Father Time Chasing The Celtics?

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Posted by Shaun Powell

BOSTON – You know, it’s not about age. Not really. Not individually, in the case of the Celtics. But collectively? Yes, right now, before our eyes, age is catching up with the Celtics like Usain Bolt chasing a snail.

Kevin Garnett showed he’s still capable of bringing it, as he did in Game 3. Ditto for Ray Allen, in Game 2. We haven’t heard much from Paul Pierce, but figure he’ll be in the mix for Game 4. OK, then. Individually, the Celtics’ thirty-somethings can rise every now and then.

But will they ever rise together again? In unison?

What Boston needs, and what Boston has been missing in this series, is the sight of the Old Threes giving a top-shelf effort and performance in the same game. The Lakers couldn’t compete with that. Imagine, for a second, in the same game, Allen hitting 6 or 7 threes, Pierce gunning for 25 points and KG grabbing 8 boards with 4 blocks and using elbow grease for 15 points. That’s the Celtic team that won in 2008, going three-for-three with those guys. Now, they’re lucky to get two out of three. More like one out of three, with Rajon Rondo chipping in.

I suspect that those old Celtics, circa 2008, went down with KG’s knee the following year. Kind of reminds me of the Blazers in 1978, the year after they won the title. They started 50-10 that season, everything humming along sweetly, until Bill Walton felt something snap in his foot. Uh, oh. Dynasty over.

It’s still not impossible, this series. Boston can pull it out, but too much is falling on Rondo’s shoulders. He’d have to play huge every game and get something from at least two of the old foggies. Otherwise, Kobe is getting one ring closer to MJ.

119 Comments

  1. BILL B. says:

    LAKER FANS….KEEPING UP WITH CURRENT MEDICAL STATUS OF BYNUM? INTERESTING THAT L.A. IS THE TEAM THEY TALK ABOUT HAVING THE EDGE IN “LENGTH” IN THE PAINT. THAT’S TRUE, HOWEVER IT APPEARS BOSTON HAS THE DEPTH IN BIG PLAYERS. THAT’S WHY BYNUM IS SO IMPORTANT.

    BOSTON HAS GARNETT/PERKINS/WALLACE & DAVIS ALL BIGS. L.A. HAS GASOL AND BYNUM TO PRESENT TO OFFSET BOSTON’S BIGS. AGAIN, THEY CAN TALK ABOUT ODOM’S VERSATILITY ALL THEY WANT…THAT HE CAN PLAY 4 SPOTS… YEAH, CAN GIVE HIM ANY ONE OF THOSE ASSIGNMENTS WHEN L.A. IS NOT PLAYING AN OPPONENT OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY. IF BYNUM GOES OUT ODOM COMES IN AND MUST DEFEND A BIG 4 OR 5 BOSTON PLAYER… L.A. LOSES THAT MATCH-UP.

    L.A.s LACK OF DEPTH WITH TRUE 4 OR 5 BACK-UPS IS EVIDENT.

    I WOULD THINK L.A. AND ODOM BOTH WOULD LIKE THE LUXURY OF HAVING ODOM AVAILABLE TO PLAY THE 3 NOT THE 4 IN THIS SERIES. ROTATE HE AND ARTEST ON ALLEN, MAKE ALLEN DEFEND ODOM, ISOLATE ALLEN ON ODOM WHEN HE’s IN, USE HIS SIZE TO PUNISH ALLEN. WOULD MAKE ODOM’S JOB EASIER SINCE HE’S ATHLETIC ENOUGH TO RUN WITH ALLEN AND HAS MORE LENGTH. THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT, ODOM IS A TRUE 3 SPOT PLAYER, WHO CAN RUN, VERY ATHLETIC, WHO DOES NOT POSSESS A DEPENDABLE OUTSIDE TOUCH…. CAN’T BLAME HIM FOR WHAT HE IS NOT.

    L.A. MAKES IT THROUGH THIS SERIES I THINK THEY GO AFTER A BIG BODY BENCH PLAYER IN THE OFF SEASON, WHO CAN HOLD HIS GROUND. SHOWS THEIR LACK OF DEPTH WHEN THEY MUST PLAY ODOM AT THE 4 SPOT AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER BIG, AND PUT ODOM IN ON ALLEN INSTEAD OF WALTON IN TO PLAY THE 3 WHEN ARTEST GOES OUT…BOSTON WINS THAT MATCH-UP ADJUSTMENT. I WOULD LIKE ODOM ON ALLEN WHEN ARTEST GOES OUT.

    TRUE, AS THEY SAY, L.A. HAS THE LENGTH IN THIS SERIES……BUT ONLY WHEN BYNUM IS IN THE GAME WITH GASOL.

    BOSTON CHECKING THE BYNUM UPDATE JUST AS CLOSELY AS L.A. IS…LOL.

    OPINIONS?

  2. MANNY says:

    well the way i c it lakers will can be the first team 2 do a four peat

    • BILL B. says:

      MANNY,

      RED AUERBACH’S 1960s BOSTON CELTICS WON 8 STRAIGHT NBA TITLES BEFORE THE PHILADELPHIA 76ers DETHRONED THEM IN 1967. IF DESTINY HAS IT THAT THE L.A. LAKERS WIN 4 TITLES IN A ROW, THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY AS THE FIRST TEAM TO “4 PEAT”.

      THIS IS AN ERA WHERE IT IS DIFFICULT ENOUGH TO WIN 2 IN A ROW, MUCH LESS 3 OR 4 IN A ROW. ONE DOESN’T HEAR NBA PLAYERS TALKING ABOUT “4 PEATS”. FOR LAKER FANS THEIR CONCERN IS GETTING BY WHAT’S IN FRONT OF THEM AT THE MOMENT BEFORE CONCERNING THEMSELVES WITH NEXT YEAR’S QUEST FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP.

      “THE VALUE OF A KNEE!!!!!!!”

      LAKER FANS BETTER BE PRAYING BYNUM’S KNEE ALLOWS HIM TO EFFECTIVELY BE ON THE COURT AND PRODUCE FOR 30+ MINUTES. WITHOUT BYNUM’S PRESENCE BOSTON OWNS THE PAINT, AS THEY DID IN ’08. PUT BYNUM’S SIZE AND WEIGHT ON THE COURT…… PERKINS AND DAVIS CANNOT IMPACT THE GAME AS THEY CAN AND DO WHEN BYNUM IS NOT IN THE GAME.

      THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE ACCOLADES ABOUT ODOM’S ABILITIES AT HIS SIZE. THE TRUTH IS…. IN MANY CASES A PLAYER EXCELS WHEN LIFE IS MADE EASY WHEN THAT PLAYER IS SURROUNDED BY VERY GOOD PLAYERS… MOST TEAMS ARE NOT DEEP ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GUARD EVERYBODY ON TOP TEAMS. MY POINT IS I’VE NEVER BEEN CONVINCED ODOM IS AS HIGHLY RANKED AS THEY GIVE HIM. DURING AN THE NBA FINALS ALL PLAYERS ARE CALLED TO DUTY TO PERFORM AND IMPACT GAMES BASED ON THEIR ABILITY. ODOM WAS GIVEN A REPRIEVE ON THE ’08 FINALS WHEN IT’S SIMPLY BEEN SAID THAT HE DID NOT HAVE A GOOD SERIES. WELL, AS THE QUALITY OF COMPETITION INCREASES AS TEAMS MOVE DEEPER INTO THE PLAYOFFS….. AND ODOM DOES NOT HAVE THE MOST DIFFICULT OF TASKS….. IS SURROUNDED BY GOOD PLAYERS WHENEVER HE’S ON THE COURT, I HAVE YET TO SEE HIM EXCEL WHEN HE IS TRULY TESTED. LAST NIGHT IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. BIG BABY BEAT HIM UP AND WAS A KEY FACTOR IN BOSTON TURNING THE GAME AROUND. IT WAS TIME FOR ODOM TO STEP UP, IF BYNUM WAS ABLE TO BE IN THE GAME HE WOULD HAVE BEEN….. HE WASN’T ABLE… TIME FOR ODOM TO STEP UP. BIG BABY’S JOB WAS TO USE HIS ASSETS TO IMPACT THE GAME….. WHICH HE DID. L.A.s ONLY ABILITY TO GET DAVIS OUT OF THE GAME AND THUS NEUTRALIZE HIS IMPACT WAS FOR ODOM TO CREATE A MIS-MATCH WITH DAVIS ON HIM….MAKE DAVIS DEFEND HIM ON THE PERIMETER, SINK 3s TO CAUSE A PROBLEM THEN DRIVE AROUND TO THE HOOP WHEN DAVIS WOULD THEN BE FORCED TO PLAY UP ON HIM. IN MY OPINION ODOM DOESN’T HAVE AN OUTSIDE SHOT THAT IS DEPENDABLE, THUS HE CAN’T PULL ANYBODY OUT TO THEN USE HIS ATHLETIC ABILITY AT HIS SIZE TO GO AROUND DEFENDERS WHO ARE BIGGER THAN HE… TO CREATE A MIS-MATCH. IF DAVIS IS TO PUNISH ODOM ON THE INSIDE, ODOM MUST PUNISH HIM ON THE OUTSIDE, DIFFERENCES IN BODY MAKE-UP. SINCE ODOM DOES NOT HAVE A DEPENDABLE OUTSIDE SHOT DAVIS DID NOT HAVE THE REQUIREMENT TO PLAY PERIMETER DEFENSE.. COULD PLAY SEVERAL STEPS BACK WHEN ODOM HAS TEH BALL ON THE PERIMETER, TAKE AWAY THE DRIVE. IF ODOM’S SHOT CAN’T GO IN, HE’S NEUTRALIZED IN L.A.s HALF COURT OFFENSE IN THAT GAME.

      A LOT GOES ON IN A GAME, HOWEVER I THOUGHT THE ODOM/DAVIS MATCHUP LAST NIGHT WAS THE KEY MATCHUP THAT TURNED THE GAME IN BOSTON’S FAVOR.

      ON THE BIGGEST STAGE YOU CAN REACH IN PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL, AND WHEN IT BECOMES THE MOST DIFFICULT TO SUCCEED… THE 2 BEST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE GOING AT IT…. ONE’S SKILLS ARE PUT TO TASK. YOU HAVE THE ’08 SERIES AND THIS SERIES… REGARDING THE TESTS OF AN NBA FINALS IT APPEARS ODOM IS WAY OVER RATED, HAS HAD LITTLE IMPACT IN FORCING BOSTON’S HANDS WHEN HE’S ON THE COURT.

      LAKER FANS…. THEY WORKIN’ ON BYNUM’S KNEE RIGHT NOW!!!!!,,,LOL.

      GAME 5 LOOKS TO BE AN INTERESTING GAME… L.A. IS CHECKING ON BYNUM’S KNEE EVERY HOUR.

      EXCUSE ANY TYPOS… MOVING FAST..

  3. MANNY says:

    with all do respect , kobe is the best player of our generation , he was the secondary option in all 3 series when lakers won 3 titles because none of those teams had dominant centres so shaq could easily dominate so they went 2 shaq for dat reason name me a centre shaq had trouble guarding or scoring against it was an advantage all 3 series , kobe as gasol now wel jordon had pippen , stop arguin the quality of players becuz u still need a great team to win a title , look kobe will not be considered better then jordon unless he wins 7 rings dats when dis argument is open

  4. Meghan says:

    Celtics better bring it for Game 4 or else Pierce’s words might actually come true..they “ain’t going back to LA”. I expect a big game from Kobe tonight…its a bit overdue but it will be there soon. Ideally, I would want this game 4 to go to overtime with LA win at the end.I say Lakers in 5, but I don’t want to disrespect the Celtics. So out of pure respect, Lakers in 6..back in LA.

  5. MAB says:

    I agrree with HJ, they barely won with nothing out of KG and RA and PP….juts think if they all played well..they do play like they are olk. KG plays like a short guy!! instead of going up with two hands he uses one..

    • BILL B. says:

      MAB,

      I’VE ALWAYS BEEN A KG FAN HOWEVER, EXPECTING WHATEVER DEGREE OF WHAT KG CAN NO LONGER DO IS EXPECTING TOO MUCH OUT OF KG…. NOBODY BEATS FATHER TIME AND MILEAGE. I BELIEVE KG HAS BEEN GIVING WHAT HE’S CAPABLE OF GIVING, WHY WOULD HE HOLD BACK, ESPECIALLY IN THE FINALS. AT A CERTAIN POINT IN MICHAEL’S CAREER HE NO LONGER COULD DO WHAT HE ONCE DID, REGARDLESS WHAT HIS MIND SAID HE NEEDED TO DO. IN THE HEAD TO HEAD INFLUENCE ON THE GAMES RIGHT NOW I GIVE THE EDGE, HOWEVER SLIGHT OR NOT SLIGHT TO PAU OVER GARNETT. I CANNOT BLAME KG FOR WHAT HE CANNOT DO AT THIS TIME.

      PAUL PIERCE HAS HIS HANDS FULL. L.A. WINS THAT ONE BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON’T HAVE TO HAVE BIG POINTS OUT OF ARTEST… KEEPING HIM OUT OF MISPLAY ON THE OFFENSIVE END IS THEIR BIGGER WORRY. THE TRUTH IS PIERCE WALKED ONTO THE FINALS COURT IN 2008 KNOWING HE COULD HAVE A FEAST, NO ONE TO TAKE HIM TO TASK WITH ENERGY USE AND SCRAP… LICKED HIS CHOPS WHEN HE SAW ARRIZA (CORRECT SPELLING?) OR IF KOBE HAD TO DEFEND HIM, HE’S BIGGER AND STRONGER. SUCH IS NOT THE CASE WITH ARTEST… PIERCE IS IN A WAR WITH A GUY WHO RELISHES WAR, WHO IS STRONGER THAN HE IS. YOU CAN’T SHUT A GREAT PLAYER DOWN, YOU MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS NOT EASY, MAKE HIM FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING, EARN EVERYTHING, TAKE AWAY AS MUCH COMFORT, RHYTHM AND SPACE AS YOU CAN, AND BEST YOU CAN NOT LET HIM DOMINATE A SERIES WITH A HIGH SHOOTING PERCENTAGE. PIERCE KNEW GOING IN THAT THIS WAS NOT 2008, THUS THE CONTINUED LOWER MUM OF MOUTH THAT WE DIDN’T SEE IN 2008. ARTEST TOLD HIM BY ACTION 27 SECONDS INTO GAME ONE THAT THERE IS A NEW “SHERIFF” IN TOWN AND THAT COMPLETE FREEDOM DAYS ARE OVER. BOSTON NEEDS PIERCE TO DOMINATE,. HE SURELY CAN’T AVERAGE THE SAME REBOUNDING AVERAGE AS IN ’08, ARTEST SEES TO THAT. IF ARTEST MAKES HIM TAKE MORE SHOTS TO GET NEAR THE SAME POINTS….. L.A. WINS THAT BY NOT LETTING PIERCE DOMINATE.

      ALLEN HAS TO COME UP PRETTY BIG IN EVERY GAME, NOT A WHOLE LOTTA PLACES FOR BOSTON TO GO FOR POINTS.

      RONDO IS S LOAD FOR ANYBODY, A STELLAR PLAYER WITH YOUTH AND ENERGY, HE HAS TO PERFORM EVERY GAME.

      I’D BE VERY SURPRISED TO SEE BOSTON WIN THE SERIES, HOWEVER ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

  6. chambers says:

    lol this cracks me up.
    father time?
    the same father time that took out the orlando magic and the cavs this year?

    It’s funny how quickly people forget the celtics were down 2-1 to the cavs a few weeks ago…
    Don’t speak too soon.
    I thought the celtics were completely done but they proved the whole world wrong by beating the 2 best teams in the NBA.
    If they play half as good in the next 4 games as they did vs orlando and cleveland then they are favourites to win.
    If all players on both these teams played their best games, the celtics would win 7 out of 10 times.
    The lakers are riding the kobe wagon. No one will remember any of these laker players in 10 years except kobe coz without him they are nothing.

    • BILL B. says:

      SOME PASSIONATE OPINIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WE SEE ABOUT THE FINALS.

      I WILL SAY THIS TO YOU, CHAMBERS.

      I WOULD NOT CLASSIFY ORLANDO AND CLEVELAND AS THE 2 BEST TEAMS IN THE NBA, THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT CRITERIA WAS USED TO DETERMINE THAT AND BY WHOM….WRITERS? IF ONE WANTS TO QUANTIFY BEST TEAMS IN THE NBA BY REGULAR SEASON RECORD THEY CAN GO AHEAD. FANS OF SUCH DESIGNATED WINNERS OF THAT TITLE SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR DISAPPOINTMENT IN MANY CASES IF AND WHEN THEY GET ELIMINATED IN THE PLAYOFFS.

      AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED THE BEST TEAMS IN EACH CONFERENCE BY YEAR ARE THE ONES PLAYING IN THE NBA FINALS.

      THE PLAYOFFS ARE THE TRUTH SERUM, NOT REGULAR SEASON WINS.

      ALSO, I WOULD NOT COMPARE ORLANDO AND CLEVELAND TO L.A., DIFFERENT ANIMALS.

      I’M NOT ROOTING EITHER ON OVER THE OTHER HOWEVER… BOSTON GOT THE TAIL OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN THEY HAD IN THE CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS.

      I’LL HAVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG… I BELIEVE L.A. OVER BOSTON.

  7. gmt32 says:

    You jordan lovers are stupid how can you even say that the talent he played with was much deeper you kill yourself with your own arguement, you say he played against magic, bird, isiah, charles, or any other great from the 80s well if you all remember correctly jordan didnt win anything in the 80s except those scoring titles and usless individual numbers i don’t see any rings in those years he couldnt win until those players got older or retired. Kobe has just as much competion if not more, Plus jordan never had to play against the defense kobe and other great scorers do today. Kobe has to play against zone d where he can be double or tripled teamed before he ever gets the ball which happens often jordan always had single coverage until he got the ball then they could send the double that easy to see coming and attack, thats why jordan had so many wide open drives to the basket and don’t even try to bring up the pistons because all they did was play physical, they still had to play man defense something kobe never sees, Kobe is by far the better scorer when you really can create a game plan to stop a player buthe still puts up amazing numbers, I could just say 81 and leave it at that but kobe has done so much more, how about when he out scored the dallas mavs by himself through 3 quarter 62 to 61 then never got to play a minute in the fourth quarter another game that he could have easily score in the 70s or 80, or how about 5 games with 50 plus points i no for a fact jordan never did that. Plus we all know kobe deserved those mvps that were given to nash and dirk its funny how the jordan won mvps put up big scoring numbers but not winning anything but when kobe does things that have never been done before thats not enough all the sudden the league and its stupid writers are kobe haters because they know kobe is better than jordan they just dont want to admit it. And Kobe was a huge part of the first three titles and he deserved atleast 2 finals mvps like i said all the dumb writers made kobe look to be just role player and shaq this most dominant player then why couldnt he do with the magic and penny one of the best guards in the game at the time, if you remember kobe was the one getting shaq all those single coverage in the post because he is so dangerous, They dont win any of the three without kobe , He is by far the best player ever.

    • BILL B. says:

      HEY GMT32,

      I’M A KOBE FAN AS WELL, HOWEVER HE IS STILL WRITING HIS NBA HISTORY STORY. I CANNOT PLACE HIM AS THE GREATEST PLAYER EVER AT THIS TIME.

      IN MY BOOK I’LL WAIT ‘TIL THE END OF HIS CAREER TO DETERMINE IF HE JOINS THE 3 I MENTIONED… IN MY BOOK OF COURSE.

      I DO NOT LIKE TO PLACE GREATEST PLAYER VALUES ON NUMBER OF CHAMPIONSHIPS WON. LOOK UP ELGIN BAYLOR’S CAREER, ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS EVER, AND HE NEVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP.. PUT HIM ON ONE OF AUERBACH’S BOSTON TEAMS DURING THE ERA, HE’S GOT RINGS PLAYING HALF A GAME.

      EVEN WITH SPORTS SUCH AS TENNIS, ERAS ARE DIFFERENT, TOUGH TO COMPARE.

      ATHLETE’S LEARN TO PLAY THE WAY A GAME IS PLAYED DURING THEIR ERA, CAN’T PENALIZE A PLAYER OF YESTERYEAR FOR PLAYING THE WAY OF YESTERYEAR AT THAT TIME. ONE IS BORN AN ATHLETE OR NOT.

      CHAMBERLAIN WAS A LEGITIMATE TRACK ATHLETE WHO COULD OUTRUN GUARDS DOWN THE FLOOR IN HIS EARY NBA YEARS. IN H.S.COULD JUMP THROUGH THE ROOF, COULD OUT BENCH PRESS MANY PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS, AND HAD LEGITIMATE 440 TIMES AND HIGH-JUMPING STATS IN HIGH SCHOOL THAT QUALIFIED HIM FOR COLLEGIATE TRACK. IF HE WAS BORN TODAY HE’D TRAIN IN TODAY’S METHODS, AND LEARN TO PLAY TODAY’S GAME.

      HE LOVED BASKETBALL AND THERE WAS MORE MONEY IN IT. HE WAS BORN A LEGITIMATE, QUALITY, HIGH LEVEL ATHLETE.

      WILT CHANGED THE GAME.

  8. BILL B. says:

    I’VE SEEN A LOT OF GREAT PLAYERS PERFORM OVER THE YEARS, FOR ME IT’S HARD TO SINGLE OUT THE SO-CALLED “BEST” PLAYER.. IT’S A TEAM SPORT AND THE EVOLUTION OF THE GAME CHANGES.

    SAW WILT CHAMBERLAIN DOMINATE THE GAME SO MUCH THAT A NUMBER OF RULE CHANGES (LANE WIDTH, OFFENSIVE GOALTENDING SINCE HE USED TO CATCH TEAMATES SHOTS BEFORE THEY ENTERED THE CYLINDER AND GUIDE THEM IN, ETC. ETC.).. NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME WAS AS DOMINATE A PLAYER OF THE GAME DURING THEIR ERA THAN WILT.. CAUSED THE LEAGUE TO ADJUST THE RULES A NUMBER OF TIMES.

    THE LEAGUE ALSO HANDICAPPED JABBAR. HE WAS AN U-PRECEDENTED 3 TIME NYC HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER OF THE YEAR, COLLEGE CHANGED THE RULE OF “NO-DUNKING” PRIOR TO HIS ARRIVAL AT UCLA, FRESHMAN TEAM WAS UNDEFEATED AND BEAT THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP VARSITY TEAM… 3 TIME COLLEGIATE PLAYER OF THE YEAR AND NATIONAL CHAMPION…WAS ADVISED EARLY (IN HIGH SCOOL) TO START DEVELOPING A LOCKED ELBOW HOOK SHOT, WHICH BECAME KNOWN AS THE “SKY-HOOK”)… ENTERS THE NBA WITH A SHOT THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEND, HE’S 7′+ RELEASING A SHOT (SHOOTING OFF A WRIST RELEASE FROM OVER 10 FEET IN THE AIR)… THE MOST IMPOSSIBLE SHOT TO DEFEND EVER IN LEAGUE HISTORY.. CAN’T BLOCK IT… WHAT DOES THE LEAGUE COMPETITION COMMITTEE DO.. ..IMPLEMENT NEW RULES TO STABILIZE KAREEM’S IMPACT….. ALLOWED DEFENDERS PUT ELBOWS IN HIS BACK, LEGAL TO PUSH HIM 18 FEET OUT, SCRATCH HIS EYES TWICE, CLUTCH, GRAB…..ETC.

    WATCH SOME EARLY KAREEM NBA TAPES.

    THE GREATEST “PLAYER” I’VE SEEN THROUGHOUT 50 YEARS… WILT, KAREEM AND MICHAEL, FOR ME ALL 3 OR NONE.

  9. soyo says:

    kobe and derick will not only have 6 rings but more if lakers will stay intact for upcoming 2-3 seasons, the maturity of the team is very significant to their goals…

  10. I hate how this always turns into a Lakers fan gang bang. Where are the Celtics fans!!!!! Celtics in 6

  11. soyo says:

    you are right mario. lakers now are matured comparing to 08 finals, game 2 could have won by lakers, luckily rondo got gud spot on rebounds but the whole game was favoring to lakers…see what will happen on game 4…

  12. popeye says:

    Kobe is not on the same level as MJ yet…he will get there soon! you can’t compare them thru their stats because they were from different eras. the players they went against were different, their teammates were different. the only thing that Kobe doesn’t have yet is the level of leadership MJ had! some of you are saying that the players now are better; the others saying that the players then are better. they can’t be compared because the way the game is played was VERY VERY different. so shut the F**K UP & discuss the BOSTON LA series!!! that’s what this thread is about anyway…RIGHT?!

  13. the black mamba says:

    i was reading that mj had not as much compiticion in his playing time well lets see he had larry bird , charles barkley, and kobe has or had lebron, carmelo anthony, iverson, now durrant, shaq, tracey mgrady, jerry stackhouse, kobe has had alot of compiticoin during his time lots of guard that can score the ball at will so this arguement is up for debate what do yall think?????????????????????????????????????

  14. uddim004 says:

    Kobe is an awsome player. so many of you are haters. Jordon is the greates of all time but the competition wasn’t as fierce as it is now. come on look at lebron. if you think Jordons going to be the best player forever you’re crazy. James is coming. he will be better then jordon. lebron has no rings but he has 2 MVPs and no support. at least jordon had pippen-FOR 6CHAMPIONSHIPS. who has lebron got -an old shaq how does that help. teh NBA players in this era have to work a lot harder. Kobe didn’t win rookie of the year because he came from high school. and he was drafted 13th. Jordon went to college.how was he supposed to win rookie of the year against players who are older and stronger then him. remember the number 1 pick at th at time- if not i’ll remind you-Allen Iverson this is who won rookie of the year. kobe is a legend. if you ask anyone who played as a laker they will tell you that kobe should be in the team. he past jerry west for points scored. Don’t mess with kobe.

  15. Mario says:

    The scary part is that the Lakers should be 3-0 right now, Lakers could have won game 2, they lost it themselves, NOT because boston is a better team…Go Lakers!

    • BILL B. says:

      L.A’S LATE GAME EXECUTION IN GAME 2 WAS REMINISCENT OF MAGIC, KAREEM & ASSOCIATES GIVING AWAY A SERIES TO THE CELTICS IN THE 80S WITH POOR LATE GAME EXECUTION.

      YES, L.A. COULD BE UP 3-0, BUT THE REALITY IS 2-1. L.A. WINS ON OF THE NEXT 2 WILL RESULT INTHE TEAM BEING A VERY STRONG POSITION.

  16. Bon says:

    Can kobe score 50 plus on finals? and win the championship? You guys are insulting MJ ha!!! Please please refresh your memory… dont compare MJ to kobe, kobe is a great player but MJ is Greatar than him ok, dont forget that……… and also please dont compare BULLS to Lakers I will try to refresh your memo ah!!! 72-10? you know that? can lakers do that? can kobe do that with his team and with his leadership? Answer BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. ok.

    • BILL B. says:

      IT’S PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS WALKING ON THE COURT TRYING TO WIN THROUGH THE DOMINANCE IN TEAM IDENTITY EACH TEAM POSSESSES… THAT GOT THEM THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

      ALL THE PLAYERS DO CERTAIN THINGS WELL AND WE SEE THAT, TO WHATEVER EXTENT…….. BELOW, EQUAL OR ABOVE CAPABILITY, BY GAME.

      L.A. OWNS THE PAINT AND CERTAIN FREEDOMS CREATED BY OWNING THE PAINT BOSTON CAN’T GET AROUND THAT FACT.

      ALL GAMES ARE IMPORTANT GAMES, HOWEVER AS MANY COACHES HAVE SAID IN THE PAST GAME FIVE IS A KEY GAME. IF BOSTON WERE TO WIN TONIGHT TO EVEN THE SERIES, GAME 5 IS SUPER CRITICAL TO THEM… WINNING GAME 5 WOULD RESULT IN 2 OPPORTUNITIES TO WIN 1 IN L.A.

      L.A. LOSES TONIGHT AND LOSE GAME 5 AS WELL TO GO DOWN 3-2, WOULD CREATE A SCENARIO OF “NO ROOM FOR A BAD GAME” IN EITHER OF 2 GAMES IN L.A., ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

      IF L.A. LOSES TONIGHT, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF GAME 5 TO BOTH ORGANIZATIONS IS GIGANTIC.

      L.A. COULD ALLEVIATE THE PRESSURE OF GAME 5 BY WINNING TONIGHT, GREATER PRESSURE ON BOSTON, MUST WIN BOTH.

      GAMES ARE PLAYED ON THE COURT, WE’LL SEE.

  17. Bon says:

    MJ is MJ and Kobe is Kobe, Big big big very big difference…

  18. Bunty says:

    Kobe no MJ? Please, man you put Kobe in the days when Jordan was there and he would average 80,Ehlo? Mark Price? John Starks,Hornacek?etc,etc Compare these players to Lebron,wade and Carmello, Also Please do not compare scoring because Kobe runs the offence something Jordan never did, and by the way Kobe had Shaq in his first three titles but nobody close to now, Jordan had Pippen for 6 years,If the Lakers were back in those days they would kill them plus Kobe has four to 5 injuries this year, Mike played with a couple

  19. bml.sg says:

    please don’t insult MJ by comparing to Kobe…a big MISMATCH! you guys should feel how it is to play in a championship game before you blah blah blah..how many end games this playoff did Lakers won because of pau and ron following up all kobe’s stupid shots? HOW MANY? you guys have short memories…..GRRR…

  20. Arwind Santos says:

    @ Grant & LA4life didn’t you know jordan beat Majic Bird,Jonson,Isiah,Dominique etc and he beat them in their prime.. inc his era???and didn’t you know that???and he didn’t have Rodman and Kerr when he achieve his 1st 2nd and 3rd ring..can you compare Gasol to Rodman???can rodman do what gasol does?ken Kerr do what Fisher or Farmar does??the answer is no!!!!Kobe has a lot of talented teammates win Championships

  21. cheqnavarro says:

    LA will win in 5 or 6! Kobe will add another ring to his collection! PERIOD! Why? It will never happen again that the purported BIG THREE of Celtics will explode in any game during this finals series. They are OLDER and SLOWER. They are also doubting their capability to win in this CHAMPIONSHIP series. Did you all see Ray Allen’s facial expression when he kept on missing those 3-point shots in game 3? He himself couldn’t understand why his shots weren’t falling in. That’s what you call…age catching up on you. 0% shooting for the major part of the game! What does that tell you?

    Grammar? Spelling? Who wants to talk about those things in a SPORTS discussion board? You people are funny. When you cannot think of a reasonable repartee, you resort to attacking the flaws of others. Just focus on the Lakers and Celtics. After all, that is why this discussion was started in the first place.

    LA! LA! LA! Kobe! Kobe! Kobe!

  22. Whozdat says:

    This is exactly the problem. If the Celtics can all put together a decent game the Lakers wouldnt be able to play with them. You think Game 2 was won by Ray Allen and Rondo basically. Game 3 Garnett and Glen Davis kept the game close without Ray Allen even scoring 5 points and Paul Pierce was unheard of. If Ray, Paul, and Kevin could put together a mediocre game the Lakers would be in trouble. Every game has been close without the Celtics putting together a decent game.

  23. maldoc says:

    all of you clowns in here are retarded! just sit back and watch the games the way they are, peacefully, will ya?

  24. Juice says:

    OKAY, OKAY everybody, calm down!! To the Laker fans and the Boston fans, this is a SEVEN GAME SERIES!!! It’s been pretty even so far. Kobe Bryant is a great player, dont get me wrong, but I think it would be safe to say he’s getting old too. He’s only been shooting around 40 percent this series. Does that mean that the Lakers are gunna lose? No. I don’t think that its right for Sekou to call the big three old foggies because there have been plenty players who have made an impact in NBA history who played well past the ages of the big three. Sure, Pierce, Garnett and Allen have been inconsistent, but does that mean that Boston’s gunna lose? No. So far this has been a great series and I believe it will continue to be close games with great performances from the many different great players on both teams. I’m not even gunna say who I’m rooting for because I want all of you readers to use some common sense for a change instead of just saying “the Lakers suck” or “Boston sucks.” Both of these teams deserve to be where they are. They made it here for a reason. So to all the fans, on both sides, suck it up and admit it, you really don’t have any idea whos going to win.

  25. Mario says:

    I agree with sekou
    Celtics big 3′s have not been performing consistently in the Finals
    1-2 guys hot, 1-2 guys cold
    they cant make it that way
    they have to work together, put less pressure on Rondo

  26. DerekFisherIsMyHero says:

    Game 4 will be a very very important game. I agree with most others who have posted so far that even if the Big 3 on the Celtics, or Big 4 as a matter of fact, all play well, Yes the Lakers will have a hard time. But what about the Big Players on the Lakers all playing well at the same time? Kobe’s not shooting well, Pau’s playing consistent, same with Bynum, Odom was off game 1/2 and Artest is shooting crappy also. If all these guys play well, I think they will overpower the Big 4 on the Celtics. This isn’t the same team as the 08 Lakers and I feel like this article totally disregards the Strength of the Laker team. Also, like someone said before, the Celtics are old yes but that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing well. Yes they aren’t as good as 08 but they still beat Orlando and Cleveland and that obviously means something.

    As for Kobe vs MJ, the past is the past and today is today. Kobe is the best player right now and MJ is the great player of the 90s. They both will go down as the greatest players of their time.

    • DerekFisherIsMyHero says:

      Also, I forgot to say. GO LAKERS! And Paul Pierce…you really don’t deserve to talk crap, and Yes “You won’t come back to LA” Because we taking all 3 in Boston !!!

  27. Oliver says:

    I´m a Brazilian Celtic´s fan and I have to agree with Sekou Smith, too much is falling on Rondo´s shoulders. In my opinion the Lakers are going to win the finals by 4-2 and, sincerely, I hope I´m wrong but I have to be honest with myself. Kobe is not in his best moment and even so the Lakers are doing well with other players rising in each game, as Fisher and Artest, and not to mention the regular Gasol. The questions are: Who are going to be the next nightly notable? Will he be in which side? Anyway I must say: Go Celtics and show me that I´m completely wrong!!!

  28. Getz says:

    Wow. Kobe having six rings like MJ. They’re the Lord of the Rings!!

  29. effin Boston,pierce aint good..hes not consistent with his game,hence,it was never a doubt that Kobe is the greatest player in the planet….F*ck BOSTON…..LAKERS in 5..,mark my word u crappy Boston fans

    • The Bus Driver says:

      @The Truth

      Poor Celtics homer.

      It’s ‘correct’ grammar, not ‘right’ grammar.

      I wonder who needs to go back to grade 1?

      Please sit because the bus driver has just taken you to school.

  30. LA#1 says:

    boston will fall and fail the next 2 games

    lakers 09-10 champs!!!!!

  31. jairo says:

    go boston! beat lakers

    • laker hater says:

      im with u jairo. and all u guys who think kobe is MJ look at the stats.
      Scoring titles-MJ 10 Kobe 1
      MVPs-MJ 5 and Kobe 1
      Finals MVPs-MJ 6 and Kobe 1
      MJ has more All Star MVPs and apperences. He has been on the All NBA first team more. He has a better scoring average. And he has more rings. Kobe’s first 3 rings were cuz of Shaq. Then the Lakers sucked. Then Pau comes….the Lakers win. MJ can carry a team by himself, Kobe needs someone else.

  32. ClarenceJoseph says:

    Why do they make a big deal of Kobe’s getting his 5th ring closer to MJ’s 6 rings? Kobe and MJ are different persons. Kobe is the greatness in the NBA right now. NO DOUBT!. Better shooter than MJ and probably better closer than MJ. One thing he lacks is the leadership. MJ being a leader is just natural with him. Kobe on the other hand he needs to pull that up. You know what I mean. But Yeah Kobe’s gonna get his 5th this 2010 finals. That’s for sure. He’s not on fire right now but starting game 4 and the rest of the games remaining he’s gonna be on fire. MARK MY WORDS!!!

    • NT says:

      Not such a bettter shooter… Kobe is sitting at 45% Jordan was 49% … stats don’t lie on who makes more shots… he’s better in both regular season and post season…. so kobe doesn’t beat him there either.

  33. jairo says:

    boston will win game 4. go celtics!

  34. Nom Nom says:

    Why do you insist in making comparisons between Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan? Did you ever bother to watch Michael Jordan dominate the league? Kobe Bryant is nowhere near the level of Jordan, and I would highly suggest paying the great one some respect and recognizing the fact.

  35. Yasmir says:

    One of the most important differences this year compared to ’08, in my oppinion, is Pau Gasol. In ’08 his game was sloppy and at times it seemed he didn’t dare compete. He backed down, didn’t play with tenacity. This year however, he’s aggresive, he hustles every rebound and loose ball, he is fired up – and he put points on the scoreboard.

    Stop him and the Lakers will fall.

    I think :)

    • BILL B. says:

      I’VE WATCHED THE GAME A LONG TIME, WAS AT THE 1967 NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS IN PHILLY, PLAYED D-1 BBALL. MY OPINION IS THE GAME STARTS FROM THE INSIDE OUT. FOR THE 2008 SERIES BOSTON KNEW AND SHOWED FROM THE BEGINNING THEIR ABILITY TO PHYSICALLY IMPART THEIR WILL INSIDE THE PAINT ON BOTH ENDS. PAU WASN’T AS STRONG THEN AS HE IS NOW, NO BYNUM AND NO ARTEST….. HUGE FACTORS PRESENT IN 2010… BOSTON, ESPECIALLY PIERCE COULD TALK A LITTLE TRASH BECAUSE HIS BOYS OWNED THE “SQUARE”….COULD AND DID FORCE THINGS OUT TO LOWER PERCENTAGES… AND PROVIDED CERTAIN FREEDOMS THAT GO ALONG WITH PAINT OWNERSHIP.

      KOBE WALKS INTO THIS REMATCH WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT HE HAS THE TOUGH GUYS WITH HIM TO FIGHT THE WAR AND OWN THE “SQUARE”. ARTEST MAY HAVE HIS ISSUES AT TIMES BUT WHEN IT’S TIME TO GO INTO A WAR HE IS A GUY YOU WANT WITH YOU. A GAME FOR HIS OPPONENT IS NOT EASY WHEN YOU GO AGAINST HIM ALL GAME. FINALS PHYSICAL LIFE IN ’08 WAS LOT EASIER FOR PIERCE AND TOUGHER FOR KOBE, IN 2010, THE OPPOSITE. BYNUM IS THE BIGGEST GUY ON THE FLOOR, THE IMPACT OF PERKINS SIZE AND WEIGHT IN ’08 NOW NOT A FACTOR, HE’S NOT FREE THIS TIME AROUND TO THROW HIS SIZE AND WEIGHT AROUND… TABLES TURNED, HE NEEDS HELP!

      IT’S 2010, KG IS NOT THE KG OF SEVERAL YEARS AGO OR THE KG OF ’08, PAU IS YOUNGER, HAS CONTINUED TO MATURE PHYSICALLY, AND CONTINUES TO IMPROVE, HE IS NOT THE SAME PLAYER OF ’08. THAT CHANGE ALONE HAS HELPED L.A.

      RONDO’S YOUTH AND ABILITY HELP BOSTON GREATLY, THE BIG THREE ARE QUALITY, CAGEY VETERANS CAPABLE OF GREAT PLAY. BOSTON IS A TOP, EXCELLENT PASSING TEAM.

      FOR ME IT BOILS DOWN TO WHO “OWNS” THE MIDDLE. BOSTON DID IN ’08, L.A., WITH BYNUM, ARTEST, PAU AND ODOM OWN IT IN 2010, THE “BULLY” BEATING L.A. TOOK IN ’08 IS NOT AND WILL NOT HAPPEN IN 2010… TABLES TURNED.

      L.A.’S OTHER PLAYERS HAVE CERTAIN FREEDOMS CREATED IN 2010 THEY DID NOT HAVE IN ’08.

      BOSTON IS A VERY GOOD TEAM, HANDLED GOOD TEAMS TO GET HERE, HOWEVER COACHES GO INTO WARS WANTING TO OWN THE PAINT AND GO FROM THERE… L.A OWNS THE PAINT IN 2010.

      I BELIEVE THE LAKERS GET THE RINGS IN 2010.

  36. juzray says:

    Boston in 6 look what will happen tomorrow!BEaT up Fakers fans!!!

  37. G-unit says:

    Nevertheless, being a LA-FAN, i must say, LA all the way! :)

  38. Vlad says:

    Celtics are gonna play like theres no tommorow. Good luck lakers

  39. Pete says:

    Boston definately aren’t too old…just like Doc has been saying, every time they lose they are labelled too old, and when they win it’s because they have so much experience.

    Boston successfully knocked off the two best teams in the regular season, and both teams were significantly younger (as a unit) then either Boston or LA. The reason this series is so tough is that in the past two rounds Boston played excellent teams who lack the mental toughness that comes with championship experience. Now they are up against LA, who has that same toughness.

    As far as talent goes both teams are probably about even. Boston are generally better as a team then the Lakers are, but they haven’t really hit their stride yet…they just haven’t been playing Celtics basketball. Their defense has been strong at times, but it’s been inconsistent … on and off. Offensively, they have been playing the Lakers individually rather then beating them as a team. Game 1 Pierce had 26 points or so, game two Ray Allen had 32, game three Garnett had 26 – but they each time it’s been one player (and only one) dominating.

    Boston are at their best when at least 3 of their “big four” have strong games, and at least one of their bench guys has a strong game. When they get 15 – 20 points from three starters AND 15-20 points between their 2-3 key bench players they have been very hard to beat. Up until now this has been very tough for them to achieve because their foul trouble has limited playing time and messed up their rotations – they have had to rely heavilly on 2 or 3 players that aren’t in foul trouble to pull almost all of the load.

    Boston right now just don’t look like they are giving it their best shot. It feels as if they are playing at 80% effort, when they need to be at 100% all the time. The referee’s have been calling the games rediculously tight, but that’s really not an excuse because it’s gone the same way in both directions…Boston need tofind a way to keep out of foul trouble whilst still remaining effective defensively, and it’s something they are normally very good at.

    We’ll see what happenes in game 4.

  40. Popoy says:

    TO JRODRIGUEZ!
    ARE YOU NUTS JRODRIGUEZ? IN JORDAN’S ERA, HE WAS COMPETING WITH THE LIKES OF CHARLES BARKLEY, DOMINIQUE WILKINS, LARRY BIRD AND MAGIC JOHNSON! AND MANY OTHER ALL-TIME GREATS OF NBA BASKETBALL! IT HAS BEEN EQUALLY, IF NOT MORE COMPETITIVE IN JORDAN’S ERA THAN NOW… SO DON’T GIVE THAT LAME EXCUSE TO DEFEND KOBE. HE ISN’T JUST AS GOOD AS MJ… IT’S THAT SIMPLE. AND THAT’S THE BOTTOMLINE!

    • nothing! says:

      check your history 101 before you comment!

    • LA4Life says:

      jordan compete with bird? wilkins?those guys are 80′s and jordan became greate at 90′s. the last time i check he compete with the old magic johnson at 90. do you watch nba geezer?

      • NT says:

        Magic had only played like 10-11 seasons. That’s not old. He didn’t have Kareem. If not for the virus he could’ve still been playing 5-6 more seasons.

      • Popoy says:

        Does a game-winning shot against Larry Bird ring a bell? Dude they’ve been playing that clip a lot of times! He did battle those greats! and many other Hall of Famers! So I will ask the same question to you. Do you watch NBA GEEZER???

  41. Belle23 says:

    Okay, so everyone is talking what ifs. Yes if the Big Three plays great and in unison, of course they will be tough to beatbut the same can be said that if Kobe, Pau and Odom plays great and in unison they will be awfully tough to beat as well. If Fisher did not bail them out last game they probably lose but the fact is he did bail them out. If Ray didn’t go 0 for 13 the Celtics would win. Well he did. Ponder this, What if I said that if Bynum is in full strength that this won’t even be a series. What if I said that if Bynum and Ariza was available in “08 the Lakers are probably looking at a three-peat. So Boston fans, please stop with the what if’s because you guys are starting to sound desperate and it’s embarrasing.

    Now as far as the MJ comparison please do recognize that Kobe is the closest thing to Michael Jordan than anyone in the game’s history because of their similarities. I am a huge fan of both but I think MJ will always be the best not because of the number of rings he won or the stats he produced but more so the legacy the NBA. MJ is a natural leader and Kobe just grown in to it, Kobe is a better shooter but MJ is a better scorer. The juury to me is still out on who’s the better closer. Note that the game and officiating is a lot different now than when MJ was playing, I think with no hand check rule for example will easily make MJ a 40 points a night player easily. I will also say though that players nowadays are more athletic than the MJ era and in todays game you need at least 3 superstar/all star type of players with a good supporting cast to win the title unlike before. In the end no one can top MJ but kobe is the closest right now.

  42. lbj says:

    are you kidding me arwind? or you are just too young to know the teamates of mj like harper,grant,kukoc,kerr,etc.. who are good basketball players during bulls era.

  43. LakersWillWin says:

    Don’t you all think the Lakers defense is contributing to their not so well play? Come on. So what Boston’s old they beat Cleveland and Orlando no problem. Lakers are so much better than they were in 08. I’d love to see 08 Boston Vs Lakers now. That would be awesome.
    But give the Lakers credit on their defense, that’s a huge reason these guys are having bad games. Not just “slumps.” Good shooters don’t have so many “off” nights in the finals when the only thing they do is practice. Defense deserves credit.

  44. macca says:

    I think kobe of all people would want the big three firing so he can prove to himself that he. pau, bynum and d-fish can beat them and get the revenge they want. I think if both teams fire it would be a game for the ages and one that would be incredibly difficult to call. im neither a lakers or celtics fan.
    I think comparing mj and kobe is like comparing woods to niclkaus (obviously before woods’ marital problems) – you simply can’t compare athletes of different eras, all we can do is admire them. Mj and kobe are 2 of the greatest atheletes we will see in sport, not just basketball. Kobe is Kobe and mj is mj and let’s just leave it at that.

  45. armen says:

    with all due respect to the great michael Jordan he couldnt win a ring until scottie pippen and PJ showed up…as far as individual things are concerned…the MVP award has become more of a media thing swooning over one specific player, one could argue that Kobe deserved to win the MVP award when he brought the Lakers back into the playoffs after the horrible season the year before…and as far as scoring titles…Kobe had AI to deal with and now he has LBJ and Carmelo, plus he doesnt need to put the extra effort in scoring so much as long as the lakers win he’s happy… Kobe gets the MJ comparison’s because of his ability to take over a game…the only difference is that Kobe is the better shooter than Michael was and MJ is the more athletic…so kobe doesnt have a Defensive Player of the Year award…YET he has been named to the All defensive FIRST team for several years in a row now, i think ill take the coaches opinion of a player more seriously than the media’s

    in fact going back to the ring issue, every NBA finals winner has had more than one all-star/future hall of famer so to say Kobe needed Shaq is the same thing as saying Shaq needed Kobe, or MJ needed Pippen, Duncan and Robinson, the showtime lakers had a bunch of em, basically you cannot win a championship without some form of help

    • Juice says:

      with all due respect to the great Kobe Bryant, but he didn’t win a ring until he had Shaq. And when Shaq left he didn’t get a ring until he had the help of Pau Gasol, and even then they couldn’t bet the 08 Celtics. Kobe is NOT better than Michael Jordan was. Just deal with it.

      • Juice says:

        One more thing. Look at the bigs that Michael Jordan had. Now compare thos bigs to Shaq and Pau. Give me a f**king break.

    • NT says:

      check your FG% stats buddy… Jordan at 49% Kobe at 45%… Field Goal percentage don’t lie on who makes more shots. Jordan is better in both regular season and post season…

  46. Ray Leighton says:

    Jrod — First, I think it is always hard to compare players from different eras. But…. MJ didn’t have Shaq and he didn’t have Gasol. He never played on a team with a dominant post-player to take off the pressure. And this past decade has definitely had far fewer really great post players than the 90s did — Akeem, Ewing, Robinson etc., so not having that type of player also put the Bulls at a disadantage defensively but they won despite the lack of a quality big.

    Second, do you really think that the players of this decade playing against Kobe were really better than those MJ played against in the 90s? Aside from the centers I mentioned above, Charles Barkley, KJ, Tim Hardaway, Karl Malone, Stockton? Dennis Rodman on defense? I think that the competition was pretty similar between the two decades. I don’t mean to give you a hard time here, but were you an adult in the 1990s? It’s really easy to think that the latest greatest player is better, especially because the media makes such a big deal of it.

    Actually, I know I will take a lot of grief for this, but I don’t even think that MJ was the best player to play the game. I am definitely not a Lakers’ fan, but given a choice between Magic and MJ in their respective primes, I take Magic. Magic truly made his teammates better in a way that no other player, except possibly Bird, has ever done. The 87 Lakers probably would destroy the current version of the Lakers in a 7-game series.

    And if there are some even older NBA fans out there, I would probably defer to someone telling me that Russell or Chamberlain was the best ever; I didn’t get to watch those guys at an age where I understood what I was seeing. Hard to argue with more rings than fingers though…..

  47. MAGIC66 says:

    KOBE IS AN OUTCLASS PLAYER….BUT MICHAEL JORDAN WAS AN AVATAR…. NOBODY LIKE HIM BEFORE AND EVER AFTER…..DIVINE JORDAN

  48. Lawrence says:

    Oh c’mon, again the Bryant-Jordan or Jordan-Bryant comparison? Let Kobe be Kobe Bryant and let the greatness of Michael Jordan be something we all still look back in awe. The two cannot be compared since they played in a different set of NBA rules and in a different era. Michael definetely taught Kobe a great deal in terms of how to play the game and the way Kobe would approach the game of basketball. Vice versa, because of all the things Kobe is able to pick up from the great players before him and all the experience he has had over the years along with his skills, it is reasonable to say he is a more skillful basketball player. But can the both really be compared? NO. It can’t be fair to compare them either. Sure Michael has an amazing and jaw-dropping career stats but 1) Kobe isn’t finished with his career yet so we never know what he can achieve, 2) there are some things that Kobe has achieved which Michael didn’t achieve either, 3) its now a different time with a different set of rules in the NBA. They are two great players who dominated their opponents in their own ways and though they share many many similarities, it is time to let the memories of MJ stay in the 1990′s and just enjoy the new kind of greatness Kobe is bringing forth to the game of basketball. If the Celtics’ BIG THREE or FOUR is able to rise together, they will be extremely hard to beat but don’t forget that the Lakers can also bring forth an incredible amount of fire power behind Bryant, Fisher, Gasol, Bynum, Odom and Artest. Don’t forget how efficient they were in games 1 and 2 against the Phoenix Suns. But when it is all said and done, all those rounds before and games before were in the past. Both teams got to focus on game 4 and the better team will prevail. So let’s hope for one exciting and amazing game!!

  49. MAGIC66 says:

    I belive the series will go to seven this year. Boston is no more the 2008 team, Lakers are surely better than they were in 2008 finals, they got artest playing very good difence on pierce, and bynum is making some differece on the ground. Boston doesn’t play with the same intensity they played in 2008, Garnett is no more garnett, and pierce looks too slow

  50. Arwind Santos says:

    i totally agree with Thomas, you can’t compare Kobe to MJ because of the achievements and consistency MJ is more consistent than Kobe and addition to that Kobe needs allot of talented players to get a ring when he win those championship rings he got the most dominant and the hottest center in the league then came Pau Gasol,Odom,Ariza,Bynum,Farmar etc.Kobe always have the talented teammates than MJ who only got Pippen and bunch of shooters who got free shot’s because of jordans play making.Consistency, Leadership and the achievements where the difference between them not the Championships Kobe has a lot of helps to win his championships

    • LA4Life says:

      how about rodman? do you think if therse no steve kerr they’ll win? omg stop acting your in the middle when the truth is your bias, get a life

  51. RAYTHASHOOTER says:

    THE CELTS HAVE TO WIN THE LAST TWO AT HOME. BECAUSE THE FACT IS .. THIS YEAR, BOSTON STRUGGLES AT HOME BUT THEY ARE CLEARLY A BETTER ROAD TEAM.THIS NBA FINALS ARE SURELY THE LAST CHANCE OF THE BIG 3 TO GET ANOTHER RING. ITS HURTS BUT THE TRUTH IS K.G STILLS A GOOD PLAYER BUT A THIS STAGE OF NBA PLAYOFFS AGAINST PAU GASOL, THE BEST BIG MAN IN NBA, WE CAN SEE NOW, K.G IS NOT DOMINANT ANYMORE…IN SHORT WORDS GARNETT IS DONE…..ALMOST SAME THING FOR CAPTAIN PAUL PIERCE… AND RAY ALLEN, HE IS NOT REGULAR AT SHOOTING LIKE IN THE PAST. IN HIS PRIME , THIS GUY WAS A MONSTER OF REGULARITY AT SHOOTING PARTICULARLY BEHIND THE ARC. HE IS SURELY THE BEST PURE SHOOTER TO EVER LIVE.. THE KEY OF THIS SERIES IS RAJON RONDO. WHEN HE PLAYS AT A HIGH LEVEL, THE CELTICS ARE MUCH BETTER. AS CELTICS FAN, I STILL BELIEVE .. THE FINALS ARE NOT OVER. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. GUYS LIKE PAUL PIERCE, KEVIN GARNETT, RAY ALLEN, ALL ARE FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS , THEY CERTANLY KNOW 2010 NBA FINALS ARE SURELY THEIR LAST SHOT… GO CELTICS

  52. THE CLAN says:

    HEY THOMAS!! HAHA.. JORDAN CAN SCORE ONLY 30 TO 60 PTS.. WHILE KOBE CAN SCORE 30 TO 81 PTS.. HAHA…
    LAKERS IN 6!! :)
    KOBE FINALS MVP.. :) :) :)

  53. jfk63 says:

    Hey I agree with you. It seems the laker defense has Ray Allen covered with the “adjustments” made after game 2 not letting him get free, then Paul Pierce in foul trouble early and unable to attack for fear of another foul and only KG coming up big in game 3. Rondo runs the club and he’s been consistent though. The refereeing in all of these games has been tough on both sides with a lot of no calls called early, and then calls not being made late in games when fouls have been made as seen when they looked at the out of bounds calls late in game 3. Are these refs finals hardened or are they new? It seems to me they should let the players play and then late in games when clear calls are there to be made call them.

  54. sting says:

    Sekou, you make it sound like it’s old age that’s been hampering these Celtics. The great MJ won the second of his three-peat when he was age 33 to 36. It’s the Lakers defense that’s been causing much of this offensive problems for the Celtics, their length and their hunger. This is not the same Lakers from two years ago, they’re a much better defensive team and this year they are pretty sure they can beat this Celtics team this time around unlike the previous title series. So don’t blame it on old age, let’s give credit to where credit is due, a more driven Kobe Bryant and a more confident supporting cast.

  55. jrodriguez says:

    Guys, lets face it – Lakers will win the series again…
    As for the MJ and Kobe comparisons, we must look at what type of players Jordan was competing with in his era.
    Not to say that they werent good players, but now kobe must compete against the likes of James, Rondo, Wade, Anthony and many more greats…. ofcourse he wont win MVP every year if he comes up against these. Place Kobe back into MJ;s Era and any bet he would give Mj a good Run, id be wiliing to bet Jordan wouldnt have 5 MVPs anymore! he would have to share a couple with Kobe
    King Kobe all the way!
    by the way i still love Michael Jordan!

    • Excuse Me! says:

      jrodriguez, do you even know who MJ had to compete with? You’re mentioning Rondo, as all-time great competition? Already??? Ridiculous!!!

  56. Ray Leighton says:

    I agree with Thomas — I really am tired of the media making this Kobe vs. MJ comparison. Kobe is a great player, but it is ridiculous for the media or anyone else to suggest that he is as good as MJ, or for that matter, Bird, Magic, Chamberlain, Russell etc. etc. When MJ won his six titles, he was always the best player on his team. Kobe has one ring from a year when he was the best Laker. Not to mention that MJ might have had two more titles if he hadn’t “retired” for two seasons. I’ve been watching basketball for 40 years, and I honestly think that Kobe shouldn’t even be on a five-man All-Time All-Laker team, let alone mentioned as a rival to MJ.

  57. jumpman says:

    yup. not even close to mj. to add to thomas’ point, bryant was never rookie of the year and he’ll never get one. so much for chasing a legacy. he just better be himself and stop trying to be someone he’ll never be.

    • LA4Life says:

      hes not trying to be mj.. hes trying to be better thats why he’ll get 3-5 more rings

  58. Ryan says:

    Well sekou, you have a point to a degree. Age does seem to catch them in the long run more than the Lakers, so the longer these series gets stretched out, the harder the Celtics have to play. Fatigue will be a factor is game 6 and 7 if there is one. Now, KG, still has it in him to drop a 25-30 point game, but by doing that, just loses most of his composure and effort in the following game. Allen is becoming a more streeaky shooter, when he’s hot he’s hot, but when he’s off he gets almost nothing. Pierce, is getting slower, so his scoring is gonna take more work. Still got every move and ability now, but just lost that extra step since 2008.
    Kobe usually starts off a series shooting poorly like last years finals he will get it going either in game 4 or 5.
    I say Lakers in 6.

  59. Well, no matter how you look at it, if the celtics are old or they are not bringing it…. don’t forget, they BEAT the crap out of CAV and MAGIC… the top 2 teams with the best season record…

    I believe lakers and celtics are the most veteran teams in terms of mindset and experience. Now… it really boils down to who wanted the championship more.

  60. Ray Leighton says:

    I agree with Vijay — although the comment should have been directed to Shaun — Shaun nothing personal, you seem like a nice guy, but everytime I read your column, I am struck by how often you get the actual facts wrong. We need the media to be on top of things, not to just restate the latest opinion of the mob.

    If you look at the Celtics run in 08 during the playoffs, Ray Allen was in a terrible shooting slump for every round except the Finals. Paul Pierce was incredibly erratic, scoring 30 one game and 4 the next. Kevin Garnett was extremely consistent, close to 20 and 10 every game and he kept the Celtics in each series. But during the Finals, it was all reversed — Pierce and Allen were on fire, and KG was average on offense until the last game. In fact, that last game was the only game I can think of in the playoffs where all three had a great offensive game. So yes, if they all played that well, it would be very difficult for the Lakers to match up, but the three-in-unison on offense has never been a common occurrence. The KG-era Celtics have always been like this, never relying on the same person for offense, but winning or losing largely based on a combined defensive effort. And defensively, the big-three have still been very good, although not at the level of 08.

  61. Thomas says:

    Sekou,

    Great post. I was just saying the same thing to one of my frineds – if all of Boston’s guys can start playing well in the same game, they could win 3 more…just like they did against Cleveland after being down 2-1.

    One small request: could all of you guys at NBA.com stop making the MJ comparison – there’s just no validity to it. I mean, if the Lakers win, Kobe will be one ring closer to Rober Horry too. But nobody makes that comparison because Horry’s individual accomplishments are not even close to Kobe’s. Just like Kobe’s individual accomplishments are not even close to Jordan’s.

    Jordan: 5 MVPs, 6 Finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, Playoff scoring avg: 33.4 ppg, 1 Defensive Player of the Year
    Bryant: 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 2 scoring titles, Playoff scoring avg: 25.4 ppg

    • PAUL JNDZ says:

      I AGREE…

    • LA4Life says:

      man u shouldn’t compare like that cause they dont play in the same era. did mj compete with the likes of lebron in an mvp race? stop comparing it makes me puke

      • ludwigdragon says:

        of course he played against greats like Lebron, just to name a few: Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon, Karl Malone, John stockton, Reggie Miller…the list goes on and on, and what’s also is this: many of these greats NEVER got any championship ring because of MJ dominating their teams in the playoffs

      • Chilax says:

        after reading all the arguments and comparisons between MJ and Kobe, you look stupid in your comments so you should be the one shutting up LA4Life.

    • Johnny Perez says:

      You Are A Fool Broo , There Was NOBODY Like Lebron James To COmpete With Mj Soo.. Shut That Shid Up BOy .

      • MJ says:

        Lebron?? He has only won 2 mvp, he is been in the league 7 yrs, Kobe has been in the league for 14 yrs so its seems that he hasnt been up against lebron that much in my opinion. STop using the lebron argument it is weak, kobe been in the league longer than lebron and didnt win and mvp then, and in addition he also won 4 rings and only 1 nba finals mvp and HE WASNT UP AGAINST LEBRON!

  62. Kel says:

    This exactly what happened after game 3 of the Cleveland series…

  63. DarkKaiser says:

    one ring closer to MJ? is that suppose to really mean something. last time i checked thee were other players who had more rings than MJ and they still cant come close to his greatness not to say the other guys werent great players. Kobe is a great player but he doesnt come close to jordan, MJ has been a dominant since he came into the league and has more accomplishment milestones records stats and awards and kobe isnt anywhere near them. and ppl who say kobe is a better scorer than MJ obviously dont knw anything they need to go look at MJ’s stats records scoring titles (10 to kobe’s 1). jus go look at all MJ’s stats across the board

    • Grant says:

      MJ didnt have the same competition kobe has for the scoring title. the only real competition jordan had (in my humble opinion of course) was karl malone. Sorry my friend, but jordan was not the best. stats really dont tell you who is a better BASKETBALL player. one on one is dif from team ball. i say magic johnson for best all time. the man could make kurt rambis have a 30 plus point game. not an easy task!

      • Ronnell Thompson says:

        Same competition… Let’s just name the all- stars that Jordan played against… Magic, Bird, Malone, Barkley, Ewing (and the whole Knicks squad), Reggie Miller, Drexler, Thomas (and the bad boys)… Hakeem Olajuwon…Penny and Shaq… young Grant Hill… Kobe is a great player but name the all stars he is playing against… Danny Granger? Brandon Roy? Joe Johnson… come on man… you tellin me that the number of competition that Kobe is playing against can compare to the competition that was being played in the 80′s-90′s? Think of it this way… Grant Hill, and Shaq are all starters on playoff and could’ve been Finals talented teams at 36 and 37 years old. A young Shaq and Grant Hill would have taken both those teams to the finals over who they are playing right now. What do you think MJ or any of the 90′s players would do. Not to mention an aging Boston (not givning them an excuse). The entire NBA is going down hill as far as I’m concerned. Just cause a guy has a couple great seasons and resembles MJ we put him in the same category. Tim Duncan has been the most consistent best player since he stepped on the court. Shaq was best and dominant from late 90′s through early 2000′s but no one puts them in the Jordan category. Why? Cause Kobe looks just like MJ when he plays. Scottie Pippen has 6 rings like Jordan and no one says he’s just as great. Robert Horry has the same amount as well… why are we counting rings when Bill Russell has 11. I guess he’s the best there will ever be… No win conversation.

      • JIB says:

        Mj didn’t have a CENTER who would clean up his mess, drop pass to when someone was about to block his shot… in short he doesn’t have a Shaq or Pau type of a center. Yet still he carried the bulls through 2-3 feats… yeah there was Scottie, and after Jordan left… there WAS Scottie. Kobe Can’t win without a good Center, Lakers still do WIN without Kobe… Can Bulls win without Jordan? quick note… remember Kwame?

      • MJ says:

        What happened the first three championship rings Kobe got, all thanks to shaq, who i believe was the Finals MVP all three year, shaq leaves and Kobe couldnt get into the playoffs, finally they get Gasol and know the lakers are great again. Plus u see Kobe chucking 30 + FG attempts just to get 20 pts, u know there are other players on the team. Kobe is great but in his own category ppl have got to stop comparing, the NBA greats will be always the players from the 80-90, and as mention before stat wise MJ will always be the best, just look at his final games 40 yrs and he still could put 30+ pts.

    • LA4Life says:

      theres no wade lebron and durant in that era so shut up kid!

      • Chilax says:

        DarkKaiser, Ronnel Thompson, JIB, and MJ all made valid arguments. Grant and LA4Life, you both looked stupid in your commetns.

  64. Peter says:

    I agree completely, the Celtics need all three to step up and this would not even be a series. However, I disagree that they are too old to step up together. I think that in game 4, you will see Pierce, Garnett, and Allen have good games. They do not need to have great games to win, good will suffice.

  65. RYAN POGS says:

    old 3???hahahahaha!!!im sure the celtic fans love this!!!LAKERS IN 6

    • hj says:

      I don’t think so!!!! even though celtics didn’t play well in gaME 3 (allen was 0 out of 13) but still LAKERS coudn’t over run the team. They’re just lucky that D. Fish hits his acrobatic shots..hehehe!!!! take note (if pierce find his rythym, lakers will have their second nightmare) aawwwooooooohhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! celtics in 7!!

  66. Arwind Santos says:

    well Bynum, Gasol ang Kobe always plays great even though they are not scoring so much but they contribute in other ways to help them win the game.i think the Lakers are playing much more as a team than the Celtic’s that’s why they are now a head one game.when each of the other team where playing finding the open man win’s the game.i think the celtic’s where relying too much on who where their hot men in the game.they are not playing as a team right now just like when they beat the Heat,Cav’s & the Magic.so this game i think was not on the hands of when their big 3 of the Celtic’s or when kobe,gasol,bynum and artest of the lakers where playing good i though it was the one who play’s as team win’s in this series.

  67. Rexie says:

    LET’S KEEP THIS ON GOING! EVERYBODY SHOULD USE THEIR FULL ENERGY,,, TO GIVE A BETTER SHOW!
    LET’S BRING IT ON! NBA RULES…

  68. blackthorn says:

    im a laker fan… but yeah i agree to this. if three of them will dominate the floor… i think the lakers will be having a hard time to stop the big three plus 1 (rondo). but as of now lakers still have the edge… good luck lakers game 4 is coming…

  69. elftron123 says:

    LAKERS WE THE BEST!!

  70. ivan says:

    C’mon, Time can’t be altered. let’s face it Ray Allen is being inconsistent and KG has just had a great game after two major slumps, Peirce on the other hand has been somewhat out of the picture. Kobe isn’t gonna let the Celtics waltz in and take the Crown?! Compared to the 08 finals he has a stellar crew with Gasol having career numbers, Bynum having a dominant impact inside and D. Fish playing like the Fisher of old again aka cash money. The Celtics even if they have the BIG THREE upa and running again, it’s gonna be one hell of a fight if the Lakers come out prepared. Let’s just see what happens in game 4

  71. the griddler says:

    Hey man, why you gotta do that? Kobe is one ring closer to mj? DID YOU SEE THE EXPRESSION ON THAT MAN’S FACE during his invterview after game 3? Hype itself has started the process of what is inevitably going to be Lebron’s downfall, after so much media talk and still no ring. Don’t put that on Kobe, let him do his thing and after he gets # 6 then we can talk. Jordan didn’t have to deal with that.

  72. don says:

    the best thing fans would wanna see is all 3 players of boston playing gud n all the key players o lakers playing gud
    lamar, artest, kobe fish, pau, bynum
    lakers r far better team they r juust dealing with injuries
    buh not to make this an excuse
    m not saying this becoz ma laker fan
    n m not a boston hater

    • Josh Herrington says:

      How are you a Laker fan and NOT a Boston hater?

      • Chocoa says:

        @Josh, the answer is already included at the original comment! Re-read it, and understand it!

      • Federico says:

        I’m the opposite, I’m aCs fan and not a LA hater, maybe ’cause in italy the rivalry is not so important

    • The Truth says:

      I suggest you go back to grade 1 and study right words and grammar.

      I bet you can’t spell “championship” for the Lakers… so I’ll do it for ‘ya.

      BOSTON CELTICS 2010 NBA CHAMPIONS.

      • Jordo says:

        Wow this is not the first time i hav seen a boston celtics fan base their argument on grammer. And you still managed to spell championship wrong. Its starts with L and ends with OSANGELES LAKERS. You can cry what you will, but face it, Kobe gonna get his 6th ring. Oh and i know he’s only got 4 rings at the moment, catch my so catch my drift?

      • Robbie says:

        Um. Jordo. He didn’t “Spell championship wrong” he was quoting you. And the word grammar doesn’t and with an “er”. Seriously, I think you should have an adult read your comments before you post them. Shame on our education system.

      • alexzo says:

        cheap talk about grammar…I know boston is synonymous to geeks & LA is to beauty…So what? Let’s just play the game! Rondo is a whiz kid & Tony Allen wants to be a teacher…But Ronron is a beast & he will kick the crap out of them… In this case, i go with brawn…Lakers Rule!

  73. vijay says:

    Let’s not forget Sekou that is ’08, Ray Allen was a no show throughout the earlier rounds offensively. So two out of three or one out of three Cs performing in a game is nothing alarming. Yes if all three Celtics perform in the same game it would be challenging for the Lakers but lets not forget there is another team over there that’s not limp or disabled. If Gasol, Kobe, Bynum and Artest perform in the same game, I’ll hazard a guess to say that the Celtics would have their hands full as well. Come on guys let’s try to keep it even keel.

    Yes the Celtics are old but they are still good, and with age comes grit and savy. So I don’t write them off not in the least. Old or not we still have two more games to win.

    • Sandeep says:

      well said vijay..sometimes i feel sekou is kinda harsh towards the lakers and kobe..cmon, if bynum(uninjured), kobe(uninjured), gasol(more involved in the ball game), and artest(being the defensive great he is), this laker team wont be that same 08 team too..this is how the game is..players either perform or dont..what matters is, which team wins..it’ll all be said and done soon, and thats all history’s gonna remember..not all this whack talk..

      • Mallik says:

        Yes, “whack talk” doesnt matter. Celtics have the edge though. I still believe that if all the players play to their potential on both the sides, Cs have the edge. lakers can match the celtics big three, but they dont have a mercuruial player like Rondo. Old is nothing. They have it in them. All that talk to revenge of ’08 doesnt mean anything. ONE GAME AT A TIIME BABY. GO Cs!

      • alexzo says:

        hey malik, did u see game 3? where was rondo? i guess you’re right…old is nothing…Fish can tell u all about it! Also, if rondo is mercurial, then what does that make Kobe?Your big 3 is no where near how accomplished a player the mamba is…Kobe has has 4 championships against the 3 those proud old timers of yours collectively has…add Fish to the mix, then u do the math… just a point to ponder…