glory or any of that crap. how many people score 81 points in a single game. how many people can score more points than an entire playoff team for 3 quarters in a basketball game? and you know that right now , he is 32 years old and is still hitting the threes like it doesn’t mean anything. just ask memphis , toronto , boston , phoenix , dallas and the rest of the teams he has destroyed.
    and some pple are giving us terrible reasons for why they think MJ is right. because kobe stole mj’s moves? what is that? that doesn’t even make sense. what are the moves he stole. you say it like he zapped out all the powers from mj’s body. HE IS PLAYING HIS OWN GAME AND BEING INCREDIBLE AT IT. why can’t you people just understand that?

    • Cuzn Deer says:

      Every player that dominated in college don’t dominate in the NBA. Glenn Robinson is a perfect example. Some players are sleepers. (Dwayne Wade). No one knew that Wade would be this good. A lot of people did not think that Brandon Jennings could even play. Some players games are best suited for college and some for the NBA.

  86. Clyde says:

    I couldnt even read most of these coments. Kobe wont ever be as good as Jordan. And Im not even sure Jordan was the best ever….its hard to say someone is the best basketball player ever when there are multiple positions in a team game.

    I could talk for days about why Micheal Jordan is better than Kobe Bryant…but to make it quite simple. Michael Jordan was in a different league in his competitive spirit. No one will be better than him without being more competitive than him. He had all the tools physically and mentally to win games. He was a defensive freak in the days when the NBA actually had defence. Then he would overwhelm you with his offence. Some of these coments make me think no one here is above the age of 17…just because Kobe is one fo the best players in the last 10 years doesnt mean he is one of the top players of all time. Personally I think the last 10 years of the NBA has probably been the weakest 10 years in its history.

    Here is my All time All NBA Team

    Center – Bill Russell
    Power Forward – Tim Duncan
    Small Forward – Larry Bird
    Shooting Guard – Michael Jordan
    Point Guard – Magic Johnson

    • Felipe says:

      Good stuff Clyde…that would be my team 2 except i would put Hakeem Olajuwon at power forward…yeah he played center but he could dominate at power forward 2. There r some people here who seem 2 know their basketball. I have been a basketball fan since the Jordan era and up 2 now. I think some people have it right, Jordan is the best ever and Kobe is the best in the game right now. Im not saying Kobe will never pass Jordan cause he has maybe 6,7, or 8 good years 2 play. Anything can happen in this world so lets see where he stands after his career is over.

    • To All Kobe Haters says:

      Shaq, Tim, Lebron, Kobe, Wade will beat your team.

      Why you pick Tim? He is from your weakest 10 years.

    • To All Kobe Haters says:

      What Bill can do, Hack a shaq?
      Well, Tim is Tim.
      Bird to Lebron? If no “one hour” thing, people think he is right next to MJ if they are not Kobe’s fans. I just can’t picture Bird to defend Lebron.
      MJ to Kobe, we all know.
      Magic to Wade, size vs speed, could go either way.

      All respect to Bill, Bird, MJ, Magic, but time flys……………..

  87. gokobe says:

    for all of u idiots like redarmy who think its all about stats just dont know nothing. first of all russel has 11 rings almost twice as many as jordan and wilts numbers make jordan look like a highschool girl if its soo much about the stats then they are both better then jordan

  88. kennypayne says:

    people wanna see how good jordan was as he was getting old? check out youtube and type jordan vs. ray allen, or jordan vs. kg, jordan vs kobe … he killed ray allen, killed kg who tried to guard him, killed kobe, killed everyone in the 90’s and killed everyone at age 38…
    Is kobe #2- well first 3 rings were when shaq was most dominant… second two rings he had a sick front court- bynum, odom, gasol 3 seven footers and artest … much more help than jordan ever had and he might not win title two without kendrick perkins going down

  89. Greg B says:

    I believe there is more going on when comparing Kobe and MJ to one another than just talent alone. Michael says that Kobe belongs in the top 10 of all time, with no disrespect to Kobe, and he does not place him in any particular spot in the top 10 so who knows where he put him. By saying any more than that, say putting him in the top 2 or 3 then others start to question who gets put behind Kobe, The questions would then be raised about John Stockton, Earl Monroe, Magic Johnson, Jerry West, John Havlicek. Where do you put them? What about Walt Frazier, Clyde Drexler, Pete Maravich, Isiah Thomas? These guys were great players but people don’t look past 20 years and if we placed Kobe in any one spot the question is why there over others and where do they belong.

    Really Kobe will never be considered as “great” as MJ because he is a product of the game that MJ helped to create. Michael was basketball for a generation or more, where as Kobe is a part of it. “I want to be like Mike” was a song on a Mcdonalds commercial, he had is shoe brand, Space Jam, constant commercials, and during his playing years a family man, or so he was portrayed that way. Sadly for Kobe his career also goes hand in hand with who he helped create himself as. A player fighting with Shaq, a guy who cheated on his wife, trade me to Chicago, get me this player, Andrew Fing Bynum comments.

    All in all Kobe and MJ could be equally as great of players talent wise or one could be better than the other, who knows, players seem to be a product of their surroundings and great players like them arise to talent of their competition. Leave Shaq and Pippen and who ever else out of it, MJ and Kobe are to great players and at times are the best in the league, somedays they werent though, its a game by game basis

  90. kevin says:

    many could play the game and wins it…but what put His Airness above the rest is how he touch people. whenever he played everyone seemed to be chicago’s fan. every people wnats to see him play…everyone could dunk and some scores 80+. but the question? did it leave ahh’s and ohhs the way Michale have done throughout its career? theres no substitute in sports for someone who humbly make it there to someone whos started as narcissistic. MJ’s legacy could never been surpassed..because he is not a heir..his a KING

  91. Peter says:

    Ya bud, he’s washed up and he won the last 2 titles. MVP baby

  92. Peter says:

    Kobe is better. Who cares about the numbers? There are way more high quality players in the NBA today. Ask anyone and they will agree the talent in the league right now is higher then ever before. Kobe still does it! And if you don’t believe me ask their coach. Same coach, watched both careers. Youtube it

  93. justthinking says:

    Wow,

    some heated discussions going on overhere lol

    I am just wondering, why do americans always want to make “top … lists”? Clearly as the 100s of comments already show there are too much intangibles to even make a comparison, and it is totally personal about what is most important in a player’s accomplishments.

    For me, Jordan is GOAT. I was 12 when I saw him play for the first time and it was just poetry in motion, he was clearly both physically and mentally so far ahead of his time that i was completely blown away by his performance.

    But hey, if you only see the highlights and were 12 when KB entered, I can imagine having the same feeling about KB…. or Magic, or Oscar Robertson, or Chamberlain, or Larry Legend, or Kareem, maybe even AI…and the list goes on.

    Why don’t we jst stop making comparisons and enjoy what every year brings us! New unique players will show up every time!

    I can remember being pissed off at some older guys who were telling me that magic was a better player because he made his team play better than MJ, and was a better person off the court lol

    Just give the whole discussion a rest. Both of them rank in the all-time great list but both achievements and feelings do not give a good example of what these players have meant for the sport and the people they inspired.

    Jordan always stated Oscar Robertson was the best player ever, and he wanted to be like him:)

  94. phil says:

    Top ten of all time
    1. MJ
    2. Magic
    3. Kobe
    4. Bird
    5. Wilt
    6. Russell
    7. Shaq
    8. Kareem
    9. Hakeem
    10. Duncan

  95. ant@nite says:

    Let me say that Jordans comments on Kobe was pure hatered. Kobe is #2 to Jordan i’ll argue anybody on this subject as far as guards, name any guard all time besides jordan that could give Kobe a run? who? Clyde Drexler, yeah right,even Magic Johnson said Kobe is the best, and Magic was a guard. Kobe is #2 in guards all time behind Jordan but i got him #6 all time behind #1 Jordan, #2 Bill Russell, #3 Wilt Chamberlain, #4 Magic Johnson, #5 Larry Bird, #6 Kobe Bryant. and he still got years to move up in rank thats why Jordan Hating on Kobe. i got Magic over Kobe all time because of what Magic did for his team 11 apg thats big.

  96. Peter2010 says:

    To all MJ’s p-suckers:
    Remember the last all star game? MJ not even a starter!!!!! Vince Carter gave up his position to let your airness becoming a starter. Ring a bell????? Not everybody on this planet loves your goat. Accept that.
    I think Kobe will not take that hornor from an all star starter, Whomever he is, he earned it. Kobe is too classic to take that. MJ showed us he has no class when he said he can score 100 points in today’s game. And his HOF speech, too.
    Kobe, Lakers, 3-peat, 4-peat, 5………………Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaa

  97. Kes says:

    1 – Jordan

    2 – Kobe

    wheter you Kobe haters like it or not, he is the modern day Jordan, plain and simple. They were both coached by the same guy Phil Jackson, and he only produces greatness. Jordan would always be the G.O.A.T, Kobe be will be the greatest in his ERA.

  98. Keith says:

    While I do think that MJ is central in the conversation regarding the greatest player of all time, his ego and self-centered attitude never ceases to disappoint me. He went into his now famous acceptance speech/diatribe with everything centered on how everybody tried to diss him without acknowledging in a positive way, NOT ONCE, the people who helped him reach his goals. Classic MJ. Now he turns his jealous barbs toward Kobe, not because he doesn’t think Kobe is deserving, but only because somehow he perceives a small silver of light has been taken from away him. Who died and left him as the ultimate surveyor of the greatest player of all time??? Oh I forgot, the Jordan Rules!!!!!
    Anyway, while I am not the biggest Kobe fan, he has clearly positioned himself to be included in any conversation of the greatest player of all time. And clearly and sadly he has grown into a much classier person than Micheal Jordan. It’s a good thing points aren’t given for class, because MJ’s place on that list would be much lower!!!!!!!

  99. Mike says:

    WHY all the Jordan lovers says Kobe didn´t win if Pau or Shaq is on his team??? as long as I remember Jordan didn´t win without Pippenm, is the same thing on Kobe to win a championship into NBA a team has to be at least to great players if not please ask Bron or Dwight, all the greatest players alwayas have a great partner next to him.

  100. Sensor24 says:

    Kobe is not in the top 10, he is in the top 2.

  101. Harry says:

    And for all those folks mentioning an over 40 Malone:

    Does that mean Magic’s rings are worth more since he had an aging (late 30’s, early 40’s) Kareem on his team?

  102. Harry says:

    He is not in the top 10 ever. His style of play is why we now have the new rule to stop whining after a foul. The “Kobe” Lakers style of play is about foul shots not playing good basketball.

    If you look at the basic plays he doesn’t make, like boxing out Rondo who tips in a ball with the game on the line, or getting his shot blocked from behind by Turkoglu with the game on the line, they just bump him down in my book.

    The turnovers, the sloppy ball handling, the bad passes, they all add up.

    You never see those highlights for someone like Jordan, Magic, Bird, (list goes on) because they DON’T exist.

    This past Finals was an embarrassment. Kobe Bryant wins MVP of the Finals after one of the all time worst shooting performances I have ever witnessed in a Finals.

    It was the equivalent of John Starks winning the award had the Knicks somehow pulled off a win in 1994.

    I rate Kobe low for all the reasons above which can be summed up in this sentence:

    He plays for the foul, not to make the shot.

    To me that is the wrong way to play basketball.

  103. LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

    All you Kobe haters are pathetic, like seriously…you cant give the man any kind of credit for anything he has done. All you idiots know is his rape case, whether you like the man as a person or not can yall give the “player” of Kobe some damn credit. CREDIT IS DUE WHERE IT IS DUE, for gods sake. Kobe is one of the greats of all time, respect his game and work ethic, the guy wasnt even a number top five pick in the draft and look how far he has came throughout his career. No im not saying he is better than Jordan, but he is the closest thing to Jordan we have seen in this era and for you people to not agree with that is a straight crime against the NBA.

    Its funny how Kobe is only player criticized for his championships and no other player. Nobody says anything about Paul Pierce needing KG and ALLEN help, along with RONDO….nobody says anything about the 04′ Pistons….nobody is saying anything about TIM DUNCAN needing PARKER with the SPURS….EVERYBODY claims LEBRON is great and he did right by teaming up with WADE/BOSH, how the hell you people going give Kobe hell about SHAQ/GASOL when if LEBRON whens a ring it would have been on the back of two other ALLSTAR players….that just shows you how people just HATE Kobe, he is the only one who gets questioned but nobody else does…its pathetic and sad honestly

  104. haters says:

    jordan will poop on kobe

  105. aburido01 says:

    @Tenki

    I not saying that kobe is the best of all time… what I’m saying is that kobe had a chance to get a ring or two more MJ has. but that would not necessarily mean that KB is better than MJ. I love MJ, and I really respect him. I still think that MJ is the #1 and KB is #2. No disrespect to the other greats like Magic, Jerry West, Dr. J, Oscar Robertson & etc.

    Let me tell you something that you might not also know: “when LA lost to Detroit with four superstars (ahem).” they were with “Karl Malone & Gary Payton” who were already in the twilight of their respective career! with Malone already in the age 40 and can’t help kobe & shaq during that series. Remember???

    “Shaq left LA, landed to Miami “NEARING” the twilight of his career”… not the shaq that played in Phoenix or Cavs. “and won another title.” Just to remind you that the Miami got a better lineup that time than the Lakers. Miami got SHAQ, WADE, MORNING, WALKER, WILLIAMS, POSEY. & the lakers got, KOBE, odom, butler, smush parker who?, chris mihm who? You might not remember them anymore…do you?

  106. Tenki says:

    @Morpheus:

    Since when did Kobe eclipse MJ as the best closer of the game? If he was indeed the best closer, then why did LA lose to the Pistons with Shaq, Payton, and Malone as his teammates? Better yet, how about game 4 against the ’08 Celtics? Kobe simply closed the door on his team!

    Jordan was all about deliverance. Yes, he did falter once in Orlando, when Pippen alone brought the team to the playoffs and Jordan was making his first comeback. After that setback, MJ learned from his mistakes and redeemed himself by setting the Bulls on the highest stage of its existence with 72 wins in the regular season, and winning his fourth championship.

    Where’s the evolution that Kobe has undergone? Do you know the word ‘evolution’? You mean Kobe is a better version of Jordan? In what aspect? What facet? Footwork? Strength? Speed? Intelligence?

    If you think you know everything about Jordan, please don’t post that Kobe is an evolution of Jordan. Please refer to the post by red army if you want to know if evolution really did happen. And those measly 81 points against a mediocre team? Pit Toronto against the Celtics whom Jordan dropped 63 bombs, and I’ll place my bet with Bird. See the difference?

    I have a suggestion to make. Evolve into a better person. Holler if you dig me.

  107. michael montalvo says:

    @R4: Are you serious? I’m a Lakers fan but I don’t think the way you think. For me, all games are played fair and square. It’s not because of Kobe or Pau or anyone. It’s because of the teamwork and their desire to win. You telling us that without Pau the Lakers can’t win is true. But have u asked yourself that without Garnett and Ray Allen, will the celtics win? The celtics just got lucky in 2008. And they deserved that win. It’s unlucky for the lakers during that time because they haven’t jell so much. But kudos to the celts for making that series tough. So before you comment that GOD was on the lakers side during last championship run, think again dude.

  108. xxxx says:

    kobe is the best.. its not about accolades..its about overcoming adversaries

  109. Jowell Chua says:

    Kobe is pure CRAP, ballhog with nothing in tow. yup he is the best! the best ballhog the world has ever seen, the best there is there was there ever will be ballhog in the NBA. 81pts = BallHog lmao!. teammate basher who talk smack about teammates behind their backs (youtube), bash his coach, owners and even asks for trade, accused of rape, what a class act.

  110. ericson young villasoto says:

    being an nba fanatic… i can say that kobe bryant is one of the best guards/players in his generation… but, if i consider the entire history of the nba… there are lots of better guards that efficiently plays/ed the said position… he maybe belongs to top 25… but not in top10 or even top20… of course, mj is on the top! whew!

  111. Tenki says:

    @raven:

    You are having a misconception about the assist. It is a pass that results in a field goal for a TEAMMATE. It is a statistic that is overlooked by ball hogs because they shoot for all they care.

    Basketball is a team game. You don’t play to lose. You want to help your team in every way possible. Don’t look at the assist as just another statistic. It is one of the most essential aspects of the game because without assists, the game would be very difficult to play. Imagine going against five opponents all by yourself. Heck, even Jordan would get his butt kicked by opponents with relative ease. As a matter of fact, the reason why Jordan repeatedly lost to the Pistons in the playoffs earlier in his career is because he won’t trust his teammates. Detroit put more that one man in his way to the rim, and they lost. However, when he found himself trapped by Detroit when they made it to the Finals, he let his teammates finish the basket because it is relatively easier to shoot the ball when the opponent keeps guessing whom he will pass the rock. Because of his sheer talent to draw the defense to him, his teammates would be left open to take the shot. Remember the Finals game when he gave up the shot and passed the ball to Steve Kerr? Steve was ready to take the shot. If it missed, Jordan would blame himself for giving up the shot, but it’s very unlikely for Kerr to miss it because he was wide open. Jordan drew the defense, and Kerr delivered the finishing blow. Result? Another championship ring. John Paxson’s championship-winning shot is another result of an assist. DJ’s shot off Bird is another result of an assist.

    John Stockton is an intelligent player. He shoots well at the line, at the perimeter, beyond the arc. Karl Malone is second all-time in points production in his career. Take away the assists in Malone’s points, and pick his name off the floor. Malone is talented, don’t get me wrong. It’s just that most of his field goals were made possible by Stockton. Malone’s status looks good up behind Kareem because he is a good player, and Stockton made him a BETTER one.

    Maybe you play too much one-on-one. Try having a teammate and see for yourself how valuable an assist is.

  112. ericson young villasoto says:

    being an nba fanatic… i can say that kobe bryant is one of the best guards/players in his generation… but, if i consider the entire history of the nba… there are lots of better guards that efficiently plays/ed the said position… he maybe belongs to top 25… but not in top10 or even top20… of course, mj is on the top!

  113. LCM91625 says:

    Let us sort things out. Jordan is one of the greatest players of all time. I had a real hard time ranking him the greatest, maybe top two (2) players of all time.
    Bryant is now in the top ten greatest players of all time. By the time he finished his career, he will be in the top ten greatest players of all time. To his credit, Bryant worked his way to be the top player of his team. From a second round pick to the top banana of your team, it is really a great feat. He has many accomplishments, stats wise, rings, and other barometers to be one of the greatest players.
    For me, I do not mind who should be the greatest player. It’s entertainment and the showcase of talent in the world of basketball that trump all these competitions!

  114. Tenki says:

    @aburido01:

    I understand that you are a fan of Kobe, because of the respect that you give him. Maybe Magic was honest to himself when he said that Kobe is the best Laker ever, but it doesn’t prove that he is the best all time.

    Let me tell you something that you might not know: when LA lost to Detroit with four superstars (ahem), he blamed Shaq. Shaq left LA, landed to Miami nearing the twilight of his career, and won another title. Kobe worked out the best of him, and yet failed to make it to the playoffs. When he did make it, they lost to Phoenix (ahem, ahem).

    Jordan never had such setbacks in his career. When he came out of retirement and lost to Orlando, he never barked at Pippen. He understood that his team needed to work harder, and he led by example. What happened then? 72-10, the best record in NBA history. The next season, 69-13. Equalled the best by the Lakers. No setbacks to Zen Master in the championship round. The ‘flu game’ was never a fluke. His father was shot to death by the Mafia to lose a game, and he didn’t succumb to the pressure. Let alone succumb to sickness.

    Jordan is much more resilient than Kobe. Jordan didn’t sit out many games in his career AFTER he sustained a foot injury. He was a humanoid. He won’t get hurt. He is UNSTOPPABLE. He is the Greatest All-Time.

  115. raven says:

    what’s really trippin me out about this blog is john stockton. This guy is gettin praised for passing the ball to karl malone. gettin praised for the most overrated stat in the history of basketball. The assist!!!!!! If u pass the ball to someone and they miss u don’t get the assist. That means the shooter has to hit the shot. That seems like u getting credit for someone else achievement. But that’s a cracker for ya, Gettin redit for someone else achievement. He in the hof for passing the ball to someone and they hit the shot. But you all say he’s a better guard than Kobe. Get the phuck outta here with that bull.

  116. Miami 11 says:

    T Dawg is right. Jordan was beautiful to watch. With his style and ability to dunk he elevated the game just as other past greats did. Kobe Bryant has never made me want to watch Basketball. I am waiting for Kobe to retire to see more imaginative players who do something you have never seen playing the game.

  117. raven the man says:

    I keep hearing kobe won because of Shaq. If that’s the case why didn’t he win with Penny.

  118. kevin says:

    last thing about my man jordan……….do you notice how NOONE called mj ‘old” even when he was “40” getting his shot s blocked and being crossed over by iverson????….kobe is “32”…..and the media pundits have been calling him ‘washed up” for the last “3” years!!!(he’s been to the finals the last “3” years)……………and the biased media/fans ignore the fact that mj NEVER won anything without pippen…..i don’t remember mj winning a playoff “series” without pippen!(pippen won a couple without him)……..KOBE has already won more playoff games than jordan did……b4 pippen AND after pippen—jordan either missed the playoffs OR got knocked out in the 1st round……..that bulls team won “55” WITHOUT jordan!!(think about that)……………..you say jordan never lost in the finals…TRUE……..but he lost in the playoffs—and there were years he didn’t even make the finals OR the 2nd round…….but your B-I-A-S will give him a pass because he had scrubs then…..where is the pass when it comes to bryant playing with scrubs from ’05-’07 and part of ’08?????……..gasol is a “good” player BUT nowhere near the player scottie pippen was—-he impacted BOTH ends and bailed out jordan on occasions…………so for all you who still are caught up in the “myths” of my man mj—-its time to come back to reality!!!……..KOBE is doing more with less………..jordan NEVER won with scrubs—his teams were STACKED!!……kobe has “1” good player(gasol) who pretty much plays on “1” end……..the rest of the team is decent to average!!!(bynum always hurt)………what this kid kobe is doing is INCREDIBLE!!!(most of the media are jordan worshippers and thus hype up kobe’s teammates like they’re great…….when in reality they are average players……they do this to protect mj’s legacy as the best ever and steal the shine away from kobe’s accomplishments)………..lakers are NOT a great team!!(they are a good team with a great player)……..those who have the jordan bias love to use/say what if……..so here is “1” for you——–IF kobe played on a team stacked like mj’s bulls……..he would be undefeated in the finals as well!!!lol!………KOBE is what makes the lakers contenders ………PERIOD!……….lakers would hover around .500 without him/////IF not for kobe’s 7/8 game winners last season……the lakers finish 8th OR even miss the playoffs in the west!!!!(think about that)…..IF the lakers were so STACKED…….kobe wouldn’t have to bail them out so much………remember game 5 against celtics????(NONE OF HIS GREAT TEAMMATES SHOWED UP)…….without kobe lakers don’t make it to game 7………without kobe’s 15 boards and 10pts in the 4th……lakers DON’T WIN TITLE!!………what kobe did this past season was incredible!!(media largely slept on what he did)……..jordan didn’t have to deal with all the bias that kobe does………i could care less about his personality or what he does off the court……ON THE COURT——-i love watching him MORE than i did watching #23 back in the day……………between jordan worshippers and kobe haters…..the arguments/bias/hate……captivate so many hours/conversations…..that i think MANY don’t realize that they are watching the BEST EVER now right b4 their eyes………..sadly, KOBE may never get his just due as the BEST…….as far as public opinion(hard to replace a legend)…….but ANY argument you can make for jordan—–i can make a better one for KOBE………..never thought i’d see a better player than jordan……..and now i can’t imagine a kid better than bryant……STAY TUNED!

  119. KOBE_ON_A_MISSION says:

    ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS “WE WILL SEE,FOR ALL THE KOBE HATERS”!!!!U CANT DENY WHATS REAL,AND KOBE’S THE REAL DEAL….HANDS DOWN.NO MATTER WHAT HE’S COMING FOR THE CROWN..I PROMISE!!!!JUST WATCH AND SEE AFTER THIS 3 PEAT.JORDAN WAS GREAT BUT ITS A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN AND IT’S NOT SHAQ!!!!REMEMBER I SAID IT.YA NUMBER 1 LAKER FAN

  120. Paul says:

    Kobe is not even the best Laker, Wilt, Majic, Shaq, Kobe is in the top 10 though. Kobe is a beast, but a lot of you guys have not seen a lick of Michael Jordan. Michael would eat the zone up, check his fg % its better than kobe’s he could shoot. 7 scoring titles says it all though on the offense of side who was better. Did you know michael jordan was also 3rd all time is steals. Not only was he better on Offense, but he was far more superior on defense. This comparison is not even close. Not to forget, Everyone knows that MJ would of had 8 titles he is 6 and 0. If it was all about titles Bill russell would be considered the GOAT but he is not.

  121. T Dawg says:

    Top 10 guards of all time:

    1) M Jordan
    2) J West
    3) J Stockton
    4) G Gervin
    5) P Maravich
    6) C Drexler
    7) G Payton
    8) R Rondo
    9) I Thomas
    10) K Bryant
    11) J Dumars

  122. yetbo says:

    haler even kobe got 20 rings but facts mj was too much to kobe that the reality dud

  123. Paul says:

    First of all, for all these people to say that the competition was weak in the 90’s you have got to be out ur mind. The competition in the late 80’s and 90’s was far better than it is now. First, I am going to name the teams from Kobe’s Era to Jordan’s Era. Then I am going to eliminate that argument that scottie pippen was the 2nd best player at the time because he was not. He might not even be in the top 10. Then I will describe how Jordan did more with less.
    For all you young people who do not know nothing about 80’s and 90’s basketball because all you do is hear Jordan ruled the 90’s and there was no competition, this is for you guys.
    80’s-90′ 90’s kobes era
    Celtics- we all know this team Sonics-Shawn Kemp-Gary payton Detroit
    76ers- hello Dr. J the second best Detroit-Isiah Thomas-bad boys Spurs
    Lakers-we all know this team Pacers-reggie miller-beast Heat
    Knicks-Patrick Ewing Celtics
    Jazz-best pf and best pg all time Cavs
    Hornets-Larry Johnson Majic
    Orlando-Shaq and Penny OKC
    Portland Utah
    Spurs David Robinson Suns
    Lakers
    Houston
    Suns
    Ok, now lets look at the competition carefully. In the 80’s those celtics and lakers teams had at least 4 players on each team who are in the top 50 all time. Now the 90’s the era with supposed less competition. The Sonics at the time Led by a Hall of Famer Shawn Kemp one of the most dominant at the PF and Gary Payton who was dominant back then. Almost like a Chris Paul. Do I really need to say anything about detroit. The Pacers where extremely good, and if it was not for Jordan, Reggie Miller would of had probably 1 or 2 titles. Same thing with the Knicks, and they are both top 100 players alltime check. The Jazz Karl Malone 1st or 2nd best PF ever right there with tim Duncan. John Stockton most steals i believe I might be wrong, most Assist top 3 pg all time. Charolette Hornets, Larry Johnson, top 10 pf alltime. Shaq and Penny were probably better than Shaq and Wade. Shaq top 3 center, Penny Hardaway was Real good b4 all of his injuries. Portland, clyde the glide late 80s early 90s just had a team like detroit had a few years back no dominant players but good all around. The Lakers still good. Houston, Hakeem top 5 center all time. The suns Charles Barkley and he was real good b4 he got fat. Now go over all those teams they all have top 100 players all time on them.
    Now lets look at kobe’s Era. Detroit they were a good team but no top 100 people. Please do not say Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, or Chancey Billups cause they are not. The Spurs, they have Duncan 1st or second all time pf, Manu he does not make the list, tony parker might. Heat with Wade and Shaq thats good competition. The Celtics KG makes the list, Ray Allen because his 3 point shot, Paul pierce maybe. Cavs Lebron James enough said. OKC just got good but ill throw them in there. Utah Deran Williams makes it one day as a top pg on that team but that is it. The Suns with Nash.

    Now compare the two, a couple of the kobe fans would say what about chris paul and the hornets. He does not consistantly make the playoffs. It is easy to see in the 90’s the competion level was for more superior. All the teams in the 90’s I named, have top100 or top 50 people on there team. If you disagree look those teams up, and realize how good some of those players are. For example, you will not here about deran williams in 20 years, but everyone knows how good he is. That is how Gary Payton was back then, and that is how people percieve the competition as less when it really wasn’t.

    Did you see some of the teams i just named. Good, because Scottie Pippen was not even in the top 10 in the 90’s. Do you want me to name people who were better. Isiah Thomas, Reggie Miller, Hakeem Olajawon or however u spell it, patrick ewing, John Stock, Karl Malone, Shaq, David Robinson, Majic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley, and there is probably more. Practicing against the best player everyday, turned Scottie Pippen to the defense of player he was. Yes, Jordan made him in a sense. As for Rodman, he was a rebounder and defense of player that is it. He was better on Detroit. He was basically Ben Wallace when he got to the bulls.

    As you can see by RedArmys Stat chart Michael is better than Kobe in that part, but he also had less. Who in the nba was better than Shaq at the time? nobody, No one NO ONE NO ONE. Kobe was robin and Shaq was Batman. Kobe is doing his thing now, and Pau is equal to Pippen. Did you see how many people I named better than pippen. It is about the same with Pau. Ron Artest is better overall than Rodman. Yes, I said it. He actually has an offense of game too. Rodman had one on detroit, but not the bulls. Bynum is the x-factor that makes the lakers team better. Jordan did more with less and had better stats and acheivements to prove it. kobe will also never score 40 pts at 40 years old either.

  124. yetbo says:

    all i can say mj the best of the the best of the best of the best………..so kobe funs accept the facts that kobe was down to mj
    im also a fun of kobe but mj was too much in basket ball………..
    mj was a genius….

  125. yetbo says:

    mj all the time

  126. ckaar says:

    have you ever wonder why kobe’s jersey number is 24? next to number 23?and his jersey number in team USA is 10 and jordan is 9?

  127. tommy09 says:

    i agree with mj but, kobe in his prime exactly what we call great or A Player in NBA but rather mj must not give a comment about that thing. its like disrespectful for kobe that kobe in his prime is top ten. i think kobe is different from mj, kobe made something for himself.

  128. ckaar says:

    Mj is still number one.

  129. Kobe only needs one more Ring to solidify his reign as the greatest. But for real, we cant say that MJ fought with some of the legends like bird, magic, sir charles, ewing and the others because MJ didn’t have Lebron, Wade, Anthony, the 3 kings of San Antonio, And the new big 3 of the Celts. For me, he is a real leader because he shows it with hardwork and being an example,

  130. jazzrelax says:

    Jordan could do it without Scottie or Phil, just ask the wizards.

  131. kevin says:

    remeber this my friends…..IF you’re going to hang a argument on stats……..then YOU need to start and end with WILT CHAMBERLAIN as the best ever NOT jordan……….so judging on purely stats you’re pretty much cutting off your nose to spite your face!!!…….bryant played 2nd fiddle for the 1st “8” years of his career!!(jordan was the man from day “1”…….so you can say he had a 8yr headstart as far as stats……..jordan’s stats would be considerably less IF he had to play with shaq………..jordan had the league in his pocket back then……that is why one of his famous shots he clearly pushes off with NO call!!!…….despite NOT being the “man” until his 9th year……..kobe’s #’s are incredible…….he’s broken some of mike’s records AND set records mj never touched…….barring major injury —he will surpass mj’s ring count……..KOBE is the ONLY superstar where people want to somehow “dock” his championships!!!!(are you going to dock magic/bird/russell/even jordan????)….they’re supporting casts were a LOT better than kobe has ever had!!!(even shaq era)……..so for all you breaking your necks with the stat machine…….look up wilt’s stats while you’re at it AND rethink your argument!!! KOBE=GOAT (you heard it here first!!lol!!)

  132. T Dawg says:

    Kobe’s stats are ok, nothing compared to Jordan/Bird/Magic

    Kobe has 1 MVP – that’s it! O-N-E MVP, GET IT?

    Kobe was lucky to make the playoffs after Shaq left when he had an average team.

    Kobe absolutely chocked game 7 of the Finals last year (4/18), it was truly PATHETIC, he slapped the ball against his hands late in the 4th Q and that should have cost the Lakers the championship. Giving the NBA Finals to MVP to Kobe, was a complete joke.

    Top 10: Olajuwon, Oscar Robertson, Jordan, Magic, Bird, K.A. Jabar, B. Russell, M. Malone, J Stockton…and in a little bit, we will add to the top 20 L..B.J., Rondo – that will be top 11…and other players in the top 20….Barkley, K Malone, Wilt Chamberlain, I Thomas, G. Payton, K. Garnett, J. Dumars, J West, E Baylor

  133. 3Peat,17,6 says:

    i’ve read a lil bit of everythin’: the bulls won 53 without jordan, the hand check rule, pau gasol was nobody be4 the lakers, zone defense, 6 finals MVP, shaq, 2 finals MVP, scottie pippen the late 80’s and 90’s had better players, the late 90’s and 2000’s had better players, kobe was traded to a better team, jordan was picked by a bad team,stats, kobe’s 81, supporting casts, their moves, jordan’s better defensively blah blah blah etc etc no matter what u wanna argue even u die hard MJ fans gotta admit that kobe is the shiznit…u might not wanna admit that he is better than jordan and u r probably right(i won’t even try cuz i was 2 young 2 witness jordan) but u still gotta admit that THE BLACK MAMBA is the next best thing…i mean have u seen this guy play???…the reason he is even IN the conversation is because he is absolutely amazin…i’m not gonna hate on MJ cuz the facts speak 4 themselves he is the greatest 2 ever play the game but if this is so then kobe is not top 10 he is TOP 2 he is number TWO!!!…i am aware of some of the stats and accomplishments of the many other great players 2 play the game but KOBE BRYANT is better than all those guys!!!…jordan is on crack 2 say top 10…jordan #1, Kobe#2 and i could give a damn who u put on the rest of the list…i wouldn’t say jordan feels threatened because kobe is 32 and is not goin 2 accomplish a lot more than he already has…what i mean by that is that kobe could win one or two more rings but realistically he is not gonna win more scoring titles, a defensive player of the yr ,another REGULAR season MVP and some of these other things jordan has accomplished that kobe has either not accomplished or not have accomplished as many times so jordan’s legacy is safe because of kobe’s age but he must have something on his mind 2 be sayin something so ridicolous…jordan knows kobe is number 2 he just doesn’t wanna admit it…

  134. Lestat says:

    Jordan and the Bulls won 6 championships (2 3-peats!!!). Kobe on the other hand already has 5. But just hold a minute. The first few championships that Lakers got was with Shaq. The first 2 rigs that Kobe got was because of Shaq. At that time, that was Shag’s team… UNDERSTAND?!?
    For me, Kobe only has 3 rings. He has a lot of things to prove to me and to the rest of the basketball universe. Im not a KObe hater or anything. But it seems that people nowadays are easy to put a player in the center of the basketball universe just because he won 2 rings for the last 2 years. Time will only tell where this guy ranks. History will just you where you rank. This is the only way to tell if you truly belong to the top 5.

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

      I respect what you say, but if thats the case what are you going to say when Miami win a champtionship??? Are you going to excuse Lebron James from this standard and say he won it all on his own when he GOT 2 ALLSTARS riding shotgun with him…..yeah answer me that!!!!

  135. KB24FOREVA says:

    Honestly, I think it’s smart of MJ not to say to everyone that Kobe is 2nd best behind him. That would cause alot of problems. Come on, he knows for a fact that Kobe is second best to him. He only has 5 rings…(about to be 6.) I hate how everyone keeps bringing up Shaq when they had the three-peat. He shouldn’t have even won those finals MVP’s!!! Kobe played much better. And for the dude that brought up Brandon Jennings in the same conversation as Kobe, you obviously don’t know what the crap your talking about bro. Kobe is playing with much harder opponents in this era than MJ did when he took over. All you haters out there don’t give Kobe enough credit. You guys are too busy jumping on the bandwagon for Boston, or Miami. KOBE>MJ, KOBE>LEBRON JAMES. LAKERS FOR LIFE!!!!!!

  136. aburido01 says:

    Ok, we may all know that Jordan is still the greatest of all time! believe it or not… If Mj is the basis of Greatness, then maybe Kobe is not to far away from him. MJ has 6 championship rings and Kobe got 5 as of now. Remember that the Lakers are in chase for another 3peat. Kobe could have more than 5 rings when he retire… I could put Kobe at No. 2 of the greatest of all time. Besides, Magic Johnson said that Kobe is “The Greatest Laker Ever” when he presents the 2010 Finals MVP trophy to Kobe… Did anyone remember it???

  137. kevin says:

    i’ve watched the nba since ’77(a year b4 kobe was born)…..i’ve watched a LOT of the greats/nba classisc/listened to a lot of players that played the game/listened to a lot of guys who covered the game………that along with the “eye” test makes me see KOBE as the best ever!!…….i’m not biased in any way……i’m a former playground legend from down south barely 5’8″……i loved mj…..BUT he was NOT the god the media portrays him as……..he had awesome talent WITH an awesome hype machine to boot…….he was given ALL the credit when his team was s-t-a-c-k-e-d!!!!…….he NEVER won a playoff series without scottie pippen(pippen won a couple without him)…….KOBE had a 3-peat with shaq…..and is on the verge of a 3-peat without shaq!(think about that)…….and last year he carried the lakers fighting off all sorts of injuries(on his shooting hand nonetheless)….and STILL won it all!!(who has done that??)……KOBE has never played on a team stacked like magic’s lakers OR mj’s bulls….and chances are he will outdo them BOTH!!……..i don’t get into marketing or who the fans love the most……..on pure b-ball skills/will/desire—– KOBE is the best baller i have ever seen!!…….a lot of remembering mj because of the marketing aspect is conjuring up a LOT of myths……..mj had a lot of 9/33 games……i saw them!………..jordan WAS my favorite player BUT this kid KOBE is better/more skilled…….just as driven(maybe a little more because of the “hate” thrown his way)……….i knew this kid was gonna be special when he dropped 55 on jordan’s wizards in lala land…..he wasn’t scared!!……jordan? so what?…….take this “55” with you into retirement !!!!(that was my attitude on the playground)…….KOBE=GOAT (i don’t care what jordan worshippers say)……lastly……don’t run from the TRUTH—-embrace it!(in the long run you’ll be a lot better off)

  138. hornets2011 says:

    look jordan clearly didnt say top 10 disrespectfully, he isnt trying to say kobes at 9 or 10 hes just giving him a position and i think its accurate to say that he is a top 10 ‘guard’. this is obviously including PG aswell and if you look at people like oscar robertson, magic, pistol pete, jerry west, stockton. theres enough there to keep kobe at 3 or 4 (at the moment) and if you want to bring up championships, look at cousy – ran an 11 championship offense against people like west – but whos to say in two years or so with another ring that we couldnt move him up…

  139. Tclarke says:

    ami i the only one who thinks scottie pippen was over rated,his numbers were boosted because of jordan,dont get me wrong he was good but there were so many high cliber players in that era.as far as far as this jordanvs kobe thing goes whocares its 2 differnt eras,its a different game now,but anything any of these players can do today,jordan done did it,i feel kobe had it way easier and i can only give him full credit for 2 because that was shaqs team when he was in la. im curious to see what kobe can do against the heat,if he can pull off a ring against them,than maybe we can have this discussion

  140. Tenki says:

    @Kilo:

    I never stated that Shaq HELPED Kobe win 3 championships when Diesel was in LA. Don’t turn things the other way around. Kobe was Shaq’s butt-wipes when he won 3 in LA. Know what I mean? Throw in Jordan in that same roster, replace Kobe, and MJ would’ve used Shaq as a butt-wipe. A BIG one.

  141. DaBull says:

    Michael Jordan= The GOAT! The only thing Kobe is better at than Jordan is his 3 point shooting.

    • DaBull says:

      Also Kobe already stated that Michael Jordan is The Greatest of All Time! LMAO, eat that Kobe fans. Kobe will never be better than Jordan!

  142. jm says:

    it’s simple..as it said mj has leadership and kobe is way to far in terms of leadership……

  143. Pisces says:

    Michael Jordan never lost in the Finals. Kobe had lost already 2 even with Shaq, Malone and Payton on his team. Please take a look also on their career averages, Michael is number one in points per game (30.1 per game) where is Kobe? How come you compared Michael to Kobe? Never near…

  144. Tagausig says:

    WTF!!! bboy willis are you crazy!!! what does “paying to go out of jail” prevents someone to be called one of the greatest guard? get a life… so ignorant comment

  145. NBA FAN says:

    All you new generation ballers do not have a clue what it was like playing in the 80s and 90s. If Kobe played during that period he wouldn’t have the same numbers he has gotton throughout his career due to the intense defence that was allowed back then. Just look at what MJ has achieved. He has 6 NBA rings kobe 5, NBA MVP 5 kobe 1, nba defensive player 1 kobe 0, allstar appearences 14 kobe 12, ppg regular season 30.1 kobe 25.3, ppg playoffs 33.4 kobe 25.5. With all the stats and the lesser competitive nature of basketball now due to overpriced players and lack of competition, I would have to say that jordan is a better player. Remember how many hall of famers jordan had to compete with during his time versus the quality that kobe has faced and is facing now.

  146. bien says:

    yes mj is the best of all time no doubt about that, but kobe is the best at the league right now, it’s not lebron, dwyane, dwight, melo or even durant…those players can still improve their game in time but right now kobe is simply the best and because of that, kobe is unarguably if not the best is one of the best that has ever played the game. he doesnt have to dethrone Michael Jordan to define his greatness..and besides, kobe still has a lot of time left for him in the league to prove the doubters wrong!!cmon come on Kobe MVP Bryant!!show them some stuff!!!

  147. gabriel says:

    I have to say there are great arguments for both sides. Growing up i was a huge Jordan fan. i am a fan of both players but right about now Jordan needs to keep his mouth closed there is no need to still try and make yourself look big. Kobe is a more gifted scorer; He takes and makes more difficult shots, more often which is not always a good thing when you have wide open teammates. As far as leadership and everything else besides pure scoring Jordan is better.
    As far as people making the argument that Jordan won with less talent and kobe has a better supporting cast: try putting any Bulls team up against a HEALTHY Boston Celtics team and I guarantee they DON’T WIN!! The league has changed.

  148. noy says:

    IT JUST SHOWS HOW DUMB PEOPLE CAN BE..STOP COMPARING KOBE TO JORDAN…JUST LOVE THE GAME..STOP HATTIN,BUT START LOVIN…ATLEAST GIVE KOBE THE CREDIT THAT HE DESERVES… WHY CANT YOU JUST APPRECIATE THE GAME…THE COMPARING IS OVER….STOP IT PLSS… AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL..LIKE CUZN DER…INVOLVING JENNINGS IN THE DISCUSSION…WHAT A DUMBASS…

  149. jem says:

    I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.

    -Kobe Bryant

  150. jef says:

    I dont know if anyone else has been thinking the same, but Cuzn Deer makes the most idiotic statements ever. I didnt want to speak up but really, he was begging to be contradicted. First of all, he put Brandon Jennings in the same breath as Kobe Bryant? Really? C’mon now. I dont even need to say anything to back Kobe up, the sentence is so ridiculous it makes my point for me. He also tried to use a PREseason Barcelona game in attempts to find fault in Kobe’s game. Then he goes on to say that Kobe would have trouble guarding Corey Maggette in the paint. Corey Who? Thats like going up to Kobe’s head and saying that one of his hairs are longer in his head. And please dont try to descredit Nba analyists such as David Aldridge who has been working in the league for years and trust me he knows what hes talking about. When he says its damn close, its damn close.

  151. david green says:

    didnt jordan draft kwame brown with a number one draft pick nuff said lets not ask him to jugde talent again

  152. Chris says:

    Ok people, for those of you who say that Kobe only won the first threepeat because of Shaq, I ask you this, has Shaq won another championship without the help of a superstar? No, he won in Miami with Dwyane Wade and that was all D-Wade! Shaq went to Phoenix and Cleveland and let’s be honest, he couldn’t change anything. Without Kobe Bryant, Shaq would never have won that first threepeat. I mean just look at the stats, in those three years, Kobe had better stats!!

  153. Chris says:

    Let’s be honest, Michael is the greatest, but Kobe is not far behind. Let’s not forget that Kobe already has 5 NBA Championships and he’s still got plenty of game left in him. In my opinion, I don’t think he’s reached his peak yet. His statistics speak for themselves. I mean, by the end of his career Kobe will more than likely overtake Jordan in all time scoring (Michael being on 32, 292 and Kobe on 25, 790, with a current career average of 25.3ppg, Kobe would surpass Michael in just under 3 NBA Regular Seasons). Michael until you give us a reason you don’t think the name Kobe Bryant doesn’t belong just behind your’s as one of the greatest players all time, people will keep talking. And they’re right, Kobe Bryant is currently the second greatest man to ever play the game, with a good chance of becoming number one by the end of his career!

  154. jimdags says:

    all you lakers fan are stupid…how could a imitator be the best of all time over the originator? and how could be a little statement from mj be an issue? what mj did was too respectful for other greats thats why he said kobe is on top 10…if mj said kobe was on top 5 or top 3 he is being disrespectful for the other greats before him… i think what mj said was smart and safe…this is why i hate lakers fans, to young to understand what is really all about…there are lots of great guards on NBA past and present but NEVER did mj SAID he was the greatest of all time and that is “CLASS”…he had too much respect for past greats like the jerry west,magic,bird etc……if kobe can achieve what mj accomplish like the dfensive player of the year,mvp and scoring title in one season then we have a debate,but until then shut up lakers fans…wake up and go to school…

    ps: did the three experts said kobe is the goat???lol

  155. j morean says:

    oh crap! forgot #8! oh well u get the point!

  156. jazzrelax says:

    Are the teams that Jordan faced during his championships better than the teams Kobe has faced during his? I don’t believe so, Todays Celtics team would of wiped the floor with the bulls.

  157. j morean says:

    1.kobe
    2.kobe
    3.kobe
    4.kobe
    5.kobe
    6.kobe
    7.kobe
    9.kobe
    10.mj(maybe, but most likely kobe)

  158. nba fan says:

    1.jordan
    2.magic
    3.kobe
    4.shaq
    5.kareem

  159. KB24FAN says:

    OK seriously, why is talk about other players coming into this? This isn’t even about where Kobe stands against MJ. It’s about where he’s at in the GOAT (greatest of all time) category. I’m a KB fan and I can say that he’s not better than MJ, YET. With around 2 to 3 GREAT seasons left in him, he MAY surpass MJ, but not yet.

    I’ve been following the NBA since the 90’s and I can say that Kobe right now ranks in the top 5 players of all time. Obviously, MJ is there, Wilt, Magic, Bird, and Kareem are there too. You could interchange one of those guys for Shaq as well– being that he was the most dominant center since time immemorial. Duncan and the rest are maybe in the top 15.

    Really, you’ve gotta give it to the guy. He adjusts to his game when injured, can score at will (anyone remember him drop 81?), and learn to stop being the arrogant player that he was (back in the 1st-round-knockout-seasons) and lead the team and welcome other greats like Pau Gasol. He also gave up his pride and welcomed Ron Artest and Matt Barnes!

  160. brian says:

    cuzin deer so funny really wats up with u n the bucks seriously that squad should not b in this discussion u really makin me laugh with that ish

  161. karibkween says:

    I imagine Larry Bird, Isaiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, and Hakeem Olajuwon would have a good laugh after reading some of these comments. Not to mention Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Pat Ewing, and Kevin Mchale along with other Celtic greats. Bird called MJ ‘God’ after he busted sixty-three on the Celtics in a playoff game. Magic and Thomas both confessed on the Arsenio Hall show that ‘Air’ was the greatest. Don’t get me wrong I like Kobe, I liked him even more before he became a rapist, but I always wonder how he would have handled those Pistons teams that Pippen couldn’t. Dumars, Saley, Laimbeer, Rodman etc. MJ even schooled Shaq after his full return from his hiatus, swept Shaq’s Magic right out of the Eastern Conference Playoffs, the year after Olajuwon schooled Shaq’s Magic in the Finals. Anyone consider that MJ played against Magic, Bird, Dream, and Thomas, the champions of his era; and the only thing that prevented him from winning a championship was the calibre of his team, and Baseball. Kobe was drafted to a good team, with way better pieces than MJ including Shaq who had made it to the Finals without him. If MJ had been drafted to the Lakers the year they drafted Kobe and signed Shaq, I’ll bet the Lakers would have long since passed the Celtics championship record.

  162. j morean says:

    oh yeah, and one outher thing. when did MJ ever drop 81 on anyone? never!

    • 80s90sBBall says:

      That just shows you how soft the NBA is nowadays. That also shows you how good those raptors were on defense and how much pride and self respect they lacked. If you’re open-minded watch what the defense back then looked like. So how old are you?

  163. Mak says:

    One person to blame for this… PHIL JACKSON

    I always felt Kobe success was just mainly handed to him. Having one of the most dominant centers with one of the best coaches the nba has ever seen… also not to mention playing for the L.A lakers. I mean what more can you ask for. He jacked Michael walk, talk, attitude on the court (even tho he’s a bigger baby on court than MJ was, but off court he’s a much cooler and better person than a prick MJ is), moves… every thing. Thats why I always preferred and respected A.I more. Came in the game with his own way and pioneered a lot of these young ball players. But did he have a dominant center, phil jackson as a coach, was he on the prolific Lakers? Nope

    Kobe had no choice but to get better when he was handed the keys to being the number 1 guy and he proved he’s top 10 Guards of all time by working hard. Top 10 in general, naw

  164. j morean says:

    kobe in the top 10? hes in the top 1!

  165. businessman2010 says:

    and one more thing for all you Kobe haters out there are probley just lebron fans hating as usual, yes we all know that Jordan is by far the greatest player to play the game, yes we know, better than kobe, the whole Miami heat team, melo. Etc. I still think kobe is a better shooter by a small inch only because Kobe doesn’t just make shots, he makes a lot of tough shots, while Jordan can shoot I still think hes didn’t make as tough of shots as Kobe still does to this day, I also think his stroke is a little smoother. But this is just my opinion, don’t take it to the heart., its not based on stats

  166. JELLY BEAN says:

    HELLO ALL , REMEMBER the NBA has been Recreative , by the like,s of THE BIGS and then handaed down to the dribblers , AKA,S point makeres .. all time players , when you talk M.J & kobe / you have to add to da mix before , mike spice things up .but cauce theres a lot of players that have been more produtive at THE NBA,like da/ doc J , dat has kelpt thind moving & as have MACIC . HAVE DONE . but if your talking best at there prospctive posotions , you cant not cont out da cuus of boss or da bushers/ thats where legenges or born , every one has there day in time and M.J had his ., so let the furture shine and move on . because before da smloke clears /KOBE WILL HAVE MORE RiNGS THEN M.J but the will allways be RUSELL da holds them ALL …..

  167. Daegan says:

    Okay. The fact that people are even considering not putting Kobe Bryant in the top 10 should he decide to just leave right now is just crazy. First off, I don’t care what anyone says about Shaq, if Kobe isn’t on the team, shaq doesn’t “lead” the Lakers to anything. Kareem Averaged more points than Magic when they were playing together and nobody disputes that Magic was the leader of the Lakers. Also the fact that Shaq went over the the Heat and won has nothing to do with the lack of Kobe’s contribution to his first three titles. People seem to forget the easy 28ppg player known as Dwayne Wade who just happened to be entering his prime when they won in 2006. Believe it or not, if Wade wasn’t on the team Shaq wouldn’t have 4 rings. Same thing for when he played on the Magic, no Penny no Finals.

    Kobe Bryant has 5 rings. As far as I’m concerned Kobe did just as much to get those first three as Shaq did. The fact that people still don’t want to give him credit for that is preposterous. Kobe is as close as anyone is going to get to mike in being the best all time. (Lebron ruined his chance when he sold out) Also people can argue numbers all they want about Michael. Sure over his career he averaged more points and his stats were tremendous don’t get me wrong but what people still don’t seem to understand is that the league when Michael played was MAJORLY lopsided position-wise. Michael played in the era where POST players were the dominant force in the league. Kobe plays where there is a more balance among all positions, therefore the competition was greater. So say whatever you want about the numbers but the fact of the matter is that the league that Jordan Dominated in, he was really one of the very slim few. That was an era of “throw-in-the-post” basketball. I mean if you think of the stars in this league now: Kobe, Durant, Lebron, Wade, Williams, Paul, Pierce, Rondo, Rose, Howard, Bosh…. I mean there’s not too many household names that are big-men. But if you look back at the stars of Jordan’s time: Ewing, Barkeley, Olajuwon, Malone, Duncan, Robinson, Reggie, Wilkins…it was a big-dominated league and to win the game you had to go through the post so that was the focus, Jordan changed the game because he really became one of the first to be the “default” by being a guard.

    Kobe isn’t Michael. Michael isn’t a “better Kobe” they’re two separate players. Whoever’s better, we’ll decide when all is said and done. the fact of the matter is that whatever you compare you have to take it subjectively because the game has significantly changed since Michael was ruling the basketball court. Also the fact of the matter is, sure Mike averaged like 40+ points a season for a few years and he has th best scoring avg all time…but that brought him no rings, he didn’t change the game…sure he put up a lot of points but he didn’t finish the job. Same argument goes for Kobe and Lebron…lebron has 2 consecutive MVPs but still hasn’t got a ring yet. Kobe averaged 35ppg but still couldn’t get his guys a ring. Basketball’s a team game. Kobe earned ALL of his rings EVERY BIT AS MUCH as Micheal earned his. Argue what you want about Kobe not changing the game…because he did. Sure Michael showed you don’t have to be a post player to dominate….but Kobe spent his career showing everyone that it doesn’t matter how many points you have the entire game, all that matters is making that last second shot.

    Kobe > Mike???? Mike > Kobe???? we got to wait til Kobe is done. But to even say that Kobe is not in the conversation as the GOAT is preposterous.

  168. jehm says:

    Kobe is a phenom player .. hes thebest right now .. but i always doubt if he can win a ring without a second banana .. after the shaq-quake .. lakers at his lead fell flat .. they only recovered when PAU came in .. jordan on the other hand manage to shape his destiny without looking for a shaq & pau type player .. he made all the player around him better .. maybe if pau will be traded .. and he still wins a ring .. i’ll change my mind but for now ill stick to this

  169. edaj says:

    72-10 win-loss record! 2 3-peat championship! 5-time nba season mvp! who is this guy? Guard, 6’6″ from north carolina, no. 23 Michael Jordan! The Best Player of all Time! Never compare him to others!

  170. Mario Navarro says:

    OK THIS IS A RESPONSE TO “”””REAL””””…”””””so basically jordan was dominating the nba with no one to challenge him pippen was on his team. pippen was the best peremeter defender in the nba.””””””<<<<< IS THIS GUY FOR REAL WRITING THIS CRAP???? I THINK YOU NEED TO STICK TO HOCKEY OR BASEBALL BUSY BECAUSE YOU DONT NOW WHAT THE HECK YOU TALKING ABOUT!! Basketball has not been RE-REvolutionaized since Jordan. Remember that Jordan came back to paly a few years ago for the Wizards and he dominated..as old as he was.. And yes I agree that technological advances prepare athletes and get them in better shape faster. Remember that there are by far less performance enhancing drugs in the 90's then now. But you know what…the Original Dream Team with Jordan, Magic, Robinson, and company woould put an ass whoopin on any of the post Dream Teams…If you place Jordan in his prime in todays game..he would dominate just as good and win Championships. Jordan in the 90's was like traveling to the future (2010) and bringing him back to th early 90's to dominate….please watch highlights..compare his speed…his quickness…jumping ability…defense….mental toughness..coaching ability…game winning shots…strength…consistency..scoring titles,,,,defensive titles..olympic medals…..mvp's….finals mvp….i mean come on dude…JORDAN HAS A DOCTRATE IN BASKETBALL.. DR. M. JORDAN, MD……GET IT RIGHT …kobe is number 2 and Lebron is far..still not top 10 players ever..another 5 years with a couple championships and he might get top 25…holla at yo boy M.

  171. ZULU says:

    Have to give you credit for stirring the
    who bad” pot. I’m from the era when Big O was the baddest in the land or was it Jerry West(?), or The Dipper(?). You can only be the one in your time in sports. Can you imagine how many fans have passed on thinking Ali was just a big mouth and couldn’t measure up to Joe Louis? Legends in sports can only carry the title in their performance years. I am looking forward to the Top Ten Sports Drinks list. We need these types of comparisons for barbershop chatter.

  172. Eric says:

    kobe is nobody… kobe is only top ten guards… he only belongs to TOP 50 all time! kobe bryant is a trying hard player..! he shoot the last minute shot because he wants to,, because hes a trying hard player trying to prove that hes good.. but never… MJ is the Greatest All Time! and kobe compares only as the no. 10 Guards only.. sori Kobe Fans your idol is far compare to MJ. Hes the greatest!

  173. William Wijaya says:

    Jordan had seen and played amongst the “stars” like Bird, Johnson, Stockton, I.Thomas, Olajuwon, and young players like Bryant, Rip, Iverson, O’neal, and etc. U name it.

    Those players in MJ top 10, had definitely contributed to the evolution of the game, the style, the spirit, the athleticism, aggressiveness, motivator, a leader.

    Kobe has got style and huge concentration and a leading scorer in the NBA, that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a leader and a motivator.

    Just ask MJ who are his basketball stars, and also ask Kobe whose are his.

    So there are no disrespect amigo, everyone has got their own perspective and you should respect that. Talk to the hand.

  174. MJ is the G.O.A.T says:

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_jordan/index.html The stats speak for themselves!!!! As to how Kobe is equal to MJ in talent is beyond me, comment was made by one of you guys but I’m to lazy to name the person figure it out for yourselves. Jordan played against half of the 50 greatest players of all time and won 6 championships so as to say that comment is pretty damn farfetched don’t your think? Playoffs is where the greatones make their name and look at Jordan’s stats that’s all I need to say!!! MJ G.O.A.T Period!!!!

  175. businessman2010 says:

    This is a real hard question to answer but let me start off by making a few things clear.
    1. Both Jordan and Kobe are both great players, obviously Jordan leading most other great players in the question of whose the best, but where ever you rank Kobe its hard to not to rank him without thinking a lot about MJ which gives Kobe at times a way lower rank then he should have( just think if there were no MJ, where would we rank Kobe than)
    2. For those who compare MJ leading the bulls to 6 rings while for Kobe’s first 3 shaq lead the team, you have to understand that when a great player are put on a team with another one player leads the team but that doesn’t mean that the other can’t do the same or even do better, its just means that other didn’t have the opportunity, had Phil Jackson said let’s run the offensive through Kobe like he does now instead of shaq. Think of nash who was alright on the mavs but was great on his on team with he suns. I think Kobe could of lead the lakes to those championships had he had the opportunity but he was put on a good team since he first came where Jordan was put on a wack team at first who took a while to win but only after the team was buildt around Jordan. Could Kobe have done the same thing, maybe.
    3. I know a lot of people say Kobe don’t win it alone , he has a great team. He does have a great team just like Jordan did. Some people like to be basis and say the lakes would had never won without Paul, but they never say could Jordan have won if it wasn’t for pippen. No one player wins it alone and that goes for anybody you can think of.
    With that being said I feel Kobe is right now in the top 10 greatest players of all time but we right at number 10, can that change, only time will tell.

  176. I’m amazed that the commenter’s have lost sight of the initial question (as pretentious as it may be), which is not whether Kobe was better than Jordan, but whether or not he has earned a place in the top 10 guards of all time. I’m glad to see Iverson’s name dropped in a 10 ten guard conversation, but you can’t have a conversation about guards and not mention Oscar Robertson, a man that almost averaged a triple double over his career (top 3 caliber, if not number 1 all time). Walt Frazier deserves to be in the conversation, Maravich is a definite top 10 talent. It’s never going to be a fair comparison when you base skill off of the over-inflated stats & wins of a marketable superstar with a all-star talented supporting cast and ignore the individual efforts and contributions of other stars that never had the help. Jordan won 6 with an all-star cast which included Scottie who was arguably one of the top 6 players in the NBA during the Jordan era (Barkley, Hakeem, Bird, young Shaq, Ewing). Kobe did nothing for his team when Shaq and the gang left until the Lakers got away with one of the most one-sided trades in the history of professional sports. Kobe had a 2 year window to show that he could be better than his contemporaries and the greats before him, and he couldn’t will his team to win a playoff series by himself, something that other greats have done (Iverson & Pippen). Kobe has two of the top 5 big men in a league full of athletic combo guard/forwards (2nd only to Dwight Howard). Iverson took his team to the Finals and got a game against a loaded Lakers team while supported by the skills of Tyrone Hill, Mutombo & crew. For the record, Kobe would have been an average player vs the ’92 dream team roster, and he would have been an above average player in the 80’s when Magic was playing (another 10 ten talent). It was a different game, players couldn’t get to the hole as easy then, there was no space on the court, check the film. But again contrary to a ridiculously popular belief, basketball didn’t start when Jordan laced up his sneaks, it had been going on long before he stepped on the court, and it definitely won’t end with Kobe & co.

  177. Youme says:

    No doubt at all MJ is a Numero uno, and I have to believe that Kobe is the number two…!!!

  178. jimdags says:

    all you lakers fan are moron…how could a imitator be the best of all time over the originator? and how could be a little statement from mj be an issue? what mj did was too respectful for other greats thats why he said kobe is on top 10…if mj said kobe was on top 5 or top 3 he is being disrespectful for the other greats before him… i think what mj said was smart and safe…this is why i hate lakers fans, to young to understand what is really all about…there are lots of great guards on NBA past and present but NEVER did mj SAID he was the greatest of all time and that is “CLASS”…he had too much respect for past greats like the jerry west,magic,bird etc……if kobe can achieve what mj accomplish like the dfensive player of the year,mvp and scoring title in one season then we have a debate,but until then shut up lakers fans…wake up and go to school…

    ps: did the three experts said kobe is the goat???lol

    2k11 is the best…even kobe drafted mj on his team “classic” lol

  179. oldwarrior says:

    This should end this right here and now. Kobe will not be better than MJ for one simple reason, he quit on his team. Yea a lot of you KB fans probably don’t even remember. Lakers where up on suns 3-1 in the first round a few years back. Suns come back and get it to 3-3. Game 7 second half, KB takes 1 SHOT the whole second half. His interview afterwards is like he was trying to get his teammates involved. Yea THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GUY THAT DIDN’T QUIT, NOT…….. He quit and everyone knew it even the announcers. But I guess this DUMB FOOL that wrote this that thinks MJ disrespected KB didn’t realized KB already did that when he quit on his team. Than before Pau even got there he ask to be TRADED (here is the link for the fools that don’t believe that http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927 ) because he couldn’t make his team better. Using the excuse that lakers were trying to rebuild. Huh if they have the best player ever (like some of you KB fans say) than it’s not rebuilding it’s retooling since he can make everyone better right? blahahaha…….. People rip James a lot about his tv spot, but at least he actually did make his team of scrubs better with 62 and 66 wins. Has KB even done that? Like really? When KB was by himself he couldn’t get out of the first round.

  180. Jflat says:

    Mick is still the greatest motivator to ever play the game and his statement proves it. We all know that is what Kobe says, he cares very much about what Jordan thinks about him. Jordan has always had the ability to get greater out of his teammates and now he is doing the same thing to Kobe. That is on reason s the why Kobe is not and maybe never will be the best player ever. But I will say this. If there was no Shaq and kobe was the main guy his entire career would we be having this conversation

  181. Andre W. says:

    on top of that, they still had phil jackson, yes kobe and micheal, greats of all time phil jackson because he coached the best!!!!

  182. Baller says:

    pweee.kobe’s just too lucky to be in the lakers cause the team has a lot of money to sustain his needs like the need for pau gasol.jordan was dratfed by an unestablished team then led them 13 years and winning 6 titles.Just imagine if pau gasol didnt came can kobe win those back to back titles??I dont think so.and kobe has a rape case jordan doesnt have 1:P

  183. For Sure says:

    For sure Kobe is better then Jordan.
    Kobe has more skill then jordan! On all physical capabilities humanly possible. Jordan has never has pro enough shots like Kobe. For example: Kobes shot over Wade. Everyone could see the bend in kobes body and yet he made the shot. So yea…

  184. jimdags says:

    all you lakers fan are moron…how could a imitator be the best of all time over the originator? and how could be a little statement from mj be an issue? what mj did was too respectful for other greats thats why he said kobe is on top 10…if mj said kobe was on top 5 or top 3 he is being disrespectful for the other greats before him… i think what mj said was smart and safe…this is why i hate lakers fans, to young to understand what is really all about…there are lots of great guards on NBA past and present but NEVER did mj SAID he was the greatest of all time and that is “CLASS”…he had too much respect for past greats like the jerry west,magic,bird etc……if kobe can achieve what mj accomplish like the dfensive player of the year,mvp and scoring title in one season then we have a debate,but until then shut up lakers fans…wake up and go to school…

    ps: did the three experts said kobe is the goat???lol

  185. Andre W. says:

    Kobe is kobe and Mike is mike thats the end of the story, they are great in their own right, so leave it alone till kobe retires.

  186. WONG says:

    wazzup with you guys??

    kobe said that jordan is the best player ever to play the game!!

    just think

    jordan and pippen vs kobe,gasol,artest,bynum?

    or

    jordan and gasol vs kobe pippen artest and fisher??

    in that case.. JORDAN will win with only one good teammate

    but kobe needs more than 2 or 3..

  187. WONG says:

    wazzup with you guys??

    kobe said that jordan is the best player ever to play the game!!

    just think

    jordan and pippen vs kobe,gasol,artest,bynum?

    or

    jordan and gasol vs kobe pippen artest and fisher??

    in that case.. JORDAN will win with only one good teammates

    but kobe needs more than 2 or 3..

  188. WingMan says:

    From my opinion, the most important difference is that M.J. wins respects and commend from OPPONENTS also

  189. ROOCHIES says:

    WE TALK ABOUT GUARDS NOT NBA PLAYERS I THINK KOBE IS NUMBER 2.. CLOSE TO JORDAN I THINK DA IS RIGHT.

  190. raven says:

    LeBron,Wade and Bnosh was no coincidence. that team was put together to try to stop Kobe from getting that 6th ring. It’s a shame how people are trying to keep jordan relevant.

    • 80s90sBBall says:

      its funny how you said this in one comment about MJ:

      “The man did a lot for the game. But, saying Kobe is nowhere close is absurd, To me, they are tic for tac. I give jordan the nod because he revolutionized the game. ”

      but you also said:

      “It’s a shame how people are trying to keep jordan relevant.”

      1. Make up your mind.

      2. If you don’t understand what MJ did for Basketball, you are too young or ignorant to ever understand.

  191. Kulaspiro says:

    In my own perception regarding JORDAN-KOBE thing! it’s not cool, simply because both of them are incomparable. We all know that MJ is an impecable player who ever played the game of basketball.But, keep in mind that KB24 is the hottest baller today and he is the closest player to Jordans career. However, as of the moment we don’t have to Agrue Who’s on the TOP between the two ACE PLAYERS because KB24 is not yet done!

  192. Patrick says:

    People I must admit skill wise Kobe is maybe second to Jordan but efficiency wise he is far down the chat. Lebron for many years straight has been far more efficient than Kobe and I you think I am lying look at the stats. I will open a can of worms here, the players in MJ time were better, ( Ewing, Hakeem, Barkley, Magic, Larry, David Robinson, Shaq in his prime, Scootie, Drexler ) this is why I say those guys were better look at the highlights it is clear those guys were superior in skills and they stats were better too. I will admit the atlethecism of todays plays are maybe better I am refering to speed and jumping ability but thats it. Look Penny was an awsome player who stats didn’t show but the highlights displayed his skills. Iverson in my opinion was better than Kobe for a long time until like 2003. The big men in Jordan time were gold Tim Duncan cannot match the likes of ( Ewing, Hakeem, D Robinson, Barkley or Shaq) in they prime. Don’t believe watch the highlights and it clear Ewing, Hakeem, D Robinson and Barkey were better skill players and they stats followed at a more competitive time. Lebron is my favorite player right now but skill wise players like Penny, Scottie, Grant Hill in his days, Magic, Bird, MJ and the list can go on were more skill than him.

  193. fortheloveofthegame says:

    With no disrespect to kobe, I agree with what MJ said. Kobe is a top ten guard, no question.. And I guess that is very high enough for Kobe. But to say that he is on the top 5 or even at no. 1 or 2? that is a statement i could hardly bare. Na ah.. I just don’t think so.. there were a whole lot of guards who had been great ever since, may it be a one or a two guard, and just for kobe to have his 5th ring, you’d instantly say that this guy is on the top 5? CRAP! fisher has got his 5th ring too.. does that indicate that they are players of same caliber? ofcourse not. You kept on speaking about credentials, maybe he is the most accomplished among the active players right now.. BUT FOR CHRIST’S SAKE, THERE ARE SOME BUNCH OF PLAYERS IN THE PAST WHO’S HAD BETTER ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAN THAT GUY you are rooting for. What has kobe that any others didn’t have, his sole MVP award? well, he might have had no rings, buy he’s got some pair of MVP’s, ya im talking about nash. Ok, but still he’s got his five rings, but when he got his first three, may I remind you, that this Kobe Bryant is just a sidekick to a guy who is known to be as SHAQ.. yeah yeah, THAT LAKERS TEAM WAS SHAQ’S TEAM WHEN HE WON HIS FIRST THREE RINGS. so please do not just compare this guy to MJ coz the Bulls was MJ’s team from the start till the end of his career. that’s a whole lot of difference… i have nothing against kobe, im after the one who wrote this article, you sure is a big kobe fun,but come on, think before you write any article, “There have been a lot of great guards to play the game. For me to sit here and say, ‘He should have said top five,’ that’s disrespectful to the other guards that I’ve watched.” so Sekou Smith, when all you know is write and lick sombody’s … , can you just please keep quiet instead..

  194. Shere Punjab says:

    mj 1a, kobe 1b – and for u morons talkin bout lebrick james u guys dont know bball

  195. raven says:

    nachum I guess rodman didn’t play on 3 of those championship teams

  196. Daryl says:

    I’ve watched Mike and Kobe at the prime of their careers and being a big time Kobe supporter…..he’s in the top 10. He had to work to gain a starting spot his 1st couple of years and once he got it……that was it! He has matured so much especially over the last 3 or 4 years, and you can’t argue the 5 ‘ships…..I’ve been watching the NBA for about 25 years when the game was really starting to evolve and I have to say that you could throw Kob in any era and he would hold his own…a true competitor and warrior….he’s definitely a throwback player….Top 10 in my book!

  197. Sean of Oz says:

    Been watching NBA since early 80s so can only comment since then. MJ is so far ahead of Kobe its not funny. KB is not even #1 of the current era! B’ball is a sport where stats pretty much do say everything and the killer in this comparison is that MJ, incredibly, averaged a FGP of 50% over his career whilst having to take some very tough shots as the go to man. MB is in a similar position and only has a FGP of 46% – YIBBIDA, YIBBIDA, THAT’S ALL FOLKS!!

  198. raven says:

    Bryce B. Why didn’t he lock down isiah from 87-90. Why didn’t he lock down Larry Bird or Magic in their prime sense he’s a great defender. shutting down who ever was the lakers, suns, seattle and utah sg isn’t amazing. hornacek,mcmillin,margle and whoever the lakers sg was isn’t amazing.

  199. Jin says:

    It will forever be impossible to say whether Michael or Kobe is the better basketball player, so its futile wasting time on arguments like these. one things for sure, though: in his era, michael jordan was more dominant and did far more things for the league than kobe did or will in his tenure.

  200. totnax says:

    sekou got a thing for kobe..

  201. bferrer says:

    I dont think this should be up for debate just yet!! I think Kobe should win another ring before in order to debate wether MJ or Kobe is better. Just look at MJ’s resume MVPs ,Scoring tittles, Championships, Finals MVPs, he retired twice and has the highest PPG in history. Imagine if MJ hadn’t retire in the 90’s, he probably could have won 8 straight championships!!! Go ahead and see if Kobe could achieve such a thing. Ohhh!! and remember that “hand checking” and real physical play was aloud in the 90’s.Do you think that Kobe could handle the pressure of a really rough team like the Pistons back then?. Kobe is one of the greatest of all time, no doubt, but not near Jordan.

  202. raven says:

    people say kobe stole jordan moves. I’m sure some 1 shot a fade away before jordan. I’m sure someone dunked before jordan and I’m sure some one hit fancy layups before jordan(george gervin). What makes these moves jordans moves. If e doesn’t shoot a jump shot, layup,or dunk how will he score. Basket ball has been around for along time. I can swear jordan came in 84-85. So, how are those his moves. You people say Jordan is the greatest ever, but when Kobe does thing similar he’s a punk. When u do something u want to be the best not average.

  203. GF says:

    lol. KOBE must and should be on the top 1 or 2 not just because of his skills and his basketball IQ but because of his determination to be with his team . I mean , we all know that Kobe is the key player , the marked man of coach Phil Jackson, and We know that Kobe knows that , that’s why Kobe is still playing even though of his injuries . Enduring those elements makes Kobe one of the best all time players in the History of NBA. Keeping the foundation of the Lakers team is the goal of Kobe Bryant ,and he knew that Keeping together as a Team or as a Family more or less they will win championships .

  204. Roaring Whale says:

    guys,Kobe only knows how to shoot and i really cant believe he made the all defensive 1st team in the last what3 years???y,because hes kobe bryant???..Jordan is an all around player and can shoot better than kobe..kobe needs to find his strokes before making his shots but jordan doesnt…and Jordan had 6 rings all by himself while kobe only had 2(3 are obviously from shaq not his)

  205. BryceB says:

    Kobe is very good and my favorite player of all time..but even i must say he’s not better the jordan. When kobe is done is will be in the top ten of all time…he is one of the greatest players of all time now but MJ is number one,Magic is number 2, and julius erving is number 3..Those three players changed the game forever…MJ was the best of his era and now Kobe is the best of his era. Sayin Kobe shoots better than JOrdan i disagree it’s about the same. The thing that separates Jordan and Kobe and makes MJ better is MJ ability to play lockdown defense. This man won MVP and Defensive MVP as a Guard…i don’t think Kobe will ever get defensive MVP that’s almost unheard of…MJ and Kobe is like Dan Marino and Peyton Manning just take you pick

    • bisdak says:

      I agree with you bryceb, kobe is still one of the best guards of all time but only after to the guys you mention. They are legends on their on era. If kobe wants to pass the first three you mention, he still have a lot to prove.

  206. aaron says:

    jordan has done more than kobe ever will. kobe is right up there by him but jordan has done so much there is no way that kobe will ever achieve as much.

  207. jazzrelax says:

    When all is said and done, Kobe will end up with 7 or 8 rings and finally people will recognize him as the best ever to play with Jordan a close second.

  208. matt says:

    People are bringing up a finished careers stats to an unfinished careers stats. I love both players, this is my complete un-biased opinion.

    However, to both players: you need to give some credit to Phil Jackson….

  209. raven says:

    It all comes down to Kobe isn’t riding MJ knuts like everyone else and the knut riders are mad. U respect a man for what he has done and that’s where it stops. Kobe works on his game so he can be the best he can be. He’s not suppose to want to be like Jordan but better. Stop getting mad at him because he’s his own man.

  210. nachum says:

    no way Kobe can be like mike . Kobe can be second only…look at the teams, mj played with no center i dont remember who he played with just pipen,…and look at la shak in is prime,gasol,odom,horry,and bynum … mj took a break to play baseball as well,he will have 8 NBA titles for sure.the leadership no match at all,but Kobe is second for sure.and that is huge!!!

  211. Mystic Ass says:

    MJ lead the Bulls with 6 championships and wouldve possibly won 8 straight if he didnt retired during 94 and 95 season.Kobe has five yes but it was Shaq who led the lakers to their 1st 3 peat..Kobe is probably one of the best and can be named the best if he survives MIAMI this year and win his own 3-peat.

  212. Jun says:

    Never been a Kobe fan here but honestly he’s really good (of course, no debate that MJ is the best of them all regardless of position). So i think he belongs to the top 5 among guards that ever played the game. No disrespect to MJ but top 10 is way too far…but probably he just made a ball-park estimate.

  213. jazzrelax says:

    For those that think Jordan did it all by himself. Name one player on the Lakers the past two years that is better than Scottie Pippen?

  214. ColdUpNorth says:

    Its very funny too read all these comments about whos the better of the two…it seems like people are always afraid to make the obvious points…in any sport its impossble to have a debate about two players who basically played in two seperate eras…Remember when Wilt Chamberlin scored 100 points in a game…of course not it was 60 years ago…If Wilt was today there was nothing about his game that would make defenders lose there cool, because unless he was playing against George Mikan, everyone else was a foot shorter than he was…Larry Bird was one of the greatest pure shooters to ever play,but if he was in the league today, he would be in the same class as Kyle Korver or Jason Kapono,honestly ask yourself what made him who he was…wasnt a defensive threat,you definetly ddnt have to worry about him exploding past you to the hole….Im not going to sit on here and say that guys like Chamberlin,Bird,Magic,Wilkins,Drexler or any other star from another era wouldnt even make it to the NBA today,but for anyone to think that they would be the same player they were is an absolute joke…there will always be freaks of nature who can just play no matter what,and Jordan is withour question one of those players…People will without question find me bananas,but if we include players who pla today Jordan himself MIGHT be in the top 5…The game has just changed so much even in the past decade like i said its basically impossible to compare and theres more than just rule changes to blame…Defense did not exist in basketball until the game stopped being about big ass centers and was geared more to the guard play…People want to see skill they dont want to see big ass lazy people who can just shoot(Larry Bird)…Kobe is the Greatest player of Our time,not all time…In 20 years we will be talking about somebody else and asking whos the greatest of all time…Blank or Kobe…with the exception of the old role players on certain teams, there are a handful of players who actually played in the league when Jordan did…That as very little to do with age…He was playing in the new millenium so its pretty clear how the league is different now….This is totally off topic too but i cant wait til the lakers smash the heat in the finals, if the Heat even make it…HEAT SUCK(with the exception of Wade)..Peace

  215. jay fox says:

    men,its just happen that jordan is the idol of kobe and phil was the coach of jordan before thats why the comparison still compromise the two…..mj and kobe….but let them be who they are….mj is the greatest on his era and kobe is now the greatest on his time,kobe has still years to prove and mj is now a legend….

    not to be bias but the level of defense during 9o’s is deffirent with the level of defense today….if jordan is still playing on this time…what do you think guys…with those super power gifted superstar that will defend on him do you think guys he can still play the level of his skill he once before during his time….i dont think so…..

    lets just cut this discussion short…..i think jordan is the greatest player of all time in the nba….but i will say that kobe is the greatest player of all time not only in the nba but aroud the globe…period…

  216. Wha? says:

    Until Kobe can dominate a game with the flu like Jordan did, you can’t honestly say Kobe is better or even close to better than MJ. It seems like the people that can have the audacity of saying Kobe is better than MJ haven’t seen Jordan play and just hate on anyone that isn’t a Laker.

  217. "My" opinion says:

    Is kobe top 10….of course he is….if Mj said he was top 3, would people be ok with it….Then all the Magic Fans, stockton fans, jerry west fans would be up in arms. He said Kobe was in the top 10 and he is.

    Do i think Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time. Yes because i grew up in that era, i saw him dominate the game like no one had, or at least no one i had seen. I haven’t seen kobe do that. But then again i never saw Bill Russell he won 11 titles….did he dominate the game like mike….i dont know his figures speak for themselves.

    For those who say michael had pippen, rodman etc….yeah and… No one player can win a title it takes a team, Mj needed Pippen, Kobe needed Gasol, Magic needed Kareem, Bird, needed parish.

    For those who said the competition is better now than it was then…..no its not its different. Some players are more athletic, there always going to get more athletic, thats the nature of sport, always trying to get fitter, stronger, faster. MJ’s competition in the 80’s and 90’s was the goldern era of the game, Magic, Bird, Domique, Barkley, Ewing, Drexler, Robinson, Olajawon, Drexler, Stockton, Malone, and it was a tougher game in those days, because the rules allowed it. Would Kobe do aswell…we will never know…who really cares, he tries to dominate the game in the current rules…and does so well. Mj dominated the rules as they were then. Will Lebron dominate the future, will kevin durant…who knows.

    Michael Jordan is the best basketball “I” have ever seen, he domiated the game like “I” have never seen, he took the world of basketball global like no one else had….he was the man, it was a privledge watching him. For those of you who didnt get the chance to see him in his prime, get some tapes and watch it was a spectacle.

    Acheviements are nice, MVP’s scoring titles, the obvious one is championships, by that rational bill russell is the best, but by that rational Robert Horry is better than MJ and Kobe…..hes won 7. To me michael was more than the sum of his parts, its was more than the MVP’s, more than the scoring titles, it the will to overcome, he took a mediocre team and made them the greatest of all time (again im sure some old celtics fans may disagree)..72-10, will someone beat that record one day….yep, will i tell them that the bulls are better….yep cause i saw them do it. Will i be right…..who knows. Michael Jordan trancended everyone around him, even the other greats, and that’s why he’s my choice.

    How do you compare across era’s. in 20 years time there will be another kid come along, and the same argument will take place, all those watching then, will say he is the greatest of all time, who’s MJ who’s kobe…..and who the hell is Bill russell.

    Everyone needs to take a step back. Michael Jordan is a legend, Kobe bryant will be a legend( i think legend comes when you retire), Yeah its fun to argue about who is the best, but some things you;ll never know. Who would win a fight out of Mike Tyson and Bruce Lee??? who knows.

    For me Mike is at number one, i reckon most people who saw him in his prime would agree, some people will say kobe, some Bill, some Magic, some some guy called Chamberlain…. and you know everone is entitled to their opinion, and all could make a succesfull argument.

    P.S….both bill russell and Kobe say that michael is the GOAT :)…..but then again……noone would ever call them self the greatest……unless you Muhammed Ali…ans thats a whole new ball game 🙂

  218. Anonymous says:

    Oh and LeBron is great, no doubt. But to be the greatest, you need to hold your nerves. Something LeBron really couldn’t do.

  219. rob23 says:

    Michael Jordan is STILL THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME EVER! kobe uhmmm he’s a good player, but he’s still not in the level of D’ Great Michael Jordan..Do you know why?because kobe is just immitating MJ..kobe immitates MJ’s every move, every shot, even immitating the emotions of MJ’s when it comes to game.. kobe DOESN’T HAVE ORIGINALITY. So stop comparing kobe to Michael Jordan.. Michael Jordan “His Airness” is the very definition of basketball..MJ is the GREATEST PLAYER FROM PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE…

  220. john michael says:

    definitely kobe is in the top 3 guards of all time… the question is will he be able to surpass mj? no disrespect to kobe, but no! sorry… here is why, when jordan came in to the league he was already MJ, unlike kobe he was nobody 7ppg? damn… it takes like 2-3 yrs for him to shine… and besides he’s with shaq at that time, and shaq was the most dominant center during those yrs when they were together… but i think lebron and wade can surpass mj… they came in to the league with the same level that jordan had…

  221. Duda Guerra says:

    Just this conversation proves that KB has his right next to MJ. If Kobe was number#10, we would have been discussing how better than Moses Malone he is.

  222. Anonymous says:

    First off, I want to say that I’m a huge fan of shaq. But he couldn’t get his rings without kobe or wade. Shaq played a major part in those 3 championships, but so did Kobe. As far as winning 6 rings goes, I think Kobe’s gonna have more by the time he’s done. Lakers have a stacked team and possibly the only team which wouldn’t have to double team anyone in Miami. They also have more chemistry than the heat and that’s a major factor during the play-offs. I’m not so sure about the Cs because although they made a surprise run in the play-offs last year and almost beat the lakers, they’re just another year older now. As far the ‘starting 5’ argument goes, the lakers didn’t have bynum due to injury in ’08.

    MJ was great in his time but the game is completely different now. You have players from all over the world coming in. He used to be a major trash-talker and going by the rules now, he’d be ejected from the game in no time. I think MJ saying Kobe was a ‘top 10 guard’ was a major understatement and an insult to the greatest of our era.

  223. spurs8550 says:

    and people who are saying that Jordan didn’t play against as many good players as Kobe you have to be retarted or just to young and ignorant to know….Bird, Magic, Isiah, Drexler, Hakeem, Malone, Stockon, Barkley, Reggie, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Payton, Wilkins, Dumars. The late 80’s into the early 90’s had some of the best competition and greatest players in league at once ever ……ever hear of the Dream Team?

  224. ldhl89 says:

    BIG DIFFERENCE

    Blind people just look at the rings
    Remember: Kobe has 5 rings, 3 of them was with shaq being the alpha dog and just 2 MVP finals and just 1 MVP season

    Michael Jordan: 6 rings, 6 MVP finals, 10 scoring titles, period

    No excuses

  225. spurs8550 says:

    anyone who puts Steve Nash as a top ten player of all time is an idiot and know nothing about the history of the NBA, he’s not even a top 10 guard…he was a ghost the first half of his career and emerged to win 2 MVP’s one of them which should have went to Kobe in his 81 point season…he also never won a championship or even made it to the finals…he is the most over rated player of all time and the fact that he got 2 MVP’s is a joke and embarrassment to the league

  226. fgsgjdhkf says:

    helll nah kobe is 1,2, or three. look at all his supporting casts in his teams. he had shaq,horry.fisher,pau gasol,artest,ariza,odom,and now blake matt barnes. the team is always satcked. dats why he wins champs.

  227. kd says:

    hahahahahah
    kobe better watch out for KD

  228. Tei says:

    My All-Time Guard (Shooting Guard)
    1. MJ
    2. Kobe
    3. Jerry West
    4. A.I.
    5. Drexler

  229. Carlos Hertenstein says:

    Hi Sekou, well, before anything sorry for my English, I’m from Brazil, but I read NBA.com every single day I can, so, I couldn’t ignore something like that post about Michael saying he could reach 100 in a game today if he wanted to, I read that and the only thing running trough my head was, “o my god, a can’t believe he said that”, I mean, Jordan was an unbelievable player, the greatness itself, but, come on, what a hell is he saying, my god, It’s just outrageous and unthinkable words, he played at his prime 20 or less years ago, the game of yesterday is obviously not the game of today, that could be easier on an aspect or harder in other, it’s madness to compare the both. Today’s NBA is all about talent like in the past, but about power and performance too, another rules, another players, another level, things evolved , there’s an evolution everywhere, inclusive in the basketball game, Jordan can’t see that? I think yes, he can’t, cause words like those are result of blindness, tell him to score 100 points on the Lakers, maybe the Celtics, or who knows, the Heat. I love M.J. since I started to watch NBA in 1992 (at 7 years old), I played professional basketball, I know how the game works and it’s not a comic book like Jordan is pretending to be, in other words for me he’s saying “hey Kobe, 81? Haha, what a joke, give me the ball and get out of my way”, come on, 81 points dude, Kobe did it, he didn’t say he could do that, he did it. Lebron is trying to do it I think, not a 60 yet, so why? He doesn’t want it no more? Come on guys, we should ignore such stupid talking, not giving wings for imagination. Sorry for anything guys, just a point of view, a like MJ but Kobe, well, what he does on the court speaks for himself.

  230. EDMON says:

    Are you kidding me? NOTHING CLOSE TO MJ EXCEPT MJ! Meaning to say this kid kobe is unworthy to be mention and to attach his name on THE GOAT, THE BLACK CAT AND HIS AIRNESS! So please…..give me a break, MJ is BASKETBALL and BASKETBALL is MJ!!! For the LOVE of the GAME, please stop this non-sense debate! MJ FOREVER, FOREVER MJ…..HE IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA OF BASKETBALL, HE IS THE CHOZEN ONE! THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! HAIL HIS AIRNESS, MICHAEL JEREMY JORDAN!

    • Ivan says:

      Hey Edmon, Why are you mentioning the goat?.. he was a local legend in the East Coast.. Its rare the people who know about the goat in the west coast.. MJ was a great basketball player, but you are making it seem like you will bow down to MJ and kiss his feet

    • Peter2010 says:

      Lebron is the CHOZEN ONE, officially. Haha….

  231. MJ is the king says:

    to all of you people who think that KB will ever be CONSIDERED as better than MJ is straight up uneducated. MJ leads KB in all the major staticts that matter, Titles, Finals MVP’s, MVP’s. Not to mention, Jordan was a much better all around passer. KB is a selfish player; he simply shoots. Michael would shoot and pass–not to mention MJ didnt have stars around him such as Pau, Artest, Odom, Bynum, and Derek Fisher who is one of the most clutch players to ever play the game of basketball. also, Michael led his team to the championships. In 2008, the year the Lakers lost to the Celtics in the finals, Kobe averaged 29 points a game. IN 2009, when the Lakers won, Kobe averaged 27. In 2010, Kobe averaged 25. Kobe has been declining but his team continues to be atop the league. Kobes rediculous team is the only reason he the lakers continue to win. In the 2010 Finals, game 7, KB went 6-24. 6-24!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! look back on any of MJ’s finals games and you will never see a single game nearly as bad as 6-24. And just to remind you, Shaq will go down as one of the most dominating basketball players of all time–far ahead of Scottie Pippen. Pau Gasol, future HOF, Ron Artest, Elite perimeter defender, much like Scottie Pippen. Kobe has been the man for 2 of his 5 titles. Jordan has been the man for all 6 of his and will remain untouched above the rest. Michael Jordan will go down in the anals of history as the finest basketball player to ever walk the planet.

  232. steve says:

    Wow! How soon people forget.

  233. Green7 says:

    I feel that Kobe and Jordan are both of equal talent. Currently Kobe will not be considered the greatest since Jordan has 6 titles, Olympic gold medals, defensive player of the year, and crazy endorsements. Jordan’s endorsements alone will carry his legacy further than Kobe’s because his name is still on clothing and other advertisement and he has been retired for years. Truthfully, if Kobe was marketed as much as Jordan and Lebron, he would deserve to own the title as the best ever. The only way Kobe could surpass Jordan is by winning 7 titles. Today, KOBE is th best in the league, no one closes better than him.

  234. Scumball says:

    For those who say MJ wouldnt be able to do what he used to do in todays game miss the part where he played in an awful wizards team at 38/39yrs and still avg over 20pts with a 55 pt game???

  235. Rajon Rondo says:

    who says there Kobe is facing tougher opponents in this era than jordan? last i checked Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler, Barkley were not softies

    • Jordan is overhyped says:

      Many more athletic and good players guard Kobe… Back in MJ’s era, of the few great players about 70% of them were powerforwards or centers which don’t even guard MJ. Kobe’s era is totally opposite… 70% Or so are guards or forwards that actually guard Kobe. Jordan fans you can say all you want about how modern players wouldn’t attack the rim in MJ’s era because back then they fouled harder. Just know this…: Sending some1 to the foul line for freethrows is the worst form of defense and MJ also did many illegal basketball moves that ref’s didn’t see or pretended not to see which eliminated a lot of the hand checking from the few teams that did it.

  236. Neiru says:

    It almost seems like many people have never watched MJ play. Kobe Bryant can’t hold MJ’s jock strap. Pippen was not the second best player in the league either..by far. The NBA was a tougher league as well. For Micheal Jordan to average 30 plus points per game in the late 80’s and 90’s…just imagine what he could do in today’s open and soft NBA. Kobe Bryant is a great guard..he should make the top 10..not top 5.

  237. kingjames23 says:

    @ red army is correct that is the best comment on here but i wouldn’t put in the top 5 guards all time because he’s not even the best player in the leauge today (LEBRON) but kobe’s first three rings were won by shaq and his last two he has been the best player but with out pau he wouldn’t win ! why do you think in the years 05-07 the lakers weren’t in contention for anything hardly a playoff spot ! kobe needs a dominant big man to win that’s why he really has no rings without a dominant big man ! why do yu think lebron went to miami with bosh and wade so he has a dominant big man and a great perimeter play in wade and he can lead the pack with he leadership and comitment ! but say kobe is better than his airness is absolutely absurd ! to take you to kobe’s 81 point game vs toronto and jordans 69 point game vs boston kobe did that on a horrible defensive team in the regular season , jordan did this to one of the best teams in the leauge in the playoffs so don’t comapre that game to kobe’s because MJ also had 18 rebounds that game ! let me throw leBron’s 52 ,11 and 9 game at MSG last year that was a great game by leborn he almost had a triple double while scoring 50 point’s that’s udderly ludacris !!!!!!! expect lebron’ name to be in the conversation in a couple years if not already

    • Ivan says:

      You mentioned that Kobe needs a big man to win a championship… Well Lebron needs Dwane Wade and Bosh.. He cant even lead a team to the finals.

    • Ivan says:

      You mentioned that Kobe needs a big man to win a championship??.. Well Lebron needs Wade and Bosh to keep his hopes alive.. We will see what happens this season.. Lebron James might have a warm glass of milk, but he is missing the cookies

    • lebaby james says:

      tell me what lebron can do other than driving to the basket and get fouls?
      he cant even make free throws
      he cant lead his team in the playoffs
      he cant shoot jumpers
      he cant even make post up moves (watch the heat practices)
      lebron is just big and athletic but he aint great!
      Lebron is in the east, he called up wade and bosh so he doesnt have to carry a team.
      Even USA basketball coaches dont like lebron
      USA basketball lost in 2006
      Kobe joined in 2008 they won gold

      AND plus dont mention lebrons name along kobe and jordan

  238. Callum MacDonald says:

    I am going to make this really simple Jordan was right.

    to be considered in that conversation and nominated as one of the greatest you have to have done great things outside of the box score.
    Jordan did this (clearly) he is the reason the game is played like it is today, a guard centred offence where the majoriy of the points come from the guards either in the fast break or jump-shots or driving to the hoop (even in teams like orlando that have the most athletic/dominant center playing in the league).

    kobe will never have the kind of impact that pistol pete, MJ or Kareem had in the league but has shown he is one of the most important and therefore greatest players to play the game on a more individual level he was part of the nba revival, he and a few other players kg shaq duncan nash lebron that have helped the league maintain its interest simply by being a sensational sports personality.

    its for that reason i think he is in the top ten NOT the top five i think there are at least 5 players that have left behind a legacy in the nba that amounted to more than magazine covers, shoes, posters or rings there is no doubt he is the best player of the decade in terms of stats and from the stand point of going toe to toe with him one on one.

    His legacy is that though he dominated a decade at the end of that he only has his rings his shoes and his jersey retired joran pistol pete kareem bird magic(in the order i feel is appropriate) when they retired left behind a legacy that meant more to their fans or coaches than the box score. and although kobe is a great player he is a great player playing the game that these guys left behind so he is not the second best of all time

    • Callum MacDonald says:

      its also worth considering that given how competitive both these players are jordan wouldnt be satisfied being the best in his time if kobe is head and shoulders above everyone else now jordan was head shoulders knees and toes above everyone who played then because he wanted to be

      so everyone who says oh but the league is much more competitive now
      for example

      ust one question…i wonder how would have Jordan paved his way to his greatness if he had these freaky little basterds trailing behind his ass:

      james
      durant
      wade
      anthony
      nash
      paul
      howard
      garnett (still there)
      nowitzki (still hot)
      duncan (oh hang on big man!)
      williams (getting there)
      rose (almost there)
      iverson (uhm, where is he anyways? lol)

      ….and a lot more!

      (no disrespect to the greats of the past like magic, bird, olajuwon, barkley, et al..but i bet ol’ mike’s gonna have a harder time with these bunch of today!)

      back to me jordan would have looked at the roster and drawn up a checklist no a HITLIST and each and every game made every one of them look pathetic kobe wouldn’ do that hed be happy at the end of the season to get an mvp

  239. rod blagojevich says:

    hold on hold on. Are you saying that Manu Ginobili and Tayshaun Prince would be top 3 in the 90’s?! did you forget about clyde drexler, charles barkley, hakeem “the dream” patrick ewing, shawn kemp, gary payton, stockton and malone?! U must be 10 years old then!! And Jordan is far and away better than everyone else. Kobe couldnt beat the Celtics in 08 when they were in their prime! So dont come at me telling that Jordan couldnt beat the Celtics, because there were 3 HOF’s in that team and he still torched them with 63 points!

  240. tom farrq says:

    Kobes not even close to MJ, why would he be. kobe won three of his rings playing with shaq. shaq was going to win those with or without kobe and why do yall choose to forget that kobe got blown out by 40 points to the celtics in the final game of the finals, do u think jordan would have let his team lose much less look stupid like kobe did? yall love some kobe, i dont know why, if he was as important as yall think he is why did shaq win all three finals MVP. Here is my list of top 5 ALL TIME PLAYERS. 1. Jordan 2. Russel 3. Bird 4. Magic 5. Shaq. yall should really watch basketball more.

  241. WHAT says:

    This is why women shouldn’t stick to what they know. Kobe a better shooter than Jordan?? Even with his 2 season stint with the Wizards (shooting in the 40-45% range) Jordan is STILL a better shooter than Kobe. While Kobe is one of the best closers to play the game (no doubt the best closer in today’s NBA), if it were Jordan in his prime and Kobe now; or even if it was Kobe before the knee problems and the broken/arthritic finger, I’d still have MJ take the last shot with the game on the line.

  242. jirohkanzaki says:

    Also, in the 80s and 90s the league was a big man’s league, Jabbar, Ewing, Olajuwon, Barkley, Mourning, etc…any team has to have a HOFer big man or 3 or 4 good big men (Trailblazers) to win… Jordan was still the best in a big man’s league and also was playing only with serviceable big men…

    Kobe is playing in an NBA catered for wing players…that’s why big men can get killed inside w/o any fouls called but wing players get fouled by touching their hair…

    • kobe bryant says:

      Jordan is better but kobe is better at some things that jordan wasnt, did u see jordan score 81. give kobe credit at least. I watched both wen jordan played and kobe, the competition now is more athletic but whoever put tim duncan ahead of kobe is on crack. kobe is number 2 shooting gaurd and kwame brown is def number 1 player of all time

      THIS YOU CANT DENY MJ AND KOBE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT WERE BEST ALL AROUND, NOT ONE PART OF THEIR GAME ARE THEY BAD AT THEY CAN DO IT ALL WHEN THE TEAM CANT AND THEREFORE MJ IS 1 AND KOBE IS 2

  243. june trebor says:

    kobe will have 7 ring at the end of his career and 1 more than jordan

  244. june trebor says:

    kobe is the best bulls 53 wins without jordan, lakers would only have 40 wins without kobe

  245. jirohkanzaki says:

    MJ played in an NBA when you would get stitches in your chin when you tried to get into the lane in the playoffs…
    Kobe is playing in a league when it’s a foul when you even breathe on a wing player trying to drive inside…

    Also, Kobe hijacked ALL of MJ’s moves…look it up in youtube everybody knows it except ignorant Kobe fans…

  246. Charles says:

    The only reason this is even a discussion is because Kobe has won five rings and he scored 81 points in a game. Yeah, Kobe is one of the top ten guards of all time, but Jordan was the greatest. And all it really takes to do that is to look at the numbers. Jordan is superior in practically everything. This playing in a team with another star guard as Pippen. Bryant plays with a star big man, who don’t take nearly as many shots as guards. Kobe’s 12 3 pointers came on a night where he attempted 18. Jordan’s record was 7, on a night he tried 12 times from downtown. You gotta look closely at these records. And I’m sorry to all laker fans who want him to be the greatest, stats never lie, and in this category, statistically, I think no one will ever be better than Michael Jordan. Oh, by the way, he still has one more ring.

  247. Eji Kidd says:

    This is a subjective issue, so its hard to determined which one is right on the key.
    1 thing for sure is, overall 23 is better than 24, but when 24 playing on his best day he is definitely better than 23. thats it

  248. LOL@MJ@ his fans says:

    MJ is clearly feeling threatened by Kobe.. He likes being regarded as number 1 but Kobe isn’t helping him with that. This isn’t the first time MJ said something ridiculous regarding Kobe or this era. When Kobe scored 81 vs the Raptors, he said “he wouldn’t have allowed it” What kind of respectful response is that? When MJ scored 69 or 63 we didn’t hear another great player saying they wouldn’t have allowed that. He also called out this era as weak because theres no handechking yet he shot only 42% in 2 years of the 2000 era (these 2 years weren’t even the peak of the 2000’s, 2003-04-current was the peak; when Mello, Wade,Lebron, etc joined the nba). MJ says his era is much more physical and I do agree it is but guess what? He actually averages more free throw attempts per game than Kobe and once Kobe retires his free throw attempts will be even less. I personally think considering what he’s been through, the tougher compertition now,etc that Kobe’s the best player of all time so far but without a question Mj should have at least said he’s number 2 or 3 for shooting guards.

  249. Paul breen says:

    thats right, Kobe did it by himself. I think Shaq was putting up pretty good numbers the first couple of rings, the lakers today without Kobe would still be favored to come out of the west. If MJ was not banished to minor league baseball for 2 years we would be talking Bill Russel numbers. 8 rings in a row. Do you really think Karl Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon would not dominate in todays NBA. The mail man would be the best power forward and Hakeem and Pau would be the best centers.
    Put D Wade, KD, LB, on todays lakers and they would win a couple of rings in no time.

  250. AnswerMe says:

    I agree with The Truth. I dont agree with his second paragrpah though. Iverson is top 10 guards of all time. But Jordan is better than Kobe. Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year and had about 9 socring titles. He has 6 rings with 6 Finals MVP’s. Kobe has 2 Finals MVP’s. Kobe has 2 scoring titles. Jordan has accomplished alot more than Kobe has. Both great players, but Jordan wins the battle.

  251. UGH says:

    You all need to stop with “if”‘s….what if this happened, what if that…what “is” is what we have so just deal with it!!!!…..Compare the stats, watch both players and when I say watch I mean 82 games of each season plus playoffs and when you do you will be able to distinguish who the best player is….And even when you do, half the world will disagree with you….Stop arguing, especially those of you who don’t know anything about basketball…Ugh

  252. Open Mind says:

    The fact that MJ is trying to belittle Kobe just goes to show that MJ is seriously threatened.

    • Ignorant. says:

      I’m sorry, but if you attempted to come across as “open-minded” with that name, you shouldn’t have said that MJ is “threatened” by kobe. Anybody that knows an adequate amount of basketball history would know that kobe is not even close to MJ’s accomplishments. The only reason that kobe is even perceived to be a top 10 player is because of the hordes of completely mindless and idiotic fanboy (and some bandwagon) Lakers fans. Our league today is WEAK. Kids these days just spout the most nonsensical things.

  253. lhan says:

    Being a die hard fan of MJ before until now..I would like to say to KOBE that he is the imitation of MJ.hehehe..so in short..MJ=KOBE..SO kobe and MJ do love each other..OK?…but as of now I LOVE Lebron James..

  254. GMedina says:

    I’ll remove kobe from the current lakers and put MJ instead any day! kobe is doing a good MJ impersonation but the real one will always be better.

  255. LuchoMarkez says:

    kobe es uno de los mejores jugadores de la historia de la NBA,
    MJ es EL MEJOR!
    saludos desde Arica, CHILE!

  256. The Philosopher says:

    Kobe is top 25 all time.

  257. Amplified says:

    @ALL: WILL YOU ALL PLEASE SHUT UP? WHAT YOU ARE ALL SAYING DOESN’T REALLY MATTER, MJ IS NUMBER 1. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. LET’S TALK ABOUT WHERE WILL KOBE BE AT THE LIST AFTER IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE.

  258. lilkedamaster says:

    This is getting out of hand. Kobe is interfering with Jordan’s legacy. You wanted to be like him, now you think you’re better? You killed MJ’s legacy, no wonder your’s is so tainted. Not cool, Kobe. You reap what you sow.

  259. Denzel says:

    It’s funny how people say he is now the second greatest Magic is considered the greatest, but what separates the second greatest player ever in Magic Johnson from Kobe Bryant ?

    – 5 championships, and counting for Kobe who is tied with Magic
    – All time leader in points for the Los Angeles Lakers
    – 81 points in a single game
    – Often considered along with Michael Jordan one of the two more dynamic, versatile players of all time..

    1) Michael Jordan
    2) Magic Johnson
    3) Larry Bird
    4) Kobe Bryant – seriously, we just aren’t acknowledging his greatness like we should be.
    5) Kareem Abdul Jabbar

    • Peter2010 says:

      Jordan sucks. He traded rip Hamilton for nothing. He picked K.Brown and he did not bring Wizards to playoff and he got fired. and he traded Chandeler again for nothing (but money) and he sign K. Broww again……………………..
      If he is so competitive why he did all that?????????????????????? And his HOF speech sucks, too.

  260. Goto Guy says:

    Jordan is the Greatest ever. No player has yet to disprove this fact.
    Kobe is great, there’s no denying this fact as well. Top 10? that’s a fair assessment, but to say he’ll be in the lower bracet of those ten players just doesn’t seem justifying.

    Yes! MJ lead all the six championship teams of Chicago and Kobe was the leader in only two of his five. Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Paxon, Kerr, Cartwright, Horace Grant, Armstrong and Kukoc. That’s an unbelievable cast to have for your championship runs. Kobe on the other hand had Gasol, Fisher, Artest, Ariza, Bynum, Vujajic and Farmar (I’m referring only to the last two championships he won, 09 and 10).

    Then some would argue that MJ played in a rougher time where people are hammered when anyone ventured into the point. Lets get to now as well that today’s game allowed zone defenses that can almost makes certain that someone will be waiting for you in the middle of the paint. The former rules allowed more isolation plays which benefited pure scorers. Imagine how good can today’s players be if they can isolate scorers on one side of the floor and put all other players on the other side.

    The only reason Jordan was able to get all that talent around him was because of good luck with handling salary, can you imagine in today’s game that a player like Kobe or Lebron or Durant will accept half of the salary of the highest paid player in the league, and that player is a role player? That’s what happened during the 90’s most players opted for long term contracts over higher pays thinking that the limit will be lowered.

    All being said, Jordan is still the best but to say he did it all by himself is completely ridiculous. Kobe achieved his success through limited talent except for Gasol and Shaq.

  261. Gamble says:

    You have got to be kidding me!!!

    Kobe is not even in the same class as Michael Jordan, he should be spit shinning a pair of Air Jordan’s and happy to do it. Everyday of the week from 87 to 95 you would turn on the local sports channel (in any city in north america) and there would be an MJ highlight on the top ten, when was the last time out side of LA you saw a Kobe highlight? Don’t get me wrong I do think that Kobe is one of the best 3 players in the league right now, and could possible be in the top ten of all time shooting guards. He can not lead a team like michael or take over a game or whole league over like Mike did for years!!!

    • Jordan is overhyped says:

      Dude from 1987-1990 MJ’s team couldn’t win in the playoffs and all we saw from him and his bulls was his great individual performances just like we didwith Kobe in 06 and 07. MJ was 26-29 years old in his first 3 peat. Kobe started at age 30 being the true leader of his team… MJ also played in the 80’s and 90’s era in which there was not very much talent, particularily the 90’s. MJ did not win a single championship untill Larry Bird, Magic, etc were out of their prime and or retired. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and others all were interviewed about if their prime team would win or Jordans Bulls team for the championship and they all said their team would have. MJ and his accomplishments just came in a easier era than now days! MJ wasn’t even double teamed during the 98 finals vs the Jazz with the game on the line… Kobe would never be allowed this opportunity! That alone shows Kobe’s more feared than MJ.

  262. Omarisgay says:

    meh jordan and kobe both suck

  263. nbacom says:

    whats the big deal about the quote of mj? he clearly said he’s going to be in the conversation of the greatest players of all-time. thats a big honor by a guy who made this sport popular like nobody did before him. he said that kobe belongs to the top 10 guards. like kobe said in his answer to mj’s interview, that could mean nr1, nr2, nr3 etc.

    and to compare two players who didn’t play against each other when they were both in their prime is always difficult. when they played in the late 90’s, kobe was young and still learning the game. when they faced each other in 01-03, jordan was old. michael dominated the nba in his era, so did/does kobe in his.

    so if they would play both in their prime, i’d definitely say that michael would win the battle against kobe. not just because jordan had better stats then kobe. jordan was way more creative, everybody knows that bryant stole his moves from mj. jordan was the better athlete than kobe. both are smart bball-players, but mj has imo also an edge regarding to the basketball iq. jordan was more powerful. he shot the ball more efficient. mj was a better lock down defender (earned defensive player of the year title once). the only edge that kobe has is his 3 point shot. in the clutch, i’d say they are equally amazing.

    don’t get me wrong, of course kobe is a fantastic player. he’ll be in the hall of fame. he’ll be remembered as one of the best players ever but to put him the same breath as jordan is quite silly.

  264. RocketFan525 says:

    I can definitely see Kobe being in the top ten of all time GUARDs. But top ten overall? There’s no way in hell. You have too many good players from the forward and center position to even stick him in the top 20, much less top ten. Guys like Russel, Chamberlain, Bird, Johnson, Abdul-Jabbar, and Olajuwon all deserve the nod over Bryant. I’m sure I’m missing a few more.

    • LOL@MJ@ his fans says:

      If you do things logically as far as rating your top 10 greatest players of all time then Kobe should finish in the top 7. Assuming you draft 1 player from each position for the goat and you chose MJ for shooting guard in the first round wouldn’t you choose Kobe the next round? You can’t say theres more good centers or powerforwards deserving of a number 10 spot over Kobe because first of all how can you even remotely compare the players? They’re totally different positions. Secondly, if there’s more dominant PF’S/Centers wouldn’t that suggest its a easier position to play?

  265. Bob says:

    I think Kobe is neck and neck with Jordan.

  266. ballfan says:

    oh i forgot something, as great as MJ “was”., he is by far the most OVERRATED player ever in any sports.
    I know some of you who doesn’t have a brain or doesn’t know what OVERRATED means are going to understand this. you all don’t have too. One can be good, great and overrated at the same ( e.i. MJ, LeBron,…) it means rate or estimate “too” high (too being the key word).

  267. perry baggett says:

    kobe is the second best two guard that this league has seen in order for kobe to be mention in conversation with jordan he would need to win atlease 8 championship and be the leader of atlease 4 of them beacuse we all know shaq was the leader/ main player of the first 3 rings

  268. MJ_is_the_GREATEST_NBA_PLAYER_OF_ALL_TIME! says:

    People can easily forget to what MJ did in his 15 years career.

  269. bboy willis says:

    Kobe hes good hes really good but anybody who has to pay money to get out of jail doesn’t deserve to be called one of the best point guards to ever play the game.

    • Cuzn Deer says:

      When Jordan played no one questioned who was the greatest during that era. Now people are not sure if it’s Wade, Lebron or Durant. Jordan was so good everyone else looked so bad.

  270. leobrazil says:

    for me kobe is not one of the top ten player, but his is at least number 3. his is my number 1 idol, and i’m brazilian, i play soccer tryng to be a professional. he’s so expressive that for me is more important than ronaldinho gaucho, del piero, totti that are for me the best soccer players. i like football too. well, i didnt watch a lot of basketball players, but kobe is incomparable. in the the end of his carrer he will win at least 2 more titles, and will have more than MJ, if he do that he can be even considered better than MJ. this year there isnt miami, there is kobe, there is lakers, and one more title. GO KOBE!

  271. MJ_is_the_GREATEST_NBA_PLAYER_OF_ALL_TIME! says:

    Jordan was right!.. Kobe is a Top 10 guard but not among the 10 best to ever played the game.

  272. There are so many good guards in this league and then there are the freaks, the greats that stand out in our minds. In Micheal’s mind there is only one, he’s like the highlander. Now for him to mention that he has a list of top ten guards in his head and Kobe is on it is truly just a compliment to Bryant as a player and a compliment to his maturation process as a guard. The rest of this conversation is just media fodder for the Lebron lovers, kobe haters and Jordan detractors. I wanna know if Kevin Johnson is on that list.

  273. ballfan says:

    I was a die hard MJ/Bulls fan. But to say that Kobe is in top 10 guards or top 10 all time greats is foolish. MJ as great as you are, Kobe is right up there with you, he is second to you and he is still playing ( 3-5 more seasons probably), who knows he may catch you or surpass you. Sit tight and don’t disrespect him, he is still playing ( you’re retired) and you know how seriously he takes these kinds of comments. Some poeple who only watch MJ highlights on youtube and heard about the 72 wins think he never missed a shot, a f/t or loose a game. If you don’t know that let me tell you that he did, otherwise the bulls will have 82 wins every seasons MJ played with them. Wait a couple of years when Kobe retired all the kids who never sa him play will think the same ( that he never missed a clucth shot)

  274. zurdok316 says:

    MICHEL JORDAN IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME

    Kobe scored 81 points and JORDAN AND THOSE THAT DO NOT
    ONLY 81 POINTS IS A HIGH NUMBER
    JORDAN beat the best players in their TIMES
    DREXLER, Magic, Barkley, PAYTON AND KEMP MALONE, STOCKTON

    KOBE AND A PIERCE JAJAJA, A MILLER, A IVERSON, JAJAJA

    JORDAN THE BEST OF ALL TIME
    THE SECOND PIPP.

  275. vanmitra says:

    MJ was MJ, and probably the best player all time.
    But let’s face it…
    He just hates Kobe.
    Kobe is THE best player nowadays (with due respect to LeBron, Wade and a couple others, but Kobe is THE MAN today).
    As a guard, probably, only Jordan, Magic and Oscar Robertson could be considered better than him.
    No one else.

    Which means, that the words of Jordan are motivated mainly for emotion and not by any logical thought.
    The usual on brainless MJ.

    Great player… lousy person…
    as usual, as he showed in all his career.

  276. jologz says:

    oh c’mon Mike you can have better class than that. no need for some subliminal trash talk after all those glory years of yours.

    you’ve done it all..ur the GOAT, now move on now .or should i say move along…we all love ya…your fanboys love ya to death..they dig up all the old files just to relive your legacy…you reinvented the face of basketball, as is has been said…geesh you even made it to that NBA 2k11 game to prop up its sales..that’s how good. you truly are…

    but we all just gotta move on…

    naming kobe as top 10 guard of all time? LAME…

    you know he’s the closest thing to walk this planet to take over the throne you’ve left empty so long ago…so many resist..but that’s the plain fact. you two were never, and shall never be the same…but you both have your fair share of greatness worth utmost mention in basketball history books

    GIVE THE GUY THE TRUE CREDIT HE DESERVES….besides he’s showing better class with his choice of words as he responded to your quote…kinda ironic that you as number one didn’t give him the credit he is due…

    just my opinion 🙂

  277. gabe says:

    kobe is such a copy cat.
    all jordans moves he trys to do and when jordan would win the nba finals. kobe would copy MJs celebration.

  278. THEREALIST says:

    HELL NO MJ! KOBE BEAN BRYANT WILL BE PROCLAIM THE GREATEST OF ALTIME WHEN HE RETIRES MARK MY WORDS!

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  280. D-Will says:

    Sorry MJ but Kobe is one of the best guard of all time man and he will win another championship ring this year !

    Hey , never mind what haters say ignore ’em ’til they fade away. – T.I.

    – L.A. Lakers for life !

  281. JUMPA DUMBASS says:

    LMFAO!!! u dimwit.. kobe scored 81 points coz he’s a “ball hug..” he doesn’t know how to share the ball to his teammates.. u even placed LBJ at number 5??!! LBJ is way better than kobe if we’re talking about all-around performance.. LBJ can do triple doubles in every game if he wants to.. can kobe do that? nah!! i don’t think so.. he can’t even rebound and assist that much compared to MJ and LBJ.. if they’d play one on one –> MJ > LBJ > KB.. Let’s put it this way.. if LBJ was in lakers last year and Kobe’s in cleveland, for sure LBJ’s gonna win a championship.. 100%..

    kobe can be in the top 10 guards/players of all time but he can’t beat MJ in the number 1 position.. No one up to this point can dethrone His Airness..

  282. nonyabiz says:

    one thing that jordan did was he did not ask for trade when his team cannot surpass the celts and the piston mj made the team that drafted him champs while kobe ask for trade to a better market top that kobe

  283. dorifto says:

    I see a lot of KB haters here. MJ is number one granted, but KB is nearing him. I think that a lot here who posts against KB is just plain bitter about him because “their” teams got whooped good by KB. Let’s just wait and see when KB retires, then let;s open the discussion again, because it’s so wrong when we compare MJ to KB knowing that the other hasn’t retired yet. again I see KB haters here not MJ supporters. your just using MJ to hit on KB because your team got whooped by KB’s lakers!.

  284. mikeybwoy says:

    Alot of the people in here are really sad. Jordan said top ten of all time, and kobe is top ten of all time as a guard. What more do you guys want? also, for those saying Kobe is ahead of MJ, I have 2 words for you…hand checking. The defense back then was waaaayyy tougher to deal with than todays game no question about it. I also seen an argument about MJ having the 2nd best player in the league on his team…and you know what? He still got MVP year after year lol.

  285. vinzk9 says:

    kobe was never been great, he just had shaq just to win a title and then odom and then gasol and then artest. he is just with the most popular team and have a high market value. The league just allow those trade because lakers give a lot of income by thier fans. if kobe will play with the other team he will never win any title. I believe that steve nash is better than kobe because he makes his teammates better even the phoenix doesn’t have marion bell and diaw steve nash manage to be in the west conf finals. common guy open your eyes.

  286. Richness says:

    ok stop it… kobe is not better than mj. if mj had the “no-handchecking” rule in the 90’s he’d be averaging 45ppg easy. i’m a huge kobe fan, i think he’s the best player still playing, but i don’t think he’s better than mj

  287. chills says:

    to all u kobe lovers, kobe didnt even lead the 1st 3 championship. and last years finals? yeah he lead it as seniority but not in play, pau gasol did all the hard work.
    and all u losers saying jordan had alot of help coz of pippen? idjots!… pippen was great but he was the one asking for MJ to return. and lebron? being number1? heres a guy that went to miami for help to win a championship? how can he be number 1 when he cant win a damn ring!.yes, kobe number one now, but not number 2 in history, top 10 definitely.right now however, its kobe wade then lebron.

  288. Yuvraj Singh says:

    KOBE IS THE GREATEST PLAYER TO PLAY THE GAME OF BASKETBALL WITH MICHAEL JORDAN. CLUTHEST PREFORMER IN NBA HISTORY. PLAYING EVERY GAME HE COULD. HE IS ON THE TOP 3 TO PLAY THE GAME OF BASKETBALL EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  289. Tommy Miranda says:

    MJ
    LJ
    KB

  290. jannik tuffel says:

    how is Kobe as good a closer as Michael Jordan?that is just a ludicrous statement.has nobody been watching the last finals.sure Kobe is one of the greatest and he does a lot of things to make his team win but lets not forget that he has by far the greatest team in the league which makes his job a lot easier.
    has Kobe even scored in the last 3min of any of the final’s games?if so,not too often.everybody says how great of a closer he is.well we haven’t even really seen him win games until this season.Michael Jordan won games on a regular basis and he definitely did not choke in the finals when it got close.
    Kobe is great but to even try to put him remotely close to Jordan’s closing abilities is a joke.He is yet to prove that he can close when it really matters.
    Just look at all the game winning shots for the Laker’s in the last play offs.Kobe had none and he wasn’t even involved in the creation of those shots.
    He deserves credit for what he has done but lets not get carried away.Of course we all want to be part of history and see the next Michael Jordan and of course it’s easier to sell the league with someone as great as Jordan,only problem is,as good as he is, Kobe is just not that person

  291. pH13 says:

    If Jordan gave the “carrot” to Kobe right now, then what would Kobe have to play for now?

  292. MJ FAN 23 says:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michael+jordan+layup+against+lakers&aq=1

    ^id like to see kobe do that

    ^or that

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kobe+buzzer+beater&aq=f

    ^id like to see MJ do that, oh wait look at this!!

    MJ is the best no matter what, im acctually surprised to see kobe’s name in the tomp ten of all time, i meantheres michael, magic, bill russell, wilt chamberlain (and for those who think he isnt that good, he has over 50 seperate records) julius erving, larry bird, kareem abdul-jabbar, clyde drexler, i mean they may not look as good as kobe, but they pioneered the game, even paul arizin, not very well know, yeah , HE INVENTED THE JUMP SHOT. before people shot a set shot (for those who dont know, than means they dont jusp or a regular shot) go ahead and go outside try and shoot like that then a jump shot, and just see which is more effective. now you say michael only beat magic the only player arguably better than him while magic had like 2 years left in his career, well he retired cuz he has AIDS, hes not old, just contagious, and michael beat hin IN THE FINALS. who ever said the bulls were a legit franchise before michael showed up, no one, he made the buls franchise from the ground up, while kkobe had the lakers a well established franchise. MJ scored 69 points IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON AGAINST THE BOSTON CELTICS AND LARRY BIRD, kobe did 81 in his prime and against the raptors, a team with no franchise, i kow i live in toronto. michael had much more leadership and wayyy more hops just to boost than kobe, he dominates kobe in almost every aspect of the game, an just look at this, he wins three titles, retires 2 years, comes back, and wins 3 more, just like that, 6 which is the 2 most in NBA history to 11 by bill russell. yeah he had scottie pippen, and dennis rodman, but he didnt go to them, they came to him, to win, maybe like miami now, but they didnt leave teams high and dry like bosh and LBJ. then you say that MJ was in an era with no competition, THATS BECAUSE NO ONE CAN COMPETE WITH MJ just look at the pic in the folowing website.

    yeah thats right he stopped legends from wining titles 6 titles 6-0 at the finals, and even with the wizards, hes still breaking ankles

    and to be clear i dont hate KOBE he is the best player right now, but just not even schatching the surface on michaels LEGACY, now here are some MJ vids

  293. Bt says:

    Without Paul playing for LA, how many games did LA win under the ladership of KB?
    That could be measured!!

  294. dave1 says:

    michael 1 kobe 2….that’s about it. i could commend other players but the facts are the facts , kobe is probably better than mike and in 4 more years he will have more rings.

  295. Ivan Marquez says:

    Well i think it’s the firts time i make a coment here but i have to do it, cause i’m one of the biggest fans of MJ but also of KB i’m agree that both have the natural talent of playing the ball and winning games and leading their team to championships but what i can say that’s is clear like alrige said in the interview is that KB is the closer player to be as good like MJ but something that KB doesn’t have and won’t have never is the capacity of make the players arround him better that’s something that was natural on MJ pushing his teamates to the next level making them capable of being in a winning team and knowing also how to play the game like MJ did. Scottie Pippen said in his speach of the hall of fame induction that playing with MJ was what making to be there and acomplish what he did. So yes MJ will always be over KB and i can say kobe must be one of the 10 best player who ever play the game but will be hard to sit him in the top 5 can be possible but will be hard.

  296. Nicanor Orjaliza Jr says:

    No doubt that MJ is the best player that ever played in the NBA with 6 rings, but KB has five and he is still going. If Kb win more than MJ that another story. He’ll be the best palyer in the NBA.

  297. Denmark says:

    Guy, can I ask if at what age did MJ got his first and last championship?? KObe is now 32 and can chase for the six..correct me if I am wrong.., MJ got his last championship at age of 36 right? I think Kobe can get a 9 championships at age of 36 so he can get even with MJ championships (9 – 3 with shack = 6 championship) does this matter??

  298. Face the truth says:

    top ten of all time

    1.Michael jordan

    2.kobe bryant

    3.Magic jonson

    4.Kareem abdul jabbar

    5. Shaqille oneal

    6.Lary bird

    7.Bill russell

    8.Tim duncan

    9.Hakeem Olajuwon

    10.wilt chamberlain

    MJ is simply the greatest because of his high competitiveness ,his determination,and winning 6

    CHAMPIONSHIPS AT THE END OF HIS CAREER .What makes Kobe right up there with MJ IS HOW MUCH HE IS BEEN

    CRITICIZED AND EVENTUALLY OVERCAME ALL THOSE CRITICS. SERIOUSLY HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE

    HEARD HE CAN’T MAKE IT WITH OUT SHAQ OR HES NOT GOOD WITH OUT SHAQ LOL EVEN MAGIC JOHNSON

    SAID BOTH OF YOU WON’T BE AS GOOD IF YOU WERE SEPARATE AND KOBE ONLY GOT BETTER AND

    SURPASSED MAGIC AND SHAQ.KOBE IS ALL ABOUT WELL AND DETERMINATION ,EVEN BACK IN 07 WHEN HE

    SAID I DO’NT WANT STAY HIS WHOLE PURPOSE WAS TO WAKE UP THE LAKERS AND GET THEM BACK TO THE

    CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL ,AND AT THE SAME YEAR THE SAME YEAR THEY WERE ALREADY BACK IN THE NBA

    FINALS .JUST IMAGINE IF HE HAD LEFT WERE WOULD THE LAKERS BE WITH OUT HIM .LOL LAMAR ODOM AND

    KWAME BROWN LEADING THE LAKERS TO THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP LOL YEAH IN THERE DREAMS .

    UNLIKE LUBRICK (LEBRON) JAMES ON THE THE OTHER HAND. THE GREATEST OF GREATS NEVER LEFT THERE

    TEAMES.HE COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT GROUP IF ONLY HE HAD WON ONE CHAMPIONSHIP IN

    CLEVELAND.KOBE IS STILL THE BEST AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST OF THIS GENERATION EVEN ASK

    DAVID STERN ,OR EVEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THEY WILL ALL TILL YOU THAT KOBE IS

    SIMPLY THE BEST .ALL HE NEEDS

    IS ONE MORE CHAMPIONSHIP TO TIE MJ FOR THE GREATEST,TWO TO BE THE GREATEST.

    STAY A LAKERS FAN ,TRUST ME THEY ALWAYS BRING THE FINEST.

  299. ron says:

    The problem with a lot of the bloggers is they are just too young to give a knowledgeable opinion on any list of all time NBA players.

    Greates Guards:
    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Oscar Robertson
    3. Magic Johnson
    4. Kobe Bryant
    5. Jerry West
    6. Pete Maravich
    7. John Stockton
    8. Steve Nash
    9. George Gervin
    10. Bob Cousy

    Greatest Players:
    1. Wilt Chamberlain
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    3. Michael Jordan
    4. Oscar Robertson
    5. Kobe Bryant
    6. Magic Johnson
    7. Bill Russell
    8. Jerry West
    9. George Mikan
    10. Julius Erving

    When you do an all time list it should include the entire history of the NBA, not just since ESPN has been around. You have to go by what the players actually did (individually and team), not what they probably will do or who they were playing against.

  300. mark lindquist says:

    Until an NBA player leads a team to 11 championships in 13 years (player-coaching one), after leading a college team that no longer has a program to two NCAA National Championships and the USA to Olympic Gold, no one will come close to Bill Russell, just ask the ghosts of Red Auerbach and Wilt Chamberlain, respectively, and I am NO Celtics fan!

  301. Repect the game guys says:

    MIchael only says Kobe is “top 10 in guards” because of his respect for other guards (MJ, Bird, West,etc) Personally, Kobe is in my top ten of all time (4/5).

  302. alright says:

    all those Jordan lovin, putting up his ridiculous stats and accomplishments in the past, to disrespect our boy KB24 of today?

    just one question…i wonder how would have Jordan paved his way to his greatness if he had these freaky little basterds trailing behind his ass:

    james
    durant
    wade
    anthony
    nash
    paul
    howard
    garnett (still there)
    nowitzki (still hot)
    duncan (oh hang on big man!)
    williams (getting there)
    rose (almost there)
    iverson (uhm, where is he anyways? lol)

    ….and a lot more!

    (no disrespect to the greats of the past like magic, bird, olajuwon, barkley, et al..but i bet ol’ mike’s gonna have a harder time with these bunch of today!)

    i firmly believe that Jordan is the G.O.A.T…it’s just that i’m curious how he could have managed his game today. well, for Kobe, i think there ain’t much to explain. i think that new ring just explains it. well, most of it that is. 🙂

    kobe haters out there..chill! MJ reinvented the game. But now Kobe’s putting it to a whole new level. it’s what you call “building your own legacy.” Darn those stat sheets…even coaches won’t bet their lives on them if they have to. it’s all in the GAME!!! BOOYAH!!! just watch the game and understand ok guys! (as well as the corporate BS of nowadays. hey it’s entertainment business. everyone’s gotta have a piece of the cake).

    and laslty, play the game too..so you don’t go silly on us with your absurd know how’s and false credibility..darn those long comments up there may have been put up by guys who can’t even dribble the ball with ’em either hands…shame on you! LOL

  303. dfrang says:

    I hear this alot but just so we’re clear pippen was not the second best player in the league Hakeem Olajuwan was and charles barkley was still good then,…as for kobe skill wise id put him no.2 of all time but in terms of what he’s done and how he compares to the other players of his time I think maguc would be before KB24

  304. WhoisKobe? says:

    Kobe is a better closer?? ORLY??????????

    Ohh yes!! He Made “THE SHOT” ….

  305. milk says:

    lakers will not win another title for the next 5 years. fact.
    2011=boston
    2012=miami
    2013=miami
    2014=miami
    2015=miami

    hate it or love it. its going to happen.

  306. georgebell says:

    Kobe could never be mike he have not got as many mvp awards or scoring titles plus michael jordan is 6 and 0 in the finals he’s never lost on the big stage now wahat about kobe he got blew out by almost 50 against boston in the finals mike would have never let that happend and the league is much softer now then it was in the 90s a flagrent 2 now was just a foul back in the jordan era.

  307. Donut says:

    Come on guys, M.J. might not meant that Kobe doesn’t belong in the top five, but maybe just doesn’t want to exclude other good players like Magic or Larry.

  308. thehypemachine says:

    I was gonna enter this discussion, then I didn’t, but now I am. In an era dominated by one on one play, isolations, and better athletes, and an offence built the same way as the bulls era, why wouldn’t a guy like kobe bryant score big numbers. MJ did it his way, now kobe is doing it his. Kobe is a scoring machine no doubt, but do you think he would have handled being pushed around by the guards of the late 80’s & early 90’s? Sure he would put up as many shots as MJ but would his field goal % be the same as it is today? These questions won’t ever be answered, but in my opinion MJ played in a time where you had to be mentally tough, you couldn’t rely solely upon your athletic gifts. Offensively it’s Mike all the way, Defensively it’s Mike again, and Mental Strength well that Mike too. How would MJ do in todays NBA given he was back in his late 20’s early 30’s? With his flawless attitude to the game, and his approach to being fundamentally sound, he would be turning these young players inside out giving them fits, having them reaching trying to check him at one end of the floor, while in the back of their minds knowing that he will be waiting for them when they come back down the floor. It’s undeniable that Michael Jordan is the greatest and will always be the greatest.

  309. toyotaable says:

    top ten guard:
    1. jordan . dont forgot 3041pt, only 2people can do it,most 50+pt in playoff,most 30+ppg.,3steal tittle record,8 steal 1half record only play 28min,10 score tittle….
    2.kobe, his 81poit,62pt in 3qt., his offent was good but no defent stats. n his 1st 3 champs was a sidekick,1 mvp, final mvp, he 32 now.. a little LATE, even 8 more years still not.
    3.west
    4.drexler
    5.peter
    6.miller
    7.iverson
    8.gervin
    9.earl monrol
    10.same jones.
    top 10 greatest all time
    1.jordan
    2.kareem
    3.wilt
    4.bill.
    5 magic maybe kobe when he finish his career, honestly if he can get 1 more ring ,2 more mvp to tied magic or take over number 5 spot.
    6.oscar
    7.bird
    8.ducan
    9.kobe
    10.shaq

  310. Gabriel S. says:

    Kobe is one of the top 10 players of all time hands down. He has one of the biggest wills to win in the planet. If you had not noticed by now, he can score anytime he wants to. Also, if you put Kobe bryant in his prime and Jordan in his in a game, you would find the entire world watching that game. You put Jordan in his prime and another in the top 10, those ratings would drop dramatically. So tell me, who would pay their next paycheck to watch Kobe and Jordan play?

  311. ermal says:


    – do you still think Kobe is better than His Airness

  312. walter says:

    kobe is the best player in the history of basketball, thats my opinion. MJ was first but kobe plays injuried and he scores 30 points or more and he wins championships, he has a better shot and with more hard defense so i think his better and the number 1.

  313. youINsane says:

    wow really not the top 10 of all time @Mj vs Kobe….are you kidding me. wow you are a clear hater of Kobe.

    IMO Kobe is indeed in the top 10 greatest players of all time. MJ is clearly doing this to add motivation to Kobe not that he needs anymore, but that he needs it because of the 3 mega stars that has joined together on one team, because just like MJ Kobe’s drive to beat teams like that is above anyone else playing this game.

    IMO in no specific order:

    MJ….Kareem Jabbar…Magic…Bird…Big O Robertson…Dr. Julius Erving…Shaq…Bill Russell…Kobe…Wilt Chamberlin/J.West

    that is in no order but one thing i do know is if Kobe keeps winning he will keep moving up…but to a certain point because MYMYMY top4 are held steady…

    but then again its my own OPINION!

  314. kelvin says:

    LOOOOOOOOOLL!! Kobe isn’t better….well, he isn’t even half of what MJ and Magic Johnson are. Heck, even Lebron is better than Kobe. He is definitely in the Top 10 Guards, but in the All Time Top 10? Maybe….just barely…

  315. mark says:

    jordan 6 finals mvp

    kobe 2 finals mvp

    Mj is better

  316. Pay says:

    First of all folks, let me say that in my opinion this shouldn’t even be needed if you watched Michael Jordan’s career and have seen Kobe’s so far. Jordan was by far more consistently dominant and effective, that it’s really a true insult that this is needed. Thank the media and certain Kobe fans for this breakdown though, I hope you enjoy, this took a lot of time….

    When you combine the playoffs and regular season, Michael Jordan played in 1,251 games, Kobe Bryant has played in 1,219. Let’s see if Kobe has even come close to accomplishing what Michael Jordan accomplished…..

    You can’t deny facts folks, don’t even try….

    Rookie of the Year
    Michael Jordan: Yes
    Kobe Bryant: No

    In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals.

    All-Rookie First Team
    Michael Jordan: Yes
    Kobe Bryant: No

    Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didn’t make the All-Rookie First Team…

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 12 or more assists
    Michael Air Jordan: 32
    Kobe Bryant: 19

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 10 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 87
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 74

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 5 or more assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 663
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 593

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with less than 3 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 179
    Kobe Bryant: 261

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with less than 2 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 61
    Kobe Bryant: 142

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with 0 assists:
    Michael Air Jordan: 7
    Kobe Bryant: 57

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with at least 15 rebounds:
    Michael Air Jordan: 10
    Kobe Bryant: 5

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    Games with at least 12 rebounds:
    Michael Air Jordan: 66
    Kobe Bryant: 29

    Percentage of points scored on free throws:
    Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
    Kobe Bryant: 25.1%

    Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
    Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
    Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

    Seasons with at least 200 steals:
    Michael Air Jordan: 6
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Seasons with at least 150 steals:
    Michael Air Jordan: 9
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
    Michael Air Jordan: 2
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
    Michael Air Jordan: 4
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Defensive Player of the Year awards
    Michael Jordan: 1
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league’s best defender.

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    40 point or higher games
    MJ: 211
    Kobe: 115

    Regular season & Playoffs combined
    30 point or higher games
    MJ: 671
    Kobe: 415

    Career Player Efficiency Rating
    Michael Jordan: 27.91
    Kobe Bryant: 23.50

    Olympic Gold Medals
    Michael Jordan: 2
    Kobe Bryant: 1

    Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

    All Star Game:
    Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997.

    Scoring titles
    Michael Jordan: 10
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.

    Steals titles
    Michael Jordan: 3
    Kobe Bryant: 0

    Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.

    Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to achieve it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.

    Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.

    In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.

    Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.

    Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.

    Michael Jordan game winning shot attempts was 33 out of 58, which is a 56.9% shooting percentage, while Kobe has attempted more game winners, and 82 games’s website has a lest strict criteria, according to the facts, Kobe is a 27% career shooter in game winning situations.

    Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.

    Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.
    Michael Jordan is. He’s #80 in assists per game and #35 in assists.

    Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).

    Michael Jordan is #3 all time in steals per game, Kobe is #37 all time in steals per game.
    Michael Jordan is #2 all time in total steals, Kobe Bryant is #28 all time in total steals.

    Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard. Kobe Bryant isn’t even in the top 10 all time blocks by a guard.

    Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.
    Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.

    Seasons over 30 points per game:
    Michael Jordan: 8
    Kobe Bryant: 2

    Seasons over 32 points per game:
    Michael Jordan: 5
    Kobe Bryant: 1

    In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

    Kobe Bryant also has:
    2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
    2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
    Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

    Regular season
    Seasons under 50% shooting
    Kobe Bryant: 14
    Michael Jordan: 9

    Seasons under 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 14
    Michael Jordan: 5

    Seasons over 50% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Michael Jordan: 6

    Seasons over 52% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0
    Michael Jordan: 4

    Regular season
    Games with under 50% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 489
    Kobe Bryant: 623

    Regular season
    Games with under 48% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 458
    Kobe Bryant: 599

    Regular season
    Games with under 46% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 388
    Kobe Bryant: 530

    Regular season
    Games with under 44% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 296
    Kobe Bryant: 452

    Regular season
    Games with under 42% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 234
    Kobe Bryant: 393

    Regular season
    Games with under 40% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 158
    Kobe Bryant: 317

    Regular season
    Games with under 35% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 88
    Kobe Bryant: 192

    Regular season
    Games with under 30% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 41
    Kobe Bryant: 97

    Regular season
    Games with 60% or better shooting
    Michael “Air” Jordan: 173
    Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 123

    Regular season
    Games with 50% or better shooting
    Michael “Air” Jordan: 556
    Kobe “Bean” Bryant: 393

    Regular season
    Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
    MJ: 16
    Kobe: 3

    Regular season
    Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
    MJ: 3
    Kobe: 1

    Regular season
    Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
    MJ: 29
    Kobe: 43
    Yes, that’s right, almost half of Kobe’s 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.

    Regular season
    50 point games with under 50% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
    Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 24 games

    Regular season
    50 point games with under 45% shooting
    Michael Jordan: 0
    Kobe Bryant: 3

    NBA Playoffs
    50 point or higher games
    Kobe: 1
    MJ: 8

    NBA Playoffs
    40 point or higher games
    Kobe: 11
    MJ: 38

    NBA Playoffs
    30 point or higher games
    Kobe: 78
    MJ: 109

    NBA Playoff runs under 50% shooting:
    Kobe: 13 (every year)
    MJ: 8

    NBA Playoff runs over 50% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
    Michael Jordan: 5

    NBA Playoff runs under 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 12
    Michael Jordan: 6

    NBA Playoff runs over 48% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 1
    Michael Jordan: 7

    NBA Playoff runs under 46% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 9
    Michael Jordan: 3

    NBA Playoff runs under 44% shooting:
    Kobe Bryant: 6
    Michael Jordan: 2

    NBA Playoff runs over 30ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 4
    Michael Jordan: 12

    NBA Playoff runs over 32ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 2
    Michael Jordan: 8

    NBA Playoff runs over 34ppg:
    Kobe Bryant: 0 (never)
    Michael Jordan: 7

    NBA Finals averages for their careers:
    Michael Jordan 33.6ppg 6.0reb 5.9ast 48.0%fg 36.8%3pt 
    Kobe Bryant 25.3ppg 5.7reb 5.0ast 41.2%fg 31.3%3pt
    Pau Gasol 17.3ppg 10.4reb 3.2ast 1.7blk 52.8%fg
    Scottie Pippen 18.9ppg 8.3reb 5.9ast 40.9%fg 25.9%3pt
    Shaq (as a Laker) 33.6ppg 14.1reb 3.0ast 2.4blk 60.2%fg
    Kobe (with Shaq) 22.1ppg 5.2reb 4.6ast, 1.0blk 41.6%fg

    Kobe has been out performed by teammates in 5 out of his 7 NBA Finals appearances, Michael Jordan was never out performed by a teammate. Michael Jordan never had a teammate average over 20.0ppg in any NBA Finals who shot a higher percentage than him, Kobe’s had a teammate do this 4 times (Gasol doesn’t get enough shot attempts or it would be 7 times).

    Michael Jordan consistently raised his team’s level of play, while Kobe Bryant hinders his team’s level of play by consistently missing so many shots. Michael Jordan carried his team consistently, and on the flip side Kobe Bryant’s team carries him consistently.

    Record as team leader
    Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)
    Kobe Bean Bryant: 300-224 (.573)

    Postseason as team leader
    Michael Air Jordan: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons
    Kobe Bryant: Missed postseason 1 time in 6 seasons

    NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards
    Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 tries
    Kobe Bryant: 2 in 7 tries

    As you can see, it would take Kobe 3 full careers to truly eclipse Michael Jordan. He’s so far off he has absolutely no chance to pass Michael Air Jordan whatsoever…

  317. soaljah says:

    kb 24 the best now, and for a long period of time. How can you compare the 90’s basketball with todays
    impossible.

  318. dre says:

    most of you guys who say kobe is better than jordan must not have seen jordan play. the nba in the mid to late 80s and 90s was 2x better than this league is now. i dont even like watching it until its basically playoff time because its garbage. the game back then was much more physical, intelligent and intense. guys at that time took pride in playing defense and playing their roles. jordan won 6 rings and couldve possibly won 8 straight if he didnt retire. Mike averaged 30 a game for his career and shot 50% from the field. dont forget people, Mike came back at the age of 40 and averaged 22per. haha. against these so called better athletes. kobe is great, but for people to say he is better than Mike is crazy.

  319. THE REAL CUBA OF BOSTON says:

    (M.J. was great when he first entered the league, Kobe was coming off the bench behind Eddie Jones. Kobe stole all of M.J moves, he has his coach and playing in his system ( the triangle) . It wouldn’t be a Kobe if it wasn’t for M.J. )

    to answer this statement KOBE was STRAIGHT OUT OR HIGH SCHOOL he just finished taken BRANDY to the prom when he entered the league, JORDAN had CAROLINA to develop . Im not saying KOBE is better then JORDAN ,
    but it’s pretty close. and as far as the KOBE copies his style , well if to copy JORDAN makes playing ball easy then we should all copy JORDAN, IT AIN’T EASY. and of course you have to look up to someone. thats how we all learn the game. beofre JORDAN and MAJIC we had WILT, ,etcetcetc . so JORDAN is #1 and KOBE’S 1.5 END OF STORY

  320. Hoa says:

    all you morons who keep claiming that KOBE cannot win championships without bigs…. YOU CANT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS WITHOUT A “TEAM” PERIOD. listen to the stupidity in your logics. im simply appalled at your level of retardation.

  321. just a thought says:

    how about this, when mj was playing there were acouple of rules that were not present unlike now. plus lets not forget about the teams they both have to face every night.

  322. jrdavao.. says:

    MJ never lost to a finals series, Kobe lost twice even if they had Karl Malone and Gary Payton on the team.. Kobe’s great but not that great enough..

  323. Morpheus says:

    When speaking of spectacular individual players- there was a constant “evolving” of players and their skill sets, as time, technology and resources elevated the game for era to era. First, there was Connie Hawkins- doing fully extended moves with the ball “palmed”, out away from his body while attacking the basket.Then there was Elgin Baylor- doing multiple moves while mid-air…double pumping, around-the- back,reverse lay-ups(with either hand) and more. Then came Julius Erving- with an “above-the-rim”, aerial display compounded with speed, agility, strength and “showmanship”….Dr. J – because he “operates” on his opponents. Then……came MICHAEL JORDAN. With ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED ATRRIBUTES OF EVERYBODY BEFORE HIM!! PLUS….the ability to handle the ball, pass the ball, incredible jumping abilty ,a very strong rebounder(for a guard), a deadly consistent “mid-range” jumpshot, a truly great defensive skill, a historic perspective and respect for the Game, articulant,charismatic, Leader, with a refreshingly new work ethic taken to a whole new level- and “mass appeal” that transcended the sport arena. And then- there came Kobe. With ALL OF THE EXACT SAME SKILLS AS MIKE. PLUS…(.not quite as good of a defender as MJ but still a very good one-) with a better “handle” and a MUCH BETTER jumpshot from ANYWHERE- WITH INCREDIBLE RANGE; A BETTER “CLOSER”, with or without the fantastic game winning shots instead of or along with closing stretches.

    YES…. you must measure a man by his results. And the primary- BUT NOT EXCLUSIVE way of doing that is to look at the stats.In that regard, Mike gets the “props” for across-the-board numbers…that may never be caught. But Kobe has statistical accomplishments that Mike never got, ie, FOUR STRAIGHT GAMES OF “50”PLUS POINTS- OR THE 81PT. PERFORMANCE….THAT WAS PRECEDED BY “62” AGAINST DALLAS- IN “3” QUARTERS (DNP 4TH QTR.)!!!
    give credit where credit is due- no matter who your favorite or least-liked player might be. DON’T LOOK THE TRUTH IN THE MOUTH AND CALL IT A LIE. Kobe is the last greatest “EVOLUTION” of the Game. and the next one is……………….yet to be revealed. Truth. Holla if ‘Ya hear me!

  324. oguhha says:

    for me it is not even close kobe bean bryant is by far the best player to ever play the game of basketball, simply because, the 90’s had good players, but not players as strong and fast as dwight howard lebron james carmelo anthony, dwayne wade, derrick rose, or kevin durant Kobe has to go against these monsters on a nightly basis. I mean seriously behind jordan, manu ginobli would be the second best player, and also kobe’s work ethick and attention of every detail(especially in the last second of the game) is unparralel to this game, the way he pivots, post up, and combines moves to embarrass players heavier and taller than him are amazing. here are some of the stats the media don’t want you to know because they want to worship thier queen lebaby james. kobe scored 71,63,62,61,65,56,and 15 40 point games against the rockets, trail blazers, raptors, spurs, mavericks, nuggets, and knicks.It took michael triple ovetime just to score 69, but here’s the amazing part, it only took kobe 3 quarters to score 65 points against the trail blazers, then the coach took him out. Also kobe is by far the best closer that will ever live kobe 36 career buzzer beaters ( 6 in a span of 2 and a half months last year) mike only had 6. kobe 5 rings 2 finals mvps and should have had 4 regular season mvps but media hated him for nothing. averaged 35 ppg, 5apg, and 5rpg in 06-07 and also averaged 30 points in the last two championships with shaq. he just better at scoring

    • Nate says:

      Are you stupid? Jordan in his prime is faster, more athletic, and a smarter player than Kobe ever was… Jordan is everything Kobe is, and then some.. so how can you say that Jordan won’t be able to handle today’s players… besides, the players of the 80’s and 90’s were a lot more physical than today… probably not as athletic, but definitely more physical.

  325. Link01 says:

    Jordan is better than Kobe… The people here keeps pulling Jordan back to the #2 spot coz of Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, Zen Master. What about Kobe, he was second to Shaq at the 00′, 01′, 02′ championships and then now that he’s the
    Black Mamba he has Fisher, Artest, Gasol & the Zen Master. Jordan had his guys to help him 6 rings, Kobe also has his guys to help him 5 rings. Lets talk about clutch performance whether being the passer, shooting, defensive stop. I pick Jordan over Kobe, mount up all Kobe’s clutch performance against Jordan’s championship game winning shot against the Jazz at 98′ its still not enough to over take MJ. Both MJ and Kobe were not 1st over all picks, but MJ was already a diamond when he got to the NBA and became the leader of the team right away, While Kobe was a diamond that needs to be polished and just became the leader in his 8th year in the league. They were the Pioneers of their era, MJ took us to the space jam age and beyond, while Kobe lead the high school jump to PRO players. I wont start with individual achievements anymore; the season MVP, Finals MVP, scoring title, records holding coz we know who’s winning that…

  326. champ says:

    jordan is way better than kobe.come on are you guys serious did what kind of era jordan was playing in.

  327. JOHN says:

    THE MOST OFFICIAL ALL-TIME TOP 10 (GUARDS) :

    1) MICHAEL JORDAN
    2) MAGIC JOHNSON
    3) OSCAR ROBERTSON
    4) JOHN STOCKTON
    5) JERRY WEST
    6) PETE MARAVICH
    7) CLYDE DREXLER
    8) Le BRON JAMES – KOBE BRYANT
    9) ALLEN IVERSON
    10) STEVE NASH – JASON KIDD

    • Ivan says:

      take lebron out of the list please.. He hasnt even made it to the finals.. and Allen Iverson too! the guy cant even show up to practice

  328. Tony says:

    This discussion makes me laugh and all the replies makes me sick. To compare Jordan with Kobe is the same thing as to compare George Washington and Barack Obama. When I watched a game 90’s I didn’t realised what MJ was doing, coz he was like supernatural comparing to all the other players, but after 20 years I can tell this isn’t magic anymore, because all those things can do multiple guys in the league today. What I want to say if there was no MJ there was no Kobe what he is now.

  329. ChitownMO says:

    alvin robertson and jack sikmas bucks. mark prices cavaliers. malone and stocktons jazz. even the Enver Nuggets(no defense) was scoring 120 a game but losing by 10(130.8 opponents PPG). roland blackmans mavericks.

  330. Vito23 says:

    from 2:30 … tnx 🙂

  331. John Castillo says:

    i thought we were just talking about kobe being in the top ten. why do you guys always need to compare him to MJ. All this was about was whether or not MJ disrespected Kobe and whether or not Kobe was in the top ten all-time

  332. ray ray says:

    Kobe is good but Many are better than him Allen Iverson was but Iverson was never on a good team in his prime. So no kobe is not in my top 10

  333. BigEarn says:

    MJ is maybe the best of all time. Kobe made a good career by stealing all his moves.
    Top 10 all time? Should be ok.

  334. ChitownMO says:

    If anyone actually believes the NBA has more talented player than in the 80s and 90s you are blind or ignorant. the league today is an absolute joke. zone defenses. no handchecking. refs friendly with coaches and players. there was a ESPN segment on how former refs are disgusted by the actions of todays refs. documentations of players caring only for their contracts and not playing hard consistently. vince carter stating he did not play hard at times. artest drinking at halftime when he was with the bulls(early career). iverson nuff said. once you get outside the top 30 players in the league the talent level drops considerably compared to the past. mitch richmond(5 time all star) did not make the all star team for sevearl seasons due to the competition in the West back then despite putting up numbers equal or greater than his warrior teammates(mullin and hardaway). the leagues best player cares more about his brand name and legacy than winning as a leader(lebron james). 2 team league(lakers and heat) with a possible dark horse(celticss) if the heat have any may injuries. the magic are not a championship team neither is anyone else outside of those 3 and some of you actually believe that the league is better now than it was then? 87-93 birds celtics. showtime lakers. bad boys pistons. jordans bulls. drexlers blazers. barkleys sixers. olajuwons rockets. ewings knicks. reggie miller and chuck persons pacers. chambers and KJs suns. Run TMC warriors. supersonics. robinsions spurs. wilkins hawks.

  335. RUBEN says:

    JORDAN MAKES ME SICK.STOP LIVING IN THE PASSED.YOU WERE GREAT,BUT YOU WONT BE GREAT FOREVER..THINGS ARE MADE TO BE BROKEN..DONT THINK NO ONE CAN PASS YOUR LEGASY.YOU ARE HUMAN NOT GOD..SORRY BUT KOBE WILL PASS YOU AND YOUR LEGASY.YOU DID YOURS.NOW RESPECT WHAT OTHERS CAN DO.

  336. Ivan says:

    Of course Kobe Bryant ranks in the top 10 to play the game. I mean really, hasnt he really proved enough! Why is it that many people want to continue to put kobe down??? I am a big Michael Jordan fan aswell, and he was an incredible basketball player ( all around ). But, Kobe ranks in the top 10 of all time. Last topic was if Michael Jordan was playing in todays game, Would of he dropped 100 points? Maybe he would of if that was his target. Kobe Bryant didnt wake up that morning to play against Toronto and said, “Im going to score 81 points tonight”. Greatness just happened with the intention to win the game.
    Now people are comparing Kobe’s accomplishments along with Jordans. Yes, Jordan has more awards for MVP and all the rest. But, that was a different team with a different strategy, and with different teammates. We all know that when the Lakers had a 3 peat with Shaq, it was bull@#$% that Shaq got the MVP awards. If it wasnt for Kobe dishing him the ball everytime he drove in. Shaq would of not had as easy looks at the basket.
    Kobe Bryant scoring more than 40 points the first half against Michael and the Wizards ( Moment of Silence ). He has 5 rings right now when Jordan barely had 3 at his age. His legacy will continue and many haters will just continue to rank him down. Also stop saying that Lebron James is better than Kobe!! Until Lebron James has more rings than Kobe. Then take it for consideration.

  337. MJ BEST OF ALL TIME says:

    KOBE IS NOT EVEN THE BEST GUARD TODAY…WADE HAS BETTER LIFETIME STATUS. HE IS BETTER PASSER, STEALER, AND BLOCKER THAN KOBE. KOBE WON SCORING TITLE ONLY TWICE. WADE WON IT ONCE. WADE GOT FINALS MVP BEFORE KOBE. KOBE IS NOT EVEN THE BEST TODAY. LEBRON IS THE BEST. WHEN MJ PLAYED HE WAS BETTER THAN EVERYBODY IN THE LEAGUE…MUCH BETTER. SO WHEN THE GOAT SAYS SOMEONE IS TOP TEN GUARD EVER – TAKE IT AS A COMPLIMENT. KOBE IS NOT BETTER THAN WADE, WEST, OR GERVIN. MAGIC IS A BETTER GUARD, AND AI IN HIS PRIME TOOK PHILLY TO THE FINALS AND WON MORE SCORING TITLES THAN KOBE. WHERE ARE THE STATS FOR KOBE. IF YOU’RE GOING TO BE SECOND TO MJ YOU HAVE TO HAVE GAUDY,CONSISTENT STATS. KOBE DOESN’T HAVE HIM. WADE IS MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE VERSATILE. KOBE IS THE BEST CLOSER SINCE MJ BUT HE IS A ONE TRICK PONY. THAT OUTSIDE J DOESN’T GO IN 60% OF THE TIME. MJ, IN HIS BEST YEARS HAD FG% WELL OVER 50 FOR LIKE 7 YEARS ALL THE WHILE AVERAGING WELL OVER 30 A GAME, AND BEING STEALS CHAMPION 3 TIMES. MJ IS THE ONLY GUARD EVER TO HAVE 200 STEALS AND 100 BLOCKS IN A SEASON AND MONEY DID IT TWICE. KOBE NEVER DEFENDED LIKE THAT…MONEY WON DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE IN THE STATS BETWEEN KOBE AND MJ, EVEN BETWEEN KOBE AND LEBRON OR WADE.
    THERE ARE ALSO OTHER GUARDS LIKE CLYDE DREXLER, ADRIAN DANTLEY, AND OSCAR ROBERTSON THAT WERE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  338. KIKI says:

    JORDAN IS THE NUMBER ONE OF ALL TIME ….PERIOD

  339. Ivan says:

    Of course Kobe Bryant ranks in the top 10 to play the game. I mean really, hasnt he really proved enough! Why is it that many people want to continue to put kobe down??? I am a big Michael Jordan fan aswell, and he was an incredible basketball player ( all around ). But, Kobe ranks in the top 10 of all time. Last topic was if Michael Jordan was playing in todays game, Would of he dropped 100 points? Maybe he would of if that was his target. Kobe Bryant didnt wake up that morning to play against Toronto and said, “Im going to score 81 points tonight”. Greatness just happened with the intention to win the game.
    Now people are comparing Kobe’s accomplishments along with Jordans. Yes, Jordan has more awards for MVP and all the rest. But, that was a different team with a different strategy, and with different teammates. We all know that when the Lakers had a 3 peat with Shaq, it was bull@#$% that Shaq got the MVP awards. If it wasnt for Kobe dishing him the ball everytime he drove in. Shaq would of not had as easy looks at the basket.
    Kobe Bryant scoring more than 40 points the first half against Michael and the Wizards ( Moment of Silence ). He has 5 rings right now when Jordan barely had 3 at his age. His legacy will continue and many haters will just continue to rank him down. Also stop saying that Lebron James is better than Kobe!! Until Lebron James has more rings than Kobe. Then take it for consideration.

  340. Ted A. says:

    Kobe is in the Top 5.

    Jordan
    Bryant
    Archibald
    Jerry West
    Isaiah Thomas
    John Stockton

  341. hey says:

    kobe is lucky he’s only seeing the heat twice this season no doubt about that I feel as if manu gin is just as good as kobe.. I am a basketball fan but i will stop saying who’s. he sad thing is hat this league market the yung soon to be hopefuls and try to mold them by inspirational advertisments (durant) so they can dig alot deeper in accomplishing the rank. Then when that is still not working they build an entire team to that one illusion they paint of that person (kobe). jordan wasn’t suppose to do what he did the way he did (becoming better each and every year) until people forgot he was well into his thirties an still number one (he perfected that talent) and now every one including obe took what he did and try to make it there own dwyane wae with the finesse i feel is the closest to a younger joran kobe used the older jordan to get through the league and stilll i feel haven’t gotten the gist of what jordan tried and did acomplish. look at the league lakers are playing heat twice this year 2 losses wont make kobe look bad and there is always the finals they saw the miami hheaat team and tried to jumpp onto another fae before they focus alot more on kobe and hhow “great ” he is because the league isnt fair they change the rules to make players like kobe o still be considered great the commissioner loves kobe and hates to see him go down in buring flames …you can get a technical foul for talking to the ref a little more than 5 seonds they wil forever paint an illusion for us . did kobe deserve mvp…no pau did but that is aded to his many achievements is it right no just gives you more fire power to argue with …i encourage you al to watch basketball not just listen to the naysayers and yes men thats trying to mold it into their own immage . when tthe ball goes up you still have to play and 32 is consideered young you gota prove us wrong

  342. TonyALARCON says:

    I think Jordan was the best of his era, and now Kobe is the best. He’s still kind of “young”, please don’t name LeBron on these kind of comparison, he’s a joker, he’s a street baller. I think we are not going to wacth a SG like Kobe for the next 50 years, and we’re seeing another like Michael on Kobe’s hands. I’m a lakers fan from Paraguay, I love the franchise since I met Kobe’s skills. And I also like Jordan

    I think these players are the top 10 of all time

    1. Jordan
    2. Bryant
    3. Johnson
    4. Bird
    5. O’neal
    6. Abdul Jabbar
    7. Erving
    8.Chamberlain
    9. West
    10. Duncan

    Bryant is currently on Nº 2, lets wait for time to decide if he will remain 2 or move to 1, I don’t mention to move down.

    Greetings

  343. ruffhouse says:

    People are on mikes knuts so much that they don’t want too see the bulls get a team that could compete for a ring. Carmelo for Noah was a no brainer. But chicago won’t do it because they love mj so much. That’s why the franchise sucks.
    Rose, Carmelo, Boozer, good role players and maybe another top player two years from now. They would be a favorite to win. They won’t do that because maybe people will stop thinking about MJ. They got this dude on 2k11. Still trying to keep him relevant. Phuck Jordan

  344. lol says:

    In Sports Industry MJ earner for sport 10 bilion $ during his carreer + commercials
    MJ never lost in Finals no one beat his 63 pts record
    No team since 1996 beat their record 72-10
    Kobe had Shaq during his finals and playing very selfish
    MJ is teammate person Paxon Kerr Longley he many times plays passes to him
    Kobe have just one title without shaq
    MJ is only player who won in LA title

    end of comments whos better

  345. Pathetic. says:

    People that say Kobe is better than MJ should just stop breathing.
    Kobe is no where NEAR MJ. If you believe that, then you have not watched basketball for long enough and/or you don’t know ANY basketball history.
    If you knew about the achievements of such greats like MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell,you wouldn’t even put Kobe in the top 5.
    Jesus, the ignorance of some idiots on nba.com….

  346. Jeff says:

    ey dont put mike didnt mean it that way

  347. ChitownMO says:

    sorry but Kobe is not the 2nd best guard in league history and anyone who knows league history can clearly see despite his talent he faltered many times in his early career clearly was 2nd fiddle to shaq and cost the lakers many ball games(won games too but cost them alot of gamess due to his shot selection and pouting) too many sub 40% FG% games(1/3 of his career regular season games see for yourself) took too many plays off on defense(06-08). too many hit or miss performances and was not a champion until gasol ariza and fisher arrived. before you bring pippen in the jordan argument mike was already putting up dominant numbers in the playoffs from 85-90 before the bulls won their 1st championship. bulls did not have enough to win it all but mike was clearly better than kobe in playoff time before and after pippens development and kobe with and without shaq. Kobe has had clutch performances but is shooting sub 50% in clutch situations(look for yourself) and had a subpar game 7 in the finals(6-24) Kobe is not better than Magic. not close. better shooter yes. more athletic yes. but no where near the ball handler playmaker and all around player that magic was not oscar neither. isiah in the conversation as well. at best he is 4th even then with West(people forget how great he was) and drexler(way underrated due to quiet demeanor). look at teh numbers for yourself. kobe is not a better scorer than pistol pete maravich. defender yes. offensively not close IF you actually looked at what pete did as a scorer shooter ball handler and passer. not hate but reality. the nba today is an joke compared to the past due to greedy and disorganized youth development system(non federal and or state uniform developmental system) and corporate domination(pay above performance. hype focused)

  348. René says:

    Too anybody who watched MJ during the ninetiees it´s gonna be almost impossible to say, that he´s not the greatest player, not just guard, to ever play. I´m sure people who watched Jabbar in his prime, or The Big O, or Russell feel the same way. That said, if you look at the style of play of Kobe right now and compare him to Jordan there are a lot of simmilarities, and it is pretty close.

    But if you look at Bryant over his entire career with the Lakers, I´ m gonna say this: he isn´t even the best Laker or Laker guard to play: You have to go with Magic; from the time he put on the Laker – uniform to the day he retired, he was the man for his team. He surely was the most valuable player for them You could argue, that Kareem was the leader for the first year or two, but i´m not even gonna aggree with that, Magic was the leader, and he ran the team both offensively and on defense. He was a fantastic defender not to forget. He had the same fire to win as Jordan had, but maybe not to the absolute same extend, but he did whatever the team needed him to do, and in the playoffs he absolutely dominated opposing teams.

    He had a great supporting team around him, of course and so did both Jordan and do Bryant now, but with any other player than Magic the Lakers wouldn´t have dominated the eightiees like they did alongside the Celtics.

    For me beeing the best isn´t only about the number of championships, but about how you helped your team, how dominant you where and about how you changed the game. Kobe and Magic have the same number of championships, and Kobe will probably have more when he is done, but unless he wins another three or four he´s not passing Magic.

  349. superjc says:

    KOBE IS BETTER THAN MICHAEL JORDAN, IN ALMOST EVERYWAY POSSIBLE, THE DIFICULTY OF KOBES SHOTS IS UNMATCHED , BY FAR. KOBE IS THE BEST.

  350. Jeff says:

    The writer only put what mike say out of context just be a responsible columnist its sad that you have to earn your living this way i pity you. Kobe is one of the greatest no doubt about that.

  351. Thomas says:

    I agree with MJ. Kobe is one of the best guards but not one of the best players. Back in MJ days the game was more physical. Now if u put Kobe back in those days he wouldnt even last a quater of a regular game. and it is true if MJ played in todays times he would score close to 100 points a game

  352. Qasim Azam says:

    KOBEOOOOOOO IS BEHINDOOOOOOOOO JORDANOOOOOOOOOOO NO CONTESTOOOOOOOOO

  353. Marci says:

    MIKE=GOAT

  354. Jordan was a better defender, better shooter (near 50% FG pct), higher b-ball IQ and better basketball player. period.

    Everybody is also forgetting just how good Pau Gasol and the rest of the Lakers are. We don’t even have to mention the fact that Shaq was the most dominant player in the league when Kobe won his first three rings. But Pau is easily one the most skilled big men in the history of the NBA. Jordan never had a star big man to play with. Yes, Scottie was great but a big that can dominate changes the whole structure of the game and makes things waaaay easier for his teammates.

    To put things in perspective, there was a stretch in Jordan’s early career when he placed into the PG position because of injuries on the Bulls’ roster — what happened? HE HAD 7 CONSECUTIVE TRIPLE DOUBLES!!!!!! Jordan is the GOAT!

  355. Derick says:

    MJ the best who ever did it. Kobe unable to do it like Jordan because he’s always had allstar talent the 5 times he won the NBA Title besides Scottie Pipen Jordan did it without allstar talent which makes it more diffcult to fathom why people are trying to compare Kobe to Jordan. Kobe won 3 on the back of Shaq & 2 with the help of Pau Gasol so he’s not close no one is sorry LA fans……………. It’s the truth take Shaq off of those first 3 championship teams & Pau off of the last 2 championships & tell me Kobe wins 5 championships with whats left on his team.

  356. carlos says:

    mj won 6 nba championships in 8 years, back to back three peats, 5 mvps, defensive player of the year, rookie of the year, 2 olympic gold medals. 10 time scoring champion, 2 time dunk champ, all of this with out a big man he was de man franchise during all his career with the bulls, he is the gratest of all time, kobe its a terrific player but he cant match all jordans acomplishments just because he scored 81 points against a losser team, kobe have 5 nba rings but he dont lead his team like michael did in the 90s .mj took a looser franchise and transformed this franchise to the third most important franchise in nba history, i want to see kobe finishing hes career with the lakers scoring the last shot in the nba finals to win his last championship, just like jordan did it in utah in 98, if kobe do that he can be considered one of the grateatests, but he never will be like mike, kope bryant just copy every mjs moves, kobe is great because of jordan, mj has transformed the game and the nba kobes not, dont get me wrong kobe is a talented player but he never will match jordans, or magic, or birds talent to lead his teams to the top period.

    here is my top ten players that leads his team to the championship

    1.- michael jordan 6 championships
    2.-magic johnson 5 championships
    3.- kareem abdul jabbar 6 championships
    4.- bill russel 11 championships
    5.- larry bird 3 championships
    6.-tim duncan 4 championships
    7.- shaquille oneal 4 nba championships
    8.- hakeem olajuwon 2 championships
    9.- wilt chamberlain 2 championships
    10.- julius earving 2 championships
    11.-kobe bryant 5 championships

  357. OscarRobertson says:

    ARE YOU GUYS CRAZY

    I WANT ALL OF YOU GUYS TO READ THIS,IF YOU THINKING MJ IS THE GREATEST
    ….Oscar Robertson is the greatest guard of all time. Jordan is a media whore. He does this sh*t for attention. Jordan is like the Basketball Media darling sweetheart,this guy is pampered more than a baby’s ass. You guys act like Jordan didn’t Hand-check or play physical. you say Kobe got his moves from MJ, but who did MJ get his moves from??? Huh EXACTLY, MJ is taking credit for everything people did before him.no doubt Jordan is Better than kobe, BUT Oscar Robertson is still the G.O.A.T. Kobe has a better shooting,Ball Handing and passing Ability ON THE OTHER HAND Jordan is more Physical and Better Defensively due to his huge ass hands.You guys are ignoring the fact that Rodman has 7 Rebounding Titles and he made NBA Defensive First Team 7 TIMES!!! and Jordan had a Terrific SF.Soo who needed more help? Kobe has Shaq, Jordan has Rodman and Scottie.Stop Hugging Jordan Nuts, He aint the best Guard Oscar Robertson is! Then Magic,then Jerry West THEN Jordan THEN Kobe.This guy Jordan walks around like He owns everything about basketball, this guy is a F*cking Goofball desperate for attention,First he says kobe is just Under him now he says he only top 10.This guy says whatever it takes for the Media to ride his nuts.Jordan doesn’t even make top 10 players of all time,
    TOP 12 “PLAYERS” OF ALL TIME
    1. Kareem Abdul Jabaar
    2. Wilt Chamberlain
    3. Magic Johnson
    4. Larry Bird
    5. Oscar Robertson
    6. Bill Russell
    7. Hakeem Olijowon
    8. Jerry West
    9. John Stockton
    10. Rick Barry
    11. Micheal Jordan
    12. Kobe Bryant

    How can he rank a player like that if he not even Top 10 players of all time,MJ is not even Top 3 Guards of all time.If you wanna bring up MVP’s, where are biased sure,but remember MVP’s are like a popularity test.Idiot People call him the greatest player of all time do you not think he will get the MVP’s? think about it.For the Shaq-MVP thing, We live in a time where you NEED a DOMINANT BIG,todays era s more complexed. its not a one man team,EVERYBODY NEEDS A BIG TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.Kobe did his thing but like i said its a popularity competition,and Shaq loves to spot light.
    AND LASTLY for anybody even mention Lebron is being one of the greatest,LEBRON HAS NO TRUE SKILL, he is all athleticism and no skill.the man is 6’8, 260 pounds of muscle driving the paint like a caveman and complaining about fouls everytime. Any Buff dude can do that,Think about it.Lebron got you kids thinking all you need it Height/ athleticism/ Muscle tone to be consider the best

  358. Air says:

    It’s true, Kobe is top ten but I don’t know if he’s second. I’m still a Magic Johnson Fan and when he played he was something amazing. Kobe might be close to top 5, maybe a 6. The only reason he’s not top 5 is because Shaq was bascially Jordan on that Lakers team. The majority of those guys on that team came from Chicago and other championship teams and championship experience and rings i.e. Phil, Harper, Tex Winter, Horry, etc….So basically with all their championship knowledge came championships for Kobe. Kobe was Pippen to Shaq Jordan. When Jordan won his championship tell me who came from a championship team and had championship experience to help him? besides Phil? no one! he didn’t have the #1 center at the time to help him with the triangle and take the focus away from Jordan. Pippen was top 5 at the time in the NBA but still wasn’t a center. Having a center that actually created problems makes a big impact and Jordan didn’t have that ever. How many more rings would Jordan have won if he actually had a center? Don’t forget, Boston shut down Kobe, Detroit shut down Kobe when he had Shaq, Payton, Malone….Kobe has always had great help whereas Jordan molded those guys. Jordan is correct, Kobe is top 10. Jordan wouldn’t have allowed Boston to destroy the Lakers that one year at the finals. Think about it this way, if Jordan played now he would utterly destroy the teams cause there are no more true centers. Dwight Howard is not really a center but other than that who is left? do you think Kobe could have gone inside against the Bad Boys? or the Boston of old? basically when Jordan played the league was a lot more physical. He would be at the line at least 20+ times, add a 40+, 50+ game and I’m sure he would have easily scored 81 or more. Those who talk about Kobe being better than Jordan never saw him play, espn classics or youtube doesn’t count. T. Prince held Kobe to 11 points in the playoffs!!!!! Anyways, talk about something that actually is worth talking about and that is whether Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time or not. I say he’s third compared to Jerry West and Magic.

  359. Vito23 says:

    Ok… first i really like Jordan hes my idol. I watched him from the start and kobe to. But how can u compare this two players?? Stats are on Jordan side… that we all know. But man… 40 years old and got 43 points?? He played against T-mac, Kobe, VC in theirs prime and still schooled them. Beat that kobe and others… For me Jordan is greatest ever played the game. Dont get me wrong, kobe is great hes the best player in nba NOW. But all time?? I dont think so… only one player is GOAT and thats Air Jordan.

  360. Malcolm says:

    here you go (THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS):

    MJ OVER KOBE.

  361. Igorek says:

    Michael Jordan is a great icon and he will always be considered by many GOAT, however his latest antics make him look like an attention w.h.o.r.e Come one Jordan, why do you need to go out and say you could score a hundred? I bet he wouldn’t be having this conversation if Kobe didn’t score 81. By the way the most Jordan scored was 69 points and it was with 5 minutes of over time, Kobe scored 62 points in 3 quarters. He needs to learn to give other players their dues. The game has evolved, but Jordan didn’t change the game it was Magic and Bird, but a lot of people tend to forget that. Jordan never could beat a Lakers or the Celtics team, until Magic’s last year when we was about to retire. He was able to beat mediocore teams, there is no way he would beat 2008 Boston Celtics in 1996-1998. He had a great all around team, just as Kobe, but the shorts that Kobe has made are just unbeliavable and I haven’t seen Jordan make the same shots.

    Even if you do give Jordan the nod to be the GOAT (which I don’t deny), Kobe is the close second and the scary thing is that Kobe is only getting better. By the way a lot of people forget that Kobe dropped 55 on Jordan when he was with the Wizards. Kobe thrives in big moments and under pressure and I would take healthy Kobe all day to make the last shot.

  362. Nate says:

    I’ve been a BBall fan for over 20yrs. I’ve seen both the things that Jordan and Kobe did in their careers. As a True BBall fan, and to compare what each of the players have accomplished in their careers, I have to say that MJ is the greatest there is. Not to say that Kobe isn’t a great player himself. I have a sense that most of the people who think that Kobe is better than MJ are probably of this younger generation and never really had the chance to see MJ play. The things that Jordan did in the 90’s, I’ve never seen any other player do… then and now, and I’m talking about more than just numbers and stats. Kobe never had the IMPACT on the NBA and the World the way Jordan did. Athlectic and skill wise, I think they’re almost equal, but I still give both those catagories to MJ. I also think Jordan was a smarter player and his will to win was just unmatched. The only thing that i’ll give to Kobe over MJ is that Kobe is a better 3pt shooter. But to go back to the main topic here… Is Kobe a top ten guard of all time? Yes, I believe so…. Howevever I don’t see what all the hate is about? MJ never said that Kobe was #10, he said top 10… so Kobe could be #2, #5, or even #1 on his list…. why are we automatically assuming that MJ is putting Kobe at the bottom of the list? Think people…..

  363. Bole says:

    Are you serious? Kobe might be one of the top 5 players to ever play the game,but he’s not even close to Jordan.He’s got almost all the moves Jordan had,and some of his own,but the difference is that Jordan invtented all those moves,because noone did it before him.90% of the moves Kobe uses nowdays are the moves Jordan invented and noone else did it before him.Y’all are crazy trying to compare anyone to MJ.Kobe is just a reproductive player,Michael Jordan was an inventor,he invented today’s basketball,he made a revolution,and that’s why nothing or noone compares to him!

  364. carl says:

    For people to say the 90’s was full of nobodys must be young or just dont know anything about basketball. Lets list the people jordan played aginst. Magic in his prime magic was only in the league 8 years by the time jordan came in so he was in about the same time labron and D-wade have been in if your a rookie comeing into the NBA right now. Bird was in his prime. Isah thomas and joe dumars. Clyde the glyde. Hakeem and barkley. The mail man and stockton. Shaq and penny. Shaq and kobe. payton and shawn kemp. domniq wilkins the list goes on and on feel free to add names i forgot but he played at a time when there where more hall of famers to come out that 10 years then any other year. Lets look at the 2000’s and you could not name that many hall of famers. Now Kobe will go down as one of the grestest basketball players of all time. But look at Kobe anyone who has seen him and jordan will notice some strking simularities from the post fade awawy shot to the iconic jumpshot. Kobe will tell you that he pattens his game after Jordan. Kobe will go down as the second best shoothin gaurd and top 5 gaurds and top 10 players of alltime. my list looks like this
    M.Jordan
    M.Johnson
    W.Chamberlin
    O.Robertson
    B.Russell
    K.Bryant
    L.Bird
    T.Duncan
    J.Stockton
    Hakeem

  365. Hook says:

    Big up to the guy bringing AI in to this conversation…Iverson is a dead lock top 10 guards…no need to arguee.

  366. chitown all day says:

    right when kobe went into the leauge he had robert horry and shaq
    but when jordan went into the leauge he didnt have nothing
    he is and always will be the greatest

  367. big smooth says:

    here’s the Accomplishment of Jordan and Kobe in there careers and what they have done there’s no comparison jordan is way better LETS GO

    Michael Jordan (15 year Career)

    NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)

    Member of six NBA championship teams (1991-93, 1996-98)

    Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991-92, 1996, 1998)

    Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (1991-93, 1996-98)

    Ten-time All-NBA First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)

    All-NBA Second team (1985)

    Nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)

    NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)

    NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)

    NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)

    14 time Allstar (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98, 2002-2003)

    Three-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)

    Slam Dunk Champion (1987-1988)

    Holds All time regular season points per game average (30.12 per game)

    MJ scored 50 points or more 39 times in his career including playoffs (8 in playoffs)

    Holds all time playoffs points per game average (33.1 per game)

    Holds most points in a playoff game (63 points against Boston 1986)

    holds most points in the playoffs (5,987 points in just 179 playoff games)

    Scored 32,292 points in his career in the regular season in just 1072 games (3rd all time)

    Only triple Double ever done in a allstar game (1997 14pts, 11 reb, 11 assist)

    10 time Scoring Champion

    Feild goal average (49.7%)

    3 point average (32.7%)

    rebound average (6.2 rebounds)

    assist average (5.3 assist)

    steals average (2.35 steals)

    blocks average (0.83 blocks)

    free throw average (83.5%)

    playoff rebound average (6.4 rebounds)

    playoff assist average (5.7 assist)

    playoff steals average (2.10 steals)

    playoff blocks average (0.88 blocks)

    playoff field goal average (48.7%)

    playoff free throw average (82.8%)

    playoff 3 point average (33.2%)

    scored 32,292 points in his career in 1072 games in regular season

    scored 5,987 points in 179 games in playoffs

    Now Kobe Stats in his Career till Now

    Kobe Bryant (14 year Career and Present)

    # 5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)

    # 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)

    # NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)

    # 12× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2010)

    # 2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)

    # 8× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2010)

    # 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)

    # 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)

    # 8× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)

    # 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)

    # NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)

    # 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009)

    # NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1997)

    Scored 50 more points 25 times in his career (1 time in playoffs)

    average 25.3 points in his career in the regular season (11th best in history)

    feild goal average (45.5%)

    3 point average (32.9%)

    rebound average (5.3 rebounds)

    assist average (4.7 assist)

    steal average (1.5 steals)

    blocks average (0.6 blocks)

    Free throw average (83.8%)

    Playoff points per game (25.5 points per game)

    playoff 3 point average (33.7%)

    playoff free throw average (81.5%)

    playoff field goal average (44.8%)

    playoff rebounds average (5.2 rebounds)

    playoff assist average average (4.8 assists per game)

    playoff steals average (1.4 steals)

    playoff blocks average (0.7 blocks)

    scored 25,790 points in career in 1021 games in regular season

    scored 5,052 points in 198 games in playoffs

    Jordan is pretty much better than kobe in everything in this list, but kobe might past jordan cause hes gonna play more years than jordan, and jordan retired 2 times and missed 5 years in that time he probably could of won more titles and led the league in scoring mosts points.

    As you can see in the list Jordan increases his game in the playoffs from points, reb, ass, and all that, but as of kobe he still the same some decreased jordan is the greatest of all time.

    top 10 players of all time

    1. MJ
    2. Magic
    3. Bird
    4. Russell
    5. Wilt
    6.Oscar robertson
    7. Malone
    8. Shaq
    9. Tim Duncan
    10. Wilkens or Kobe

    top guards of all time

    1. MJ
    2. Magic
    3. Oscar
    4. John stockton
    5. payton
    6. wilkens
    7 kobe
    8. allen iverson
    9. jason kidd
    10. steve nash

    if kobe played in the 80’s or early 90’s he will not be that good he’s not that physical and back that the game was physical alot remember when kobe got beat up by chris childs lol that was funny, he would probaly have 1 title with his roster he has now. and if jordan was playing in this era he will kill everybody and crushed them and have more titles the game is soft now ron artest is prolly the strongest player in the league with shaq and there the only play physical

    straight up kobe is a copycat of jordan and he took his coach took his system triangle offense if he didn’t have phil and the triangle offense he wouldn’t be that great period.

    i’m not a kobe hater he would go down as top 3 best players of all time but never 1

    • Sandile says:

      whatever the stats Kobe does get to feature in the top ten. Back then he would have a problem with the physical aspects of what the game used to be, but he did not play then. But whatever may happen he is still in the your top Ten. with less accomplishments compared to MJ but the main one, he does feature in the Top ten with the likes of John stockton. Lets wait a while and see if he ever gets to be inducted in the hall of fame. just watch the space. I’m a Knick fan (Kobe) is the one.

    • Peter2010 says:

      To B smooth: If Kobe didn’t have Phil, triangle offense, he would pack his Stats to heaven. Nobody can ever reach.
      Remember 81 points game? That is not from triangle offense.

  368. pasigiri says:

    Kobe will never be MJ and nor will he ever try. Kobe is KOBE. He has done, done, doing, will do, and will have done his OWN THING. Blazed his own trail. AND IT’S STILL BURNING. Kobe is a top 10 of all time BECAUSE of that simple fact. And by golly it seems to be working for him. And now facing a 3 headed monster in it’s prime in South Beach, …. time to add another chapter to an awesome career.

  369. Black Mamba says:

    Yeah, I think jordans top 10 guard too 🙂

  370. Kobe is ok offensively... MJ era was really tough says:

    Until Kobe wins a Defensive player of the year award he has no right to be called greatest ever. To be the GOAT he must master all aspects of playing the game which Jordan has done. MJ won Defensive player of the year and league MVP at the same year. MJ shut down players he guarded plus scored like hell without choking. I hated MJ during his era because he beat out the 1995–96 Seatle Supersonics team, which had a franchise best 64–18 and 1992 Portland Trailblazers which had an almost similar record. When Charles Barkley’s Phoenix Suns made it to the finals with a 62 season win record I thought for sure MJ was going to get his long awaited defeat in the finals but then again MJ has sent that guy home without a ring and crushing everyone’s dream of a championship. The MJ era was a dark era for those who’s not a fan of Chicago. MJ ruled, dominated and denied anyone who wanted to win a championship over him. The Houston Rockets did it when MJ was in his baseball faze and if it wasn’t for the death of his dad and then baseball he would’ve won 2 more titles totaling 8 rings. It was certain he would’ve won 2 more if he had stayed and not played baseball because the roster of the team never actually changed significantly when he left and came back.

  371. alan says:

    KOBE IS THE 2ND BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME… NOT JUST GUARD AND PEOPLE JUST LOVE TO HATE ON THE TWO TIME FINALS MVP

  372. Morpheus says:

    It is better to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Damn!!! Ignorance truly is bliss….for some. To a few of you fan(atic)s – instead of just blurting out OUTRAGEOUS “eomtional opinions” that aren’t nor can be verified with FACTS- try saying something that can be substantiated with research of FACTS and qualitatively measured with true basketball knowledge and experience. And you’re probably saying – ” well, what do you have to contribute of that nature, Mr.Smartass”!! And my reply would be…..” alot”. But I’m so exhausted by the STRAIGHT GARBAGE being posted by some- not most- that I just passed the *&%#@! OUT!!!
    Next time you guys put your foot in your mouth with “just plain dumb and/or irrelevant” statements – you should wear your mint-flavored shoes!!! DAMN!!!! Holla if ‘Ya hear me!

  373. Dimez92 says:

    Michael Jordan to me is the face of basketball

    i don’t understand how people think that kobe is better then Micheal

  374. as says:

    Another hater? At the moment Mj is above Kobe, but not for much longer i think.

  375. raven says:

    I am one of the biggest kobe fans there are. I live in Ms and I’ve seen him play in person twice. I don’t have a problem with Jordan being no.1. The man did a lot for the game. But, saying Kobe is nowhere close is absurd, To me, they are tic for tac. I give jordan the nod because he revolutionized the game. Kobe is hands down the second best player to play the game. The work ethic and skill set is unbelievable. What makes people say kobe is better is when people say jerry west and magic johnson is better.No they are not. I give Jordan the nod. What makes me like kobe better is he overcame all odds. He shouldn’t come out of high school?, he’s too cocky?, he can’t win without shaq?, etc He overcame it all and all of the people that was saying that is saying all of the stupid stuff they can think of because they were wrong. U may not like him as a person but u can’t deny the skills. u can’t honestly say anyone else in the history of the game is better except MJ

  376. taylorh725 says:

    top 5 nothing kobe is the second GREATEST player of all time stop hitng jordan let someone else shine if kobe gets another ring thats a whole different discussion

    • rico says:

      Yeah everyone needs to jump off jordan’s package. If Kobe is better, give him a fair evaluation.

      I think jordan can sense that the time is soon that kobe is known as the best of all time and he’d start hearing his own name less, so he rates him low in hopes people follow his words and ignoranly not give kobe his due props.

  377. Felipe says:

    So Kobe’s 3 point % is 1 percent higher than Jordans…well Kobe’s career isnt over yet so it can get worse or better but he’s not touching Mike’s all around field % or scoring %. Again, in the playoffs, where it really counts, Jordan’s numbers and gameplay hasnt been touched. Facts r facts and everyone can have their own opinion but Kobe isnt near Jordan’s level yet. Win atleast 2 more championships Kobe and I will consider him being close but still, Jordan didnt have the team Kobe has and when u really look at the NBA now, its weak compared 2 the 90’s. The rules have made it weak because they want the games 2 have more scoring in it 2 attract more fans. Come on now people, put Shaq, Moses Malone, Patrick Ewing, Alonso Morning, Dominque Wilkens, MJ, Magic, ….(man I could name 100 or more guys) but put them in 2day’s NBA in their prime and see how easy they score 2. 2day’s NBA stacks alot of talent on a few teams and leaves the rest of the NBA looking like garbage. I’ve made the points i wanted 2 make. whether the Kobe fans agree or not it doesnt change the fact that Jordan is number 1 by far.

  378. Wiskid says:

    In the end, He will be the Greatest & will surpassed his Master/Mentor – his Airness, Michael Jordan!! Believe it or not!!:D

  379. MJ vs Kobe says:

    Is Kobe a top 10 player of all time? Simply put NO but he does have the time left to move up.

    Is Kobe a top 10 guard of all time? YES

    Who is better MJ or Kobe? MJ !!!! Heres why…

    1. MJ was the leader of the Bulls since his rookie season and the unquestioned dominat player of the team, the league., and their championships. Kobes first 3 rings came being 2nd best on his own team to Shaq. Remember that yes Kobe scored around 25 a game but alot of those points came off of double teams on Shaq so Kobe was left free at times to manuever. (Kobe said himself said these were championships that he actually lead the team too at 2)
    2. MJ shot 50% from the field for his CAREER and not for just a single season as Kobe has, who is an average shooter for his career at 45%.
    3. MJ was a better defender being defensive player of the year as many times as Kobe has been league MVP.
    4. All teams in basketball history have won championships with a dominant big man and periemter player except for the Bulls in the 90s. MJ was the Bulls post game as well as their perimeter threat. They had no big man that was worth anything. He did it all.
    5. MJs intangibles, determination, and leadership are far beyond Kobes at this point.
    6. MJ has been and still is an overall better scorer, passer, defender, and domnant/mvp player over their careers than Kobe. Check the stats, the awards, and #5 above.

  380. Jumpa says:

    First of all, MJ is the greatest of all time egotistical player. People base MJ’s greatness on his MVPs, which is something you get because you are well liked and most popular, that shouldn’t decide what greatness is. MJ did get 6 rings, but people have gotten 7, 8, and even 11. So what do you measure of MJ to make him the greatest, single game performance. so what would you compare kobes 81 to MJ’s? Kobes 63 points in 3 qts to MJ? Kobe outscoring an entire team to MJ’s? Kobe 4 straight 50 point games to MJ’s? You can’t. Michael Jordan was a great player but not anymore. Kobe has done something things michael has never done. Top 10 of all time doesn’t even exist, it should be top 5 all time. Larry Bird doesn’t even belong in the league. Jerry West wouldn’t even make the practice squad of a high school team in this era. When its all said and done Kobe will go down as the greatest. Some of you have Tim duncan being better than Kobe?? are you kidding me? Brandon Jennings?? Shaq?? you must be out of your mind. MVPS don’t count, most people don’t like kobe because of the colorado incident. Most people don’t like lebron because of the decision. So what? You want to know who has better skills or who has a better personality? Its clear that michael had nothing on Kobe. Kobe was a better shooter, closer, and a scorer (81 points). Michael couldn’t even hit the 70s, which David Robinson did.

    1. Kobe Bryant
    2. Magic Johnson
    3. Michael Jordan
    4. Dwade
    5. LBJ

  381. doomsday20 says:

    to felipe very well said nice job pretty good job all of the kobe fans must read that before they say kobe is better than jordan com-on guys read the facts and the facts are truth jordan is the best nba ever had….

  382. jim ward says:

    Kobe Bryant is one of the top ten guards, but definitely not one of the top ten players. He is not at the level of Jordan, West, Robertson or Magic. He is comparable to Drexler, Havlicek, Cousy and Stockton.

  383. Yoann says:

    I don’t like Kobe. But MJ is no.1 ever for sure.
    The second best SG of all time at this point is Kobe.
    Of all guards put together though, I would say Kobe is def. top 5, but I don’t think he’s second.
    He would prob. be 3rd after Magic. What Magic could do on the floor and what he’s accomplished is, to me, clearly a level on top of Kobe. He would be 3rd or 4th…

    But this is irrelevant anyways, because LBJ will be a better player than Kobe has been by the end of his career.
    But amongst SG, yes Kobe’s second.

  384. Dari says:

    Kobe is not even close to the top 10 all time best player list…every players under the list is a better player than kobe
    1, Michael Jordan
    2. Wilt
    3. Bill
    4. Magic
    5. Jabbar
    6. Oscar
    7. Bird
    8. Dr J
    9. Shaq
    10.Hakeem

  385. OscarRobertson says:

    ARE YOU GUYS CRAZY….Oscar Robertson is the greatest guard of all time. Jordan is a media whore. He does this sh*t for attention. Jordan is like the Basketball Media darling sweetheart,this guy is pampered more than a baby’s ass. You guys act like Jordan didn’t Hand-check or play physical. you say Kobe got his moves from MJ, but who did MJ get his moves from??? Huh EXACTLY, MJ is taking credit for everything people did before him.no doubt Jordan is Better than kobe, BUT Oscar Robertson is still the G.O.A.T. Kobe has a better shooting,Ball Handing and passing Ability ON THE OTHER HAND Jordan is more Physical and Better Defensively due to his huge ass hands.You guys are ignoring the fact that Rodman has 7 Rebounding Titles and he made NBA Defensive First Team 7 TIMES!!! and Jordan had a Terrific SF.Soo who needed more help? Kobe has Shaq, Jordan has Rodman and Scottie.Stop Hugging Jordan Nuts, He aint the best Oscar Robertson is! Then Magic THEN Jordan THEN Kobe.This guy Jordan walks around like He owns everything about basketball, this guy is a F*cking Goofball desperate for attention,First he says kobe is just Under him now he says he only top 10.This guy says whatever it takes for the Media to ride his nuts.

  386. rob from cali says:

    OK… for those of you that feel Jordan didnt have help you probably too young to remember. Besides Pippen lets seeeee.. John Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright’s elbows, Horace Grant. All these guys average in the 2 digits. Both Kobe and MJ have the same help so stop putting extras on it. When you have people calling themselves the Kobe stopper over and over and over again and what happens THEY ALL FALL DOWNNN…. Ruben Patterson, Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen and now two teammates Ron Artest and Matt Barnes, i guess they said hell Im gettin me a ring !!
    I have to get this out yall but if the NBA dont put a stop to letting teams get multiple superstars on the same team the league will crumble. Its sad to say that half the teams in the league people dont want to see. Kobe all the way Yallll

  387. NelyD says:

    Okay the only thing irritating me about a lot of your arguments are that I keep reading that MJ didn’t have a strong team. He had some of the most dominant forces of his generation playing on his team, and they all did something particularly well that added to MJ’s skill set. Someone also mentioned that Kobe isn’t tough because he’s mentioned that he plays at 60%, etc. and because he doesn’t get in the paint for rebounds and what not. Kobe Bryant isn’t a particularly large player and his position does not require him to need to be in the paint, why would he risk unnecessary injury to fulfill duties that aren’t his. As far as his physical toughness, the guy continues to play and finds ways to dominate despite his injuries. Anyone that has ever touched a basketball can tell you that jamming your finger is pretty painful, imagine playing a full regular season and post season and taking a title with a broken shooting finger. Kobe has a team full of very talented players behind him , but so do a lot of other teams, the difference between them and him is that he has rings. All the hype around LBJ and the man has yet to prove anything substantial. At the end of the day if you have kobe and MJ on the court one on one best out of five, the outcome could not be predicted, Mj will take some but so will kobe. And if you put MJ’s bulls against Kobes lakers you would see one of the most competitive games of basketball you’ll ever see. Kobe proves day in and day out that he is one of the top guards ever to play the game, he has been dominant since he was 18 and understands the game on a different level than most.

  388. Joel says:

    TOP TEN PLAYERS OF ALL TIME

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Lebron James
    3. Kobe Bryant
    4. Magic Johnson
    5. Oscar Robertson
    6. Kevin Garnett
    7. Dwayne Wade
    8. Bill Russell
    9. Shaquille O’Neil
    10. Steve Nash

    • JOHN says:

      LeBron, Kobe, Wade, O’Neil, Nash all of them out!! Karl Malone, Larry Bird, John Stockton, Chamberlain, Pete Maravich get in!!

    • LakersWillWin says:

      LOL BILL RuSSEL AT 8 WITH LEBRON AT 2?
      Wow

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

      are you dumb? How you going put Lebron and Wade in top 10 all time when they have only played seven years in the league, just half of a career, lol you are a idiot, its no question lmao

    • Matias says:

      1) Jordan
      2) Magic Johnson
      3) Wilt Chamberlain
      4) Larry Bird
      5) Dr J
      6) Kobre Bryant
      7) Bill Russel
      8) Shaq
      9) Garnett
      10) Steve Nash

  389. danito says:

    like really jordan, u always talked about how great kobe is and hows he better than lebron, and his game very similar to you, now that he is very close to pass u, u say he is a top ten. thats not right, if kobe gets his 6th champ. i think he l be number 1 of all time great

  390. Mjsound says:

    AIght Mj Revolutionize everything! I mean Everything If you are not from Mj’s Era you would not Understand that because All you hear and see was Kobe this and that! You have to remember MJ Competes with a lot of Great Talent and it was Mooooreee Physical back then no ticki tack Calls! Kobe had played back in the 90’s with mj teaching hime tricks etc. So I understand what Mj feels to Toronto when Kobe scores 81 points! In the 90’s that will have never happen with out Bruises and experience the old Jordan Rules! Being Beat up! Just watch some of the Chicago Pistons games how Jordan was up in the air and being knock down by the AKA Bad Boys!Detroit Pistons! Kobe’s Era is too soft! Remember when Mj Cameback from Washington Wizards @ the age of 40 Scores 50 points just about every other night! You cant compare that ! Mj is the best all time legend!

  391. Felipe says:

    The NBA rules have changed since Jordan left 2 make it much easier 2 score and make it almost impossible 2 play real defense. Like i said the refs r very quick 2 blow the whistle so u have goes going 2 the free throw line much more often than ever. What are all stars now compared to the 90’s really? why do you think there are 3 or 4 allstars on 1 team in recent years? Because the NBA is not well rounded like it used to be. Why do you think there are so many teams winning 50 games in 1 season but so many teams that cant even win 20-25 games? Back in the 90’s there were atleast 2 allstar worthy players on every team. no1 in this era is better than Jordan or Magic. No point guard is better than stockton. What point guards in 2day’s game r even better than Kevin Johnson or Tim Hardaway? How about when Shaq was in his prime, do u think there is any1 playing now that is better than he was? Bottom line Shaq was the leader of the Lakers for Kobe’s 1st 3 championships. He was the better scoring, he was grabbing the rebounds, he was playing the better defense, and he was the 1 kicking the ball out 2 Kobe and other players so they could make a wide open shot. Theres a reason why Shaq was getting the Finals MVP. Because his game got better and Kobe’s didnt. Kobe is much better than he was now but he wasnt doing anything without Gasol coming there and fisher coming back. Lets not 4get Ron Artest was huge for them last year. But really people, put Jordan in his prime in this era of basketball and he would average 50 points a game. Kobe stole Jordan’s moves but he cant do them better. As u can see in my earlier post he could never shoot better than Jordan. The better all around players were in the 90’s era people…Scoring doesnt make u the better player, its about what else u can do 2 make ur team better.

  392. bigpoppapump184 says:

    Kobe is prob going to go down as the best player of his era….that’s it, I’m no Mike fan, in fact I hated his guts all through his career(knick fan here) but i must agree, to be great you have to make people better around you. Kobe has never seemed to capture that. He is a great scorer and he is in my top ten, but number 2 to mike, lets not be ridiculous. The big O is still my number one gaurd of all time, especially considering there was no 3 point line….imagine what he could have averaged, reasonably 10000 more points.

    • Peter2010 says:

      Kobe made Smush Parker playing like very quality Point Guard. Wher he is playing now?
      What make you think D Fisher can still play starter in Champs’ team?
      Trevor Ariza, S Brown, even Ron Artest achieves by following Kobe.
      OK, Pau, Do you know Pau couldn’t win a single playoff game with Menphis? If you consider Pau, now the best big man, it’s because of Kobe made him. Who, by then, thought Pau is better than Dirk? No body, Period.

  393. doomsday20 says:

    to all koby fans kobe cant win champinships without bigs shaq and gasol and pg fisher where is kobe without them fighting for the 8 spots eating by the top seeded team kobe could not win championships without the shots of robert horry fisher and today ron artest and gasol the three of fishers in orlando game the three of robert horry i dont know y kobe is the finals mvp in cel vs lal artest did it all in the last game in the 3pt area at the two pt area artest save the trophy for kobe and fisher save the trophy once again in orlando mj did it all to win all his championships and all his accomplishments whether he is injured or sick he give his best but im tired of this full of arguments that’s y their is all the facts to see whose got the good grades and accomplishments but know im looking forward to see kobe and lal will go down and beat by the 8 seeded team these season but if not happen they will not going to make a 3peat kobe is done but mj will always be remembered just like all of his shoes and endorsement and i think he is the 2nd or third reaches in the sports today and so on behind tiger woods right owe those kobe has endorsement and couple off shoes i dont think so the best shoes ever is mj and the best player in the nba all time and those kobe has a movie like mj has and i dont think it would happen and those kobe play all 3 major sports i dont think so but i think only 1 basketball only just accpet it kobe and all of kobe’s fans that jordan is the best nba player would ever had in the entire nba and the future will know that…. that’s all folks..

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

      if you going keep riding this SHAQ/GASOL train then you have to do the same for MJ. So if Gasol and Shaq means no championships for Kobe that means no Pippen equals no championships for Jordan, the door has to swing both ways. Dont say one thing about Kobe and then excuse Jordan from it. Your pathetic bruh..

    • Peter2010 says:

      Have to use double standard to win??

  394. Ian says:

    1) Jordan

    2) Johnson (Magic)

    3) Lebron (by the end)

    4) Kobe

  395. easy says:

    “Does anyone remember Kobe’s performance in the playoffs (when he made it to the playoffs) from 2005-2007? He was a choke artist passing the rock afraid of the Phoenix Suns blistering defence (sarcasm). He even choked in the final game of the playoffs last year and was saved by the rest of his team. None of that would have ever happened to Jordan. Kobe has one advantage over Jordan. 3pt shooting. Jordan had an inhuman will to win which made him almost unstopable. Jordan’s clutch shooting was second to none. If I had to choose any person in basketball history to take the last shot in a game, it would be Jordan and Kobe’s not even on the list. Kobe fans are so easy to spot with their completely irrational love for the man with no evidence to back up their claims. He is a good scorer and probably the best guard in the league…oh wait there is Kevin Durant.” you serious??.. first 05-07 playoffs he was alone… he did a game winner he didnt choke….wth is wrong with u…. after that NO ONE SHOWED up… and he said forget this… i score 81 points in regular season to win a game…. out score whole team by 3rd quarter by my self… to have a chance to win…. game buzzer beater … after that he just gave up…. and basicly said… if u aint gonna help me i wouldnt play and i wanna get traded….he wanted some help he got tired ….. choked last years finals??.. yea bad shoting night… with a broken finger and not 100% leg… sure bash on his stats…. but he did make that shot to go up by 4… and got 15 rebounds… its not all about scoring because he already did that… he has proved he can score 81 points or out score the other team by him self….

  396. Vlad says:

    Jordan’s last shot as a bull won his 6th championship its a storybook ending and proves jordan holds the goat tittle due to divine intervention its just the faith…it is what it is

  397. Antwann Jones says:

    I totally understand why people were and still are enamored with Michael Jordan’s athletic ability. His ability to put the ball in the hole from the guard position is without rival. Having acknowledged that, I confidently make the statement that Magic Johnson is the greatest player to ever play the game of basketball. Magic Johnson truly REVOLUTIONIZED the guard position. Kobe Bryant is not Michael Jordan, but he is real close. Magic has no peer. Magic went to the finals 9 times in 12 years. Magic scored, rebounded, and certainly passed the ball. Anyone who truly understands the game knows for a fact that Magic could have averaged 35 points per game if he chose to do so. The scoring feats that Jordan and Kobe accomplished don’t carry a lot of weight in terms of the end result. Jordan has one more championship than Magic, and Magic and Kobe are tied with five rings apiece. Magic’s career was cut short effectively by age 32 or 33. The same age Kobe is now. Wow! Jordan nor Kobe could have come into the N.B.A during the leagues “Golden Years” at the age of 19 and put up 42pts, 9rebs, 15assts in the finals. You can point out all the 50 and 81 point games, but as previously stated the scoring doesn’t carry much weight when the results were almost identical in terms of championships. We can argue for the sake of arguing, but once the “buzz” of Jordan and Kobe’s athletic ability wears off, Magic will still be the ONLY 6’9 point guard in N.B.A history that played the game the way it was meant to be played better than ANY PLAYER before or after him has ever played the game. PERIOD!!!!!

  398. anki says:

    Kobe sucks big time…..If not for SHAQ and Gasol he will never won a championship ring….

  399. Secret says:

    How come Reggie Miller is barely on anyone’s list?

  400. duy says:

    how can you claim jordan to be the best when all the championships he won was only because of scottie pippen ( HALL OF FAMER) there was not one championship that jordan won without pippen.

  401. Banks says:

    Lebron James has better stats than both Kobe and Jordan…and he’s still YOUNG on an unstoppable team now…..

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

      ummm Lebron has better stats because unlike Kobe and MJ he doesnt shoot many jumpshots, yeah he shoots them sometimes, but he misses alot. He has a high field goal percentage because he just powerhouses in the paint to the basket at full speed, defenders either get out the way from fear of his big body or get knocked down. Ramming up in the paint and throwing up a shot is not SKILL, Lebron just has freakish physical abiliy. 70% of Kobe’s shots are mid-range jumpers something he has developed a good stroke for with injured fingers many of times, start hyping Lebron

  402. MR.ESPN says:

    Jordan didn’t really make Pippen, Pippen avg 24pts 3 stl 4 asst out of college, and shot 60% never was he a scrub, just a perfect combination to be with Jordan, he gaurded the hardest guys day in day out in the league his best year was 22pts 8reb 5asst, its the triangle, put Durant in Triangle he is getting 40 easy, put him on Lakers he is the best ever. But back to Jordan Kobe, Both are my favorite players, its an era thing, Jordan best of his era Kobe best of his, coming in the league Kobe was high energy guy, in the triangle he had to slow down alot, Kobe is beter shooter, Jordan master of getting to the goal. thats a diffrence with them, B.J. good guard, streaky, now he isnt under the radar and he will get the business each night. shouldnt be in convo.

    • Cuzn Deer says:

      B.J. was under the radar when he came into the league trash talking. The Bucks played the Heat and before the game B.J. said Charlie Bell was the D Wade stopper then Bell went on to shut Wade down. In the playoffs he said he knew the Bucks could beat the Hawks when they were down 0 – 2 then the Bucks went on to win three straight. Teams are very well aware of who this kid is.

  403. easy says:

    “well the main thing is kobes not top 10 more like number 2 and lebrons number 1 in the league” lmao!!!…. are u serious? this is all time…. ALL TIME… lebron isnt even in top 10…. obviously for one reason he has no championship… thats like putting pipen after lebron james…. the guy is a monster physical.. etc… but lacks a lot of things(mentality) to become from Great to legend atm.

  404. Rale says:

    People,we should leave Kobe to finish his career and then start talking about Kobe vs MJ.He will play at least 4 years more.

  405. Jojo says:

    Alot of you guys that post on here are idiots in my opinion teams win championships a dominant big man doesn’t guarantee you championships you bafoons Shaq was dominant in Orl with Penny who was arguably the second best guard in the NBA for like 2 or 3 yrs but couldn’t win a chip you guys always knock Kobe but what about Shaq for not having to win anything when it mattered most in those championships was Shaq the 1s taking the big shots? Ponder on that Kobe averaged damn near 30 in the finals against the NETS when they swept them and he was a lockdown defender Shaq didn’t have to guard any1 of course all his energy was spent on the offensive end do your research the wing players in this league r alot better than when Jordan played do you guys really believe Mitch Richmond or Reggie Miller could’ve defended a Dwayne Wade or Tracy McGrady in his prime they would give them DEATH the NBA is alot faster n stronger now than it was back in those times n to touch on the Jordan situation he is the GOAT but the MAMBA is a close second if not 1A in my opinion if Kobe never owned then League then neither did Jordan because he couldn’t get pass the pistons for yrs nor the celtics it wasn’t till the arrival of scottie that he finally made the leap give credit where credit is due ppl stop taking away from that man’s accomplishments Kobe’s a great player keep in mind he started in a ALL-STAR game in the Jordan Era @ only 18-19 yrs just remember that n had he been playing from day 1 his #s would’ve looked alot better than they do now

    • Jojo says:

      to clear up another thing Shaq never won anything without a dominant wing player everytime that won had great players if not very good role players n to be honest if we had to play the Lakers in the 2000s vs the bulls championship teams I’d put my $$$ on kobe n the Lakers but Jordan also had a great deal of role players around so stop making it seem as if MJ won by himself Scottie’s a HOF TOP 50 GREATEST PLAYER NUFF SAID and did you guys forget that Ron Harper was a big time scorer before he got to the Bulls so he wasn’t a slouch n if u wanna know about Rodman well ask the MAILMAN WHO DELIVERED WHEN THEY PLAYED just food for thought

  406. Hook says:

    1. MJ
    2. Big O
    3. Magic
    4. West
    5. Kobe
    6. Stockton
    7. Thomas
    8. Cousy…think number 5 is still within the counts of top10…you could say top5, but that leaves out all the controversy, and that wouldn’t be typical Jordan, would it?

  407. mike23 says:

    it amazes me that on everyones list of top ten guards they fail to mention a man wth these stats:
    GAMES PLAYED – 914
    GAMES STARTEDD – 901
    POINTS – 24,368
    REG SEASON AVG – 26.7
    PLAYOFF AVG – 21.2
    ALL THIS W/O ANY REAL QUALITY HELP
    ALLEN IVERSON LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM YOU HAVE TO PUT HIS NAME IN THE TOP TEN

  408. Baketball fan no player fan! says:

    Ja,ja
    take into account the statistics and not their accomplishments. MJ play in an era where players had not as dominant as him. MJ is the most amazing player but not the best or most complete. that taking into account their statistics. KB is better 3-point shooter has better ball handling and play in an era where the PF and C are hybrids have power are faster and are more complete.

    Now my 10 SG or combo Guards
    Only statistics do not account their achievements!

    1) Oscar Robertson
    2) Magic Johnson
    3) Larry Bird * is a SF but he could play SG
    4) MJ
    5) K Bryant
    6) Pete Maravich
    7) Julius Erving
    8) Jason Kidd
    9) Georges Gerving
    10) Jerry West * tied with Drazen Petrovic had he not died

    * NOTE: SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH

  409. Ottawa says:

    TOP 10 EVER
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE
    KOBE

  410. RussGotRings says:

    kobe being compared to jordan is all hype. look at all the available information. especially the defensive numbers along wit assists. …and no one compares to mj in pts per game except for wilt. no one compares to mj in best player on a championship team which he has 6. kobe got 2 of 5 cuz 3 were on shaq’s back. (russel got the most though) kg has more career assists than kobe. the game is about rings though so 5 rings even if u had shaq is not bad. kobe is the mfn man but plz quit wit the over hyping and exaggerations.

  411. Phil says:

    Ima have to agree that kobe is top 10. I dont love him because im a Celtics fan but this guy can play. Period. But to me, he doesn’t have that mental toughness and composure i think that MJ had. When MJ’s father passed and he won the championship, that took a lot. Most people would have cracked. So, overall Kobe, great player but definitely no MJ.

  412. Ottawa says:

    KOBE IS THE BEST BASKETBALL PLAYER EVER PERIOD. JORDANS HAS NOTHING ON KOBE. YALL SMOKING YAMZ TO THINK OTHERWISE

  413. Kevin says:

    I hate when people say that kobe wasn’t the leader of La when Shaq played,they both were leaders and you can’t take that away from none of them…Shaq stacked up points,rebounds and blocks,while Kobe stacked poijnts,some assists and steals,Plus some great lateral defence and other things,Kobe deserved to win those finals mvps as much as shaq did,just like he deserved at least six or more mvps in this league and he was robbed for almost all of them…when they won against indiana and shaq fouled out,who brought them to victory;kobe did..Like some people need to step your basketball IQ up..and just because you hate a player,doesn’t mean the player is not great…This era of nba has eveolved and the game has evolved way more than when Jordan played,more premiere players,more superstars, allstars and stars in general….Like I know there was hand check back then,but there was also a no zone rule,which played in to player like mj’s favour because he was able to isolate more…but now a days there is a no hand check rule and you are allowed to play zone;which means,teams can crowd up the key and the court and it is way easier to help when someone penetrates a zone,which mean Jordan would of had to shoot more 3 pointers than he would of like to and we all know he wasn’t really a good 3 point shooter…In today’s game it’s a must,you need to be able to shoot 3’s and Kobe is a great 3 point shooter…but all in all…PLayers of today deserve more respect than players back then because of the evolution of basketball and as it moves forward,it progress and gets better and talent gets better….like do you really think larry bird would of been able to guard someone like lebron,carmelo,kobe,wade,durant,tmac in his prime etc becuase i could go on..,come on y’all lets be realistic,the amount of premiere point guards we have on every team in the nba is crazy,like atleast 14 of them can be allstars in the allstar game,especially our 2guards,small forwards,power forwards(only charles barkley,dennis rodman,karl malone andchris webber would be able to really compete with our power forwards of today)the centers are balanced out a bit from today and in jordan’s time becuase olajuwan,sabonis,ostertag,shaq,,david robinson,horace grant etc and us with dwight howard,yao ming,bynum,lopez brothers,al jefferson,) but all in all our generation of ball is way harder than in JORDAN’S TIME AND IT HAS WAY MORE TALENT..SO IF HE WAS TO SCORE 100 POINTS,IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER IN HIS TIME (AND I’M NOT BIAST,JORDAN AND KOBE ARE MY TWO FAVORITE PLAYERS OF ALL TIME)

    • bigpoppapump184 says:

      Kevin, i’m not a Jordan fan ,but lets be serious….when the diesel was around numer 8 was robin….if that wasnt the case he would have gotten one of those MVPs shaq won for the finals….he’s good even great, but he was not the man on that team. Mike played second fiddle to no one, that’s like saying Gasol is the man on the Lakers… stop. I understand you like Kobe but lets not be foolish.

  414. Big Game James Posey says:

    In Jordan’s era, there was much, much less talent then there has been in recent years in the NBA. Still Kobe Stands alone at the top, so much so that you got three guys in Miami trying to knock him off. Point is Kobe is still able to distinguish himself as the best player in a league full of all-stars, while Jordan did not have so much competition. A lot of people don’t like Kobe because of his personality, but if your half as good as him, you can afford to act “cocky”/confident because you can back it up. In the 2008 Bejing Olympics, full of all stars (wade, bron, dwight, bosh), every player admitted that they had never seen a player with the work ethnic that Kobe has. He was the first to be in the gym and last to leave. Kobe has made himself great, he is the hardest working player in the NBA, so for Jordan to talk about him like this is just disrespectful.

  415. six6heat says:

    jordan
    kobe
    magic
    stockton
    west
    kidd
    isiah
    oscar
    cousy
    payton

  416. Felipe says:

    Props 2 the people on here that really know basketball and see the huge difference between MJ and Kobe. MJ’s leadership was way better and almost every aspect of MJ’s game was way better and when it came 2 the playoffs, there is no1 any where near MJ. oh and i see people trying 2 say the comp has been way tougher in Kobe’s championships, what r u guys on? Every team MJ and the Bulls beat 2 win a championship was better than every team Kobe has faced except for the Celtics. Magic’s Lakers was better than the Celtics from last year and Jordan and the Bulls squashed them 4-1. I saw some1 say the Pistons team that beat Kobe’s Lakers for the championship was a better team than Jordan has ever faced. Man u really dont know basketball. The Pistons in the late 80’s and 1990 was wayyyy better. Here is something I posted on another site 2 months ago. Kobe fans feel free 2 check the numbers im putting up here and if the numbers and all the other facts im about 2 put up here dont convince of who is better then nothing will.
    I will start with the career stats and awards

    Kobe Bryant
    PPG 25.26 (11th in NBA history) – APG 4.7 – RPG 5.3 – SPG 1.5 – BPG 0.6 – and turnovers per game 2.92
    Free Throws 84% – Field Goals 46% – Three pointers 34%

    His best all around season: 2002/2003 – PPG 30.0 – APG 5.9 – RPG 6.9 – SPG 2.2 – BPG 0.8 – TPG 3.51
    Free Throws 84% – Field Goals 45% – Three pointers 38%

    His best scoring season: 2005/2006 PPG 35.4 (including his 81 point game 2nd best in NBA history)
    Scoring Titles: 2 – 2006, 2007
    Season MVP: 1 – 2008

    Playoff career stats and awards
    PPG 25.5 – APG 4.8 – RPG 5.2 – SPG 1.4 – BPG 0.7 – TPG 2.94
    Free Throws 82% – Field Goals 45% – Three pointers 34%
    NBA Championships: 5 – 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010
    Finals MVP awards: 2 – 2009, 2010

    Michael Jordan
    PPG 30.12 (1st in NBA history) – APG 5.3 – RPG 6.2 – SPG 2.4 – BPG 0.8 – TPG 2.73
    Free Throws 84% – Field Goals 50% – Three pointers 33%

    His best all around season: 1988/1989 – PPG 32.5 – APG 8.0 – RPG 8.0 – SPG 2.89 – BPG 0.8 – TPG 3.58
    Free Throws 85% – Field Goals 54% – Three pointers 28%

    His best scoring season: 1986/1987 PPG 37.1
    Rookie of the Year – 1985
    Defensive Player of the Year: 1 – 1988
    Scoring Titles: 10 (best in NBA history) – 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998
    Season MVP: 5 – 1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998

    Playoff career stats and awards
    PPG 33.4 – APG 5.7 – RPG 6.4 – SPG 2.1 – BPG 0.9 – TPG 3.05
    Free Throws 83% – Field Goals 49% – Three pointers 33%
    NBA Championships: 6 – 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998
    Finals MVP Awards: 6 – 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998

    Those r the facts. Here r my Opinions based on the facts:
    Its obvious MJ was a much better scorer. 10 scoring titles to 2. The free % and 3 point % was just about even 4 their careers. MJ’s field % was much better and so was his points per game. MJ was also better at Assists, rebounding, and steals. Their blocks and turnovers were about even. In MJ’s era the NBA played much better defense and MJ still scored easy. In Kobe era now, the ref dont let the players play defense like they did 10 years ago. If MJ was in his prime and playing in 2day’s NBA he would probably be putting up over 50 points per game.

    In the playoffs when it really counts, MJ’s numbers r way better and as u can see MJ was the Finals MVP every season
    the Bulls won the NBA Championship. That means he led his team to 6 championships. Kobe has 5 rings but Shaq was the 1 that led the Lakers to the 1st 3 championships that Kobe was apart of. Kobe has 2 Finals MVP’s because he did lead his team for the last 2 championships. There seem 2 be alot of people out there now that r saying Kobe is better than MJ was. There r other people who say when Kobe gets his 6th ring he will be better than MJ ever was. Then there r those who say Kobe is as good as MJ was.I like Kobe as a player and he is in my top 5 players of all time but 2 be honest the NBA is soft right now. Refs 2 quick 2 blow the whistle. They dont allow real defense 2 be played. Then there r players that get a sore toe and miss a few games. Kobe’s numbers went waaay up when the NBA changed this way. In my opinion Kobe wont be close 2 MJ til he gets 4 more championships as the team’s leader. Im not a Lakers or Kobe hater and I welcome any arguement on this topic. These r all my opinions and in my opinion, looking at the history of the NBA with the different rules and competition, MJ is the best player of all time.

  417. Rej says:

    I don’t think we could ever properly compare the greatest. The greatest guards who played are scattered in different eras of basketball. Different eras mean different styles, rules, systems, so even if we say its still basketball those things affect the games and whoever came up on top (winning titles and possibly MVP’s) should be given due credit of being the best during their time. And to make a top ten greatest guards list we should consider the rankings of the basketball generations first.

  418. nernst says:

    stop crying like little girls!!! What oversensitve crybaby gets offended, if you say kobes one of the top10 guards of all times.

    Notice Jordan said “guards”. Are all you kobe lovers sure that in the histoy of the game there is not 1 guard, not one (except MH himself), who arguably might be better or just as good as kobe? Think about it!

    and you hangtime bloggers: Stop inflation such a non-issue! Thanks

  419. hunter says:

    Does anyone remember Kobe’s performance in the playoffs (when he made it to the playoffs) from 2005-2007? He was a choke artist passing the rock afraid of the Phoenix Suns blistering defence (sarcasm). He even choked in the final game of the playoffs last year and was saved by the rest of his team. None of that would have ever happened to Jordan. Kobe has one advantage over Jordan. 3pt shooting. Jordan had an inhuman will to win which made him almost unstopable. Jordan’s clutch shooting was second to none. If I had to choose any person in basketball history to take the last shot in a game, it would be Jordan and Kobe’s not even on the list. Kobe fans are so easy to spot with their completely irrational love for the man with no evidence to back up their claims. He is a good scorer and probably the best guard in the league…oh wait there is Kevin Durant.

  420. Alex says:

    Top Guards of All-Time
    1.M. Jordan-Greatest Of All time period
    2.M. Johnson-Showtime lakers
    3.J. West- Mr. NBA
    4.O.Robertson-Mr. Triple Double
    5.G. Gervin-The Iceman score at will with his ‘finger roll’
    6.E. Monore- Black Jesus
    7.C. Frazier- Best point guard to wear a Knicks Uniform
    8.J. Erving- Dr. J
    9.P. Mavorich- Over 40 points per game in college
    10.D. Petrovic- Started the Euro trend
    11.K. Bryant- 81 points
    12.C. Drexler- Clyde the glide drexler . One of the top guards in the 90’s
    13.J. Stockton-NBA’s all time in assist and steals
    14.A. Iverson-Change the image of the game, greatest little man to play the game
    15.K. Johnson-Hakeem knows why
    16.D. Wade-lead heat to 06 title
    17.R. Miller-Miller Time anyone?

  421. Miami Heat says:

    Kobe is better!

  422. Trill says:

    sorry every1 but durant is better right now and will prove 2 b better than mj maybe depending how the game will change. not denying kb gr8ness but hes only a gr8 scorer he doesn’t get very many rebounds, assist, steals, or a complete game only his scoring numbers r high but for sum reason i think that’ll all change this year because he’s getting older. durant should of gotten mvp last year his number r amazing. durant is in the top 10 forwards no doubt and mj will always be the gr8st player till kb gets a 7 rings and a defensive mvp defense and offense gentlemen both make a true phenom

  423. Yao Ming says:

    Hey guys kobe raped a girl

  424. Amadeus Mozart says:

    I know that not a single person on this site will agree with me, but I will take that it is because of your “NBA only” context when judging on the subject. I grew up witnessing the carriers of Bird, Magic, Jordan and I’ve also seen Kobe and others – all champions and sometimes hard to make a choice between them. My subjective choice of the greatest ever basketball player on Earth: Dražen Petrović.

  425. benz says:

    1.For me the only thing that seperate the two is the ability to pass the ball and make others better.Kobe could’nt win a game if his not scoring(check the preseason games)
    2.toughness MJ could drive and dunk on everybody without any fear.The closest to this is Dwade and ginobili.
    3.try to win a championship game with a flu anybody no-one(kobe always says im only 40-60 % operational ,rubbish you can win if you want if your good ,who could verify that your only 40-60%)
    4.Its just the later part of your playing year that you learn to be a team player.your selfish during the time when shaq went to miami.thats why you ended up fighting with phil jackson that year and he decided to semi retire.
    Finally your lucky MJ put you on top 10 if its up to around top 20,hey I say if its up to me.
    nothing personal,to all laker fans apology but reality sucks.

  426. mike says:

    Well I feel MJ, but I can’t agree. KB is in the 10 players and top 5 guards to play ball. Someone said Tim Duncan in the top 10 player . Not at all. Maybe to 20 players , but not top 10. When It comes to closers there are only two in my book with one to come. MJ and KB. My 3rd pick would be Dwade. But that’s for another time. #8

  427. Devon says:

    Top 10 players of all time :
    1, Michael Jordan
    1a. Kobe Bryant
    3. Kareem Abdul Jabaar
    4. Magic Johnson
    5. Bill Russell
    6. Wilt Chamberlain
    7. Larry Bird
    8. Karl Malone
    9. Julius Erving
    10. Oscar Robertson

    Top 10 Guards of all time :
    1. Michael Jordan
    1a. Kobe Bryant
    3. Magic Johnson
    4. John stockton
    5. jerry West
    6. Isaiah thomas
    7. Walt frazier
    8. Bob Cousy
    9. John havlicek
    10. Dwayne Wade.

  428. six6heat says:

    People need to stop the kobe hate..kobe is the second best player in the nba ever….people always throw shaq name in the conversation on why kobe won. jordan had pipen and history best 3 point % shooter in kerr and the leagues best rebounder in rodman and the best 6th man in kukoc…the group he had in his first 3 peat was slightly better…with horace grant in his prime was a beast on the defensive end and had a deadly 15 foot jumper. bj armstrong shot well over 40% from the 3 point line and they also had hodges who shot 49% and the always had centers that didn’t occupy the lane, so the driving lanes stayed open for jordan and pipen….jordan is #1 but kode is #2, he would have to win at least 7 to top jordan or take down this years dream team the Heat….If he beats the heat that will be better than any chip jordan won.

  429. VinceC says:

    The only problem with kobe is that he came after jordan, if the eras were switched then it would be is jordan going to be better than kobe cuz at the same stage in his career jordan would have 3 rings to kobe 5…. and not quite yet reched his pure shooting skill yet…hmmmmm. Anyway you look at it these two players dominate in there time and have a inner drive to win that ive only seen in my OPINION in kobe mj dwade KG and new to the list kevin durant and some others. Once again in my opinion kobe is a better pure shooter than jordan at this stage in his career but i wouldnt bet against ether of these two guys cuz they both are beast at what they do… and thats kill the hopes and dreams of the other teams they play.

  430. Devon says:

    Top 10 players of all time
    1. Michael Jordan

  431. jimt says:

    look,this is a conversation to have in july not now.that being said,Kobe IS top 5 material and will move into 2nd and not !st:)

  432. Federico says:

    Jordan is nr 1, no dubt about it, but I also think that Kobe deserves respect for what it is an outstanding career. he´s the lakers all time leader in scoring in reg season and in playoffs (in a frnachise were he got A LOT of competition) and he´s 12 in scoring overall in the league… and he´s still 32. He´s also a great defensive player (sometimes I feel he´s better on defense than in ofensive side, more consistent maybe), Almost as good as MJ in that area. I think the only SG that (besides MJ) can compare with him is Jerry West, but he didn´t won as much as him. Yes, you can say he shot 6-24 on that game seven, but even MJ has his bad nighs, and that was a “defense night” were everybody had awfull fg %.
    Yes, also you can say he played along with Shaq (one of the top 5 centers on nba history?) and Pau Gasol. But you forget MJ played with Scottie Pippen (one og the top 5 SF on nba history?) and with Dennis Rodman (the best rebounder on the last 20 years of nba and one of the best defensive players ever)
    Still, MJ was more consistent than Kobe, but I also thimk the lakers sg can be one of the top 10 players ever.

  433. Destry White says:

    other than Jordan there has been no other 2 guard as good as Kobe. none. Being a Spurs fan, I’ve seen too much Kobe…the guy is ridiculous.

  434. K says:

    Everyone makes some great arguments for their favorite players. However, this is an argument that can never be settled because we’re talking about a persons opinion. Jordan was great; Magic was great; Kobe is great and a whole host of other players can be throw into that category of being a great basketball players. I like the list of Robi who placed Drazen Petrovic ahead of some other very good guards. You must have watched the “30 for 30” film on “Once Brothers”; because prior to that I had forgetten all about Petrovic. Meaning no disrespect to Petrovic because his story was truly a tragic one, but his career was so short and to me it would only be a sentimental choice to place him #2 on a list of the greatest guards to every play the game of basketball. Not saying that he doesn’t belong on the list; but #2(depends on who you ask).

    To the Laker’s fan that stated that Magic was the best guard ever and then tried to compare his first year accomplishments to Jordan’s. Well Laker’s fan do your research and check out the Laker’s roster in Magic’s first year vs what Jordan had to deal with for teammates during his first year. When you had a team that already had three future Hall of Famers (Jabbar, Worthy and Jamaal Wikes), hell how can you not win. Magic was great but don’t try to compare their first years without giving mention to the rosters that they each inherit. Magic by far, had a whole lot more to work with then Jordan in their first year.

  435. Rafael says:

    Kobe Bryant is the most skilled offensive player to ever play the game

    • Cuzn Deer says:

      Carmelo Anthony is the best skilled offensive player ever.

      • Peter2010 says:

        Melo is a little bit boring when he plays, even the commentator on his game said so and i heard on live tv game. Jump, another Jump……boring……….

  436. Basketball says:

    Cuzn Deer…if you’re from Chicago and you’re riding with a division rival, then Jordan must be ashamed of you.

  437. Matt says:

    wow jordan you are way to judging come on your not in the NBA no more people should be worried about the future not the pass but we all need to remember it will be there for memories. But dammit people you will be a better person if your not so judgemental ! but we all have are own opinions! sooo 🙂 good discussion people.

  438. TrueChampionsDontLeaveTown says:

    Top 10 For Sure. Write a list and seriously think about whether the name on the list is BETTER than Kobe. I’m not a fan of Kobe’s, but I can appreciate his talent. He is No Way a “Top 5”, but for sure a “6-10”.

    Although, when Durant is done his career…everyone will be bumped one spot…maybe even MJ!

  439. Chasles Abimana says:

    1 MJ
    2 Kobe
    3 KD
    4 brandon roy
    nuff said

  440. Mads Geertsen says:

    Kobe is not a top ten player of all time. Kobe has always been surrounded by great players who could win games when he couldn’t. He is overrated and far from as good as MJ. The only thing Kobe known for is putting points on the board in a hurry. He is the 3rd or 4th best guard of all time. No one is as good as Jordan

  441. Read this!!! says:

    you guys love kobe as if he was your girlfriend…

  442. lol says:

    you can say both mj and kb is great, but theres no possibilities that comparison is able to built between anyone else. they played in different era with different players ( both as team mates and opponents ) they played under different sets of rules and regulations. how sure can you be to determine that which era’s is easier to play and which is not ? just stop all the comparison man.it just all make no sense.

  443. terrance says:

    lmao

    ‘BRANDON JENNINGS DOESNT NEED TO BE ANYWHERE ON THIS PAGE’

  444. dusttker says:

    Top 10 All Time (All Players)

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabaar
    3. Wilt Chamberlain
    4. Magic Johnson
    5. Larry Bird
    6. Oscar Robertson
    7. Bill Russell
    8. Hakeem Olijowon
    9. Tim Duncan
    10. Shaquille O’Neil

    Top 10 All Time (Guards Only)

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Magic Johnson
    3. Oscar Robertson
    4. Kobe Bryant
    5. Jerry West
    6. Bob Cousy
    7. Dwyane Wade
    8. Isiah Thomas
    9. John Stockton
    10. Rick Barry

    Top 10 All Time (All Positions – PROJECTED)

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. LeBron James
    3. Kareem Abdul Jabaar
    4. Wilt Chamberlain
    5. Kobe Bryant
    6. Magic Johnson
    7. Larry Bird
    8. Kevin Durant
    9. Dwyane Wade
    10. Oscar Robertson

    • Chris says:

      ur off ur nut if you think LeBron will be better than Kobe, LeBron sucks in the Finals, he is Win Finals MVP first, Championship second whereas Kobe is all about winning, not self pride!!

      • dusttaker says:

        LeBron is already better than Kobe and he is only 25 years old. He has 2 league MVPs – Kobe only has 1. Thats why its a projection. If LeBron continues to play as he has been playing and wins a few more league MVPs and a few Championships in 10 years he will be ringing on MJs doorstep. Now if Kobe can somehow win a couple more titles than you my man will win this argument but I dont think that is going to happen. LeBron is about to terrorize this league!

  445. DmaC says:

    I think Kobe deserves a little better than just top-10 guards, maybe a top-5 would have been more accurate group. MJ has never been a ‘nice’ guy but he did say Kobe will be in the conversation of the greatest players ever when it’s all said and done. To me the top 5 guards are:

    1. Michael Jordan – Undoubtedly the greatest player ever. His personality, drive and charisma combined with his work ethic and natural talent separated him from the other great players.

    2. Magic Johnson – The only player that can challenge Jordan’s top spot and the best Laker ever.

    3. Kobe Bryant – The best player in today’s game who still has some time to play at the highest level. Other current players can’t be compared to his skills, experience and mindset. But I think odds of him passing the top 2 guys are really small partly because his age and partly because the newly assembled powerhouses.

    4. Jerry West – The logo. Mr.Clutch. Enough said. Shame he won just one championship in nine tries.

    5. Oscar Robertson – Only player to average a triple-double for an entire season. A triple threat who could score inside, outside and also was a stellar play-maker.

  446. Bobby says:

    I’ve been around the NBA for a very long time, as someone who covered NBA basketball for the Eastern European block, and have followed this league religiously since the mid 80’s until the present. MJ still has to be considered the best ever, even though Kobe comes awfully close as second. But I just can not overlook few facts such as the following:

    1. Michael played in an era that was much more physical, tougher, and with bigger stars than today. Just look at the 50 greatest, MJ played against the most of them.

    2. MJ was a natural leader and made everyone around him better. Kobe struggles in this department a bit, even though he grew as a leader a lot.

    3. MJ put better numbers than Kobe while defenders could hand check him. The hand check rule today definitely favors the offensive player.

    4. MJ won 6 titles as the main go- to guy, while Kobe was a sidekick to Shaq his first 3. MJ couldn’t win without Pippen, just as Shaq couldn’t win without Kobe. Still, Kobe’s first 3 titles are not the same as MJ’s.

    5. Mj’s titles are more remarkable since he won them without a legitimate all star caliber center/power forward. Titles are won with all star big men, with only few exceptions, such as MJ. Shaq, Bynum, Gasol are on a different level than Bill Wennigton, Purdue, Grant etc. Rodman was great on defense, but below average on offense.

    6. MJ was tougher on defense (won defensive player of the year award)

    The above are my reasons why MJ is still the greatest. Again, Kobe is great and a close second.

    On a separate note, I watched the documentary “Once Brothers” on ESPN that talks about the relationship between Vlade Divac and the late Drazen Petrovic. People who really know basketball would tell you how great Drazen Petrovic really was. In a time when there were no international players in the NBA, Drazen averaged 23pts a game and took the Nets to the play offs in a tough Eastern Conference. (He rarely played in Portland his first two seasons). He was on the rise and to become a superstar, which was remarkable in that era. The best shooter to have ever lived, and a fierce competitor. R.I.P.

  447. bryan says:

    this is hilarious, cuzn deer is such a blatent bucks fan its not even funny, i like brandon jennings, but dont make urself look even dumber by putting him up there w/these guys, its sad. u obviously know nothing about basketball and u also obviously hate kobe, like everyone else. i agree, michael was better, but all of you saying kobe is nowhere close, ask yourselves this: reverse the roles, kobe drafted at 20 yrs old in 1984, mj drafted in 1996 at 17 yrs old. we would all be saying mike is jockin kobe

  448. DaHeatisON says:

    @raven

    Remember, Shaq was the guy who got all of the double-teams. He’s the 2nd highest PPG in Finals history behind Jordan. What are you talking about?

    • Dale says:

      Shaq didnt get doubled! Ben Wallace played him one on one! And Timmy OWNED Shaq in the WCFS where the real finals happened! Kobe had a few 35+ games including a 48 pt 17 reb gem vs Bruce Bowen of all people. Shaq gets to the finals vs tomato can centers, Puts up monster numbers, ans all of a sudden gets the credit for being the man. If todd mccullough and matt geiger is guarding you, of course you get finals MVP!

  449. whatever says:

    well as already said this is about All Time Great Player. and not character or his showing off. though this is absolutely an indirect influence on any decision.
    im a young fan and i havent seen MJ live or something like that. just lots of videos. gotta say: hes got/had a huge talent BUT he wasnt as good with the braining and teamplay as KB is to my mind. MJ was great a shooting,going 1on1 or 1on2,3,..,tough player and stuff like that. but in my opinion hes not the greatest player ever. its not just about scoring highest PPG or sth like that. and MJ isnt even the best in the PPG stats right? neither is kobe. he has been an egoistic player too before. but now he improved his style of play and so on. just take a look at the last playoffs. he didnt have the best shot % in all games but though he had lots of rebounds and assists. and such a good teamplay. most impressive is that hes almost always able to play good. just take a look at his moves. sometimes his shot choice is just sick and his quotes could be better he wouldnt play with that risk. but he likes it. but theres no player to stop him pulling off a jumper. and hes able to go past 1on1 with some easy steps/moves.

    kobe is definetly better than MJ.

    but actually i think that none of them is #1 all time great. for some reasons:
    1. all time? kobe is still playing. it will always be hard to say someone is an all-time-great though he career is sitll going on.
    2. this discussion is actually just stupid!!! cause KB and MJ are not the only two great players in the world. (just think about Lebron and Durant. people were comparing kobe with lebron last year, though no one is comparing lebron to MJ mostly. actually kinda unfair isnt it?dont wanna start that right now. but just think of james dominance in the league.)
    3. lets stop this right now :D:D

    there may be some grammar or spelling issues. im sorry for that. im in a hurry and from abroad. just learning english at school 😉 hope you could get my point!

  450. DUDE says:

    On the ERA of MJ… It was MUCH PHYSICAL… HAND CHECKS Were allowed..
    You can only say that the game is different now because of the BODY STRUCTURES of player now. They are more buffed compare to yesterday.. Kobe is a great player but Jordan is simply the greatest. Kobe is next in line for sure..

  451. Fernando says:

    1-MJ
    2-WILT
    3-RUSSEL
    4-MAGIC
    5-Kareem
    6-BIRD
    7-KOBE

  452. dusttker says:

    Top 10 All Time Top 10 All Time Top 10 All Time
    (All Positions) (Guards Only) (All Positions- PROJECTED)

    1. Michael Jordan 1. Michael Jordan 1. Michael Jordan
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabaar 2. Magic Johnson 2. LeBron James
    3. Wilt Chamberlain 3. Oscar Robertson 3. Kareem Abdul Jabaar
    4. Magic Johnson 4. Kobe Bryant 4. Wilt Chamberlain
    5. Larry Bird 5. Jerry West 5. Kobe Bryant
    6. Oscar Robertson 6. Bob Cousy 6. Magic Johnson
    7. Bill Russell 7. Dwyane Wade 7. Larry Bird
    8. Hakeem Olijowon 8. Isiah Thomas 8. Kevin Durant
    9. Tim Duncan 9. John Stockton 9. Dwyane Wade
    10. Shaquille O’Neil 10. Rick Barry 10. Oscar Robertson

  453. ddongssassangnyunah says:

    Leave Britney ALONE!!!!!

  454. MISHING says:

    but i forgot to mention if kobe goes on to win a four peat then definitely people will say kobe is as good as mj. and alot might even say he is better cause he did something mj didnt. win four in a row along with 3 in a row.

  455. DaHeatisON says:

    Here’s a list of my top 10 PLAYERS not just GUARDS:
    1. MJ
    2. Bill Russell
    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
    4. Oscar Robertson
    5. Magic Johnson
    6. Wilt Chamberlain
    7. Shaq
    8. Hakeem Olajuwon
    9. Larry Bird
    10. Tim Duncan

    Notice, all of these players are also some of the most efficient players ever, which Durant, Lebron, and Wade will probably approach if they can remain as good while being efficient in their careers.

    • TrueChampionsDontLeaveTown says:

      Hakeem out, Duncan out. Kobe is better than both, especially when we consider that caliber of the rest of the team. Lakers don’t match either the spurs or the rockets teams. If we were talking “teams” the spurs teams with duncan must be included, but duncan by himself…not top ten.

      • Daniel Varner says:

        This comment is about the stupidest thing i ever heard.

        Who did Hakeem have.

        A rookie Cassell who averaged 7 pts
        Robert Horry and his 9 pts
        Kenny Smith
        Otis Thorpe 16 and 9
        Maxwell poor mans John Starks

        Spurs had Davids 9 pts 7 rebs that last season
        Tony’s 15 and 5
        Ginobli’s 8 pts in 05 and 16 there after
        Stephen Jackson 10 pts

        But Kobe has Bynum, Gasol, Artest, Odom, and decent role players

        Sounds like Kobe definitely has the weaker roster.

        Im a spurs fan, but Ginobli and Parker would never have sniffed the all star game if it were’nt for Duncan

  456. blazh24 says:

    i completely agree with a comment above. jordan is a legend, and people don’t want legends to pass so they still worship him, remmeber only the best of him and stuff. for them, jordan is the best is a fact, it’s like gravity. but objectively, we all know that’s nonsense. jordan’s ego is a bit too high. sayin’ he could score 100 in a game today. my ass. how some can still deny kobe’s greatnes is beyond me but whatever. and some of your arguments are just lame. and why the hell do you talk about supporting cast? we’re talkin’ individual skillz. and c’mon, kobe stole MJ’s moves? that’s the biggest b.s. i’ve ever heard. If i recall, jordan didn’t ivent bball so he didn’t invent moves. players so what’s working and started using that. looong before jordan even started playin, this claim is just ridicoulus.

  457. Nick says:

    WOW! So if Kobe were to quit playing basketball the very moment, he will be head-to-head with Jordan as the best player of all time, thus, as of now it is fair to say that Kobe is raising the bar of greatness.

  458. Eric says:

    If MJ never retired in 93-94 season, and 99-01.. WHO KNOWS HOW MANY RINGS JORDAN WOULD HAVE.
    He said the game was too easy for him. THIS MAN COULD HAVE HAD 8 rings. 9 rings. I know its a stretch to say all that I’ve said.. but Michael Jordan was droppin 28.7 pts in his 13th year in the league..
    Just sayin.. Jordan is stacks above kobe.. for the simple reason that Jordan revolutionized the game, and Kobe is a chipped copy of the alltime great MJ.

  459. MISHING says:

    if kobe wins a championship this year kobe would have 2 3-peats just like micheal jordan. and phil jackson will jave 4 3-peats, 2 with kobe and 2 with m jordan. but yeah if kobe wins another championship this year i think all the amouncers and all the people will say kobe is just as good as m jordan. cause it would be very impressive to win a third championship this year after what the league has done in the offseason, aka boston and miami.

  460. DaHeatisON says:

    I keep reading Kobe fans post that Kobe should be top 10 because he has 5 rings (Shaq was the leader of the 1st three and MVP), and that he will break the scoring record. Heck, LeBron and Durant will shatter that record 5 years later. So, will that make LeBron and Durant #1 and #2 after MJ?

  461. DaHeatisON says:

    I think that Kobe is the most overrated player ever. Comparing him to MJ? Think about it, since we REALLY want to compare the two: Jordan’s numbers are clearly on an entire different level from Kobe’s numbers–especially in the playoffs. I’ve seen too many players outplay Kobe in the Finals (Iverson, Rip Hamilton, Paul Pierce, and even Jalen Rose). If a player ever outplayed Jordan IN THE FINALS, we would never have heard the end of that. Lastly, I’ve seen Kobe have too many questionable games in game 7s or series closing games. Think about it: game 7 against Phoenix when everybody said that it looks as if he gave up; game 6 against Detroit when Shaq and Phil both was ignored by Kobe; and game 7 against Boston (yeah they won despite of Kobe) when Kobe shot 6 of 24. So again. Where is the comparison? The only similarity I can see is how they both get into their jump-shot. That’s it.

    • raven says:

      We gonna look over the fact that Kobe was being doubled and trippled in the 04 finals. Ben Wallace basically outplayed Shaq. If u watched that series a lot of Shaq points were garbage because they were getting beat, Name 1 team Jordan played in the finals that could compare to 04 pistons or 08 celtics. Jordan shot 5-19 in game 6 vs sonics in 96 and they won. Jordan never went up against any decent guards. Except clyde and clyde averaged 27 so it’s not like he stopped clyde.

  462. Old Top says:

    I have one quick interjection: any top ten guard list on here I see that doesn’t have John Stockton on it is immediatly disregarded in my opinion. All time assists AND steals leader and he doesn’t make you list? yipes.

  463. Berto says:

    The Airness of MJ will always, unfortunately to Kobe, stand among all the other established careers to date. Kobe is, in a huge debate, top 5 to ever play guard. The only critical difference between Michael and Kobe up to this point is–Michael felt at one point that he accomplished everything he needed at several different points in his career and kept leaving the game (even in his prime!). So honestly imagine if you gave back those 2 full seasons back to Michael instead of his leaving to baseball; or maybe have him continue his career after he won his 6th title. He undoubtedly would be the all-time scoring leader, leaving the great Kareem in 2nd. There could have been a 7th title as well. But lets not talk about what if’s. The point is, Kobe won’t leave the game until he has nothing left in the tank. Once age brings him back to reality, he won’t be able to dominate the game like we’re all accustomed to seeing. His competitiveness and will to win right now is off the charts, but eventually his health and age will make those attributes insufficient. He’ll notice his inability to keep up with younger superstars like Durant. Then, and only then, he’ll leave the game–solidifying the substancial difference between Kobe and MJ. This difference in summary is: Kobe can not let up–he still has a lot more to prove (that he stands with MJ). MJ had noone else to overcome. He defeated every debate of players being of more status than himself, proving him the Greatest of all time. Kobe has yet to prove that–and we’ll just have to wait and see if he can overtime.

  464. Chris31 says:

    Im not one to write on blogs and actually this is my first time. The reason I have to write something is in response to PETER2010…….when were you born….. in 2010 cuz you don’t know anything about basketball. Look I hate Kobe more than anyone, but I respect the man and his accomplishments. This is also coming from someone that hated Jordan back in the 90’s for destroying all my favorite teams including the Jazz twice in the finals. You said no Jordan and the Bulls still make the playoffs but no Kobe and the lakers won’t make the playoffs. WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW! Let me remind you, no Shaq in 2005 (Kobe still there) and the Lakers don’t even make the playoffs or even win a division title for the next 3 YEARS until the current best power forward in the league comes along and helps out (PAU Gasol). It’s obvious that no one man can win titles without help but don’t talk about things you don’t know anything about. Jordan may be arrogant and big headed but the man deserves way more props and way more respect than Kobe, for what he did in the game and for the game. Kobe is still an all time great and deserves a lot of respect but please please get off his sack!

    • Peter2010 says:

      2010 is the year Lakers won, again. You have any problem with that? I said without KB, Lakers would be first round out. mainly to 2008, 2009, 2010’s Lakers.
      Why at the end you said and i quote: “Kobe is still an all time great and deserves a lot of respect “. And when Gasol becomes the best power forward? Do you remember Memphis’s Pau? If he is the best now it’s because of Kobe made him. By saying he can score 100 points now win more respect? It’s totally disrespectful to today’s players. period.

    • Peter2010 says:

      And why you say you hate kobe more than anyone? Did Kobe do something very very bad to your family? I don’t think Kobe had any interest in what you are or what you have. Don’t you think you are nothing to Kobe? Even to me.

  465. Kobe the best says:

    A prove of Jordans hate is that he is jealouse of kobe scorin 81 pts. He said tht if he was a raptor he wouldve send kobe home with a busted lip. Its sad jordan , its really sad.

  466. David says:

    Mj gave an answer that a competitor at his caliber would say. He’s not going to get say that KB is the second best guard (behind himself) to ever play the game. I have watched both players very close and even though I am a lakers fan, KB is not as good as Mj. Should he be right behind him?? If you strictly look at shooting guards, then yes Kb is the second best. But if were talking about all guards I would have to put Magic as second. But Kb is only 32 and look at what he has already accomplished as a player. People compare KB to Mj because they both have similar attitudes, drives, and mentally about the game. They both play the game to win and stop at nothing to win. Most really good players play to be highlights, Kb plays to win. If KB ties MJ for rings, than you can start comparing him,but if Kb passes MJ for rings, then you can argue about who is better.

  467. Kobe the best says:

    Man . hahaha funny Micheal , oyu must be a stand up comedian or smthn. He must be on some kinf of crack !! Kobe is a top 10 guard? Well people we shud ad MJ to the list of haters. Kobe needs a littlie air breeze to go past Micheal Jordan. Period. Whoever says anything else is a hater.

  468. heaven says:

    With his 6th ring, Kobe will at least among the top 5 guards of all time, no doubt.

  469. Rale says:

    Why MJ should respect Kobe?Because he dropped 55 on him when he was in Wizards.Kobe is my favourite player 15 years.But MJ is the greatest basketball player of all time.And Bryant is 100% in top 10 PLAYERS EVER.And he will brake many records by the time he retires.

  470. A Team says:

    Some of you people are so out of touch. KB is top 5 players not guards “no doubt. It not even a convo. Some of you dont even have him as a top 10 guard where have you been the last 10 years. The fact of the matter is this guy has been to the finals 7 times in those 10 years. And the playoffs every year but 1 in his career. It is sad that people hold on to there bias even in the face of true greatness. I mean I dont like L.James but there is no doubt of what his future holds………….People GROW UP and stop the hate. ITS SAD

  471. obone1 says:

    I don’t like such a small finite number as top ten! Kobe is one of the greatest of all-time. The finite number is definitely more that 10 and less than 100. Seems quaint to say that a team is made up of 15 players and then rate only three sets of five players. I think this generation is caught up in numbers of just those they have seen! I just appreciate all the great players that have had a major impact on the game! I’d never agree that Jordan was the greatest player of them all. Overall competition was down during his reign! Bill Russell had a decade to himself! (Yeah Wilt was around, but….)! Bird, Magic, Dr. J, Isaiah,Kareem went to war against each other for a decade just prior to Jordan. Olajuwon, Ewing, Barkley, Drexler, Malone, Stockton, didn’t quite measure up as adversaries to His Airness. Oh, Kobe, he also has an adversary problem and the Shaq sidekick issue to explain(Then again, Magic & Kareem; Jordan & Pippen). However, people don’t give Kobe enough credit for having a couple of Rim Parties in the Conference Finals, against the San Antonio Spurs! Against Robinson and Duncan and Bowen, Kobe once averaged 39 points in a series! So He’s definitely in all conversations!

  472. gModes2 says:

    Do some research B**ch*s! MJ don’t even exist if Lin Bias were still alive.
    The reason why MJ got on top because theres no competition.
    Only Celtics and Lakers got in his way. But look at Kobe’s Era. So many good players nowadays…
    Kobe is the Greatest Player EVER. PERIOD.

    • fanofgame says:

      ive read alot of these comments but this one i dont understand. Kobes the greatest of all time wow. Do you remember MJ having to get thru the Bad Boys (very physical team) and just to name a few of the greatest players of all time (Magic, Bird, Barkley, and Malone, and the league overall was alot better back then. Once MJ began winning championships he was almost impossible to beat in a series don’t forget Kobe has lost in finals more than once and MJ has never lost in Finals. Kobe is in the top 10 no doubt not the greatest.

      • Dale says:

        Sorry, as good as DETs defense was in the 80s, the top 2 defenses(statistically) in the past 20-30 years were the two teams Kobe lost to(04 Pistons, 08 Celtics) The 10 celtics played better than both defensively in the playoffs. So that proves the two losses Kobe sustained, and the one title he won vs BOS were to better defensive teams than MJ ever played against in his career. Thats why I laugh when people say that Kobe couldnt win in the 80s. Thats up tempo ball in those days. Kobe wouldve had MJ numbers back then just like Mj had..

  473. sid says:

    oh my gosh

    this sounds all crazy lunatics! What is that with you? MJ better – KB better? I am very graceful I could see both play basketball.
    Cause that’s what both do/did! And they play(ed) on the highest level we can pray for. Among other like Wilt, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Dr. J, Jerry West, ……… – I can go and write down names all night long. The best ever? Can you say? I can’t – I am just happy I am witness of such great talent – think about the game without all those! Each and every one of them is a bit the greatest of (their/all) time – aren’t they? I watched once Jason Kidd dishing out one night and at that moment I just thought – how the greatest of all time dishing performance! You all say you love the game – I can’t read about it. Some of you should really feel ashame. This is about giving the best you got in you every single night they play. And a lot of guys I have seen did that – my respect to all of them.
    What do I care about the greatest of all time – I care just about a good (great) game – and MJ as well as Kobe gave me a lot of them. THANKS ! ! !

  474. Wilson Francisco says:

    Kobe is a very good NBA player but my top 10:

    Oscar Robertson
    Bill Russell
    Wilt Chamberlain
    Michael Jordan
    Jerry West
    Larry Bird
    Magic Johnson
    Julius Erving
    Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    Hakeem Olajuwon

  475. messi says:

    I basically grew up watching MJ and the Bulls dynasty of the 90s; and now at my mid-30s, I watch the newest crop of NBA superstars – including KB. People like me can make more accurate comparison between these two superstars as compared to those guys who only grew up watching KB’s era.

    I think greatness is NOT PRIMARILY defined by championships and individual accolades. If so, Robert Horry would be up there with the best of them for winning multiple championships Barkley and some other “legends” only dreams of having.

    Greatness in one’s field or craft (in this case basketball), for me, is defined by how, as you made an impact to the game and brought it to another level influencing more and more people from all over the globe to your field of work: Much like Ali or Tyson… Sampras or Navratilova… These people took their respective craft into new heights. They were responsible for the evolution of the field they are in — Much like Jordan.

    Jordan revolutionized basketball and how people perceive and approach it now: from those long baggy shorts to those colorful rubber shoes — its all Jordan’s influence. Suddenly everybody wants to be “like Mike”! The whole world fell in love with basketball because of MJ.

    Michael is loved even by opposing team’s fans. They all came to the game not to watch their home team but to witness for themselves the act that was widely talk about in TV,Radio,and Papers. They came to see His Airness in person — if he can really fly. It was ALWAYS worth their money!

    Michael is a fierce competitor… he also has a lot of charisma.

    While everybody wants to see him beat, everybody, too, wants to be beaten by him. At the end of the day, MJ earned the respect of his rivals.

    So, yes, I think intangibles like these matters way more than statistics and rings. Thats why people like Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Miller, etc are up there with the best of them even though they weren’t able to get a championship ring.

    This is why I think that Kobe will NEVER be greater than MJ.

    Kobe has NOT revolutionized the sport. He is just a by-product of Jordan’s legacy just like all the top players in this era. There’s nothing KB did that Jordan already done. In fact, the 7th game of the LA-Boston series was clear evidence that KB24 is still far from being an heir apparent to MJ23. Michael would’ve asserted his will on that 7th game. He would’ve controlled the tempo and dominated from opening tip to the last second — as what he always does in big games. Michael never seems to wilt to anything. His willpower and determination to win is second to none.

    As good as Kobe is as a basketball player, he is not worthy of comparison to Michael. Besides, we would never know what could have happened to Kobe if Phil weren’t coaching him and he was not using the triangle offense – which was developed because of MJ.

    Until I saw another revolution.. a phenomenon in basketball were people from all around the world would be dreaming to be like that “next guy”… Michael Jeffrey Jordan still is the GREATES BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME

  476. Atli Steinn says:

    Lets fuel the endless debate of who is better, which is by the way pointless… With an official article from an NBA writer of NBA.COM ? Really? First of all his words shouldn’t be taken that seriously. Just seems like he has actually learned something from Phil Jackson (who amongst other things said that Steve Nash travels with the ball) to play mind games. Don’t forget that Jordan is an owner of a basketball club and that club is not LAL. If it would be his club, he would be saying something different. All your opinion are bias, the writer’s opinion and MJ’s.

  477. I think you can’t compare ANY NBA player with Michael Jordan he’s just the all time greatest an di think Kobe isn’t close when you compare him with MJ

  478. Dan says:

    Seriously why is this even a debate. When Jordan retired the NBA was never really the same, many considered the years between Jordans time ended with the Bulls to Lebron and that 2003 draft class to be the worst period in NBA history.

  479. BALLA32 says:

    damn ppl hatin on kobe he raw just give him his credit ima d-wade fan but i still know kobe is a top to PLAYER of all time not just gaurd wth give the man his credit he came outta high school n has done what no1 coulda could jordan have been as good as he was if he didnt go to north carolina……………….. I DOUBT IT

  480. Nick says:

    Dude.. Jordan is right. The problem with this and most people’s arguments on this topic is that we are living in a time where Kobe is still playing. We have first hand knowledge of his greatness, therefore it is still fresh in our minds. Most people who comment on this, or who are part of this debate only have knowledge of basketball within the past decade or so. Is Kobe better than Oscar Robertson or Pete Marovich? No. Now I know Kobe won more championships, but we all know teams win championships. Point in case, lakers and bulls won no championships until they had a good/great team. Therefore, greatness defined by only championships is irrelavent. For example, Robert Horry is better/as good as Kobe Bryant? Guys like Oscar and Pete, if put in the same situations as Kobe and Mike would have similar results. I am an NBA historian and there is no way, with the amount of great players we have had in this league would I put Kobe in the Top ten of all-time. At his position however, I agree with Mike that Kobe is a top ten gaurd.

  481. dontouchit says:

    \\ for me to measure greatness as a basketball player is not only by numbers, but how you as a “franchise basketball player” transformed your team into the highest level of competitiveness. which MJ did. and he was ready for the challenge.

  482. ke777 says:

    I think Kobe is a great player but MJ is better no doubt, think about this what kind of entourage did MJ had when he won, he retired, he came back and he won again, I mean they were good but he didnt have Shaq or Gasol, etc…, MJ did it almost on his own not like Kobe, I dont think Kobe could have won anything without having a Superstar along him unlike MJ, Kobe tried on his own but he got to the playoff and did he, simply he could not carry the team on his own, MJ did it, Kobe did not as simple as that, what did he do when Shaq left the team and he tried and didnt go nowhere, he estarted crying to the management dept to get him a Superstar because he couldnt do it on his own, shame on you buddy you simply couldnt do it and MJ did, so dont compare yourself to him because you fall short big time, Sorry Kobe you are great but without a good supporting player (Superstar) like Shaq or Gasol you cant do it!!

  483. reza says:

    i think they are both the beauty of basketball and we cant compare any body with this tow…mj and kobe in the same level that nobody could reach…but among this two ofcourse mj is no 1

  484. dusttker says:

    Top 10 All Tiime (All Positions) Top 10 All Time (Guards Only) Top 10 All Time (All Positions – PROJECTED)

    1. Michael Jordan 1. Michael Jordan 1. Michael Jordan
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabaar 2. Magic Johnson 2. LeBron James
    3. Wilt Chamberlain 3. Oscar Robertson 3. Kareem Abdul Jabaar
    4. Magic Johnson 4. Kobe Bryant 4. Wilt Chamberlain
    5. Larry Bird 5. Jerry West 5. Kobe Bryant
    6. Oscar Robertson 6. Bob Cousy 6. Magic Johnson
    7. Bill Russell 7. Dwayne Wade 7. Larry Bird
    8. Hakeem Olijuwon 8. Isiah Thomas 8. Kevin Durant
    9. Tim Duncan 9. John Stockton 9. Dwyane Wade
    10. Shaquille O’Neil 10. Rick Barry 10. Oscar Robertson

  485. bones11 says:

    We keep forgetting that the first 3 championships of kobe’s is actually shaq’s. it’s like saying pippen should be considered when we discuss the top 5 greatest because he has as much championships as mike. Kobe has other credentials but people keep emphasizing the 5 trophys and it’s just wrong. He scored 81 points, won 2 championships on sans shaq, he won 1 championship on his own (my opinion) since last year’s championship should be counted as a team championship (a la detroit pistons). He is, for me, one of the top 10 greatest guards (that’s pgs and sgs), which includes magic, jordan, oscar, stockton, cousy, isaiah, west, maybe he’s top 7. that’s already pretty good company. I hesitate to put him in the top ten greatest list because there are a lot of centers in that list and a few forwards. russell, wilt, shaq, hakeem and kareem, julius and bird. there are just too many big guys on that list.

    At first glance it looks like Mike is disrespecting Kobe, but he isn’t. When you talk about top ten greatest of all time, you talk about transcendental players from their eras. it’s like saying drose will run rings around cousy, it shouldn’t be said. because if cousy didnt start it all, drose wouldnt know how to dribble.

    it’s the same for kobe. you have to look at who played at the highest level of the game, who were the best, that if you transport them in to any era, with the adjusted skill sets, they’d still dominate.

    MIke saying that Kobe is in the top ten greatest guards of all time is very respectful of Kobe’s accomplishments.

    To say that he’s at the level of Mike, Magic, Russell, Bird, Dr. J, Shaq, Wilt, Cousy, Kareem, and Hakeem is simply too much for me. These are the players you can’t hate even when they beat your team because they are just simply phenomenal. Yes, shaq and hakeem are arguable, but at some point in their careers they were unstoppable and extremely dominant.

    I’ll chalk in Kobe on my list when I see him dominate in a season where He wins a championship. I have yet to see him do so. I keep seeing artest and fisher hitting game altering shots. i want to see that from kobe.

    I’m a kobe fan as far as nbalive and nba2k11 goes. i want to be a kobe fan. he just needs to show me, he has a few more years in him, maybe he can convince me. who knows? maybe i’ll give him dennis rodman’s spot on my “legends team.”

    • duy says:

      pippen was a great player equivalent to jordans talent

      • bones11 says:

        i’m not saying he isn’t an all time great, but is he in your top 5 greatest of all time list? he’s in my top ten greatest all time small forwards list. To say he’s among the top 5 is like me insisting that my main man Dennis Rodman should be among the top 10 greatest forwards of all time.

  486. RS says:

    For me there is no comparison with Michael Jordan (Air Jordan). Kobe Bryant (The Black Mamba) has his own identity and has his own style of playing. Both players where very good in the peak of their career. Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant. There is no need to talk, to argue and especially to compare both men. They just play basketball how they knew and wanted it to be. That’s all.

  487. SpaniardFan says:

    Please, stop talking about number of championships and rings. I mean, I admit that winning some championships could be considered something to be taken into account but… Players DO NOT win championships (no matter where NBA or China)…
    TEAMS DO!!!!
    Jordan 6? Kobe 5? Magic 3? Who cares about that when we are talking about who is one of the top players individualy?
    I know that the media talk about these numbers and stats… Ok, it’s part of all that surrounds this game and make it attractive but… I insist… Nobody can win a championship alone!! You can judge if some player is crucial for some victories but you cannot compare two players by the amount of rings. No way. For instance, how can you put in comparison a complete roster of Chicago Bulls 80’s with a complete roster of LA Lakers 00’s and sentence that the role played by Jordan was more significant that one’s played by Kobe, or viceversa. They cannot win games by themselves.

  488. Yahya says:

    Everybody stop tripping, @ best kobe is top-5 material. Where does Magic go, Where does Bird go, Where does BILL RUSSELL go!!!!!? My gawd!!!! Check out B. Russell’s career stats—-> 15 ppg, 22 rpg. 13 seasons. Everybody is always solely focused on scoring. Let me see Kobe dominate a game without the ball in his hand.

  489. jay says:

    jordan played in a time where there was no defense LOL jordan played in the era when you could hand check your opponet they would knock you down and step on you and the refs would look the other way and still avg 37 points a game. put mike and kobe in the league at the same time same age and we could see mike was the better player kobe we talk about kobe cause he came out of high school and is doing this (i think his game is money) but until then we will always have this convo but like MOXE said allen iverson at 6’6 mike was a beast

  490. rloz says:

    All of the great players at every position has had their own uniquely great all-around skill set. They have all had heart and an obvious passion for the game. What separates Kobe and Jordan from the others on this list though, is their ability to hit the clutch shots… well that and the Zen Master. But iff you take all these great players and rank them on who you would want to take the last shot in a big game for your team, I’m certain I know which 2 players would top the list 90-100% of the time: 1-Jordan and 2-Kobe. That’s why Kobe is more than just top 10. I’m a Suns fan so I hate the Lakers. But as a basketball fan, I know that Kobe is the best all-around player in the world now, and when he retires his name will be mentioned in the debate of top 2 greatest players ever.

    PS…Steve Nash top 5 point guards ever….believe that!

  491. roman says:

    1st five is Jordan, Abdul-Jabbar, Olajuwon, Shaq, Bill Russel. no place for Kobe.

  492. THIAGO MARTINS says:

    They are two great players! I followed a little Michael Jordan’s career, and since the beginning of the Kobe! What I can say is that Michael Jordan was more impressive than Kobe! Kobe Bryant won three titles with the LAL thanks to super pivot Shaq O’neal, the opportunity to earn three MVP trovéus! Jordan won 6 and was also elected six times best player of the finals! I need say no more! Sure … the Bulls had a master team, but Jordan was a true leader! This past season, the Lakers and Kobe champion was named MVP. I disagree! Who should have been MVP was Paul Gasol!

  493. Ippy says:

    Kobe hasnt passed Magic yet and i dont mean championships. I dont want to sound too disrespectful to my fellow blogers but some of the blogers’ knowledge starts from Magic or even Jordan eras. I just want to focus on basketball here not other junk like rape case as these individuals choose to or not put themselves in such mess, to come out of it and become better player is irrelevant. Jordan was drafted by Bulls which at the time was equivalent of Minesota or other poorly faring teams in the NBA, he had 3yrs at College and had Phill Jackson (a rookie Phil who hadnt won anything) 5year since he came into the League, Jordan like Mohammed Ali had time off when he was at his prime and retired when he was on top for the second time in 98. Not trying to be presumptious but if MJ had the environment KB has had like winning franchise, Zen Master that is Phil Jackson upgrade, and these NBA rules aiming at protecting stars, he would have won more than ‘just 6 rings’. Number wise, when Jordan was scoring 69pts, he had 18 rebounds, 6 assists, 62% fg taking just 2 3pointers against a team that had to win to get to the playoffs Cavs. While 81 is commendable, it was against Toronto, probably last defensive team in NBA and his team mates were just spectators on the court. Jordan 63 was on Boston in the playoffs, equivalent of scoring 63 on Lakers or Celtics in the playoffs playing for 8th seed in todays NBA, NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Jordan numbers were so spectacular that u only need to have been a basketball fan during his era to believe. Magic Johnson is still the LA top baller. 8 finals in 11 seasons, avaraging 20+pts, 13 assists, 6rebs, winning 5 tittles, second in League history in Tripple Doubles, all that happening during the era where there was Bird and the great Celtics team of 80’s. Sigh!! If heads only knew…..kids need to learn about the game and its history before making judgement. Jordan was being considerate of the legends that came before Kobe, himself. He didnt say he was the 10th all time great..

  494. raven says:

    Jordan won the most important games by himself. Give me a break!!!!! If pippen wasn’t shutting down the best player on the opposing team there would have been different results, If Jordan was such a great defender and the best ever god of basketball, why didn’t he take the task of getting on isiah and shutting him down, I know, because he couldn’t. In the 80’s there were players that could score with Jordan. 0 rings. In the 90’s there were no guards that could hold a candle to jordan. 6 rings. Plus he didn’t have to play against any big men in the finals,

    • Dale says:

      Good point. Old hobbled magic was even killing MJ in the finals until PHIL DECIDED TO PUT PIPPEN ON HIM. That freed up MJ on the offensive end, because Magic was abusing him in the paint..

  495. UGUYSDUMB says:

    OK TENKI YOU MUST SMOKE CRACK IF U THINK THAT ANYONE LET ALONE JOHN STOCKTON IS BETTER THAN KOBE…… THEN BOB COUSY, WES UNSELD AND JERRY WEST? DUDE WHEN JERRY WEST WAS PLAYIN THEY JUST STARTED LETTIN BLACK PLAY JOHN STOCKTON ISNT EVEN TOP 5 POINT GUARDS OF ALL TIME HOW IN THE HELL IS HE BETTER THAN KOBE …… AND GEORGE MIKAN ISNT IN COVO EITHER BECUZ NO BLACK PLAYERS WERE IN LEAGUE AND U GUYS KNOW WE AE THE BEST ATHLETES….KOBE IS # 2 AND MAGIC IS # 3 BILL RUSSELL IS #4TH AND KAREEM IS # 5

  496. jay says:

    kobe is good but could kobe win a nba titla with will perdue or bill cartwright as his center. im not gonna say he is no.1 but def top 5 for what he has done behind oscar,magic,mike and john halv

  497. Lakers says:

    Magic Johnson was the best guard of all time. How long did it take Jordan or Kobe to win their first ring. Magic one a ring in his first year because of his team mentality. It took Jordan 6 years

    Let’s look at his stats compared to Jordan (points + 2*asts = totals pts)
    Regular Season
    Magic – 19.5 pts and 11.2 asts = 41.9 total pts
    Jordan – 30.1 pts and 5.3 asts = 40.7 total pts
    playoffs
    Magic – 19.5 pts and 12.3 asts = 44.1 total pts
    Jordan – 33.4 pts and 5.7 asts = 44.8 total pts
    Totat (averaged) – Magic = 43.0, Jordan = 42.8

    • Tom says:

      that not how u compare stats point + assist = total you forgot the steal block and on the defensive end.

      • Lakers says:

        Steals, blocks, defense and playing all 5 positions is a wash. They do not directly correlate to points but add to the team game.

  498. Robi says:

    Here is my lisf of top 10 all time guards:

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Drazen Petrovic
    3. Magic Johnson
    4. Kobe Bryant
    5. Dwayne Wade
    6. Pete Marovich
    7. Oscar Robertson
    8. George Girvin
    9. Magic Johnson
    10. Kevin Johnson

    • Yahya says:

      If u don’t take Petrovich off that list. He only played like three years in the league, and his highest ppg was around 23—->stop it.

    • Tom says:

      Dwade over magic, oscar, and Girvin. Are you kiidng me i give Dwade 5-10 more year and win phew more champion befor i put them a head of these player

    • mike says:

      Please tell me you have Kevin Johnson as your 10th all time guard dude. He’s not even a top 10 player not before Reggie Miller, Earl the Pearl, Walt Frazier, Kenny Smith, Mark Jackson Jason Kidd,John Stocken Go Back and check that again.

    • Kobefan826 says:

      why do you have magic johnson twice?

  499. Jfez88 says:

    Kobe has THE worst shot selections I have ever seen.

    Personally I just hate Kobe because he’s a straight up douche bag, watch him put his arms up like a little obnoxious queer when he makes a LUCKY game winning shot.

  500. Tomatoes says:

    I asked this question to my friend, Can you name five good players as good, competitive, talented and athletic as KOBE in this era? He is a Jordan fan and he mention almost twenty good guards and fowards that sometimes Kobe has to deal with; (Lebron, Ray Allen, Wade, Chris Paul, Nash, Carmelo, Kevin Durant, Pierce, Lewis, Vice Carter… many more) Can you mention good Guards gurding Jordan, He just mention Clide Drexter, late Magic Johnson and he was playing in the west they see each other twice, Dominic was his competition and he start in the 1980. The one on one was Jordan’s avantage, taller and bigger than the other guards.Jordan played without Pippen at the very beginning and very end of his career. Kobe is playing without Shaq in his prime (mid to late 20s and early 30s)Kobe won without Shaq twice, How many Finals Jordan make without Pipen? Just keep this in your concience, Jordan was better in numbers but he never play against the best or second best after Kobe, Lebron James. Kobe #1 James #2, Jordan in this time in this era would be behind Wade by far…Love ya!

  501. king james says:

    JORDAN WILL ALWAYS B THA MAN !!! JORDAN LED THA BULLS NEVER FOLLOWED . KOBE FOLLOWED SHAQ THA FIRST 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS AND WON 2 . HE HAD 7 TRIPS TO THA FINALS AND HAS ONLY 5 RINGS . JORDAN ALWAYS WON IN THA FINALS. KOBE ISNT BETTER THAN MAGIC JOHNSON.

  502. olando says:

    we all know how good Jordan is at talent evaluation. Jordan may have been the greatest player but shut the hell up when it comes to evaluating players, look at your pics over the years my gosh man i can’t believe you resigned Kwame Brown and i’m supposed to listen to you about who is a top ten talent or not. yeah right!!!!!!!

  503. Jimmi says:

    Wow..so many kobe haters…hahaha i love it!

  504. duy says:

    wade-bosh-james = modern era version of jordan- pippen- rodman

  505. Moxe says:

    MJ revolutionize the game, he gave Kobe a style to run with. He defined the protype for shooting gaurds. Take nothing away from Kobe, but MJ never lost in the finals. MJ won 6 championships in 13 seasons. If you want to compare a couple of things:

    Kobe is clutch, but no one was clutch like MJ. He didn’t have to take the winning shot as much as Kobe because MJ didn’t miss in the 4th quarter or the Bulls blew people out. Kobe makes tougher shots than Jordan, but that’s due to lack of separation. When MJ made a move he was so quick that he was wide open, Kobe makes a move he made not be wide open but he will stick in your face.

    MJ was a lockdown defender, Kobe is a good defender. MJ all day, but Kobe is the next best thing!! When you think of MJ in his prime imagine Allen Iverson at 6 “6” that’s how quick he was.

  506. raven says:

    If Kobe had his own team when he was drafted into the league he would have anywhere between 35 to 37,000 points. The way to know Kobe is one of the greatest, if not the greatest is he has eclipsed 25,000 points. No other player has done that and was not the top scorer on their team for the first 6 or 7 years in the league. He just started doing all that scoring a couple of years ago. By the end of the season he will be in sixth place. The guy is the greatest scorer to ever live.

    TO DAN, WHAT HAS PAU WON WITHOUT HIM. WHEN HE HAD HIS OWN TEAM THEY WERE 0-12 IN THE PLAYOFFS. TIM DUNCAN WAS SCHOOLING HIM. PAU IS JUST HAVING THAT JORDAN AFFECT. THERE AREN’T THAT MANY GOOD BIG MEN ANYMORE. U SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM IN THE 08 FINALS WHEN KG WAS HEALTHY. HE GOT SCHOOLED. PLEASE DON’T BE A FOOL. IF BYNUM WAS INJURY FREE HE WOULDN’T NEED PAU. IF KOBE WAS PLAYING FOR THE NUGGETS IN THE 09 WCF AND CARMELO WAS ON THE LAKERS, THE NUGGETS WOULD HAVE WON THE RING. KOBE WON 3 WITH SHAQ. THEN PEOPLE SAID HE CAN’T WIN WITHOUT SHAQ. THEN HE WON WITH PAU, NOW IT’S BECAUSE OF PAU. I GUESS HE SUPPOSED TO WIN WITH GS SIZE EVEN THOUGH HE WOULD HAVE TO PLAY AGAINST GIANTS. HOW MANY DID JORDAN WIN WITHOUT PIPPEN. I KNOW, NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PIPPEN ALMOST WON 1 WITH HIS OWN TEAM, BUT I THINK THIS KID NAME KOBE STOPPED HIM IN GAME 7 OF THE 2000 WCF. I THINK KOBE’S LINE WAS 25PTS,11REBS,7AST AND 4 BLOCKS. WITHOUT THAT PERFORMANCE PORTLAND WOULD HAVE WON, BUT SHAQ WAS THE REASON. OH YEAH HE DOMINATED SOME GUY NAMED RICK SMITS IN THE FINALS, BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  507. Jfez88 says:

    Kobe a BETTER shooter than MJ?

    I actually laughed out loud

    • jzb1 says:

      @Jfez88 Thank you, it made me laugh too, kobe is nowhere near the shooter jordan was, hes also not as good defensively, not as good a passer or ball handler… I cant think of one thing that kobe can do better than jordan, and im a kobe fan but MJ=goat case closed.

  508. f***allhates says:

    kobe is the greatest ever he has to play against better defence player and teams jordaN PLAY IN THE time were there was no defence

  509. koby says:

    look ya, kobes a great ass player and all, but mj just got him beat in so many ways. you cant compaire the two like how everyone is doing so. the two played in different times of the nba and the only time was when jordan was in his mid to late 30s already. mj is the by far the best when it comes to the 2, hell he can even play the1 better then most points. kobes playing like mj right now, not much of a shooter until their 30s so don’t even say whos the better shooter. they both creat havoc, thats just how good they are. mj passed to torch to kb so yeah top 10? maybe top 2 in my book behind mj.

  510. jov says:

    lots of people here saying mj had noone on his team. thats right peeps, MJ the g.o.a.t had a bad team (pippen best defender and perhaps the 2nd best player next to jordan at that time, rodman best rebounder for several seasons) thats right. MJ did it all! LOLZ… no wait, thats acceptable right as long as its not on the center position like kobe’s helps? lol

  511. Luis says:

    I would say Young Jordan 85′-93′ is better than Young Kobe 98′-04′ young Jordan dominated the league on both ends averaged over 3 steals a game and 37 points a game without shooting any 3 pointers. Old Jordan 96′-98′ vs Old Kobe 05′-10′ kobe is better because he can still get the step on people and his basketball IQ has gotten better but both have to give props to Phil Jackson and his coaching staff, without Phil Jackson those guys would have not won multiple champhionships in a row, maybe 1 or 2 here and there but not 6 championships each.

  512. Bill Russell says:

    I think there is a distinction some people are not aware of: Jordan has called Kobe one of the top 10 GUARDS of all time. That means Jordan doesn’t believe Kobe is on the 10 ten list of all players, any position, of all time. I don’t think people are appreciating the history of the NBA. The NBA has been around for 64 years. In that time there have certainly been at least 10 players (either guards, forwards, or centers) that are better than Kobe. This raises the question, what is it that makes the top 10 players the top 10 players? Is it # of championships? Career points average? Efficiency? It all depends on your own criteria. But regardless of your criteria, Kobe still shouldn’t appear on anyone’s top 10 players of all time list. If you think he should be on it, you are under-educated in basketball history.

  513. flash says:

    I admit that kobe is a terrific player, especially in clutch moments of the game, but to name him the best player ever would be an overstatement! OK he probably is somewhere in the top ten, but that sure isn’t the second spot. For him to achieve what michael did the first thing that would have to change would be the rules and that’s what probably triggered jordan’s statement (in today’s game rules are formed in a way that promotes fast transition game with a lot of points and minimum defense http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du-C-TvHqzA&feature=youtube_gdata_player in the viideo you can see what i mean). AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT DAVID ALDRIGE AND OTHER COMMENTATORS AND ANALYSTS (ESPECIALLY CHARLES, KENNY, CHRIS AND KEVIN ) HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE WAY GAME IS PLAYED TODAY

  514. Daniel Varner says:

    Top ten all-time

    1. Jordan- the king for now
    2. Shaq- no player ever dominated like him in his prime. Wilt couldn’t beast on both twin towers
    3. Russell- Championships means more than All-star nods and MVPS. Oh, he has those too.
    4. Chamberlain- Shaq or his era, not quite the same compitition
    5. Abdul-Jabbar- same as above, but could still out play the 80’s and 90’s centers
    6. Kobe- Best Laker ever, Kareem only was a laker past his prime
    7. Magic- read above, Magic #2
    8. Olajawon- Most skilled center ever. Dismantled all the leagues elite, Ewing, Robinson, even Shaq
    9. Duncan- best PF ever, not the shooter or passer Bird was, But defense, post skills, and Leadership better.
    10. Bird- read above, clutch, Elite scorer, good at every other category.
    10.Bird

  515. macz04 says:

    i agree to MJ. Kobe is in the top 10 guards and not in the best 10 players who ever played the game. for me, the top 10 players who played the game are:
    1. MJ
    2. Larry Bird
    3. Magic Johnson
    4. Wilt Chamberlain
    5. Kareem Abdul Jabar
    6. Bill Russel
    7. Oscar Robertson
    8. Julius Erving
    9. Jerry West
    10. Tim Duncan

    my top 10 guards are:
    1. MJ
    2. Magic Johnson
    3. Oscar Robertson
    4. Julius Earving
    5. Jerry West
    6. George Gervin
    7. Steve Nash
    8. Earl Monroe
    9. Kobe Bryant
    10. John Stockton

    • NO way says:

      are u serious lol actually ur kind of right they were good but kobe bryant????? beat herry west scoring record and is almost close to john havlechek. and wil chamberline was just parking in the paint. kobe is number one we all like jordan and bird but a lot of people dont want the legends to go down but seriously tayshaun prince or ginobli would be 3 best guard in the 90s i rather take ginobli. lol seriously. allen iverson cant even get into the nba? mcgrady almost didnt either beter compettion 2010.

  516. iamshannonbrown says:

    My top 10 list of all time:
    1: MJ
    2: Kobe
    3: Magic
    4: Kareem
    5: Bird
    6: Stockton
    7: Shaq (YES, i am serious, i remember watching him when he was with the lakers, he was unstopable!)
    8: West
    9: Chamberlain
    10: Russell
    I put Russell and Chamberlain as 9 and 10 because the competition was weaker back then.

  517. paulpierce23 says:

    Jordan won the most important games by himself. If you look at the last finals (LA-Boston), Kobe was lucky that Boston didn`t rebound enough. Kobe had a terrible night. Yes he is close to Jordan, so will be Lebron, but not close enough to compare these players to the magestical performances by MJ.

  518. John Koufax says:

    i dont wanna be disrespectfull to anybody…but lets be honest, KOBE is playing in a league with Lebrons,Anthonys,Garnetts,Howards,Mings…..just to name a few….MJ played in an era where there was a NBA Break, you guys forgot the industrial actions and the few stars the NBA had back then? there was one star per team and nothing more
    Kobes playing in a league where Bostons Celtics have a Team with 10 All Stars? Where Miami Heats have the 3 Future players? Where San Antonio had the Star out of the Top 5 Nationalteams of the world! im sorry but to say Kobe is not as good as MJ just because of stats is not fair. There was a time where Mcgrady had 35 Points a game a whole season long? so what? his team still wouldnt go further then 1st Playoff round? stats not everything….
    Kobe is on the rank at 1 together with MJ! Like it or not….

  519. Timburton says:

    well Mj is rating KB24 as 1 of the top ten guards. Not only is he 1 of the top ten guards but he is the best shooting guard in the game. Kobe has almost done everyting that Mj has done in the NBA. So he can rate him like second to him.

  520. Vasil says:

    you all are not serious

  521. Heat_fan943888 says:

    kobe is fake,,,,, There can be only one airness 😀 ❤ MJ

    • f***allhates says:

      wade is fake he would have left if bosh did not go to the heat first. not loyal to the heat so who is really fake

    • Tom says:

      come from a heat fan lol what else can i expect
      oh LBJ, Dwade, and Bosh is better then KOBE too? lol

  522. jon.o says:

    im so sick of hearing all this nonsense. one day jordan says he’d pick kobe over lebron and alllllll kobe fans eat it up and start bringing it up as trash talk. now jordan makes a comment saying he is a top 10 guard of all time and now all i hear is nonstop whining and moaning. just shut up already. he is a great player, but im tired of people treating him like he’s moses or something. for a shooting guard who’s never won a ship without a dominant big man on his team, it should be an honor to be called a top 10 guard of all time by the G.O.A.T! and this isnt even aimed at kobe because he accepted what MJ said. this is aimed at all the little biased bandwagon lakers fans who ride kobe all day and night.

    • Dale says:

      Youre delusional. No shooting guard(except)mj has ever won a title without a dominant big man! So Kobe goes above everyone else on this list! Even MJ had all stars in the 1st 3 peat(Grant) and the 2nd(Rodman) Shaq was dominant, but Gasol hadnt won A PLAYOFF GAME until he came to LA to play with Kobe. Get it together..

  523. Texas says:

    OH yea lets not forget about kobe ALWAYS driving to the lane and yelling and flaring his arms all over the place trying to get a foul called when there was no contact at all.

  524. Nekolu says:

    who cares kobe still 5uck

  525. ano says:

    MJ does not even play anymore and all of you still suck on his #$%@

  526. Tenki says:

    Mike, you’re just plain stupid. Ever wondered why Phil Jackson has two scars in his office? Two championship trophies that Kobe ate in his dream prior to the Finals games and choked to death, that’s what it is.

    Jordan is different from Kobe because His Airness never failed his coach in the first place. Had he not retired when Houston went back-to-back, Jordan would’ve made it eight in a row. He doesn’t know how to fail. You can’t make MJ a scapegoat for Kobe’s failures.

  527. Daniel Varner says:

    To the guy above. Wes Unseld was a undersized center, not a guard. Its hard to compare today’s and yesterdays players on paper. Stats back then were padded, because of the huge difference in quality between stars and role players. Wilt could never score 100 points in the 80’s 90’s, or 00’s. Shaq as domininant as he was in his prime would beast on Wilt. I agree Kobe’s greatness will never be fully appreciated till he retires, same as Tim Duncan. Now im not a Kobe fan at all. But the guy is the best player the last 10 yrs. And before its said and done, he will be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan, Co-best players of all time.

    Top 10 List (Guards)

    M.J.- for now
    Kobe- Just behind
    Magic- Winner and started the revoluition of the NBA
    Oscar- Would be higher if he won more championships
    Stockton- Leader in assists and steals, also higher if not for championships
    Kidd- turned looser to Conferance champions, not sure any of the five above could have done that.
    Payton- cmon, could Frazier, Cousy, or Marivich really out play this guy
    Reggie- clutch, long productive career
    D-Wade- hate Miami, but can hang with Kobe
    Drexler- played like lebron before lebron

    Cousy, Marivich, Frazier, Gervin, Richmond, etc. All greats of there era, but nothing an above average Nba player couldn’t do these days.

    • TrueChampionsDontLeaveTown says:

      I like this list. Frankly speaking, the guards pre-three point line dont have a chance to compete as the greatest guards of all time. In fact, the greatest players of all time list should only include post-three point line era. WHY? Because the NBA was a bush league before the 3-pointer came to the league. I think your list is accurate, but missing guys like Iverson and Nash…question is who’s out for these two…only payton…

  528. Markese Love says:

    I really don’t see how MJ’s statement could be interpreted as disrespectful of KB. How? He said he was an top ten all-time great guard, without even specifying which how high or low exactly, and people are gonna give him grief for that? Seems a bit ridiculous if you ask me

  529. NBA Fanatics says:

    @tenki

    can i add 1 more thing

    Michael Jordan Beat the marquee player like BIRD and MAGIC on their prime. After Michael Jordan Left NBA there is no MARQUEE player anymore.

    in 2002-03 season Lakers couldn’t even beat the pistons despite having Malone, O’Neal, Payton and KB on the line up.

    since the departure of O’Neal, KB couldn’t lift the lakers in the finals from 2004-2007. Atleast MJ almost had another championship ring if they didn’t lose to shaq and the rest of orlando in 94-95.

    as i said before KB is good only with the support from his team and lakers will win another championship if all 12 members are working together.

    • Dale says:

      MJ Never beat Birds celtics in a playoff series. Mj beat Magics lakers when he was well past his prime with Worthy and Scott out with injuries. So in essence, he NEVER beat Bird and Magic in their primes. Please learn the game more before you post.

  530. NBA1991 says:

    ummm all of you guys who are saying Jordan won a title without a superstar sound very Foolish! Jordan didnt win a thing until he got Scotty Pippen on his team. Scotty was a fantastic player and is a HALL OF FAMER! when Jordan retired/left the bulls for baseball smh Scotty Pippen lead the team to Over 50 wins that year so dont tell me Jordan won his 6 rings by himself cause that is sooo FALSE. every star player needs another star to compliment his game thats why shaq Never won without a star perimeter player and Lebron obv. isnt that guy yet in his career like Kobe and D-wade are but i’ll leave that for another argument. Kobe is definitely one of the top 5-10 palyers of ALL Time at the tender age of 32 with still A Lot of basketball to be played. he has 5 rings already, 2nd youngest player ever to play in the NBA, 2nd most pts ever in a game with 81. most consecutive 40pt games. tied for most 3s made in a game with 12. Btw by the 2000 season that wasnt shaq’s team anymore it was deff Kobe’s. he averaged over 28ppg in the regular season and over 29ppg in the postseason. Under the word CLUTCH in the dictionary you’ll see Kobe Bryant…Jordan is still #1 in my Book but Kobe is definitely on his way!

    • AC says:

      What did Scotty win without Jordan?

    • AC says:

      Perhaps you think that the Portland teams of ’99-’01 did not have enough talent?

    • AC says:

      Kobe has a lower “clutch” shooting percentage that Carmelo Anthony. Is Carmelo better than Jordan? Was six for 24 in last year’s finals Game 7 clutch?

      • Dale says:

        Was MJs 5-19 vs Utah clutch? What about his 15-35 performance (thats a lotta shots) with ONE ast. That sound clutch to you? Point is, they both have had bad games in clutch spots, but they both WIN.

      • AC says:

        I’m talking about game 7. And, look at the numbers – there was an article in this website recently – regarding shooting and assist percentages for “clutch” times. Kobe was behind many players playing today, including Brandon Roy and Carmelo Anthony. Also, Jordan was always the primary scorer on his team, and the only guy who could make his own shot. The Lakers now have Gasol and Artes, who saved them in game 7 vs. Celtics last year. Jordan always saved the Bulls.

      • AC says:

        Incidentally, 15 for 35 is 42.9%, which is closer to Kobe’s career playoff average of 44.8% than it is to 6 for 24 (25%), or even whatever the Lakers’ team percentage was in game 7 last year, I am almost certain.

      • AC says:

        Jordan career playoff shooting percentage.- 48.7%..

      • AC says:

        Robert Horry has more rings than either MJ or Kobe, so should he be in top 10?

      • @vmjr "SR" says:

        your argument of comparing kb24 & mj23 can’t be based on one game only!!!

        also you can’t say mj23 won all those championships by him self…
        when a NBA championship is the effort of a TEAM… get it!! Team Plays!!!

        You have to compare the fundamentals, moves, shooting, hustle plays, assist plays individually of each player( mj23 & kb24)…
        and then you could come back and comment!!!

    • Dan says:

      And after left, did the Bulls won? What happened when MJ returned to the Bulls? Another 3-peat.

    • GinSonic says:

      Uhh, comparison between 2 players of 2 different eras dont make any sense. MJ was the best of his time, Kobe will be remembered as the best of his time. discussion finished. out.

      • Tom says:

        AC go lick more jordan ball cuz im sure that if you put MJ on a weak as team like you think he so good let see if he can win champion

      • AC says:

        Go back to the alley, Tom. I’m a Magic-Johnson-era Laker fan. I hated the Bulls and Jordan, but love the game and, simply put, Kobe is limited. See my page-long comment above.

      • AC says:

        Also, you should not reply to me in the space to respond to Gin Sonic. I see that your selection and manners qualify you to be a Kobe fan…

  531. Texas says:

    Lebron took cavs to finals with a scrub team, kobe with a scrub team was barely fighting for the 8 seed and getting eliminated in the first round. Jordan #1 no doubt

  532. fhollar says:

    kobe or no kobe
    who cares?
    MJ said it all and thats it
    kobe is on top 10 not top 20
    He is still the greatest basketballer so give it to me
    he never disrespected kobe for saying that
    some people are just funny
    without shaq-no rings,without gasol -no rings
    LOL

    • Tom says:

      with out pippen no ring with out rodman no ring with out phil no ring

      • MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

        Michael Jordan Developed Scottie Pippen into the Player He became. Did Kobe do that for Shaq or Gasol? I don’t think so.

      • lalala says:

        without shaq no ring. without gasol no ring. without phil no ring for kobe. frig!

    • Peter2010 says:

      Without Pippen NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO nothing.

      • lalala says:

        without Peter2010, less retards

      • Peter2010 says:

        You lalala and ” Greatest of all time” are truely MJ’s p-suckers. How old is MJ? Just by saying he can score 100 points in today’s game, he disrespect all the players today. And you suckers still want to polish his p.

      • Peter2010 says:

        Before your Airness there was a player scored 100 points in a game, After your airness there is a player called Kobe scored 81 points in a game. MJ played more than 15 years in this league, you had tons of chance to do it but you didn’t. Now you say some thing like scoring 100 points in today’s game. What’s your points??????

  533. SpaniardFan says:

    If MJ would’ve not played against KB maybe he would have an objective opinion. Their careers are too much close and overlapped in time and for MJ is difficult to recognize KB as a top player. It’s human, I understand it and he’s not to be blamed for that.
    I’ve watched games of both players and I can tell you… Both are great great great players. Both of them needed to have some help in players like Pippen and Rodman, Shaq and Gasol,…etc.
    But I’ve never seen a player flying and living in the air next to the rim like MJ did. And I’ve never seen a player shooting the impossible, rectifying shots, drilling the net after the toughest shots like KB does.
    Jordan has an inmaculate image all around the world and his fans reveres him. Kobe is loved and hated by equal amounts. His lovers are relentless. His haters always put him away of the debate of being one of the greatest. I think that the debate has sense.

  534. Tenki says:

    @Mike:

    You better ought to find your own psychologist because you put Kobe in such regard that you forgot why Jordan is the greatest to play the game. What accomplishments does Kobe have to be regarded (at least) top 10? Being a sports psychologist doesn’t mean you understand the game, from the rules, the fundamentals, to the history of it. History is based on facts that happened. Are you a 12 year old psychologist who didn’t witness the evolution of the game?

    Put MJ in Kobe’s era, and he would definitely put up a little more than Kobe’s numbers. Why? Did you actually see Jordan play, or at least in video archives? See how strong he finishes each and every drive to the basket. Jordan copied Dr. J’s brand of play, integrated his own style, and it resulted in the highest level of basketball the world has ever seen.

    Put Kobe on Jordan’s era, and he would simply struggle. Although he copied Jordan’s formula for success, it didn’t produce the results Jordan had because he NEVER brought it, at least to Jordan’s level, much more beyond his wildest dreams.

    Unless Kobe pulls off a sweep of individual awards and win the championship at least twice in his career, he’ll never pass the expectations that you brought up with him. Let’s try to make his legacy less simpler: be the second player in the history of the game to register a quintuple-double. Not just the history of the NBA, the history of the game. Olajuwon did it. 1984 NBA first pick overall. Sam Bowie came in second pick. Jordan was third. See what I mean?

  535. lycans says:

    Here’s my TOP 10 guards accdng to what i saw:

    1. Michael Jordan – BULLS
    2. Dwayne Wade – HEAT
    3. Steve Nash – SUNS
    4. Pistol Pete Marivich
    5. Manu Ginobili – SPURS
    6. Reggie Miller – PACERS
    7. Joe Dumars – PISTONS
    8. Ray Allen – SONICS/CELTICS
    9. John Stockton – JAZZ
    10. Kobe Bryant – LAKERS

    There you GO.. Peace brothers!
    9. Baron Davis – WARRIORS

  536. jhay says:

    MICHAEL JORDAN
    # 6× NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
    # 5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998)
    # 14× NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003)
    # 6× NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998)
    # NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
    # 10× All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
    # All-NBA Second Team (1985)
    # 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)
    # NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
    # NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
    # 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
    # 2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1987–1988)
    # 2× Gold Medal Winner in the Olympics (1984, 1992)
    # NBA’s 50th Anniversary All-Time Team

    KOBE BRYANT
    # 5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)
    # 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)
    # NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
    # 12× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2010)
    # 2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
    # 8× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2010)
    # 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
    # 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
    # 8× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)
    # 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)
    # NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
    # 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009)
    # NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1997)

    see the difference? MJ is better than KB

    today basketball is less physical than magic, bird and jordan year…
    if kobe can 81points in 90′s… i’ll go for KB better than MJ…
    KB score 81 against toronto?? c’mon… mj score 60+ against boston…

    that’s all folks

    • MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

      Amen.

    • lalala says:

      true that! 🙂

      • Peter2010 says:

        I am not the guy living in the past, can’t accept new greatness as Kobe Bryanr to Baketball. I bet you didn’t see any game at all but just looking at Stats or highlights. Tell me the truth, did you ever see MJ in person? Wher you get all the info about your airness? I see Kobe playing alive and on tv (also live games, not just highlights). I said lundly Kobe is the best way better than MJ, how that make you think I am a retard or something?

      • Dale says:

        WOW! MJ scored 60+ vs old Larry bird and Danny Ainge? What an accomplishment! Honestly, what would a Kobe Bryant in his prime do vs a aging, non athletic team like BOS? None of BOSTONS starting 5 could jump a half inch off the ground! Who would challenge Kobes jumpshots?

        Jordan worshippers are ridiculous. AI, T mac, Lebron, D wade, any true talent in his prime would destroy that ancient defense..

  537. Hoa says:

    to this day it still amazes me how much you Jordan worshippers are SO ignorant and MYOPIC. you sit there on your computer chairs and talk such blasphemy as if jordan was some kind of basketball god. “Head and shoulders above” of kobe? are you kidding me? there is not a single thing that jordan did that kobe is not ABLE to do. and now look what happens, all you jordan venerators have blown up this man’s ego to the point where years after his retirement, he sits and degrades the game of basketball today and claims to be able to score 100. yes, we know you are jordan. do we think you’re being an arrogant pompous individual, yes. for the love of god, you are retired. yes, you were one of the best players to play in the nba. but for you to sit there and degrade the only person within the NBA today who even comes close as to being mentioned by your name? Jordan, grow up will you ?

    • AC says:

      Kobe is not able to spot an open teammate in pressure situations. Ask Paxson or Kerr if Jordan had the same problem, and the two Bulls titles clinched by shots they hit on assists from a double-teamed Jordan will answer the question. It takes more than athletic talent to be a great basketball player. It’s not a decathlon. Enough said.

    • AC says:

      I’d also take Magic before Kobe, for the same reason. Check George Gervin’s shooting percentages vs Kobe’s.

    • MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

      That’s the problem. He doesn’t even come close. All you have to do is look at the numbers. Kobe’s closer to a Clyde Drexler type a player.

      • Dale says:

        That has got to be one of the dumbest statements of all time. Drexler couldnt tie Kobes shoes! And as for spotting the open teammate in clutch situations, See: The pass to Artest in game 7 2010 finals. and See: the ast to Fisher for the big 3 in OT to beat ORL, 2009 finals. Haters are delusional. The only difference between MJ and Kobe, is that MJ came first.

        The end.

      • KINGKOBE says:

        CLYDE? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude you are dumb. And i guess lebron has passed JORDAN in everything? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  538. zajk says:

    if kobe wins a second three peat, he can be compared, but jordan never lost a final series (never even got to 7 games)… jordan was finals mvp ever time ( 6 times), lead his team to a 72-10 record, averaged more pionts, assists, rebounds and steals than kobe. Both have the same physic, athetic ability, size and weight, both had similar teams. So in my opinion jordan is the best complete player to ever play tha game, but kobe is really close, and perhaps the closest there ever was. No dissrespect to magic, drexler, james, wade, melo, t-mac, carter, pierce, wilkins, barkley, miller (might have forgot some), all of them are top players of their era, but noone of them is close ass kobe is to jordan, and its a fact. Only kobe is that clutch, has the same athletic ability and basketball iq, Competetive spirit, will, and domination in games. that is compareable to jordans, those other guys didnt have that, and he does it now when the games has so many good players, that are more athletic and are better coached and trained. (those other old guys like west,baylor, cousy and the other bounc, were only good becuase noone ellse could play in that time, no dissrespect, its really that simple) russle would never won 11 championships if he had played now….. chamberlain would never have those point/rebound averages as he had then, jet again, players are much better now than they were then,

    So to my conclusion: Kobe is number 2 behind mj and noone ellse is really close (except magic), if he wins 8 when his carrer is finished, then you can say he is better, (is for those two finlas he lost, pistons 04, and cetics 08)
    In the end, its all about winning, and leading your team to a championship.

    ps lebron is a smart guy

    – his not a traitor, cleveland is stupid and doesnt gve him 1 very good player to play with, they just give some little better than average guys t play with, no wounder he leaves. so please cavs fans dont cry and be angry at him, be angry at the cleveland organisation, he realized thet he never would win there, (in the end, its all about winning that sets legends that win from superstars only have good stats and dont win)

  539. spurs fan says:

    Kobe is in the top ten for most arrogant guard of all time. Yes, I am a hater! Let the angry comments come! Down with LA!

  540. Destry White says:

    Jordans insecurities about how he closed his career are so profound here. Kobe Bryant is definately number two.

  541. Dan says:

    KB is a top 10 guard in the history of the NBA. He/Lakers barely won a playoffs series without O’Neal/Gasol in the lineup. Pau is far more important than KB especially in the Finals. I hate when KB won his 1st NBA Finals, that should have been to Pau.

    • Dan says:

      I mean 1st NBA Finals MVP.

      • rigo says:

        LOL NAME ANOTHER GUARD WITH FIVE RINGS? ARE U ANOTHER HATER OF KOBE?LOL HE STILL HAS 5 RINGS DON’T HATE BRO

      • MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

        Your got it. Take away Gasol and Kobe is still trying to get his 4th title. Game 7 2010 NBA Finals. Kobe sucked.

      • KINGKOBE says:

        @MJ GREATEST OF ALL TIME. How many rings would JORDAN have if it wasnt for PIPPEN? You KOBE haters are stupid!! All great players had to have a great supporting cast. Like Lequeen has had, but couldnt get it done becasue he is sorry!!

      • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

        Dan shut the hell up, if Kobe wouldnt have won without Gasol and Shaq then Micheal wouldnt have won without Pippen. And dont hit me with Jordan didnt have a dominant center, last time i checked Pau doesnt like playing center and really isnt a center, he a PF. Do you know anything about basketball, where was Pau before the Lakers on Memphis where they were either not making the playoffs or 1st round exits. Pau needed to be with Kobe just as much Kobe needed Pau, every player needs a good or great 2nd option to go to and Jordan had that in Pippen and other good role players so stop acting like MJ single handly brought Chicago success. His first seven years in the league HE HAD NO CHAMPIONSHIP —thank you very much!!!!!

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        rigo. How many rings do Robert Horry have. Do that make him one of the all time greats. HECK NO.

    • Mike says:

      Take away Pippen and how many does Jordan have? It doesn’t matter if he didn’t play with a dominate center. Kobe never played with a dominate and super versatile player like Pippin – one who could take over a game on both ends of the floor and do a lot of what Jordan did.

      • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

        love your comment, people have a double standard man, criticize kobe one way but dont do it for Lebron or Jordan, so pathetic

      • I used to be a gentleman! says:

        Those double standard really makes me sick.
        When Jordan wins, it’s all about Jordan. When Lebron loses, it’s all because of his team-mates.
        When Kobe wins, it’s all about his team-mates. When Kobe loses, it’s all because of Kobe.
        That’s the reason I called them MJ-P-Suckers. I used to be a Gentleman!

  542. Jordan Sucks says:

    Men Jordan Airness is great! I mean Air in head LOL hahah

  543. Reithor says:

    The longer we advance in time, the more players we have to consider for this issues. The evolution of NBA game and players and it makes more difficult to compare players, mainly because new generations have no live access to what previous players did and feel it inside, or those times remain in the memory of elder fans who will always have the feeling for those great times. After this, there is only one thing that can be said: the greatest one of all time should be Bill Russell. He is the all-time winner.

  544. rigo says:

    jordan is a hater and kobe will have six rings at the end of his career like jordan did. jordan u have to give credit to kobe and no u will never score a 100, in ur career because it alreally over sucks for u.

  545. Jacob From Romania says:

    Kobe is the best player right now in the NBA.And he is the closest to MJ.

  546. rolly says:

    Why is it that Mr. M. Jordan still can’t accept that Kobe is the no. 1 guard in the NBA until now? By saying that Kobe is only at the top ten guards it only shows that Kobe can even dominate Michael J. to the top guard spot in his era…. That’s the reality…….

    • AC says:

      When did Kobe win MVP, Scoring Title, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season? Or Defensive Player of the Year in any season?

      • MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

        Thank You!!

      • Mike says:

        When did Jordan score more than 70 in a game? We can go back and forth with those types of things. Who was there to challenge Jordan like Kobe is constantly challenged in each and every category?

      • lalala says:

        MJ scored 69 against the cavaliers in early 90s. the cavaliers at that time is a PLAYOFF TEAM. plus the hand checking ang all that crap. compare to the toronto raptors that are friggin’ terrible. geez. 81 points? lalalala

      • AC says:

        Jordan also scored 63 against the Celtics in Boston Garden (OT game, but still) IN THE PLAYOFFS very early on in his career.

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

      dude MJ said Kobe is best right now, when he told some basketball camp who is better between Kobe and Lebron, he said KOBE….for MJ to say Kobe is top 10 guards all time is a honor i think because look at how many ALLSTAR MADE guards have been playing the game of basketball all these years…i dont think MJ was disrespecting him on his statement

  547. Texas says:

    You cant say kobe is one of the greatest because of the amount of rings he has because it is farely easy to win in LA because everybody wants to live there and it is EXTREMELY easy to put a great team together in LA. He is one of the greatest because of his consistency, and i am saying this as a HUGE MJ FAN. I never liked kobe but totally respect his work ethic and drive to be the best. He definately has to be one of the top 5 shooting guards of all-time. Michael Jordan will always be number one and he never played with a dominant center.

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

      Pau isnt a dominant center…..so….yea…..Pau is another Pippen to the MAN of KOBE BRYANT, that great sidekick you need to achieve those titles!

  548. robb says:

    Kobe knows how MJ feels about him. The rest of us can only speculate.

  549. brew says:

    MJ is the greatest player ever… kobe is one of the best

  550. Chad says:

    I disagree I got to watch MJ play and he was better then KB he won 6 rings in 7 years and could have had 7 in a roll if he wouldn’t have went and played baseball for a year how many other teams have done that 1 Boston. The game was no challenge to him after winning 3 in a roll.

  551. Brad says:

    Cmon, top 10 guards? I am not even a big Kobe fan & I realize that this guy is easily in the top 5 coversation, possibly just behind Mag in d number 3 spot, Im sure a few old timers r gna throw a few names in there that i’ve never seen play, but thats to be expected. Due to the shear athleticism of the players these days, they r better tthan the stars of decades gone by with a few exceptions of course. Sorry old dudes! Players and the game has evolved, goten better, faster, & unfortunately a little whinier, short on chararcter and full of piss poorly parented punks!(but thats another matter) Give this Kobe kid his due, I can think of no guard that could be put in front of him in that conversation, thats played since I became a basketball fan back in the early 80’s & dont even try n throw a John Stockton at me or u’ll get laughed at(no championships) Kobe definetely needs to be in the overall top 10 all time conversation Mikey, he may never catch u less he goes on to win d nxt 3 in a row winning alll d mvps along the way!

    • AC says:

      If the old-timers had today’s training methods, the athleticism factor would equal itself out. Besides, winning teams do so be teamwork, defense, movement and coaching, not athleticism alone. How could a team like Greece beat the US (a couple of years ago – I believe it was the World Championships) otherwise. Both Larry Brown (only coah to win NCAA and NBA titles) and Phil Jackson (coach with most NBA titles) have said that the team that wins basketball games is the team that makes the best use of all five players on the court at any given time.

    • AC says:

      Remember that Kobe, Shaq et. al never won a playoff series before Phil Jackson arrived.

  552. marvinis says:

    sports writers these days..whew… kobe understands the meaning of what jordan has said but they tried to give double meaning to it…i mean top 10 ALL TIME GUARDS(johnson, jordan, etc )belongs there too he never said kobe’s in the no. 10 spot,.. like what greats said ‘THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS A LONE GREAT PLAYER” without the olds the new ones cease to exist……..comment please

  553. marvinis says:

    sports writers these days..whew… kobe understands the meaning of what jordan has said but they tried to give double meaning to it…i mean top 10 ALL TIME GUARDS(johnson, jordan, etc )belongs there too he never said kobe’s in the no. 10 spot,.. like what greats said ‘THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS A LONE GREAT PLAYER” without the olds the new ones cease to exist…………

    • Mike says:

      Jordan cheated on his wife too. You need to do your research on the type of person he was with his many adulterous acts. His wasn’t as publicized for a few reasons. One, he was the first global icon and nobody wanted to believe it, but more importantly, our communication mechanisms of a few years ago has grown 100 fold since the early and mid 90s. If you did something a few years ago, everyone across the globe knew about it withink minutes. That wasn’t possible during Jordan’s era. He has since admitted to multiple partners when he was trying to reconcile with his wife.

  554. pKone says:

    Why does Kobe have to plead his case to be a top 5 guard? Not that he is, he is being pretty classy about it, but why does anyone need to work to make a case for him??

    His personal stats and where he has brought his team in the playoffs speak for themselves. He has lead, and I really do mean lead, a variety of players to post season bliss with his talent being the only consisitant factor over the decades.

    So why is there argument?

    People want their top 5 to be populated by gentlemen. There is somthing about being able to say, he is great on and off the court. Cheating on your wife, facing rape charges, publically fighting with Shaq and your coach because you don’t feel important enough is all going to scar any mans reputation. And a big diamond ring might smooth things over with his wife, but it does nothing for the rest of us.

    On paper, Kobe’s a top 5 MINIMUM! But I wouldn’t want his reputation sitting next to Jordans….

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

      Look Jordan was and is a mogul, he had other partners bro he just neva got no court case about, and Kobe aint rape that girl man, like lets be serious, her lawyers told her this could be a payday for you and told her to lie about it. Kobe Wife knows this because she could’ve easily left him and took half the money and got child support for the two little girls, they been married since he was 18…and still together till this day, come on man thats LOVE right there.

      But Jordan didnt disrespect Kobe in his comment, he made a good and valid statement, and didnt assign him a number out of the 10 because he knew that would’ve stirred even more criscism and speculation

  555. joewowie says:

    mcgrady is the best!

  556. MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

    Just compare the numbers. Awards, Field goal percentage. For you kids out their who have never seen Michael Jordan play. Try to find some one who has a tape of the Bulls playing against Detroit and The Knicks in the early 1990’s and you will see how much the game has changed and how much more difficult it was to average over 30 points a game year after year. MJ is correct. I don’t understand why people are comparing Kobe to MJ. Other than he has 5 NBA championships, of which lets face it 3 are Shaq’s, no disputing that he got the MVP’s. But other than that the numbers don’t come close.

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

      I agree with you here, 90s era ball was WAY MORE TOUGHER, that hand check rule was something serious….games were veryyyyyy physical

  557. lolode3 says:

    Mj is for me the ultimate player who ever play the game. He is by far the one who inspire many players who play the game now by his numbers, his desire to win and the way to lead the team. He did something so special that is hard to compare him to any players from past, present or future.

    Anyway the one who is close to him is Kobe. At the beginning, nobody could say that, but now he improved so much since he enter the NBA and the fact that he win 2 titles without Oneal prove that he can handle a team. He will be for sure the one who will inspire the next generation as MJ did for him.

    Kobe is the new version of MJ as Lebron will be be the new version of Oscar Robertson when both will retire.

  558. Mike says:

    To settle this debate take Kobe put him on the Bulls during 90 to 98 without Jordan and put MJ on the Lakers for the last three years without Kobe. Now does Kobe win six with those teams? because Jordan would have won all three for the last three without any doubt. Kobe had the Chicago Bull of 92 in 2005 and he was amazing they went no where I dont even think they made the playoffs.

    • Tom says:

      so you saying with out jordan on the bull from the 90-98 they just a piece of junk who cant even make a playoff with Kobe in it? are you kidding me think before you talk cuz last time i check with out pippen or even rodman or phil jackson i dont think MJ come even close to the ring by him self.
      so you think MJ that great y dont you put him 1vs 5 on a team like the nets last year let see if he can win 6 champion.

    • Peter2010 says:

      Without MJ, Bulls could be in conf. final, if there were not a couple of bad calls. If you don’t know something don’t say it.

  559. Trey Peters says:

    Ok for all of you who think Jordan is better even he him self thinks this, he is not, Jordan you are not.
    I dont care if it was more physical back then most of Jordans shots were wide open there was no Shane Battier with a hand touching Jordans nose every time he shot, defense has evolved if you want proof go watch highlights see who has more moves more spectacualr high lights Jordan mostly had open shots because the defense could not keep up with him in the leauge today he would be lucky to avarage 20 points a game and that is truth why because nobody would fall for his small barage of moves in the nba today you get stratigized against tapes of your latest games are rehearsed and watched and defenders plot on you months before games ive seen Kobe take four people on and be unstoppable i have never seen Jordan do any of that, go decide for your self watch Kobe highlights then watch Jordan highlights you will feel like your watching a college game when you see Jordan playing, the thing is hes living in the past things evolve so many kids grew up wanting to be great like mike yes he did start the trend but he has been suceeded by Kobe and also Lebron i put jordan at three or four, the laeauge is much tougher now there are superstars on every team now so get out of the past and realize the lauge gets better theres more people in the world and more kids grow up wanting to be like Mike and Kobe and by the time im 40 there will be someone better then all of them why because they grew up wantng to be like the greats and eventually the greats will be succeded.

    • AC says:

      What about Joe Dumars, Dennis Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Michael Cooper, ML Carr, Bobby Jones, and on and on, as well as the fact that hand-checking, and more physical play in general, were legal in Jordan’s day? I’m afraid that, like Kobe, you are a bit myopic about the value of individual athletic play in basketball.

    • Cuzn Deer says:

      He was wide open because he knew how to create space. Jordan sets you up. He played better against good defenders because he knew exactly what they were goin to do.

  560. AC says:

    There is no doubt that Kobe Bryant is one of the top 10 guards of all time, on sheer talent alone, and also has an admirable work ethic. As a matter of fact, I can only think of two guards I would definitely choose before him, MJ and Magic (I have only been watching the NBA since ’77). Nonetheless, the reason that Kobe will most likely not ever crack my top 10 is that, unlike MJ and Magic, Kobe plays like he wants to be counted among the top 10 of all time, not always to win. Although he has hit many game-winning shots in his career, Kobe’s percentage on such shots is much lower than Jordan’s, Magic’s (who rarely took such shots, and so is not really an apt comparison), and even present-day players like Carmelo Anthony.
    The problem is, Kobe always has taken the shot, whether it was a good shot or not. From his first playoff series against Utah, Kobe has never really understood what a good shot is and will take ridiculous ahots, seemigly TO TAKE OVER games, rather than to win them. This has worked to his advantage, in that he has practiced and will make more bad shots than any other player I can remember, but the fact is, they are still bad shots. For years, such a habit gave that glazed-over look to other players on his team, as Kobe shot triple-tem, fadeaway threes while Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar and others stood wide open across the court.
    That six-for-24 game 7 in last year’s finals game 7 was a prime example of the fact that, even now, he still has not really learned what a good shot is. Can anyone recall any finals game in which Jordan shot six for 24, much less a game 7 of any series? When Jordan was covered, he would hit the open man, and Paxson and Kerr hit finals-clinching shots for two titles on dishes from Jordan.
    If Kobe had gone to college and learned the value of teamwork and defense before taking advantage of his considerable talent as a scorer (the Freshman Jordan was the #3 option, at most on a UNC team that included Seniors James Worthy and Sam Perkins), he may have been able to equal even Jordan’s achievements, or at least be a definite top-10 all time, but, although he became an excellent defender after several years in the league (early on, he was routinely torched by the likes of Ray Allen, while NO ONE EVER lit up the young Jordan, not Drexler, not Ron Harper, NO ONE), he will never surpass Jordan’s achievement of being MVP, Scoring Champion, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season, and his often-questionable shot selection and lack of understanding of the team concept sets him behind many other of the NBA’s greatest of all time.

    • Flavamaker says:

      VERY WELL PUT….I’m a huge laker fan, NBA fan since ’87 but Jordan,(and the Bulls) beat a number of NBA hall of famers to become the greatest of all time
      Magic, Worthy, Perkins, Byron Scott A.C. Green
      Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Cliff Robinson
      Charles Barkley, Kevin Johnson, Thunder Dan Majerle
      Gary Payton, Nate McMillian, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf
      Karl Malone, John Stockton Jeff Hornacek 2X

      and on his way to the finals
      Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, John Starks
      Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Bill Laimbeer
      Reggie Miller, Dale & Antonio Davis, Rik Smits Mark Jackson
      Mark Price, Craig Ehlo, Brad Daughtery
      and I think A.I. must go on that list at least 7-10

      • Mac says:

        Jordan also competed against Ray Allen, A.I., Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett. and these same guys (past their prime and over 34 yrs of age), except for A.I. then are beating everybody, reaching the finals and taking the Lakers to 7 games.
        Talking about new era full of young, athletic and supposedly more talented players nowadays. And the funny thing is that none of these current Boston players are or were superior athletes than Jordan. I keep repeating myself and I think I’ll stop after this comment. Check out what Jordan did at 39 and 40 years of age against younger and superior athletes in 2002 and 2003. Even at 40 he’d be a the top of today’s group. Is there any point in this discussion? Isn’t that telling enough?

  561. Alan says:

    Jordan wasn’t that much better than Kobe is today. Its hard to accurately compare them because they both had completely different teams and that makes a huge difference. If individual acheivements are taken into account then we can all just say that Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest basketball player ever! lol
    The point is Kobe is so similar to Jordan that by saying that kobe is only top 10 in guards it basically lowers Jordan’s status from best player ever.

  562. Chuck says:

    Kobe only wins championships with all star big men to have his back . Jordan made Luc Longley look like Pau Gasol, thats how good he was. Kobe needs 4 more championships as “the” man to be up there with MJ. Then again, if I was 5 years younger, I’d probably be a Kobe fan, its all in who you grew up with.

    • Tom says:

      so you left out pippen just another player?
      last time i check he is the defensive player of the year and properly the best defensive player on the bull when they win and im sure that he also and all star
      dont hate apreciate

    • Peter2010 says:

      He had HOF Scotii Pippen played with him on all his rings. Show some respect to him. When Pau in Menphis, he can not win a single playoff game. Luc Longley is a solid big body and a low post defender. Give him some respect, too. MJ didn’t win 6-rings out of nothing.

  563. JBR says:

    It’s impossible to compare modern players to players from bygone eras. The game, the training, the sheer professionalism has all changed so much.

    If the Kobe Bryant of today had played in the 50’s-70’s (maybe even the 80’s), he would probably be the greatest of all-time. Certainly if he had played in the 50’s he would have been scoring 81 points almost every game. His speed and athleticism would have left the players of the era in the dust.

    And that said, there are DOZENS of players about whom the exact same could be said.

    In the end, my point is that – great as Kobe is – the only thing he can be judged on are his numbers, achievements, and how he compared to the competition of his own era. And based on those facts, he truly is a top-5 guard. He is one of the very best players in an era where the depth of talent has never been greater.

  564. mjgoat says:

    wow… MJ needs to respect Kobe ?? WHY ?? Tell me one good reason… first of all you should respect michael, the greatest of all time and there will ever be!

    Kobe isn’t the greatest player of all times, he isn’t the second and he isn’t even in the top10 of all time greats!

    Top10 Guard ? Maybe… but thats about it!
    MJ has no reason to owe him respect, he allready made a great compliment by putting him in the top10 of guards and by saying he will allways be in the conversation about the greatest of all time!

    And HOW could Kobe stay toe-to-toe with MJ ? In which regard ? There is not ONE category in which kobe is as good as Mike is…. except maybe for celebrating, oh wait….

  565. david king says:

    Possibly he’s thought about this in a different way – for instance, how can you compare Kobe with Stockton or Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Jerry West, Cousy, etc.? Different styles of play, different eras. Perhaps he divides them more finely and refuses to “pit them against eachother” at a certain level, leaving a “top 10” at each position. At a general level, perhaps Kobe’s top 10, but then you’re comparing even more disparate types of players. Has MJ himself ever said he’s the greatest? I think when he’s asked he normally puts himself ‘beside’ others or deflects the question.

  566. The ghost of Red Auerbach says:

    Russel
    Jabaar
    Jordan
    Chamberlain
    Bird
    Johnson
    O’Neal
    Robertson
    Havlicek
    Mikan

    That`s ten. Who do we leave out for Kobe?

    And that is before we consider Malone, Stockton, Thomas, Olajuwon, Cousy, Barry, West, Baylor, Duncan, Erwing or the other Malone. So I guess his Airness was about right…

    • King says:

      Top ten GUARDS.

    • Peter2010 says:

      You are a ghost. You can even read. Top ten Guards, You butt-head.

      • Kyle says:

        Peter2010,

        Did you notice that the article was about the top 10 PLAYERS (to argue against Jordan’s top 10 GUARDS thing)?

        I think his point was that Kobe should not be on the list of top 10 PLAYERS. Top 10 guards, sure. But top 10 players ever? Well, that’s what we are actually arguing, right?

    • Nick says:

      havlicek in the top ten? hahahahahahaha

  567. Mike says:

    I’m just going to come out and say it, Kobe is better than MJ was. Kobe has to play against guys on a nightly basis that are by far better than the competition MJ saw each night. Guys in the league have gotten more and more technically able, they are athletically better and simply put they are bigger than they were in Jordans prime, so it is my honest beleif that if Jordan in his prime played Kobe in his prime Kobe would in that 1 on 1 more times than not.

    I don’t want to take away from the things that MJ did, he was spectacular! I’m a sport psychologist and I can really really appreciate the sheer magnitude of the things that man did, but he has got to give Kobe more respect than calling him a top ten guard!

    • MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

      You know nothing about basketball.

    • Peter2010 says:

      I wish Tenki see your opinion. KB to me is way better than MJ. I will build a team around KB anytime. KB is the heart and soul of the Lakers. MJ was just a tycoon.

      • MJ Greatest of All Time. says:

        Your an idiot.

      • Peter2010 says:

        To “”MJ Great of All Time””:
        Only Idiot here is You MJ’s p-sucker. You do not even see MJ play wher you get MJ’s information? From your mother?
        I watched Kobe play in person. He is the best I ever see. What’s wrong with that?

        To dball: Did anybody expected KB to win in those years? (with Smush, Brown…). I remember everyone said the lakers would be Lottory team if there is no Kobe. I said MJ may have more talent but Kobe is the man I want to build a team around him. What’s wrong with that? All Kobe wants is to win but MJ wanted more. All the Gamblings, Retirements, Contractors, Relationship with Managers and Owner… Do you watch him speech at HOF? Do you agree everything he said? Nobody said he is not G.O.A.T. I just like Kobe more. There is a problem? Move on dude. There will be someone surpass MJ and Kobe and I am OK with that. We can circle the Earth within a day, now. But 100 years ago, we can only dream, right?

    • Mr Jerricho says:

      @Mike

      I must respectfully disagree on your assertion regarding Mr Bryant playing against far better than the competition Mr Jordan encountered. The game is a much different one now……..hand checking, use of the forearm, Illegal Defense rule change, “no charge zone”, the new Technical Foul rules to name a few. The game now is much more offense orientated. Granted, the depth of talent now is a much higher standard league wide, but the physical nature of the game has changed immensely. Look at the clobbering Mr Jordan took at the hands of the Pistons and the Knicks (“Jordan Rules” anyone). Mr Jordan would just pick himself up and continue to play. Would Mr Bryant respond in the same way?

      Larry Brown has said if Mr Jordan was playing today “he would probably be averaging 50 ppg”. Under the current rules, a huge number of those points would be from the free throw line.

      • Kilo says:

        Mr. Bryant has responded the same way for the past few years. Sure, when Kobe first started playing, he whined a lot after being knocked to the ground by some good defense. But now he takes it. He keeps his composure and continues playing the game. Kobe has matured to the point where he knows he’s great, but will let his skills do the talking for him

    • ALFONSO CORRAL says:

      foo your an idoit mitch richmond clyde drexler rolando blackman reggie thues reggie miller john starks joe dumar are just some of the guys jordan had to go against if anything kobe got it easy with brandon roy and D wade being the only elite shooting guards left every body else dont play defence

    • Respect? says:

      Consider who has played at the guard position all time. Look at the hall of fame at the guard position. MJ considers Kobe to be better then 95% of those legends. If that isn’t giving someone respect i don’t know what is. And with respect to the competition todays teams have been watered down due to the number of teams involved. There were 23 teams when jordan came into the leage and every single one of them had a star of sorts, there were no gimme games back then it was fight tooth and nail for every W. Players may be bigger and more athletic now, but they certainly aren’t tougher or meaner i guarantee you that.

    • tribon says:

      go to school ERASE, REPHRASE..go home

  568. Yusuf says:

    MJ totally disrespected Kobe without a doubt.He has to be in the top 5 PLAYERS of all time, not just guards.

  569. Jay says:

    Maybe it’s because Shaq got the NBA MVP and Finals MVP’s and not Kobe when they were togather. Maybe it’s because someone like Steve Nash (no disrespect) is one of the 12 NBA players to receive multiple MVP awards when Kobe only has one. Maybe its because Kobe was 6-24 in Game 7 last year and didn’t realize he was off and only had 2 assist. Maybe it’s because the game is different in 2010 than it was in 1990. For a list of reasons Kobe to me is not one of the top 10 players of all-time. Kobe has never owned the NBA the way Jordan did or Magic did or Larry did.

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

      BottomLine Im going to hit all your points real quick

      1. Kobe deserved those MVP awards in the finals just as much as Shaq, without Kobe scoring 25-30 in those games there would not haven been three championships. Even Shaq credits Kobe, because he knewn it took both of them to get a threepeat PERIOD

      2. Nash didnt deserve those two MVPs because clearly in those years KOBE was HANDS DOWN THE BEST IN LEAGUE, no debate about KOBE or is it LEBRON, it was strictly KOBE, and they gave it to NASH a guy who has never even been in the finals once in his career and none of his teams have ever been bad or in rebuilding mode and he is a HALL OF FAMER POINT GUARD

      3. GAME 7 is all you people talk about, its really pisses me off, because you act like there hasnt been other great players to have off nights and didnt have their teammates come up big for them. Jordan 5-19 vs Utah in the finals or the game Jordan went 15-35…if you going judge kobe on one element then judge the other players the same way or not at all you idiot

      • tribon says:

        kobe 45% shooter..shaq was the one doubled team..jordan triple team entire career..who’s better? kobe is better as a certified loser to paul pierce ’08 finals..demanded for trade 3yrs back..got lucky by a game7 6/24 shooting when it matters most..saved by ron artest..

  570. Tenki says:

    @Peter2010:

    Oh, sorry I forgot to lay out the facts why Jordan retired prematurely. His father was shot dead by the Mafia because those guys wanted Jordan to lose. Jordan is a natural winner, and he paid the ultimate sacrifice because of the love he has for the game. I won’t elaborate that much, I’ll let you do the research. Or much better if you watch Jordan’s testimonials yourself through many forms of media available. That is one intangible Kobe can never surpass Jordan: losing a loved one because you never wanted to lose.

  571. Tenki says:

    @Peter 2010:

    KB over MJ a no-brainer? I think you had it the other way around. Otherwise, your statement came to prove that you don’t have any brains indeed. Or at least your brain’s still developing, hopefully. How old are you, 5? You should ask permission from your parents first before posting your judgment. I can’t believe what you just said.

    I am growing tired of repeatedly explaining to ignorant fans like you that you can’t compare Kobe’s achievements with Jordan’s, because he ain’t there yet. Please refer to my earlier article here to fully understand everything you need to know. I pity you for not doing so. Learn about the game and fully understand it before you have the passion for it. Please, I implore each and everyone blinded by ignorance.

  572. NBA Fanatics says:

    i would say MJ was right, everyone is thinking about what KB doing now but nobody notice when pau gasol is still not part of Lakers. without a dominant center KB is nothing without pau gasol KB will not get his 4th and 5th ring. and even worse without the heroic effort of ron artest the celtics might steal another ring. don’t get me wrong but this is just a opinion for the past 20 years watching NBA. MJ built the legacy without a superstar beside him, but kobe get his ring because of shaq is a dominant force in orlando before transfering to lakers and gasol a dominant center for the grizlies before transferring to lakers.

    ciao

    • Ryan says:

      mj did build it around another superstar, scottie pippen is a hall of famer like mj, and rodman might even get inducted too jordan had alot of help when those 2 came along.

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Pippen was a nobody when he came to the Bulls unlike Shaq an Pau. Jordan taught him how to play. That what made M.J. so great. He taught Pippen how to do all of his dirty work so can be fresh at the end of games. The Bulls gutted their roster and rebiult around Jordan and Pippen then went on to win three more rings. I wanna see the Lakers do that with Kobe and Fisher and no dominant big man..

      • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

        Cuzn Deer you just compared Pippen to Fisher, lol get the hell outta here. Rebuilt around Pippen and Jordan yes, but those two are HALL OF FAMERS, building around Kobe and Fisher??? Are you serious, fisher is a good role player, no hall of famer you dont build your team around him, to compare him to Pippen is just an insult x10….get a clue please

    • Tom says:

      with out pippen or rodman i dont think MJ can get all 6 ring on his own

      • lalala says:

        of course he cant do it alone. its basketball you freak

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        LAKERS 2011 – 3PEAT> You misunderstood what I was saying. Pippen was there for all six of Jordan rings. Fisher was there for all five of Kobes. Kobe made a comment on national TV when Shaq made a comment about helping Kobe win three rings. Kobe said it’s like he could not have won without Fisher to try and insult Shaq.

    • Nick says:

      Anyone who doesnt consider scottie pippen a superstar player is a complete fool and has no business talking about the nba. also, dennis rodman was one of the best power forwards to ever play. Saying jordan won 6 rings by himself is a slap in the face to the great bulls teams of the 90’s. get a clue

  573. Paul says:

    kobe is only 32 years of age and chasing his 6th championship this year.there is still a lot of years to come for kobe bryant. you can’t put a man in a position until he is done with it. therefore kobe still not in a top 10 players but he may exceed form the top ten. maybe top 2 or 3.. top 1 is always be MJ no doubt..

  574. Tenki says:

    Top Ten Guards of the NBA, all-time:

    1. Michael Jordan – who else? Kobe can only dream of him being here.
    2. John Stockton – who do you think can break the almost-16,000 dishes he made? In a single team!
    3. Bob Cousy – Bill Russel’s co-cornerstone of the Celtic Dynasty.
    4. Jerry West – the most familiar icon in the history of basketball.
    5. Wes Unseld – he was the OTHER one who received ROY and MVP honors at the same year. Beat that.
    6. Walt ‘Clyde’ Frazier – Black Jesus was the miracle why NY became champs without Willis Reed.
    7. Kobe Bryant – you still have a few years to work your way up this list!
    8. Jason Kidd – the next best thing to Oscar Robertson.
    9. Reggie Miller – 6’8 and 185 pounds of lean and mean scoring machine.
    10. George Gervin – only ‘Melo scored as much in a quarter.

    This is what I posted in Sekou’s other blog, “Could Jordan Score 100 Today?”. However, I admit that due to some irresponsible fans who keep comparing Jordan to Kobe, which is WAY overboard because it’s as if Kobe has done it better than Jordan, my paradigm has shifted to somewhat “dark”. I mean, Kobe had his share of achievements in the NBA with the Lakers, but so does Magic Johnson. This guy can play five positions in the hard court. He is more versatile than Kobe. He even started as center in a very important Finals game because Kareem was injured, and brought positive results.

    Kobe has five championships compared to Johnson’s 3, but three of those had one BIG reason: SHAQ. Until Bryant wins his fourth title by leading LA to the Finals will he gain my respect. I’m not blaming Kobe for losing the respect I had for him before, it’s because of the guys out there in my previous posts. I am witnessing the widespread ignorance of some of the fans who post in this article because they do not know what they’re talking about. They base their judgment on their ideals, not on the cold, hard facts that can never be changed.

    Here is my new list of the Top Ten Guards of the NBA, All-Time:

    Top Ten Guards of the NBA, all-time:

    1. Michael Jordan – who else? Kobe can only dream of him being here.
    2. John Stockton – who do you think can break the almost-16,000 dishes he made? In a single team!
    3. Bob Cousy – Bill Russel’s co-cornerstone of the Celtic Dynasty.
    4. Jerry West – the most familiar icon in the history of basketball.
    5. Wes Unseld – he was the OTHER one who received ROY and MVP honors at the same year. Beat that.
    6. Walt ‘Clyde’ Frazier – Black Jesus was the miracle why NY became champs without Willis Reed.
    7. Magic Johnson – It’s ShowTime!!!
    8. Jason Kidd – the next best thing to Oscar Robertson.
    9. Reggie Miller – a championship would’ve made you number 6, at least.
    10. George Gervin – only ‘Melo scored as much in a quarter.

    Kobe? Earn MY respect that YOUR FANS took away. Unless they give in to the facts that I’ve been pointing, or at least win FOUR more championships by LEADING your team, then you might get your spot at number 2. And win the Defensive Player of The Year honor at least once in your career. Oh, and here’s another challenge that maybe even Kobe fans MUST agree for Kobe to be number ONE: Sweep the major individual awards (except the Sixth Man Award) in a single season AND win the championship. Maybe it’s asking too much, but Jordan AND Olajuwon did it. TWICE. If Kobe is really destined for greatness, for being the best all-time, he’ll do it in his sleep.

    • pfft says:

      amen to this post!

    • AC says:

      I believe Wes Unseld was a Forward.

    • AC says:

      Magic Johnson also had 5 titles.

    • alexrows says:

      wes unseld played center and i think gervin small forward

    • Saw says:

      Tenki, You need to do more research and get your facts right before posting on here becuase you are making a fool out of yourself.

      First of all Magic have won 5 championships not 3.

      Second of all, look at championship; When we measure the greatness first thing to look at is championship. How many people on your list that has more than Kobe’s 5 championship? 2 or 3, maybe? With a few guys haven’t even win at all. Not to memtion Kobe is still playing and great chance to win more.

      Third personal Stat: Remember his is only 32 and still have at least 3 more yrs left in him.

      POINTS: If Kobe average 20 ppg for next 3 seasons (which he signed), his total be mroe than 30000 pts for career, and only 4 others players has done it and only one player (MJ) on your list.
      ALL NBA TEAM: about 7 or 8 first team and 6 or 7 first defensive team: only MJ has made more on all NBA first team on your list
      MVP: 1 regular MVP, 2 Final MVP, 2 ALL STAR MVP
      SCORING TITLE: 2 times
      ALLSTAR: 11 times allstar 2 MVP
      PLAYOFF PTS: This will put Kobe top 5 of all time because by that time he retire he will have the most playoff pts, with the rate that he’s going.

      Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd? If you ask Reggie Miller and Jason Kidd or anyone from your top 10 list, and they will tell you themself that they are not better than Kobe (except MJ and Magic) because they will respect they kobe’s achivement rather than based on your own sorry-ass, bitter, jealous, and bias opinion.

      Go get a life you loser.

      • Peter2010 says:

        Just a greatest slam on Tenki. From now on, Tenki the Loser. pfft the Loserrrrrrrr.

      • Kilo says:

        @Tenki How can you take Kobe completely off of the list just because his fans pissed you off? You sound like a little kid, get out of here…Kobe definitely deserves to be Top 10, and by the end of his career he’ll be at LEAST Top 5 all time

      • Kilo says:

        Also, so what if Shaq helped Kobe win 3 championships? Kobe helped Shaq win 3 championships too. It’s not a one-man team. Pippen helped Jordan as well. So far Kobe’s won 2 championships without Shaq, and that’s because of Gasol, Farmar, Carter, etc etc etc. So are you saying Kobe’s last 2 rings don’t count either because the rest of the team helped? How many rings has Shaq won without Kobe? One. Your logic is completely ridiculous and you should be ashamed to have even posted this.

      • Zhar says:

        to the above post…

        Dude, all championship teams have an All-star center.

        Except Jordan’s Bulls.

        Ponder on that.

      • rey says:

        @zhar: are you kidding me? do you really think that a good center like Shaq or Gasol is better than defenders like Pippen, Rodman and great shooters like harper, kukoc and kerr?? cmon!! kobe’s the player of the Decade if i remember it right. . . if there was an award before, jordan is clearly the player of his Decade. . .

        @Tenki moron: who from your list accomplished this feat except for jordan if there was a Player of the Decade award in his era??

        @Saw: i agree with you completely. . . ask reggie and kidd if they taught they were better than kobe. . . or better ask Mr. Clutch(jerry west) itself if he think hes better than Kobe. . . Get real man!

      • Peter2010 says:

        To Zhar:
        For last three Champs, there are no all star center at all. Did you watch any of those games?

    • Repsol1 says:

      I’m confused. You say Kidd is the “next best thing” to Oscar Robertson yet you don’t even list Oscar. “Next best” means second to.

    • Big Johnson says:

      Please do your research. like all the other idiots in the blogosphere that don’t want to credit the man. Look at kobe’s numbers in the first three finals and please tell me shaq could have won without kobe. He was killing them even back then. Then look at the magic lakers teams and tell me kareem wasn’t still dominating and atleast vlade was at his best getting charges everywhere to get defensive stops. Please, none of these players did it themselves but to keep bashing kobe because of shaq is just ridiculous. Look if shaq was the best or even close as one of the best big men ever then why could magic win with an old kareem but lebron would bell after losing with a younger shaq.

    • KINGKOBE says:

      Your a dumb ass!! To not have KOBE on this list makes you a dumb ass!! Jason Kidd ahead of KOBE. Dude whatever your smoking, i want some!! I live in LA, come bring it to me.

  575. bobbydigi says:

    It is not a contest at all. MJ is head and shoulders above Kobe who I like and appreciate. First off MJ won his titles without a dominant or good big player unlike Kobe or any other team for that matter, which is a feat that describes the anomaly and proves the fact he is the G.O.A.T.
    And this lady said :”Kobe is a better shooter.”
    That claim is wrong on so many levels, she said it like it is an axiom while not being backed up by a single fact to support it.
    I am claiming that Kobe is not a better shooter then MJ, check their field goal percentage.

    • nervio says:

      so scottie pippen was not a good player are you kidding me, the most versatile defender ever, rodman, arguably the greatest front court defender and rebounder, tony kukoc one of the best 6th man of those times, steve kerr, best 3point shooter, dont be silly son, and this is coming from a jordan homer, the bulls had a terrific team, it was in no way a one man show in none of their 6 rings, i dont think kobe is better than jordan but dont come here and say stupid stuff like that, rodman DOMINATED the boards, pippen DOMINATED the defensive end of the floor along with mike and dennis, so yes jordan did have dominating players with him and very very good role players, you dont win 6 rings by yourself, heck you dont win ONE ring by yourself go ask jordan in his early years or lebron

      • Zhar says:

        Learn to read, son! He said “dominant or good big player”. Gasol, Shaq, and Andrew are pretty dominant compared to Luc Longley. No team has ever one a ‘chip without a great (or at least All-star) big.*fact

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Or go ask Tim Duncan…

    • dylan says:

      yea good argument and all but MJ had scottie Pippen who is a Hall of Famer so Im pretty sure MJ had a good player with him when he won those titles. And your probably going to say that MJ didnt have pippen for all of his titles, well bryant didnt have shaq for all of his.

      • Trill says:

        ya but kobe always had another gr8 support player and look at it now kobe= mj, artest=pippen gasol=rodman the gr8ness is not with in kobe or mj it’s within Phill Jackson with out phill non of them would b as good as they r

      • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

        Trill shutup, because you sound stupid. Look to win a championship takes more than JUS AN ALL-STAR they need good role players and a good or great 2nd option to help them. Like its funny how all you people say Kobe had Shaq and Gasol, like Micheal didnt have a TOP 50 HALL OF FAMER PIPPEN by his side and good role players like RODMAN to help him to gain his titles. Also do you people realize LEBRON has just teamed up with WADE AND BOSH, any championship they win PROVES that the almight KING didnt do it on his own and unlike KOBE WIT SHAQ, LEBRON NEEDED TWO ALLSTARS TO DO IT…..check ya’selves forreal

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Phil was smart enough to run to teams with the best players. He haven’t coached in the Olympics. Why? He can only coach one way. The triangle. That system will get destroyed against the international teams. Did anyone see the Lakers and Barcelona game. Kobe has a weakness. He can’t defend in the post. I wanna see what he does against the Milwaukee Bucks and Corey Magetti.

    • Big Johnson says:

      actually he shots better from behind the arc and he shots better from the free throw line. look up the numbers. if we are to only look at 2 point shooting percentage lebron is like 2nd best all time only behind wilt i believe maybr i wrong though and he is number one. so tell me lebron is way better than jordan evr was. i don’t think so. When the man that coached them both says he thinks kobe is better after coaching them both extensively and winning with them both i think that should stop all neesayers. you tube it. And for the rest of you still putting him behind magic, you wish. If kobe had magics size he woulda been able to play center also, look how he plays post right know and tell me i’m wrong. Im still in the jordan edges him area but it’s not because of what any of you mentioned. When jordan shot the ball i believed it would go in everytime just cause it looked so good. I still cringe when kobe shots sometimes even though some of those crazy ridiculous shots fall over and over again, although maybe that’s the real reason for the conversation they have that ability to just make us believe in the magic.

    • tribon says:

      kobe 45% shooter..MJ23 50%

  576. EJlicayan says:

    i agree you will never clearly see Kobe’s significance in the NBA until he retires, he’s the only player in the current league that can make me WOW.
    for everybody what Mike said to Kobe was a challenge for him to elevate his game more and more, don’t take it the wrong way.
    i’ve got a huge feeling Kobe’s gonna exceed Mike’s achievements as a team player and leader.

    • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

      finally someone with some sense, damn…people just hate kobe for no damn reason, its sad and pathetic

      • Mac says:

        I’m not a Kobe Hater. I actually thaught the whole case against him, was fabricated to get money. In today’s NBA I regard him as the best. He’s today number 1 player. Lebron is closing in fast, but he’s still the man, but I saw every championship season of the bulls and apologies to other Kobe fans, but he’s not better than Jordan. Why not? I think Kobe has lost a step too early compared to Jordan. He’s been diminishing these last two years. Doesn’t matter the reason, but it looks like physically he’s starting to break down. You don’t really feel the Kobe threat anymore. Hopefully he’ll get back in top shape, but still we won’t approach Jordan. His Airness is still number 1. I don’t know who’s number 2.

  577. LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says:

    i love this, even jordan knows it….you have to give kobe the credit he deserves…i also like how kobe kept it classy and didnt say he should be top 5…i love this guy, i will hate to see him go when he finally retires….probably then people will truly understand his greatness, from his skill set to his killer instinct to the way he adjusts his game time after time when coming back from injuries to still play at an elite level

    Lakers 3 peat baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  578. Peter2010 says:

    From now on, I will put KB ahead of MJ. I will choose KB over MJ to form a team, it’s no brainer. Just thinking of MJ’s retirement issue, I question he did not respect the game. He thought he is the game. His HOF speech proved I am right.
    When KB got fifth ring, he said that ” Now, I can have dinner with Magic” or something like that. KB to this Lakers team is way more significent to MJ to Bulls. Without MJ Bulls could go conf. final, but without KB, Lakers would be first round out every year.
    To me, MJ may have more Talent, but KB is the man we should follow. I don’t think MJ can handle KB’s case from a champnion team 2000-2002 to rebuild 2004-2008 then champnion again 2009-2010. Just by looking Wizards’ mess, you will believe me.
    We are talking All Time Great, not the Most Talented here.

    • pfft says:

      i have nothing against kobe but talking talking like that jordan is unacceptable. you said it yourself, we’re talking about All Time Great. we’re talking about the best basketball player ever. then you bring up those retirement issues about jordan? that has nothing to do with what he did on the court. he was, he is and he will be the greatest basketball player ever.

    • ghassan says:

      1st of all i love watching kobe play basketball , he is the only player right now that has no weaknesses. but to put him over MJ that is absoured . if you compare both players in everything; rings , points , blocks ,MVP’S…..etc you will see that MJ had better numbers except 3 points. so in order to say the kobeis better you need to back it up with facts and I’M sure you have non. so do better reserch and watch A LOT OF YOU TUBE TO UNDERSTAND WHATMJ TRUELY WAS .
      MY TOP 10 GUARDS PG AND SG :
      1- MJ
      2- MAGIC sorry kobe you are not there yet
      3-KOBE
      4-OSCAR ROBERTSON triple double in a season . excuse me but that is something
      5- JERRY WEST the nba logo
      6- JOHN STOCKTEN
      7- ISIAH THOMAS
      8-CLYDE DREXCLYER
      9-REGGIE MILLER
      10- DWAYNE WADE i know but he is my favourit player , i had to put him somewhere ,especially for the 2006 run

      • Peter2010 says:

        In your case, do you or your airness really need to say KB is in top TEN? If you are top three on somrthing in your class and sb say you are definitely top ten in your class, what do you feel? Respect or disrespect? At least, you will say ” Do you know me at all?”

      • jordan has an ego says:

        Hey! lol i agrre with you MJ is the best but………kobe is way better listen jordan was good but jordan started wining all those championships when magic and bird where old. he couldnt do it in the 80s. he had basically the same team from 1987 to like 1993? there was nozone defense and all jordan can say is theres no hand checking now? seriosuly if manu ginobli played in the 90s he would be 3 best player in the nba so would tayshaun prince…league is so hard these days that allen iverson best player of all time can not get into the nba?? he can still score 20 trust me. but let me get back to my point theres like 4 or 5 all stars on one team. and a lot of people back jordan up but its 2010 lol. and some people just dont want the legend do go down so they back him up. i understand that caus jordan was good but kobe is way better. jordan copied off of dr. j he even said that and kobe took jordans moves every player does that. and jordan was completely dominaiting everyone.

    • Ippy says:

      Kobe hasnt passed Magic yet and i dont mean championships. I dont want to sound too disrespectful to my fellow blogers but some of the blogers’ knowledge starts from Magic or even Jordan eras. I just want to focus on basketball here not other junk like rape case as these individuals choose to or not put themselves in such mess, to come out of it and become better player is irrelevant. Jordan was drafted by Bulls which at the time was equivalent of Minesota or other poorly faring teams in the NBA, he had 3yrs at College and had Phill Jackson (a rookie Phil who hadnt won anything) 5year since he came into the League, Jordan like Mohammed Ali had time off when he was at his prime and retired when he was on top for the second time in 98. Not trying to be presumptious but if MJ had the environment KB has had like winning franchise, Zen Master that is Phil Jackson upgrade, and these NBA rules aiming at protecting stars, he would have won more than ‘just 6 rings’. Number wise, when Jordan was scoring 69pts, he had 18 rebounds, 6 assists, 62% fg taking just 2 3pointers against a team that had to win to get to the playoffs Cavs. While 81 is commendable, it was against Toronto, probably last defensive team in NBA and his team mates were just spectators on the court. Jordan 63 was on Boston in the playoffs, equivalent of scoring 63 on Lakers or Celtics in the playoffs playing for 8th seed in todays NBA, NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Jordan numbers were so spectacular that u only need to have been a basketball fan during his era to believe. Magic Johnson is still the LA top baller. 8 finals in 11 seasons, avaraging 20+pts, 13 assists, 6rebs, winning 5 tittles, second in League history in Tripple Doubles, all that happening during the era where there was Bird and the great Celtics team of 80’s. Sigh!! If heads only knew…..

      • Marc Gonzalez says:

        TELL KOBE TO RETIRE AFTER THIS SEASON AND COME BACK IN 2 YEARS. SEE IF HE CAN WIN 3 IN A ROW. THERES NO COMPARISON. KOBE MITE BEST BEST SCORER EVER BUT ALL ROUND GAME, HELL NO. HOW IS KOBE THE BEST RITE NOW IF EVERYONE AGREED THAT LEBRON COULD BEAT HIM 1 ON 1??? PLUS LEBRON PASSES BETTER AND REBOUNDS BETTER. KOBE IS JUST A SCORER. LAST YEAR PAU GASOL SHOULD HAVE BEEN NBA FINALS MVP

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Thank you Thank you Thank you. I rest my case.

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Lebron will retire as the best statistical player to ever play the game not the best player.

      • LAKERS 2011 - 3PEAT says: says:

        Marc Gonzalez you are a straight idiot, like come on, Kobe has way more miles on him than Jordan. Played more playoff games and more years. Jordan could retire and come back basically because he didnt play as many years as Kobe. WHy do you think steve nash is still elite at 36 or 37 (whatever he is) its because in the beginning of his career he was on the damn bench, games and time he didnt spend playing so his legs are still under him now. Kobe been playin since he was 18, been in so many playoff games so many miles on this guy for him to be still playin elite basketball is tremendous, learn about the game before you post ridicolous comments

      • KINGKOBE says:

        @MARC GONZALEZ. Tell KOBE to retire after this season and come back in 2 years? What kind of since does that make? He will be three years old dumb ass!! KOBE is better than lequeen can ever dream of being. 7 seasons in the league with no rings and your trying to compare punks ass lebron to KOBE?!! Dude, your an idiot!!

    • John Money says:

      MJ did not choose to retire. if you dont the history then just your mouth shut. Do you know how MJ’s dad die? if he did not retire, He will get kill by some gang too. It was all about gambling. They want MJ to lose, but he won. He will get kill if he not retire.

      • Peter2010 says:

        Is there any one gun point to your airness to let him to say that right now?

      • Trill says:

        that right thur proves mj is the gr8st player of al time gangs were threating to kill his father and his family nobody is doin that 2 kb

      • KINGKOBE says:

        @CUZN DEER Who cares of Lebron retires as the best statiscal player ever. I thought basketball players played the game to win championships, not to be the best stat player. Well lequeen can have all the stats he wants. KOBE will continue to collect championships. Your another dummy!!!

    • Jay says:

      Kobe could never be ahead of Michael Jordan. First of all, 3 out of his five rings came as result of Shaq being the most dominant force in the league and on the Laker team. Jordan from the time he first put on a bulls uniform was the guy. He was always the person that the team looked up to. In addition, Jordan’s team never had a under .500 record in his prime. No matter what coaches were on the Bulls staff, he always made the playoffs. As of Kobe, when Shaq left the team, for two years he could not come close to making the playoffs. Also, Kobe did play in the time Jordan, Magic, and Bird. It was such a physical game back then, I don’t think Kobe would even make the top five in scoring if he played in their era. It’s true, if Jordan had a chance to play in this era, with all the rule changes, he would have a 100pt game.

      • Mario Navarro says:

        @JAY..i agree Jordan would be the scoring champion every other year. The yguy was an absolute monster..unguardable most of the time. Double-Triple team on him and he somehow someway managed to score..Ive never seen someone draw so many fouls..the freeze fake was invented by Jordan…look at Wade..and look at Kobe’s style of play…he tries to resemble MJ even by sticking his toungue out. MJ #1 …Kobe top 10

    • TO Mark Gonzalez COMMENT says:

      First of all kobe did the same beat like 5 all stars boston in game 7 last year…and i knw the histroy of the game i could nab u every player on the bulls teams and other teams as well even thrid strings. bro lol the celtics last year would mop up the suns team in 1993?????? and so would san antonio of last year??? parker way better than kj and duncan better than barkley? some people get mad cuz they dont want the legend to go down thats jordan lol but thats kidish lol immature??? if kobes better hes better thats it? kust look at the utah jazz depth chart 1997 and 1998 they had like a guy name ostertag as center he was wack!!!! i know lol c mon man and peippen was like the 2nd best player in the nba and when jordan retired the first time pippen and the bulls won 53 games without jordan.

      • Mac says:

        Boston’s 5 all stars last year? I respect Pierce, Allen and Garnett, but they are nowhere near their prime be used as an example in Kobe’s favor. On the contrary, it’s a shame that LA needed 7 games to beat these 34+ years old ex-all stars.
        In their real prime LA would’ve needed at least 10 games to try to win 4.

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Pau beat Boston not Kobe. Until Kobe win without a big man he gets no respect.

    • ALFONSO CORRAL says:

      you do know the team that drafted him was known as terribulls right he built hes own dynasty unlike kobe whos been feed with a silver spoon since day 1 in the nba

      • lebaby james says:

        are you serious? kobe was spoon fed since day 1? or are you referring to lebron james? lol.. kobe was drafted by charlotte he just got traded because jerry west saw the potential. jordan is pressured right now because now hes not alone in a car. kobe is in the backseat. so that means jordan is still ahead of kobe. but kobe is still playing. and did you guys forget that last yr when they won a championship kobe was injured.why dont you try playing with a broken finger on your shooting hand and compete with the celtics. even lebron who is a beast cant even beat the celtics. if jordan played in this era he would have a hard time. kobe did not win multiple MVPS because ha had that rape case which doesnt sit very well with the media. MVPS dont matter that much because its not the players who play vote.

        TO CUZN DEER

        Youre really funny. basketball is team sport and not an individual sport. When jordan won titles did he win it by himself? without a big man? really? haha.. When Magic won a title didnt he have kareem? when Tim duncan won didnt he have david robinson? when the rockets won didnt they have olajuwon? (they beat shaq and penny in orlando)
        when the celtics won they had KG and perk. when the lakers won they had pau but they did not have bynum.. and plus the lakers are in the west.

    • Ignorant. says:

      Are you joking me? Without kobe, they’d be first round? HELL NO. Kobe’s one of the most inefficient top players of all time.
      The Lakers without Kobe in his first 3-peat would’ve been fine with Shaq’s dominance in the paint. The past two, they STILL would’ve been fine. If the other players had been allowed more shots, then the Lakers still would’ve had excellent streaks in the playoffs. MJ’s 91-93 Bulls wouldn’t have even made the playoffs without him. 96-98, maybe first round.
      MJ was the man in all 6 of his playoff runs. He exemplifies love of the game.
      Kobe’s just overhyped because of all the fanboys that are ignorant of basketball history. He’s a top 10 guard, but not top 10 player.
      Also, our league is weak with all the watered-down teams and the lack of good defense. I’d like to see kobe ball hogging in an era with hand-checking and no defensive 3 seconds.

    • dball says:

      dude are you high? even with kobe the lakers where out in the first round remember phoenix series( KB closed line by bell) and when did coming out of retirement became disrespectful????? its called love of the game ,ask any players who retired and maybe most of them would love to play if their body will permit them to.obviously MJ can still play when he came back he was the only player at 40 who scored 40 points (i bet kobe retires before 40) and you said MJ may have a hard time in rebuilding a team …. common they won 70 games after they lost in the playoffs and they won 3 championships… and the wizards, he was 38 for crying out loud do you expect a 38 yr old player to be the main man????? he went back to help and prove that he can still play and they did improve and he still can play there is no shame and disrespect there

      • dball says:

        my comment was for peter 10

      • Peter2010 says:

        To dball: Did anybody expected KB to win in those years? (with Smush, Brown…). I remember everyone said the lakers would be Lottory team if there is no Kobe. I said MJ may have more talent but Kobe is the man I want to build a team around him. What’s wrong with that? All Kobe wants is to win but MJ wanted more. All the Gamblings, Retirements, Contractors, Relationship with Managers and Owner… Do you watch him speech at HOF? Do you agree everything he said? Nobody said he is not G.O.A.T. I just like Kobe more. There is a problem? Move on dude. There will be someone surpass MJ and Kobe and I am OK with that. We can circle the Earth within a day, now. But 100 years ago, we can only dream, right?

  579. Tommy says:

    If Kobe doesnt make it in the top 5, then nobody will make it from this day forward. Period. Bryant has been dominating the game on so many levels for so many years, I highly doubt we will ever see such dominance anytime soon (if ever)

    • The Truth says:

      I think jordan is wrong how is he top ten when he is one ring shy of jordan, and if its not about rings then kobe should definitly be in the the best. the competition in 2010 is way tougher. and if dwyane wade alone was in playin in the 90s he would be 2nd best plaer in the nba. so kobe is playing and wining with better oppostion. back then they had like 1 or two all stars on one team now its like 3 or 4 or even 5 all stars. kobe best hands down and jordan was my fav player as well. This is why kobe is number 1 and beat out jordan as number 1.

      1) 2010 better competition
      2) 1990s best guards- jordan,mitch richmond,reggie miller,grant hill
      3) Dwyane wade is better than all the guards of 90s ecept jordan. and iam not counting lebron,durant tyreke evans,b-roy.
      4) point guard driven league 90s point guards? jon stockton and gary payton? 2010- nash,paul,deron,tony parker,baron davis, tyreke evans,aaron brooks,stephan curry,westbrook.
      5) No zone defense. none in 1990s.
      6) jordan finals competition, 1991-old magic johnson retire couple years later. 1992- blazers with only drexler and porter? 1993- charles barkley thas it. 1995-looses by shaq and penny 1996- gary payton and kemp 1997-stockton and mlaone two guys??? 1998-stockton and malone two guys again??
      7) 2000s finals team Lakers-kobe gasol,bynum/spurs parker,ginobli,tim duncan david robinson./pistons-billups,wallace/b wallace/tayshaun/hamilton/okur/ just to name a few who better than tayshaun prince iin the 90s lol seriously. well i do agree with the comment above.

      • Jesse says:

        yeah it is true their are better players now then MJ time. But look what happen once MJ retired and then came back the bulls didnt do anything when he retired but once he came back they won 3 rings again. MJ made the team. The only other person on the Bulls that was good afterwards was Steve Kerr and he help the Spurs get a ring. Scottie Pippin never heard of him again after Michael Jordan left and everyone else on the Bulls u dont hear them at all. MJ made the Bulls. Kobe is adding to what the past Lakers have made the team franchise. Michael Jordan made the Bulls franchise.

      • Marc Gonzalez says:

        YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT BASKETBALL. KOBE HAS FISHER, ARTEST, ODOM, GASOL, BYNUM. JORDAN JUST HAD PIPPEN FOR THE 1ST 3. THE SECOND 3 RODMAN AND RON HARPER HELPED OUT ALOT. IN 91 WHEN THE BULLS PLAYED THE LAKERS THE LAKERS HAD MAGIC, BYRON SCOTT, JAMES WORTHY, VLADE DIVAC, SAM PERKINS, AN EXPLOSIVE ELDEN CAMBELL, A.C GREEN. THATS A LOADED TEAM. WAY MORE GUNS THAN THE BULLS HAD. IN 92 THE BLAZERS HAD DREXLER, TERRY PORTER, DANNY AINGE, KEVIN DUCKWORTH, CLIFF ROBINSON, BUCK WILLIAMS, ROBERT BACK, JEROME KERSEY. AGAIN, THAT WAS A TEAM WITH MORE GUNS AND “GREAT” TEAM CHEMISTRY. IN 93, THE SUNS HAD BARKLEY, KEVIN JOHNSON WHOS 1 OF THE BEST PG’S IVE SEEN, TOM CHAMBERS, CEDRIC CEBALLOS, THUNDER DAN MAJERLE, VETERAN KURT RAMBIS, AND OLIVER MILLER. AGAIN THEY BEAT A TEAM WITH MORE TALENTA AND GUNS. EVERY TEAM KOBE EVER WON WITH HES HAD MULTIPLE VERY GOOD PLAYERS NEXT TO HIM. JORDAN JUST NEEDED 1

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        The players today are not better players they are better athletes. The NBA is watered down. It looks like organized street ball.

      • TO JESSE' COMMENT says:

        u have good points but i can answer it. When michael jordan retired scottie pippen was the best playre on the bulls…i know that 100 percent thats why pippen just entered the hall of fame. pippen still made it to the playoff witht the bulls without jordan they won 53 games. When jordan came back they lost to orlando shaqs teams. then the next year bulls won. people forget that scottie pippen was the second best player in the nba. next to jordan. and scottie pippen was the best wing peremeter defender ever in the nba. just go as jeff van gundy lol. the the is jordan didnt have to play the second best player because pippen was on his team. and they had dennis rodman who lead the nba in rebounds like 6 times in a row???? thats crazy dwight howard hasnt done that yet. howard has like 3 times. so he had good playrs and steve kerr was a role player like steve blake. i understand a lot of people dont want to put the legend down cause all the hyp and commericals but bro kobe is way better. i think jordans comment says more about him then it does kobe? jordan has an ego.

      • Lakers ALL DAY says:

        MARC GONZALEz — YOU obviously don’t know basketball because you said Pippen only played in Jordan’s first 3 championships. He was on the Bulls for ALL of Jordan’s champtions, moron! Without Pippen, there would be NO championships! I CANNOT STAND PEOPLE WHO LEAVE COMMENTS ON HERE THINKING THEY KNOW THEIR ISH WHEN THEY ARE VERY WRONG!

      • dball says:

        to the truth..

        MJ is no 1 not KB first of all MJ never lost in the finals every time he went to the finals he dominated it while KB lost to the pistons and the celtics. second is MJ had more season and finals MVP than KB third he is no 3 in the NBA’s all time scoring list and he also became a defensive player in a regular season and forth MJ in his 40’s scored 20 PPG in washington so unless KB has passed this things i think it is safe to say that MJ is no 1 and KB is no 2

      • SS says:

        ….if wade played in 90s he would get an injury in the first 10 games of season and never play in any playoff games…

    • Dan says:

      To mark Jordan only needed one? u list alot of role players why don’t we add chicago’s. Pippen obviously a 50 greatest player of all time. Huge help. Harper multiple all star and Phil Jackson turned him into a defensive stopper that can still score when needed. Rodman a freak of nature rebounder and is probably the best stats put up in that department since wilt dominated. Also again a fantastic defender. O and that international small forward who would start on most teams and is an explosive scorer who can reach 30 in a hurry in Tony Kukoch. He also played with Cartwright who was also an all-star so dnt tell me he played with scrubs when his team was clearly just as loaded and o
      jesse the bulls MADE THE FINALS WITHOUT JORDAN Pippen had a good run at the front of the team and took control after Jordan Left? an aging pippen led portland to a heated game 7 in the western semi’s vs the eventual champion lakers. Then age effected pippens game, and he retired. Rodman joined the lakers but never would show up to practice so he got cut and eventually retired. Cartwright went on to win a ring with L.A. in an all star year and Kukoch whent on to start for the Milwaulkee. so despite pippens age he found sucess so did Cartwright. Rodman retired and Kukoch started for a sub 500 team. you aint a basketball fan if you havent heard of em since. The bulls without Jordan were STILL THE BEST TEAM IN THE EAST AND GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE IT TO THE FINALS. and still had sucessful careers after he departured or in some cases before (harper and rodman) get some basketball IQ before u post these idiotic comments both of u

    • Mac says:

      Wak up Tommy. It’s time to go to school.

    • ALFONSO CORRAL says:

      how has he bewen domainating if other players have been putting up better numbers

  580. jov says:

    MJ adding fuel to the fire, more motivation to kobe 🙂 kobe is one of the best all time not just because of his skill set or how he closes games but also how he adjusts his game every time he gets injured, one of the toughest player ever to play the game.

    • bob says:

      i agree totaly , MJ is a legend , and Kobe in his 32 years old is a still linving and playing legend himslef , i wasnt at Mj era , but i was at KObe’s so if Mj is number one , deffinitly Kobe is number 2 no doubt , even though for me i put them both in nbr 1 , period.

      • R4 says:

        Are serious. Kobe was a true leader in only 3 champsionship wins. MJ was a leading in all his six ring. When you comes down to it MJ took control of his own destiny. No other player has ever done that other than Magic Johnson, People forget that he was a talented player and It should just be about kobe vs. MJ but it should really be about Kobe vs. Magic. Who better???

      • REAL says:

        First of all scottie pippen was the second best player in the nba next to jordan. when jordan retired the first time in like 94 or w/e scottie pippen and the bulls won 53 games????????? thats crazy without jordan. thats more than okc and portland last year…thats the same amount of wins ans utah jazz last year with deron williams and boozer who beat melo and billups last year. so noone can say jordan did it by himself and add the 1990s players u can not compare those guys to guys today manu ginbli and tayshaun prince would be 3 best player in the 1990s bro. and 90s had no zone defense. and jordan could not beat magic and bird in their brime. jordan played since 84 had be beat magic only once. like 2 years before magic retired??????? so basically jordan was dominating the nba with no one to challenge him pippen was on his team. pippen was the best peremeter defender in the nba. just go ask jeff van gundy lol. seriously and jordan is good dont get me wrong in that time but 2010 is defferent all iveson cant even get in to the nba??????? and mcgrady almost didnt either? nba is tough now ur not just competing with player in america but around the world. people just dont want to put the legend down so they back jordan up butu got to speak the truth if kobes better hes better thats it…some people are immature lol. oh yeah and jordan had rodman in the second three peat just in case u didnt know rodman led the nba in like rebounds 7 times in a rown maybe 6. thats more than dwight howard lol. crazy. so jordan did have talent and for people getin mad at lebron for going to wades team lol jordan almost did the same thing???? he said once that after he retired that if pippen left he wouldnt come back to the bulls. he wanted pippen on his team. and kobe wanted to leave as well the main thing is kobes not top 10 more like number 2 and lebrons number 1 in the league

      • THE TRUTH says:

        HOLD UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEFORE I START WHY CANT ANYONE SIGN ALLEN IVERSON?????? HE COULD STILL SCORE 20 PPG THE PROBLEM IS THE TEAMS GIVE HIM A SMALL ROLE?? CAUSE THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR YOUNG PLAYERS. THATS MESSED UP…..SO THE BOCATS CANT SIGN HIM??? SO DJ AUGUSTIN IS BETTER THAN IVERSON????? AND IAM NOT EVEN A IVERSON FAN. LUKE RIDOUNR IS BETTER THAN IVERSON WOLVES CANT SIGN HIM? WHY SHOULD HE COME OFF THE BENCH IS HES BETTER THAN OTHER STARTING PLAYERS??????????? THATS CRZY. ALL THEY GOT TO DO IS HAND IVERSON THE BALL AND HE WILL SCORE 20 A GAME. AAIN THEY ARE GIVIN HIM SMALL ROLES.

        FIRST OF ALL KOBES BETTER THAN JORDAN HERES MY REASON WHY. MANU GINOBLI WOULD BE THE SECOND BEST PLAYER IN THE 90S LOL. SERIOUSLY. NEXT TO JORDAN. AND JORDAN BEAT MAGIC ONCE AND JORDAN PLAYED SINCE 1984…. AND HE BEAT MAGIC LIKE TWO YEARS BEFORE MAGIC RETIRED. AND THE BULLS WON 53 GAMES WITHOUT JORDAN WHEN JORDAN RETIRD IN 94 I THINK IT WAS. 53 GAME HIS TEAM HAD TALENT. LEBRON LEAVES CAVS AND THEY MIGHT WIN LIKE 20 GAMES LOL. SO JORDAN HAD TALENT. KOBE IS NOT TOP TEN…. MORE LIKE TOP 1 OR 2 MAYBE 3.

      • David1 says:

        HEY!!!!!!!!!!! WHY CANT ANYONE SIGN ALLEN IVERSON?????????? FIRST OF ALL DJ AUGUSTIN AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON SO WHY AINT BOBCATS SIGNING IVERSON. IVERSON COULD STILL SCORE 20PPG BUT TEAMS HAVE GIVEN HIM A SMALL ROLE ON THEIR TEAMS SO THEY CAN DEVELOP THEIR YOUNGER PLAYERS. LUKE RDIOUNR AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON SO WHY NOT THE WOLVES SIGHN HIM????? AND THE KNICKS???????? IVERSON AT THE 2. FELTON AT THE ONE. JUST LIKE CURRY AND MONTA IN GOLDEN STATE OR LIKE SNOW AND IVERSON IN PHILLY…..??????? SERIOUSLY IVERSON IS CHEAP RIGHT NOW U GOT TO PAY HIM LIKE 1.5. MILL OR LESS????? HES NOT GONNA MESS UP ANY CHEMISRTY CAUSE THE BAD TEAM DONT HAVE CHEMISTRY LOL. AND AZUBKE IS OUT FOR LIKE A MONTH ON THE KNICKS. AND RODGER MASON AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON. WHY SHOULD IVERSON COME OFF THE BENCH WHEN HES BETTER THAN OTHER STARTES SUCH AS ROGER MASON OR LUKE RODOUNR OR ANTHONY MORROW. SERIOUSLY HE CAN TEACH AUGUSTIN OR SOMEONE OTHER YOUGSTER ABOUT THE GAME AND HE CAN STILL BRING IN TICKET SALES AND IF HE LEAVES THE TEAM MAKE SURE U PUT SOMETHING IN HIS CONTRACT THAT SAYS IF HE LEAVES HE GETS HALF OR MORE THAN HALF HIS SALARY TOOKEN AWAY A A BIG PENALTY????? SERIOUSLY. SOMEONE SIGHN IVERSON AND IAM NOT EVEN AN IVERSON FAN. IT IS RIDICULOUS!.

      • R4 says:

        Okay Jordan team when enough games to consider that kobe is closer than one may think. But the end of the day Jordan lead his team to 6 rings not 3 rings. Shaq was the team leader for the first 3 rings. He proved it when he left LA and won with the Heat. At the end of the day 53 wins doesn’t equal a championship year because you need the greatest of all team to carry you over the hump. Let me remind you lakers fans. That kobe doesn’t carry a team because the first year you guys played the celtics you lost because you guys never had Pau. Secondly when LA is health you guys win but don’t win because of Kobe you will because of Pau. Take Pau out of the playoff and do you guys think you guys can truly win without Pau Gasol. I sure would love to see you guys Prove it. Last year God was on the lakers side becasue if Perkins was health Boston would of took it. Kobe is good but still not better than Magic Johnson. If a lakers fan disagree then you just started to watch basketball just the other day.

      • jordan 4ever says:

        “the truth” umm just thought id give you a reality check..
        kobe will never be half of wat jordan was in his prime

      • witness961 says:

        kobe is top 10. mj is number 1 on that list but kobe is not number 2. the number 2 spot arguably belongs to either one of these men: shaquile o’neal, tim duncan, or magic johnson. kb comes after any of these 3. anyone that knows NBA would agree. im a nba fan, im not bias towards any player, i just simply watch and based on what ive been watching kb is top 10 or 5 even, but can never be #1 and not YET at #2.

      • Champkobe says:

        Its not merely the points Iverson can score, its how he will influence other people and how he may fit in with the team. Sure, he may score 20 per game, but if his team loses more than last year, is it worth it? As for Kobe, Hes damm good, but not at Michael level YET. Kobe still has 8 years to prove himself though, so don’t turn your heads away from him

      • ENZOmnia says:

        Kobe could never be better than MJ.. I was shocked to hear that lady say that Kobe is a better shooter than MJ.. Hell no!! I watched MJ’s championship winning streaks since I was like 9 or 10 years old.. No one could ever be or better than MJ.. Maybe after a few decades there will be.. Kobe sucks!

    • Cuzn Deer says:

      The student can never be better than the teacher. M.J. led his team to six championships. M.J. was great when he first entered the league, Kobe was coming off the bench behind Eddie Jones. Kobe stole all of M.J moves, he has his coach and playing in his system ( the triangle) . It wouldn’t be a Kobe if it wasn’t for M.J. It’s O.K. to hold somebody PENNIS but it’s bad when tou suck it. Kobe can get off of Mike sack. Watch out for Brandon Jennings. When he reach his full potential, people might not remember who Kobe was…

      • Kilo says:

        What…? Ok, i’m going to try to reply to this comment even though your grammar is atrocious. Kobe has always given credit to Jordan as well as Magic and Larry Bird and other NBA greats for helping him on how he plays. And Kobe “stole” Jordan’s moves? TONS of players in the NBA right now are mimicking Jordan’s move, you know why? Because they work. I’m sure Jordan took some of his moves from other players before him as well. Kobe came off the bench because he was fresh out of High School and didn’t have as much experience as Eddie. A team isn’t one person, and Kobe knows that now. And what the heck is “it’s ok to hold somebody’s pennis but it’s bad when you suck it”? That makes no gd sense

      • Conn says:

        To bring up Brandon Jenning’s Name in the cnoversation between MJ and Kobe is like bringing up your name in the conversation betweeen Barack Obama and Clinton

      • ... says:

        Your indiscreet mind is uncomprehensible…

      • Ebonics says:

        Your ebonics make you sound even more ignorant than the statments alone. “When he reach his full potential?” Nice. Look, Jennings is a nice player….but really? Comparing him to Kobe? Not only is he a different type of player, he will just never stack up when all is said and done. Kobe entered a playoff team at the age of 18, Michael entered one of the worst teams in the league at the age of 20 (or 21). That’s why Kobe didn’t start right away like Mike, the situations were different dude. One last problem with your comment, you’re implying that Kobe is only as good as he is partially because he stole Jordan’s moves. Jordan’s moves are there for all the world to see, so if Kobe really is stealing his moves, so can everyone else. And Kobe is still that much better than everyone else. You still have to be great to pull those moves off and make them work. The moves don’t make the man, the man makes the moves.

      • Marc Gonzalez says:

        BRANDON JENNINGS DOESNT NEED TO BE ANYWHERE ON THIS PAGE. HOW YOU GONNA BRING UP JENNINGS BEFORE YOU BRING UP LEBRON OR D WADE OR EVEN DURANT??? KOBE IS OVERRATED DEFENSIVELY SO DAMN MUCH. HE HAS TWO 7 FOOTERS BEHIND HIM. AND SINCE WHEN HAS HE BEEN 1 OF THE TOUGHEST PLAYERS? HES ALWAYS SAYING HE 60% OR HES 40% OR SOME PERCENTAGE. JUST GO OUT THERE AND PLAY YOUR GAME LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. IF HE WAS 1 OF THE TOUGHEST HED BE AVERAGING AT LEAST 6 REBOUNDS A GAME. HES TOO SOFT TO GO BANG IN THE PAINT. KOBE HASNT REALLY EVER WON ANYTHING UNLESS HES HAD MULTIPLE VERY GOOD PLAYERS AROUND HIM. JORDAN WON WITH LUC LONGLY, BILL WEDDINGTON, STEVE KERR, JUD BUECHLER, RANDY BROWN, A VERY VERY OLD ROBERT PARISH, AND AN AGED JOHN SALLEY, B.J ARMSTRONG, BILL CARTWRINGHT, STACEY KING, CLIFF LEVINGSTON, CRAIG HODGES, SCOTT WILLIAMS, WILL PERDUE. UNLESS YOUR A BASKETBALL FAN, YOU DONT KNOW MANY OF THOSE NAMES. KOBE PLAYED WITH THE MOST DOMINENT PLAYER EVER. IF NOT FOR SHAQ, YOU CAN ERASE THE 1ST 3 RINGS. JORDAN PLAYED WITH PIPPEN WHOS GREAT BUT NOWHERE NEAR AS DOMINENT AS SHAQ IN HIS PRIME. KOBES IN THE TOP 5 SCORERS AND CLUTCH SHOOTERS OF ALL TIME.

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Great players make everybody around them better. If a player has to play with the hall of fame to win, thats not a great player. Did you see Brandons supporting cast. That Bucks team was predicted to win 26 games. He raised the level of play of all the players around him. Brandon says Iverson is his idol but when you watch B.J. play you see B.J. not Iverson. Watching Kobe is like watching a Jordan tape. It took Kobe seven years to learn how to win. Everybody that know how to play don’t know how to win. (Lebron James) Brandon is a winner. Brandon play the same style of basketball as Steve Nash (International) but has the offense and defense of Allen Iverson. I’m predicting the Bucks to beat the Lakers in the finals if healthy going into and during the playoffs 4 – 2… I’m from Chicago. I know greatness when I see it. Whwn his carrer is over he will be the greatest of all time.

      • Tuesday says:

        what’s up with the gay analogy. it’s never okay to hold any man’s penis. for you to think that you have some personal sexuality issue to deal with. just simply appreciate their accomplishments. which are very different. Kobe has accomplish things scoring that Mike did not, Jordan has definitely accomplish things Bryant did not. the game evolve their will be some kid in the future will out do them both. just the same as ol timer thought anyone would out do Oscar Robertson. but, someone has! Media need to stop fueling this stupid comparison!

      • Mudy says:

        KOBE is A NINJA ASSASIN! and Kobe Bryant has surpassed his Teacher Jordan and Their Principal Coach Phil Jackson even Said it. KOBE is more SKILLED Player than Jordan!!! and a better closer. If you don’t pleave me Youtube it. He know Both of them Better than all of us!!! KOBE PERHAPS Greatest player ever witnessed!!!!

      • T-Time says:

        You just lost all credibility with that Brandon Jennings statement.

      • Felipe says:

        Amen 2 that

      • rico says:

        Are you saying kobe suggested that they steel the triangle offense or something?

        Thats a phil jackson invention who coached jordan and now happens to coach Kobe.

      • IversonFanDugdug says:

        hahahah!!you are right man, that didnt make any sense at all. Jordan is great in his time but if he couldve been at his prime this decade he wont be able to cope up with kobe iverson carter mcgrady lebron wade anthony and the rest of the all stars today. Jordan would still be a star and will add value to his team but not the same as kobr

      • Balla says:

        I hate people like you cuzn deer…. no one steals anything from anyone! You can argue that MJ stole all his moves from jerry west and bird… like what the heck. All players copy eachother because they dribble. Are you really that close minded? Shaq is bad because he steals moves from George Mikan. Like come on man, you don’t like Kobe because he “steals” moves. Get a real reason or give him the respect he deserves.

      • Champkobe says:

        and i dont think memphis was predicted to be even close to 40 wins last season, but does that make randolph and gay all time caliber players?

      • For real who ever the truth is is right, somebody need 2 sign Iverson, thats why its gone be a lock out this next year, people do not wont 2 c them bum players that everybody trying 2 start on there team,The NBA need 2 be a shame of there self for treating a verteran player thats contribute so much 2 the NBA like they do. The NBA is not what they use be!! The Fans Want Allen Iverson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • McKinley says:

      Kobe has every shot Jordan had plus all the ones he has invented himself. I think had those young Laker team been able to get past the Utah Jazz. They would have beat Jordan’s Bulls in the finals. Jordan had the will to win. But if you remember Jordan’s last trip to Staples Center Kobe dropped 42 in the first half of the game. Which leads me to Kobe’s 81 point game. Jordan never scored that many. Or Kobe’s 12 made 3pointers in a single game. NBA record. Jordan started out more dominant. As it sits now Kobe has 5 titles. To Jordans 6. Granted Jordan took off two years to play baseball. So its possible that he might have had 8. But Kobe is not done winning yet. So what if Kobe wins 10? He would have to go down as the best ever.

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Kobe is playing in the no hand check era. Imagine what Jordan would average if he played in this era. 81 points against the Raptors. WOW.. Kobe take the toughest shots. Being handchecked he wouldn’t get half the shot attempts he gets. Jordan made Pippen. What player now or then ever molded a player into being as good as Pippen. Wade won a ring with Shaq and haven’t done anything since. Wade and Lebron is overrated. The play street ball.

      • JOHN says:

        The best Guards ever are MJ and Magic Johnson. The best Point-guard ever is John Stockton. That’s it, end of story!!

      • ALFONSO CORRAL says:

        only reason kobe dropped 81 is because they didnt pull him out the game and the amount of shots he put up he shot at least 55 times

      • toyotaable says:

        mj 4 straight FLG in kobe face and won mvp in kobe face 98 all star > kobe 42 1half vs. mj.
        mj 3041 points a season only 2 people can do it and 69pt,18rb double double> 81pt.
        mj 25+ points 40 straight game in the model day only player can do it> kobe 12 three points.
        mj 10 score tittle> kb 2 score tittle
        mj 6 ring 6 leadership, kobe 5 ring , 2 leadership, the question can he get 4 more ring at a leadership. kobe he is 32 now…..
        kobe lost final 2 time, miss playoff. mj none…

      • aaronking says:

        kobe has won five in 14 years and jordan won 6 in 15 years everyone compares their stats but at the same stage of kobes career jordan was way further ahead in stats and one more title so MJ is still better

      • jason gribs says:

        are you fo real

      • jomansd says:

        i agree with toyotaable..mj never lost a finals series. simply because his will to win is greater than everybody else’s. that will to win, plus his ultra-electro-magnetic skills made sure that he’s always the champ! if he had’nt retired for 2 years, he surely would have gotten 8 rings..which will make it a hell of a lot harder for kobe to chase..

    • REAL says:

      First of all scottie pippen was the second best player in the nba next to jordan. when jordan retired the first time in like 94 or w/e scottie pippen and the bulls won 53 games????????? thats crazy without jordan. thats more than okc and portland last year…thats the same amount of wins ans utah jazz last year with deron williams and boozer who beat melo and billups last year. so noone can say jordan did it by himself and add the 1990s players u can not compare those guys to guys today manu ginbli and tayshaun prince would be 3 best player in the 1990s bro. and 90s had no zone defense. and jordan could not beat magic and bird in their brime. jordan played since 84 had be beat magic only once. like 2 years before magic retired??????? so basically jordan was dominating the nba with no one to challenge him pippen was on his team. pippen was the best peremeter defender in the nba. just go ask jeff van gundy lol. seriously and jordan is good dont get me wrong in that time but 2010 is defferent all iveson cant even get in to the nba??????? and mcgrady almost didnt either? nba is tough now ur not just competing with player in america but around the world. people just dont want to put the legend down so they back jordan up butu got to speak the truth if kobes better hes better thats it…some people are immature lol. oh yeah and jordan had rodman in the second three peat just in case u didnt know rodman led the nba in like rebounds 7 times in a rown maybe 6. thats more than dwight howard lol. crazy. so jordan did have talent and for people getin mad at lebron for going to wades team lol jordan almost did the same thing???? he said once that after he retired that if pippen left he wouldnt come back to the bulls. he wanted pippen on his team. and kobe wanted to leave as well the main thing is kobes not top 10 more like number 2 and lebrons number 1 in the league.

      • Mario Navarro says:

        OK THIS IS A RESPONSE TO “”””REAL””””…”””””so basically jordan was dominating the nba with no one to challenge him pippen was on his team. pippen was the best peremeter defender in the nba.””””””<<<<< IS THIS GUY FOR REAL WRITING THIS CRAP???? I THINK YOU NEED TO STICK TO HOCKEY OR BASEBALL BUSY BECAUSE YOU DONT NOW WHAT THE HECK YOU TALKING ABOUT!! Basketball has not been RE-REvolutionaized since Jordan. Remember that Jordan came back to paly a few years ago for the Wizards and he dominated..as old as he was.. And yes I agree that technological advances prepare athletes and get them in better shape faster. Remember that there are by far less performance enhancing drugs in the 90's then now. But you know what…the Original Dream Team with Jordan, Magic, Robinson, and company woould put an ass whoopin on any of the post Dream Teams…If you place Jordan in his prime in todays game..he would dominate just as good and win Championships. Jordan in the 90's was like traveling to the future (2010) and bringing him back to th early 90's to dominate….please watch highlights..compare his speed…his quickness…jumping ability…defense….mental toughness..coaching ability…game winning shots…strength…consistency..scoring titles,,,,defensive titles..olympic medals…..mvp's….finals mvp….i mean come on dude…JORDAN HAS A DOCTRATE IN BASKETBALL.. DR. M. JORDAN, MD……GET IT RIGHT …kobe is number 2 and Lebron is far..still not top 10 players ever..another 5 years with a couple championships and he might get top 25…holla at yo boy M.

    • THE TRUTH says:

      DENNIS SCOTT BETTER THAN EVERYONE.

    • READ THIS says:

      HEY!!!!!!!!!!! WHY CANT ANYONE SIGN ALLEN IVERSON?????????? FIRST OF ALL DJ AUGUSTIN AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON SO WHY AINT BOBCATS SIGNING IVERSON. IVERSON COULD STILL SCORE 20PPG BUT TEAMS HAVE GIVEN HIM A SMALL ROLE ON THEIR TEAMS SO THEY CAN DEVELOP THEIR YOUNGER PLAYERS. LUKE RDIOUNR AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON SO WHY NOT THE WOLVES SIGHN HIM????? AND THE KNICKS???????? IVERSON AT THE 2. FELTON AT THE ONE. JUST LIKE CURRY AND MONTA IN GOLDEN STATE OR LIKE SNOW AND IVERSON IN PHILLY…..??????? SERIOUSLY IVERSON IS CHEAP RIGHT NOW U GOT TO PAY HIM LIKE 1.5. MILL OR LESS????? HES NOT GONNA MESS UP ANY CHEMISRTY CAUSE THE BAD TEAM DONT HAVE CHEMISTRY LOL. AND AZUBKE IS OUT FOR LIKE A MONTH ON THE KNICKS. AND RODGER MASON AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON. WHY SHOULD IVERSON COME OFF THE BENCH WHEN HES BETTER THAN OTHER STARTES SUCH AS ROGER MASON OR LUKE RODOUNR OR ANTHONY MORROW. SERIOUSLY HE CAN TEACH AUGUSTIN OR SOMEONE OTHER YOUGSTER ABOUT THE GAME AND HE CAN STILL BRING IN TICKET SALES AND IF HE LEAVES THE TEAM MAKE SURE U PUT SOMETHING IN HIS CONTRACT THAT SAYS IF HE LEAVES HE GETS HALF OR MORE THAN HALF HIS SALARY TOOKEN AWAY A A BIG PENALTY????? SERIOUSLY. SOMEONE SIGHN IVERSON AND IAM NOT EVEN AN IVERSON FAN. IT IS RIDICULOUS.

    • David says:

      HEY!!!!!!!!!!! WHY CANT ANYONE SIGN ALLEN IVERSON?????????? FIRST OF ALL DJ AUGUSTIN AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON SO WHY AINT BOBCATS SIGNING IVERSON. IVERSON COULD STILL SCORE 20PPG BUT TEAMS HAVE GIVEN HIM A SMALL ROLE ON THEIR TEAMS SO THEY CAN DEVELOP THEIR YOUNGER PLAYERS. LUKE RDIOUNR AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON SO WHY NOT THE WOLVES SIGHN HIM????? AND THE KNICKS???????? IVERSON AT THE 2. FELTON AT THE ONE. JUST LIKE CURRY AND MONTA IN GOLDEN STATE OR LIKE SNOW AND IVERSON IN PHILLY…..??????? SERIOUSLY IVERSON IS CHEAP RIGHT NOW U GOT TO PAY HIM LIKE 1.5. MILL OR LESS????? HES NOT GONNA MESS UP ANY CHEMISRTY CAUSE THE BAD TEAM DONT HAVE CHEMISTRY LOL. AND AZUBKE IS OUT FOR LIKE A MONTH ON THE KNICKS. AND RODGER MASON AINT BETTER THAN IVERSON. WHY SHOULD IVERSON COME OFF THE BENCH WHEN HES BETTER THAN OTHER STARTES SUCH AS ROGER MASON OR LUKE RODOUNR OR ANTHONY MORROW. SERIOUSLY HE CAN TEACH AUGUSTIN OR SOMEONE OTHER YOUGSTER ABOUT THE GAME AND HE CAN STILL BRING IN TICKET SALES AND IF HE LEAVES THE TEAM MAKE SURE U PUT SOMETHING IN HIS CONTRACT THAT SAYS IF HE LEAVES HE GETS HALF OR MORE THAN HALF HIS SALARY TOOKEN AWAY A A BIG PENALTY????? SERIOUSLY. SOMEONE SIGHN IVERSON AND IAM NOT EVEN AN IVERSON FAN. IT IS RIDICULOUS.

    • Red Army says:

      Whats funny is this debate still gets back to is MJ > KB? and is always laughable. There are number of you who are all about the career high and simply scoring. Do you know how absolutely insane it is to think just because KB scored 81 and MJ’s high is 69 that he is better than MJ? LOL As if this is the be all end all of the discussion. Guess what? MJ’s line on the 69 game was 69 18 6 and 4 steals. KBs line was 81 6 2 3 steals. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? You tell me WHO was really BALLIN? MJ!! Get your head straight. Scoring only 12 less points while grabbing ***12*** more rebounds and dishing 4 more assists and 1 more steal? PLEASE. The TOTAL points he ACTUALLY got for his TEAM was still MORE than KB’s. The 12 more rebounds and 4 more dimes scores more than KB’s line. MOST people are going to want to see MJ’s RIDICULOUS 18 rebounds and 6 assists to go along with it instead of only 6 more buckets made by KB. Sorry, you lose. AGAIN.

      There are sooo many Kobe fans that need to brush up on MJ’s career achievements LOL. I will take just some of the main 1s to give concrete evidence as to why Kobe is no where NEAR MJ’s level. What is funny is that Kobe fans JUST look at the NUMBER of championships LOL. They think for some crazy reason that if Kobe ONLY simply matches his 6 rings that automatically makes him MJ’s equal or better LOL. Please. What else has Kobe done DURING his career, WHILE he has been winning 5 rings and possibly 1 or 2 more (although I doubt it)???

      HMMMMMM..do you KB fans even know? NOPE. Because you are young fans of the game who have no memories of MJ, or memories are of him in Washington, and you dismiss him. You think because KB is the “here and now” that MJ didnt really exist as the GOAT. You think for some reason that over half of PROFESSIONAL analysts, writers, announcers, and players that think MJ is the GOAT have gotten it completely wrong. You think they just come up with this theory with baseless facts and have no knowledge of the game. Hey, guess what, they STUDY the game for a living. Theres a reason for that. Well, lets take a quick look at their careers by some TOP TIER achievements.

      MVP’s
      MJ = 5
      KB = 1 LOL

      ——————————————–

      Finals MVP’s
      MJ = 6
      KB = 2

      ———————————————

      Finals Record
      MJ = 6-0
      KB = 5-2

      ———————————————

      Scoring Titles
      MJ = 10 (including record tying ***7*** in a row, YES 7, WOW)
      KB = 2 LOL

      ———————————————

      Defensive Player of the Year Award
      MJ = 1
      KB = 0

      ——————————————–
      Steals Titles
      MJ = 3
      KB = 0

      These don’t even begin to scratch the surface on the various number of records MJ holds. Merely a simple look at the BEST MOST RECOGNIZED achievements.

      Even withOUT stats, MJ is safe. I mean, how is it any NORMAL person, even ones with NO basketball knowledge and looking at this comparison for the first time, wouldn’t look at those and say “hmm, yep that MJ guy definitely looks to be a MUCH better player than that KB”. LOL

      For those that say stats don’t lie. Really?? Guys, we all know that couldn’t be farther from the truth. Sure, stats aren’t everything and dont account for certain circumstances in rare cases, and I’m a big believer on career achievements and acoomplishments, but why can’t you be real about it and say at the least that “stats tell ALOT”???. Because they do. Without question.

      If you just look at their stats, you can easily see that MJ has KB beat in all major statistical categories. Offense and Defense both. His numbers are simply BETTER, and in some cases WAY better. Sorry, you lose these number debates also. AGAIN.

      MJ KB
      30.1 PPG 25.3
      6.2 RPG 5.3
      5.3 APG 4.7
      2.4 SPG 1.5
      .9 BPG .6
      .50 FG% .46
      .327 3PT% .340
      2.73 TO’s 2.92

      You can see the absolute domination by MJ across the board, except for the 3PT, which is a very slight edge for KB. So out of 100 3 point shots, KB will make 34 and Mj will make 33 LOL. Forgive me for not being wowed like some KB fans are that say OH NO KB is SO much better at 3′s and really hype it up. PLEASE LOL. MJ makes 4 more 2 pointers out of 100 than KB. If you want to get technical, that 3 PT would give KB 3 points, while MJ makes 8 points with his 4 more 2 pointers. The point is, these show that MJ performed better statistically in every game all the while COMMITTING LESS MISTAKES/TURNOVERS than KB.

      Finally, there are other telling signs that along with my other points easily put the debate to rest. MJ OTHER than the Wizards years and possibly the first year or 2 or his career was ALWAYS considered by the MAJORITY to be the overall best basketball player in the league. There was NO question by MOST people. KB has MAYBE had that MAJORITY for arguably at the MOST 4 or 5 years of his career as the best overall player. With the rise of Lebron and D Wade over the past 5 seasons this has been in question. Even in KB’s last 2 title years, there has been the DEBATE and QUESTION if Lebron and Wade are not the better overall player. MJ’s status has NEVER been questioned to the DEGREE that KB’s has. EVER. E V E R

      How can KB, if in constant rabid DEBATE and QUESTION regarding his status as the best player EVEN IN HIS OWN ERA, and STILL indeed tagged to BE IN HIS PRIME by competent professionals of the sport, be EVEN CONSIDEREDto take MJ’s CROWN as the GOAT??!! MJ DOMINATED his era in every possible way, while KB MOST decidedly, has not. Sorry KB fans, you lose. AGAIN.

      I’ll give you a consolation prize though. I’ll set you up with a little checklist you can follow though that will allow you to see what KB’s gonna need at a MINIMUM to be TRULY and HONESTLY even worthy to be discussed in the same sentence as MJ. Check it out.

      2-3 MORE TITLES as the MAIN MAN

      4 more MVP’s

      At least 5 more scoring titles (and he’ll still have 3 less than MJ)

      1 Defensive Player of the Year

      3 Steals Titles

      Kobes 32 on the downside of his prime. Do you REALLY think he can achieve these things? Can you hear the RESOUNDING NO by everyone?

      Oh by the way half the people have voted that MJ COULD INDEED score 100. I being 1 of them. Anybody who has watched MJ’s whole career would know that he could if he actually tried. Are you kidding me? LOL

      So sorry KB fans, you just got OWNED

      • Mac says:

        Red Army’s comment should be in a magazine bro. Slam, SI, Hoops, somewhere. You did your homework man. Hands down. I’m on the same side as you man. Kobe’s good, but this debate is ridiculous. Nice job.

      • mike says:

        dude its not all about stats…but if you want to go there then heres a big one for you you
        Bill Russel-11
        MJ=6
        Just by looking at that…whose more dominent? Its pretty obvious even for you. And i’m not even a celtics fan

        But for Kobe’s argument…yeah he started off the bench..but thats only because he started right out of high school…For MJ,its pretty easy to be the best player on a mediocre team, right?? It was difficult for Kobe because he was picked up by a talented team, along with a superstar player in O’Neal..So give kobe bryant some credit for winning two without Shaq…As i can recall MJ didnt win a single one without Pippen. Yeah jordan was dominent, but that was because he didn’t have no competition. The game is alot faster and more competitive now a days. I guarentee that if MJ played in this era, he wouldn’t have been as dominent as he was in the 90’s. Even great players need teammates

      • smuck face says:

        ALL THAT SAID AND YOU FAILED TO MENTION HOW MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE THE NBA IS NOW, ALL THE WAY FROM RULES TO PLAYERS. PEOPLE LIKE TO CREDIT SHAQ FOR KB THREE RINGS, BUT SINCE THE TRADE KB HAS WON MORE THAN SHAQ. YOU LISTED CHICAGO’S ROSTER BUT WHAT ABOUT OTHER TEAMS ROSTERS? THE LEAGUE WAS ONE ALL-STAR A TEAM BACK THEN, AND THE BULLS HAD AT LEAST TWO(PIPPEN-JORDAN) SOME WOULD GO AS FAS AS TO SAY THREE INCLUDING RODMAN. WHEN IT COMES TO STATS, HIS CAREER PPG WOULD BE WAY HIGHER IF HE STARTED HIS FIRST YEAR.JORDAN WAS DRAFTED TO A WEAK BULLS TEAM WHILE KOBE WAS DRAFTED TO A TEAM WITH A HOST OF EXPERIENCED GUARDS.

      • UcantBSeriousKBfan says:

        TY for this post. People just do not get it. And for the people who say KB is playing in a league with better players, PLEASE!!! Don’t hurt yourselves. The NBA today is watered down with a bunch of kids that do not know the game and can’t shoot. They are more concern with their stats than winning. When MJ played, the p[layers knew the game and they had great shooters. Between 84 and 85, you had some of the best players the NBA has seen enter the league. The 84 draft is hands down the best ever. In MJ’s time, they had real big men, shooters and athletes as well.

        For those arguing Pippen was the reason for MJ’s titles, look at it much closer cause you are dead wrong. When he left the first time, Pippen was not even the man on their team. Hence his refusal to enter a game in the last seconds because he was not getting the shot. That team won 50+ because of their time with MJ and he made them better players. Add to that that Pippen was garbage as soon as he and MJ were no longer teammates.

        Bird, Isiaih, Magic, Malone, Stockton, Moses Malone, Dr. J, Wilkens, Clyde, Olajawon, David Robinson, Parrish, McHale and so on are the players MJ played against. You may know some of them. LMAO!!! In this NBA, you would be hard pressed to name 7 Truely great players. People saying Manu would be the second best player then is on crack, crazy or both. And keep in mind KB will have played longer if he plays a few more years. Numbers do not tell it all but they tell a lot of it. Even with the extra years KB will not approach what MJ did. Is he a great player? Yes! Is he comparable to Jordan? Absolutely not!!And jordan did it without the convience of having all the bigs like KB has had in each of his ‘ships. yall need to get a clue. I have seen both eras and it comes down to the tangibles – stats and the intangibles – MJ in a tougher era, making players around him better, and doing it on both ends of the court.

      • KINGKOBE says:

        @REDARMY Dude lets keep in mind that after the BS KOBE went through in COLORADO, thats what kept him from getting meaningless titles. You had a lot of, i will just say people, who did not like KOBE even though he is the best player that has ever played the game next to JORDAN. Haters can try and take that from KOBE all they want. But facts speak for themselves.

      • Coronil says:

        Lol. You mad bro?

      • Dean says:

        I NEVER thought KOBE was better than MJ…but he is right behind him. But that point is moot, becuase MJ has to face the realization that he finishes third on the list behind Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. After MJ and KOBE at 3 and 4, then comes Wilt. So neither is the BEST of all-time, but they are neck-and-neck…edge MJ!

      • Champkobe says:

        @ucantbeseriouskbfan 84 draft isnt the best. Look at the talent involved in the 96 draft (including kobe and AI)

      • 80s90sBBall says:

        This is a good post, nice job Red Arny. From a spectator’s point of view, it is easy to discern that those who truly believe that Kobe is better than MJ are just FAR TOO YOUNG to understand. SMUCK FACE, how old are you? The NBA is much more competitive now? REALLY? HA HA. I’d like to see Kobe go up against the Bad Boys, Ewing’s Knicks and all those tough teams who put a hurting on anyone who tried to score on them. Don’t you know that it was a Man’s game before? Now you get tapped a little bit and it is a foul. I could go on and on but young people just think they know it all.

        For the Jordan needing Pippen to win argument, of course, you can’t do it alone on a team sport, can you? Everyone else were role players.. he never needed anyone with the impact one like Shaq has on a game and an opposing team. Now you say that Kobe is winning without Shaq? But now he is winning with 3 7-footers to have his back plus Ron Artest. One of those 7-footers is Pau Gasol by the way.

        Sorry Kobe Fans, if you still truly believe he is better than MJ, you are ignorant and you don’t know basketball, and are probably too young. Even Kobe in an interview admitted that MJ was the best there ever was, Lebron said that too, and they are players in the convo,.. so fans wake up and smell the Airness, cuz y’all got OWNED.

      • UcantBSeriousKBfan says:

        @champkobe, the 96 draft was very good and still pales in comparison to the 84 draft. The 84 draft has produced 4 hall of famers. In that draft you had MJ, Stockton, Barkley, and Olajuwon. That alone is much more than the 96 draft by itself. However, then you have to include Tony Cambell (Laker’s 88 Championship), Kevin willis, Otis Thorpe, Sam Perkins, Alvin Robertson and Michael cage. Everyone of them has been an all star. I could go deeper but this is sufficient. Their stats, number of championships, and All star appearences are all much greater than the 96 class.

        Let’s be honest and objectives. To date, the only players in the 96 draft that have done anything is Iverson, Ray Allen, Kobe, Nash and Derek Fisher (he is only here because of his championships as he rode kobe and shaq’s coattail’s). Just because you are probably to young to have seen the 84 players does not make it any less potent. I would let you pick any 12 guys from that draft and just take 8 from the 84 draft and the 84 draft would win 10 out of 10 times….

      • Joe says:

        wow lol look bro im no kobw fan in fact i hate him but you have to admit kobe is definately top 10 maybe not 2 but hes in top 5, kobe is an amazing plaayer if you are going against that then you dont know anything baout basketball because kobe is outstanding ive always been a wade fan and always will be i think wade is better than kobw but kobe is still great

      • pakdap says:

        Do you guys even consider the level of competition for MJ and KB? I can say that Wade and LeBron would be in top 10, even top 5 all time when they hang up. And they’re in KB era. When MJ played, who would match him up, Pipen was on his side who at that time was the best perimeter defender. If Jordan played LeBron, Bron would eat him alive. Level of competition, KB hands down. Take the best five of MJ’s era against the five best of KOBE. MAGIC, MJ, PIPEN, MALONE, HAKEEM (cant think any better, you try) against WADE, KOBE, BRON, DUNCAN, HOWARD (and there’s more, KG, SHAQ, DURANT, MANU, PAUL). I even think the 2nd team would play fair against them.

      • Mac says:

        @PAKDAK I’ll give you some more names. Robert Parish, Charles Barkley, David Robinson, Clyde Drexler, Dominic Wilkins, Alonzo Morning, Shaquille O’neal (yes he played against him too), Gary Payton, John Stokcton, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Larry Johnson, Petrovic, Reggie Miller, Chris Mullin, Detlef Schremphf, Isiah Thomas, Dikembe Mutombo (D shot Blocker), Kevin Johnson, Grant Hill (who’s still competing at a high level despite injuries and his age).
        Lebron would eat whom alive?? Have you notice that Lebron’s best defence is trying to block players from behind, meaning he can’t stay in front of them. Jordan was a lockdown defender like Lebron has never seen. Lebron’s only chance would be to run him over. An advise to all youngsters. You can only discuss if you’ve seen them all play.
        You don’t have sufficient knowledge to make comparisons. Again I tell you, this era you guys talk about is only 7 years after Jordan retired at the age of 40 and he still would lit up teams for 40 points. That should tell you enough.

      • boom says:

        R u dum smuckface? more competetive?? Today, it’s illegal to hand check, back in the day, you would be having hands touch almost every part of your body whenever yoou try to score.

      • Airness says:

        A Very Big Yup! Nice homework Red Army. It seems Kobe die-hards are drop-outs in schools!

        Here’s a FACT. MJ took the NBA regular season MVP and the Best Defensive Player for the same year 1988, not mentioning the All Star MVP. Which means he’s the BEST OFFENSIVE and DEFFENSIVE player for that year. And it’s hard to imagine to have that 2 awards just for one season. I believe no one could do it again not in our lifetime. And could Kobe copy it? Nah!. There were nay-sayers during that time but he proved them wrong because he was the GREATEST and he knew he can do it.

    • michael m says:

      REAL…your right, jordan didnt even win his first championship till scottie pippen joined the bulls, plus scott kerr and everyone else,the were like an 2003-2004 detriot pistons squad,all all-stars. But kobe is the man,best ever. after Shaq left the lakers,no one thought Kobe could win a champioship without him, but this year Kobe is goin for his second three-peat,and Phil Jackson fourth….plus if you look back, when Kobe Bryant first joined the league, he was a way better shooter than jordan in his whole career even

      • ALFONSO CORRAL says:

        its steve kerr and this shows excatly how much you know about b-ball kobes teams are way better than jordans jordan only scottie grant rodman and a bunch a role player while kobe gets ac green shaq rick fox ron harper robert horry derek fisher pau gasol ron artest and shannon brown

      • Cuzn Deer says:

        Scottie Pippen was a nobody when he joined the Bulls. Unlike Shaq and Pau. Jordan taught Pippen how to play.

      • UcantBSeriousKBfan says:

        If Kobe was a better shooter coming into the league and a better player, why did he sit for so long? Eddie jones is why! Kobe fell into a good situation and it continues until this day. Your argument is just ignorant and shows you lack the knowledge to debate this subject. Kobe had Shaq first and now Gasol. Jordan did not have a big man to speak of. He also played in an era with better players and “no blood, no foul” rules…Look at the stats, regular season and playoffs. Grab a great basketball book and learn the game.

      • UcantBSeriousKBfan says:

        oh yeah, kobe did not win a championship until he had shaq. And he could not win another until they basically bought him one with gasol and odom and Artest and ariza and …….ahhh I think you get the point.

    • Rondofan25 says:

      jordan is so wise he couldnt say kobe was better if he wasnt

    • THE YEAR BEFORE GASOL GOT THERE KOBE AND HIS TEAM DIDN,T EVEN MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, BOTTOM LINE, SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE FORGOT ABOUT THAT SEASON, SO DONT EVER COMEPARE KOBE WITH THE GREATEST HES NOT EVEN BETTER THAN OLAUJAWAN HOW EVER U SPELL HIS NAME, OR MAGIC AND SO ON AND SO ON. SO HE NEEDS TO BE THANKFUL THAT JORDAN PUT HIM IN THE TOP TEN GAURDS, CAUSE HE IS NOT IN THE TOP TEN ALL TIME.

    • michael m says:

      YO “R4″…Jordan was a leader of his champioship runs,but i do believe Jordan hasnt won a champioship without Scottie Pippen if the facts are true,which they are, and your here saying Kobe cant win a ring without Gasol…okay Jordan cant win one without Pippen, so shut the F%$k up…and everyone said Kobe cant win a ring without Shaq….well im pretty sure he just got back to back,and goin for thirds broski…plus Kobe had one thing in his whole career Jordan never had, and its called “shooter touch”, kobe has one of the best jumpers of all time, he single handly brought back the mid range jump shot…plus for my last statement why Kobe is the best Gaurd of All-Time,and no one can disagree with this, the level of athelticism in the NBA today is way better than it was in the “Jordan Era”….NBA players today, even Glen “Big Baby” Davis, is more athletic than half the league back in the 90’s

      • UcantBSeriousKBfan says:

        Shooter’s touch….LMAO Yes he can shoot, hold on let me give you a slow clap. Funny how Kobe basically carbon copied everything Mike did on and off the court. Kobe is a clone and a clone will never be as good as the original.

        As to the stupid comment on the mid-range, Congradulations Kobe for bringing back what every one in MJ’s era already knew. This is what I am talking about. How the heck are you giving Kobe credit for the mid-range when it was a key part of the game back in MJ’s time? it never went away. This generation just does not know the game very well. Everything is to the rim or launch a long three that they shoot at about a 35% rate.

        And finally, you are ignorant if you think the athletes are far superior now. You ever heard of David Thompson? Dominique Wilkens? Thompson could take a roll of quarters off the top of a backboard. I have personally seen ‘nique get his chest over the rim during a game. Ummm these were guards. Hell Howard is 6’11 and hung himself on a 12’ rim in the dunk contest on his first attempt. Big Baby, really? How bout barkley, Moses Malone, and do not forget Darryl Dawkins (the original backboard smasher). Go back, get some facts and then speak. Remember, people will not know how dumb you are until you open your mouth.

    • Coyote says:

      Here’s the top 10 PER at the 2guard
      Years PPG RPG APG PER From these numbers you can see that placing Kobe in the top ten
      Jordan 15 30.1 6.2 5.3 27.9 of all guards, that’s point guards and shooting guards, isn’t insulting.
      Bryant 12 24.9 5.3 4.6 23.6 To ignore Magic Johnson or John Stockton’s all time leading #s
      West 14 27.0 5.8 6.7 22.9 in both assists and steals would be ignorant. Ignoring West and
      Gervin 14 25.1 5.3 2.6 21.4 Gervin also not cool. Iverson? Well? But Oscar Robertson, Isiah
      Iverson 12 27.8 3.8 6.3 21.5 Thomas, and Bob Cousy are studs. Steve Nash has even turned
      Drexler 15 20.4 6.1 5.6 21.1 some heads with his 2 MVPs. So not insulting a bunch of hall of
      Miller 18 18.2 3.0 3.0 18.4 famers by insisting that it’s Michael and Kobe and then all the rest
      Maravich 10 24.2 4.2 5.4 18.4 come on. Oscar avg. a triple double for a season. Be fair.
      Monroe 13 18.8 3.0 3.9 17.2 Top 10 Point Guards
      Dumars 14 16.1 2.2 4.5 15.3 YEARS PPG RPG APG PER
      M. Johnson 13 19.5 7. 2 11. 2 24.1
      O. Robertson 14 25.7 7.5 9.5 23.2
      I. Thomas 13 19.2 3.6 9.3 18.1
      J. Stockton 19 13.1 2.7 10.5 21.8
      B. Cousy 14 18.4 5.2 7.5 19.8
      W. Frazier 13 18.9 5.9 6.1 19.1
      J. Kidd 13 14.5 6.7 9.2 18.9
      T. Archibald 13 18.8 2.3 7.4 18.0
      S. Nash 11 14.0 2.9 7.6 19.9
      G. Payton 17 16.3 3.9 6.7 18.9

    • dball says:

      yeah like if u where MJ you would say that kobe is on the top 5 list, MJ knows Kobe is in the top 5 but he just wont tell that, why? bcoz he is the most competitive player there is.. remember when he played the game it was his heart and his competitiveness that worked for him, when he lost to the magic in the playoffs he came back and they won 70, of course he won’t admit that kobe is in the top 5, its his pride. people are comparing even saying that he is better than him, that is his reaction to the guys who ask him that question.. try to ask Shaq how would he rate david robinson.

    • tribon says:

      heres what…almost all basketball skills (shooting, passing, stealing, rebounding, etc..) jordan is way above kobe (season and playoffs)..see stats..kobe is a 45% career shooter..when he played along with shaq, he was not the one that was doubled, it was shaq..still he shoots poorly..all throughout jordan’s career he was always doubled or even tripled team but still he has the highest points/game in the history of the nba..so that makes the difference..jordan is way better..but i have to say this..kobe is second but not close..

    • GPJ says:

      MJ strikes me as being ingracious when he relegates Kobe to the status of being (only) one of the ten greatest guards of all-time. MJ is the best, marginally, over Kobe… but there is no debate that Kobe is #2 and his career is still not yet over.

      I am 60 years old and have followed the NBA since 1959. You simply cannot compare players from different eras, so the exercise of comparing Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Hal Greer, Earl Monroe, Walt Frazier, Isaiah Thomas, Magic, MJ, and Kobe (and I am sure I have left out a few other worthy players simply because you can’t name them all) is a ridiculous exercise.

      It should be noted that everyone named above has won a ring. It should also be noted that the number of rings a player has is proportional to the quality of the team on which he played. Jordan never won a championship until there was Scottie Pippin. Pippen never won a championship after he parted ways with Jordan. Magic played with Kareem, Worthy, Nixon/Scott, Rambis/Green. Bird played with McHale, Parish, DJ, Ainge, and Walton coming off the bench. So who among Jordan, Magic and Bird was the greatest of that era?

      Kobe and Shaq won rings together and apart (but they always had each other, or Gasol or Wade as replacement parts when they separated). Perhaps, the second greatest player of his generation, and certainly one of the 15 greatest players of all time (if you were to fill out a full 15 man roster) is Hakeem Olajuwon. His championships, which Chicago fans love to denigrate (because Jordan was retired for part of the time) were won with less supporting talent than any other championship teams (other than perhaps Waltons ’77 Blazers and Barry’s ’75 Warriors).

      And (Chicage fans) please remember this: the Rockets played the Bulls six times in 92′, 93′ and 94′ with Jordan and won 5 out of 6 games. Olajuwon, at the time of his retirement, was the only player in history to finish in the top ten in four major statistical categories (total points; total rebounds; steals; and blocked shots). Can you imagine finishing 6th all-time in steals from the center position.

      And although it seems in vogue to place an asterisk beside Hakeem’s status as the #1 shot blocker of all-time (ahead of Wilt and Russell), does anyone care to venture how many blocked shot Olajuwon might have had if he palyed in that earlier era.

      In successive years he schooled Ewing, Robinson and Shaq on the way to two championships with inferior supporting casts (excluding the great Clyde Drexler who played on the 95′ championship team). So… here’s the deal… I’m 60 years old and believe it or not, I have a life. I just figured I’d jump into this fray because I’ve seen a lot of basketball. The 15 greatest players of all-time are: Chamberlain; Russell; Kareem; Hakeem; Shaq; Elgin; Robertson; West; Bird; Magic; Julius; MJ; Kobe; Karl Malone;and Tim Duncan.

      One last interesting thing… you can explain the evolution of Jordan. His lineage is derived from Elgin Baylor, Connie Hawkins, Earl Monroe (one of the games greatest innovators), and Julius Erving. You can’t quite put a finger on Olajuwon’s evolution… Mikan, Russell, Chamberlain, Thurmond, Kareem, Moses Malone and then Hakeem… where in the world did he come from?

      He didn’t resemble any of the great centers who preceded him. He reinvented the center position. Bottom line… you can’t compare players from different eras in any meaningful way; you can’t judge players by the number of rings without making allowances for the quality of their teamates; there is no objective measure by which you can compare MJ and Kobe… and by all means, please give Olajuwon his props. If Jordan was the best player on the planet after Magic and Bird retired, then Hakeem was number two… but because he played in a smaller media market he was never given his due.

    • guti0709 says:

      This topic is ridiculous! Look, Kobe Bryant might be the 2nd best guard of all time, however there is a huge gap between Michael Jordan and Kobe. I was fortunate to watch both of them play. I grew up watching Jordan my whole life and i’ve watch Kobe’s career as well. People tend too have such a short memory that they tend to forget how dominating was Jordan. Michael Jordan got defensive player of the year and won the scoring title in one NBA season.

      This video will make your decision a lot easier….. Trust me, watch it. It’s impressive!